Oracle has been heavily marketing Linux as a way for its customers to reduce costs, and the strategy appeared to pay off: Much of Oracle's 15 percent growth came from sales of its database on Linux, Gartner said. The Linux database segment remains relatively small overall, accounting for just $654.8 million of new license sales, but it more than doubled from 2003.
Oracle on Linux doubled, Microsoft sees that. If the trend continues look for Microsoft to run thier products on cheap linux clusters.
Bill and Ballmer won't put up with Larry owning a market segment of anything. Even if it means porting to Linux.
So why is everyone so upset ? The stupid people who counterfit money will give away the printer model they used, not a big deal.
The Federalists maybe: The Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison didn't want the British government to know who was writing them.
I can see where I might want to remain anonymous in a letter to my congress critter accusing him of being brain dead. I'm not advocating anonymous threats, just private dissent.
If I sat you in front of my system at home and played a record, and CD of the same recording, you'd think the record was the CD.
I agree and I do this too. Led Zeppelin IV.
but don't discount a technology because you don't understand it.
They don't understand it because when is the last time you heard any good instrumental music released. M&M/J-Lo etc. sound like crap in digital or analog:)
Actually, only 4 of the root servers are in the US. The fifth North American server is in Quebec. I stand corrected. I should have said North American.
Yet another opinion on why Linux sucks, Windows is better. Yada, Yada, Yada
IMHO Linux doesn't suck. CUPS installation does suck. I can't buy a cheap laptop without Windows. Six years and he can't install synaptic for linux program installs? There is no unified API, get over it (Target xlib). There was no migration issues when my wife decided to go with Linux/KDE vs the Mac. The outlook emails she wanted to keep she just emailed the back to herself (now stored in mozilla format).
Asa Dotzler is the QA guy for Mozilla. My QA person bitches at me constantly about the differences between the Win32 and AIX/SCO/NCR/Linux binaries. Differences between OS level and GUI, shit happens.
I'm no C++ guru (I know enough to make mistakes), but I do know that the language gives as much or as little control as the programmer desires. Just like C and assembler.
After reading the posts in this thread, I can only derive that the most of the Python/Java/Perl/C#/PHP/Ruby crowd have no idea how thier interpreter of choice is built. All are built using C/C++ or a combination of both.
It's really disturbing that most of these programmers have no idea on how thier interpreter of choice interacts with the processor or the OS its running on.
It's downright stupid that most of the interpretive programmers blame the security issues on C/C++ and not the program vendor for shoddy code.
Outside of Tampa here. Florida native. I've lived through seven or eight of these wonders of nature (never been through higher than a cat 3).
When I was a kid, these storms never bothered me. Now that I have my own home with wife and kids they make me anxious.
Since I bought my house, we have allways had a re-inforced hurricane cabnet. Its stocked with canned food and water for five for two weeks. Its also stocked with batteries/fist-aid/and candles. Needless to say, we used it last year twice for Frances and Jeanne.
This winter, thanks to GWB and his tax break, I just put hurricane code windows into my home (140+ winds). Next year I intend to re-inforce the roof.
Sorry, I didn't want to lecture, Just be prepared. We live in the South. We had a lot more Hurricanes hit the southeast in the 70-80's than now (just not as strong). The 90's made us complacent.
Get a strong box. Put in Insurance/important papers along with CD/DVD backups of emails/code/pictures in it.
Maybe I can open up a port on my Lan for you send backups to if you need it (just encrypt it first). You do the same for me if I need it.
Keep your head down and take care. Having been through a 5.5 earthquake, to me a Hurricane is a piece of cake. You can see it coming.
When it was hooked up to the splitter in front of my house, the installer said each service would be separate. Four fiber lines = Phone, internet, cable with one for future use.
Of course the more services you buy, the cheaper it gets.
Enjoy,
Re:ICMP flaw #1 on Linux: it's in the kernel
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No knowledge required to be a slashdot moderator. Good post.
Linux uses apps which mostly have three tiers: storage, engine and UI. They've got lots of IPC, mostly standardized. The desktops have more IPC options, too. I want a desktop which lets me find multimedia documents by bookmark, metadata searching, or virtual hierarchical views of my storage. When I open a doc, it can include live data, including data updated in realtime from distributed storage (or generation, like web services or streams). I want to work from menus (or other GUIs) that contain all the valid operations for all the valid datatypes in the doc. When I want to add new datatypes, I want to add from GUIs integrated with the doc scope in which I'm working. When I want to store my doc somewhere on the network, either as a resource, or a person, I want to merely send it to that object name, with its default transport (SMB, NFS, email, WebDAV, FTP, HTTP-PUT, SMS/Content-Disposition, whatever) automatic, unless I select another. I want to subscribe to versions of multimedia docs across the network. And I want to diagram how data flows through my document components into each other, including filters and logic, with dataflow/workflow templates that are just other docs that people with whom I work send around.
Sounds like WorkPlace Shell + SOM from OS/2. You could create Shadow folders, add/create/register your own workplace objects etc.
Neat shit. I just wish IBM would release OSS/GPL versions of these.
It's amazing how news articles seem to get the most basic of details wrong.
No, it's amazing that so many windows users don't know the history of Microsoft.
Government interest in Microsoft's affairs had begun in 1991 with an inquiry by the Federal Trade Commission over whether Microsoft was abusing its monopoly on the PC operating system market.
But with the new ATI linux drivers, and the price/performance of the x800 series radeons, I have begun to think about selling my 6600GT and moving up further.
I don't think the new drivers are all that great. ATI Radeon 9600 here and a few games (OpenGL+fglrx) randomly exit during play leaving a 300x200 window on my desktop. Mouse locked up at this point.
I'm still switching back to Nvidia once I have the extra cash.
I played the crap out of that game back in '86 on my IIc. Excellent game. Good of you to keep it alive too.
I am now contemplating getting rid of the Apple II gear--but part of me just doesn't want to let it go just yet...bruce..
Don't do that. My eleven year old is having a blast programming our IIe and IIgs. The apple emulators leave much to be desired when it comes to teaching the fundamentals of computers to kids. There is something insanely fun about using PEEK, POKE, and CALL -151:)
This had more to do with PC price cutting than Evil Microsoft. In fact, one of the most popular bundleware product was MS Encarta, so the discontinuation of this practice hurt them too.
Considering Encarta wasn't even around at the time, how can you make this statement? Microsoft Works was. Excell, Word, and PowerPoint all came on separate disks (I still have them).
I have Bundleware from PFS WindowsWorks, Norton, Comptons, Compuserve, AOL, Lotus etc. How was having a choice a bad thing?
I think a better solution exists. In the 80s/Mid-90's you bought the Computer and it came with an O/S. It also came bundled with a seperate disk(s) and/or CDRom that contained other goodies such as freeware applications, games, office bundles etc. (Apple even did this).
This practice stopped once Microsoft subverted the PC Producers into offering Microsoft only solutions. By manipulating the Windows pricing model, they could get the computer makers to agree to anything.
I think we need to return to the previous model were the PC only comes with an O/S and utilities. Everything else should be packaged on a second CD/DVD. Microsoft should have to use the second CD for MSN/IE/WMP etc. Real/Netscape/OSS/VendorX could also offer products for the consumer to choose from. The PC Maker would have the deciding choice on what to offer on the goodies CD therefore differentiating their product from the competition. For instance, Real could offer a six month trial of NFL broadcasts or MSN could offer a free subscription to Encarta for a year.
A win-win situation for everyone. MS gets to ship its versions of PC-Addons along with every other vendor.
So now that the difference between Apple computers and mainstream PCs will boil down to a BIOS of some kind, what exactly is preventing every PC maker in the world from doing a bit of trivial, legal reverse engineering and creating Apple hardware clones that run Apple's operating systems?
Two words: Franklin and Laser.
They tried this will the Apple ][ and got sued into oblivion.
The Apple ROMs will no doubt have something unique and copyrightable within them. Without this thingy. the software won't run.
However at that point, I hope to change to Linux. There has to be a lot of people on Slashdot who have done this. Are there any suggestions of what to avoid? It has been my hope that Linux gets easier to install and operate ever few years.
Try SuSE. I've been using it since 6.4 and it's never given me any installation problems. Hardware detection with YaST has always been better than RedHat IMHO. Once you get the Linux basics down, its easy to migrate to Debian, Gentoo or any other distribution.
You can download the free SuSE version (CD or DVD) or go out and spend US $70~ for it and get 30 day email support.
I would advise partitioning your hard disk and leaving the Windows partition alone. Install Linux into the second and you can dual boot.
The only problem with Linux at this point (software wise) that I see converts having issues with is the lack of Quicken (I don't use it). All my Windows games (I haven't bought any in a while), run fine under Wine. Most of my DOS games run under DosBox.
If you have any problems or questions, go ask over at justlinux.com. You won't get any RTFM responses.
Who are you and what colledge do you teach at? Or are you from IBM? Basically the SPEs are stripped down CPUs like a PPC. Code has to be loaded into it, and then it streams in data from its bus, works on the data, and then the results stream out to the bus.
I got most of this from the POWER5 tutorial over at developerworks from IBM.
When you look at the assembly differences, the OOP code has way more overhead to do the same thing. Plus, simple things like data alignment in arrays versus structures (classes) can make a big difference too.
These are all processor/language specific issues. I learned a long time ago how to isolate related code (sets) into separate object modules. Most of which don't scale beyond 16000 threads/processes.
Nobody talks about this anymore, but is computer programming an art form or a science? When I got into it I would have said art, I enjoyed using math abstracts to create something new. Now I'm more mature and would say computer programming is more science. The two new kids I work with don't know the difference between a vector and a linked list, they are just into programming for the money.
I guess without the specs, no one can answer how the CELL processor will work better with functional languages. I still don't see how multi-threaded procedural/OOP languages will be better off either.
SuSE (yast) gives me the choice of installing Haskell, ocaml, and scheme. I will install all three, but which one is most processor and O/S agnostic? And again, are there any good generic books on functional programming?
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This is not unexpected. Quote from the article here: Linux sales help Oracle
Oracle has been heavily marketing Linux as a way for its customers to reduce costs, and the strategy appeared to pay off: Much of Oracle's 15 percent growth came from sales of its database on Linux, Gartner said. The Linux database segment remains relatively small overall, accounting for just $654.8 million of new license sales, but it more than doubled from 2003.
Oracle on Linux doubled, Microsoft sees that. If the trend continues look for Microsoft to run thier products on cheap linux clusters.
Bill and Ballmer won't put up with Larry owning a market segment of anything. Even if it means porting to Linux.
Enjoy,
So why is everyone so upset ? The stupid people who counterfit money will give away the printer model they used, not a big deal.
The Federalists maybe: The Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison didn't want the British government to know who was writing them.
I can see where I might want to remain anonymous in a letter to my congress critter accusing him of being brain dead. I'm not advocating anonymous threats, just private dissent.
Enjoy,
If I sat you in front of my system at home and played a record, and CD of the same recording, you'd think the record was the CD.
:)
I agree and I do this too. Led Zeppelin IV.
but don't discount a technology because you don't understand it.
They don't understand it because when is the last time you heard any good instrumental music released. M&M/J-Lo etc. sound like crap in digital or analog
Enjoy,
In your opinion. I visited Apple in 1985. The photos aren't that old.
Enjoy,
Actually, only 4 of the root servers are in the US. The fifth North American server is in Quebec.
I stand corrected. I should have said North American.
Cheers, Enjoy.
The only thing I see is that the US has the root servers, and Europeans don't want it like that any more. I still find myself asking why.
Your wrong. Only 5 root servers are here in the USA.
See here: Root Server Locations;
Enjoy,
Yet another opinion on why Linux sucks, Windows is better. Yada, Yada, Yada
IMHO Linux doesn't suck. CUPS installation does suck. I can't buy a cheap laptop without Windows. Six years and he can't install synaptic for linux program installs? There is no unified API, get over it (Target xlib). There was no migration issues when my wife decided to go with Linux/KDE vs the Mac. The outlook emails she wanted to keep she just emailed the back to herself (now stored in mozilla format).
Asa Dotzler is the QA guy for Mozilla. My QA person bitches at me constantly about the differences between the Win32 and AIX/SCO/NCR/Linux binaries. Differences between OS level and GUI, shit happens.
Sorry, I didn't mean to bitch.
Enjoy,
LDAP for security Part 1;
Linux LDAP Tutorial;
Enjoy,
I'm no C++ guru (I know enough to make mistakes), but I do know that the language gives as much or as little control as the programmer desires. Just like C and assembler.
After reading the posts in this thread, I can only derive that the most of the Python/Java/Perl/C#/PHP/Ruby crowd have no idea how thier interpreter of choice is built. All are built using C/C++ or a combination of both.
It's really disturbing that most of these programmers have no idea on how thier interpreter of choice interacts with the processor or the OS its running on.
It's downright stupid that most of the interpretive programmers blame the security issues on C/C++ and not the program vendor for shoddy code.
No flamewar intended. Food for thought.
Enjoy.
Dude,
Outside of Tampa here. Florida native. I've lived through seven or eight of these wonders of nature (never been through higher than a cat 3).
When I was a kid, these storms never bothered me. Now that I have my own home with wife and kids they make me anxious.
Since I bought my house, we have allways had a re-inforced hurricane cabnet. Its stocked with canned food and water for five for two weeks. Its also stocked with batteries/fist-aid/and candles. Needless to say, we used it last year twice for Frances and Jeanne.
This winter, thanks to GWB and his tax break, I just put hurricane code windows into my home (140+ winds). Next year I intend to re-inforce the roof.
Sorry, I didn't want to lecture, Just be prepared. We live in the South. We had a lot more Hurricanes hit the southeast in the 70-80's than now (just not as strong). The 90's made us complacent.
Get a strong box. Put in Insurance/important papers along with CD/DVD backups of emails/code/pictures in it.
Maybe I can open up a port on my Lan for you send backups to if you need it (just encrypt it first). You do the same for me if I need it.
Keep your head down and take care.
Having been through a 5.5 earthquake, to me a
Hurricane is a piece of cake. You can see it coming.
Enjoy,
Thanks for the soda coming out of my nose. I had completly forgotten that experience :)
Enjoy,
When it was hooked up to the splitter in front of my house, the installer said each service would be separate. Four fiber lines = Phone, internet, cable with one for future use.
Of course the more services you buy, the cheaper it gets.
Enjoy,
In response, Golf clap then Cheers
No knowledge required to be a slashdot moderator.
Good post.
Enjoy.
Linux uses apps which mostly have three tiers: storage, engine and UI. They've got lots of IPC, mostly standardized. The desktops have more IPC options, too. I want a desktop which lets me find multimedia documents by bookmark, metadata searching, or virtual hierarchical views of my storage. When I open a doc, it can include live data, including data updated in realtime from distributed storage (or generation, like web services or streams). I want to work from menus (or other GUIs) that contain all the valid operations for all the valid datatypes in the doc. When I want to add new datatypes, I want to add from GUIs integrated with the doc scope in which I'm working. When I want to store my doc somewhere on the network, either as a resource, or a person, I want to merely send it to that object name, with its default transport (SMB, NFS, email, WebDAV, FTP, HTTP-PUT, SMS/Content-Disposition, whatever) automatic, unless I select another. I want to subscribe to versions of multimedia docs across the network. And I want to diagram how data flows through my document components into each other, including filters and logic, with dataflow/workflow templates that are just other docs that people with whom I work send around.
Sounds like WorkPlace Shell + SOM from OS/2.
You could create Shadow folders, add/create/register your own workplace objects etc.
Neat shit. I just wish IBM would release OSS/GPL versions of these.
Enjoy,
My impression is that in most of those heavily-hyped cases, nothing ever wound up happening at all.
The city of Largo seems to have done well and they are even looking to hire people with general purpose computer/Linux knowledge.
Largo Loves Linux
Enjoy,
It's amazing how news articles seem to get the most basic of details wrong.
No, it's amazing that so many windows users don't know the history of Microsoft.
Government interest in Microsoft's affairs had begun in 1991 with an inquiry by the Federal Trade Commission over whether Microsoft was abusing its monopoly on the PC operating system market.
Review the references here:
MS vs USA
Enjoy,
But with the new ATI linux drivers, and the price/performance of the x800 series radeons, I have begun to think about selling my 6600GT and moving up further.
I don't think the new drivers are all that great. ATI Radeon 9600 here and a few games (OpenGL+fglrx) randomly exit during play leaving a 300x200 window on my desktop. Mouse locked up at this point.
I'm still switching back to Nvidia once I have the extra cash.
Enjoy,
I played the crap out of that game back in '86 on my IIc. Excellent game. Good of you to keep it alive too.
..bruce..
:)
I am now contemplating getting rid of the Apple II gear--but part of me just doesn't want to let it go just yet.
Don't do that. My eleven year old is having a blast programming our IIe and IIgs. The apple emulators leave much to be desired when it comes to teaching the fundamentals of computers to kids. There is something insanely fun about using PEEK, POKE, and CALL -151
Enjoy,
This had more to do with PC price cutting than Evil Microsoft. In fact, one of the most popular bundleware product was MS Encarta, so the discontinuation of this practice hurt them too.
Considering Encarta wasn't even around at the time, how can you make this statement? Microsoft Works was. Excell, Word, and PowerPoint all came on separate disks (I still have them).
I have Bundleware from PFS WindowsWorks, Norton, Comptons, Compuserve, AOL, Lotus etc. How was having a choice a bad thing?
Enjoy,
Good idea.
I think a better solution exists. In the 80s/Mid-90's you bought the Computer and it came with an O/S. It also came bundled with a seperate disk(s) and/or CDRom that contained other goodies such as freeware applications, games, office bundles etc. (Apple even did this).
This practice stopped once Microsoft subverted the PC Producers into offering Microsoft only solutions. By manipulating the Windows pricing model, they could get the computer makers to agree to anything.
I think we need to return to the previous model were the PC only comes with an O/S and utilities. Everything else should be packaged on a second CD/DVD. Microsoft should have to use the second CD for MSN/IE/WMP etc. Real/Netscape/OSS/VendorX could also offer products for the consumer to choose from. The PC Maker would have the deciding choice on what to offer on the goodies CD therefore differentiating their product from the competition. For instance, Real could offer a six month trial of NFL broadcasts or MSN could offer a free subscription to Encarta for a year.
A win-win situation for everyone. MS gets to ship its versions of PC-Addons along with every other vendor.
Just a thought,
Enjoy.
So now that the difference between Apple computers and mainstream PCs will boil down to a BIOS of some kind, what exactly is preventing every PC maker in the world from doing a bit of trivial, legal reverse engineering and creating Apple hardware clones that run Apple's operating systems?
Two words: Franklin and Laser.
They tried this will the Apple ][ and got sued into oblivion.
The Apple ROMs will no doubt have something unique and copyrightable within them. Without this thingy. the software won't run.
Enjoy,
However at that point, I hope to change to Linux. There has to be a lot of people on Slashdot who have done this. Are there any suggestions of what to avoid? It has been my hope that Linux gets easier to install and operate ever few years.
Try SuSE. I've been using it since 6.4 and it's never given me any installation problems. Hardware detection with YaST has always been better than RedHat IMHO. Once you get the Linux basics down, its easy to migrate to Debian, Gentoo or any other distribution.
You can download the free SuSE version (CD or DVD) or go out and spend US $70~ for it and get 30 day email support.
I would advise partitioning your hard disk and leaving the Windows partition alone. Install Linux into the second and you can dual boot.
The only problem with Linux at this point (software wise) that I see converts having issues with is the lack of Quicken (I don't use it). All my Windows games (I haven't bought any in a while), run fine under Wine. Most of my DOS games run under DosBox.
If you have any problems or questions, go ask over at justlinux.com. You won't get any RTFM responses.
Enjoy,
Not just ask slashdot either, the developer section is hosed too. BTW, I don't use the RSS feeds from slashdot.
Enjoy,
Who are you and what colledge do you teach at? Or are you from IBM?
Basically the SPEs are stripped down CPUs like a PPC. Code has to be loaded into it, and then it streams in data from its bus, works on the data, and then the results stream out to the bus.
I got most of this from the POWER5 tutorial over at developerworks from IBM.
When you look at the assembly differences, the OOP code has way more overhead to do the same thing. Plus, simple things like data alignment in arrays versus structures (classes) can make a big difference too.
These are all processor/language specific issues. I learned a long time ago how to isolate related code (sets) into separate object modules. Most of which don't scale beyond 16000 threads/processes.
Nobody talks about this anymore, but is computer programming an art form or a science? When I got into it I would have said art, I enjoyed using math abstracts to create something new. Now I'm more mature and would say computer programming is more science. The two new kids I work with don't know the difference between a vector and a linked list, they are just into programming for the money.
Thanks,
Better sample, thanks. Recursion is always fun :)
I guess without the specs, no one can answer how the CELL processor will work better with functional languages. I still don't see how multi-threaded procedural/OOP languages will be better off either.
SuSE (yast) gives me the choice of installing Haskell, ocaml, and scheme. I will install all three, but which one is most processor and O/S agnostic? And again, are there any good generic books on functional programming?
Thanks again.
Enjoy,