Faster?? Benchmarks for dalvik vs hotspot for java se embedded showed hotspot was ahead on pretty much every score. Dalvik's strength is in lower resource consumption and spawning new vms on limited hardware.
android's use of the apache license aside, i'm sure Google would be happy enough with openjdk's GPL. The problem isn't the GPL but the additional conditions attached.
The real issues here are Sun patents, jck restrictions, royalties for 'embedded' Java and loading only a subset of Java SE on mobile devices.
Abolish the jcp, guarantee patent freedom, make openjdk a proper open source project - like red hat's icedtea. Modularize the jre - like Sun demoed in kernel mode on windows.
Well it's one thing to complain that phone developers haven't upscaled their UIs to a Galaxy's larger dimensions. Some of this would've been necessary for iPad?
Totally insulting to label their work 'shoddy', on the other hand.
even on 3G I turn off images and JS. Some sites don't work without the full web2.0/flash experience. Good old slashdot works fine. My sister-in-law is fine using her phone as a dialup modem. For $AU10/month she uses dialup to connect to her regular ISP and pays only for the call rates through her voice plan. Slower but not pegged at the 300MB/month I get on 3G, which costs an extra $5/m on my plan.
as you say, each generation of iOS carries over missing functionality from the desktop. But at what point does iOS become complete? OS X is 25 years of legacy nextstep. It's not too much of a stretch to think that the iOS toolkit becomes THE endorsed API for OSX once any desktop mousey stuff is added back in. Nokia's Qt supports varieties of Ux.
they do have multi-touch trackpads though? the macbook air won't survive. With a hybrid OS, compare iPad3 that docks inside a hinged keyboard enclosure.
at least where i live, the consumer electronics market has recently been flooded with cheap Chinese android phones and tablets. Even major telcos have started rebranding these things - taiwanese and korean household names just can't compete at such margins.
Were the Chinese govt to issue a blanket ban on all things Googly, efforts might be directed towards other projects. A windows8 clone could be on the cards. China has a MIPS cpu with x86 emu. Partner that with LinuxUnifiedKernel and a dash of moonlight and monotouch - hey presto, you've just outpriced windows-on-atom.
the harmony problem emerged long before Oracle got involved. It commenced with dubious status re Sun's blessing which was never resolved. Further, twas a political ploy given cleanroom Java was already in play - GNU Classpath/cacao/jamvm/gcj/kaffe. A few Apache folks got their noses out of joint because it never came to fruition and Google bastardized their work in Android. OO.org is a straight donation, without the ideological baggage. Apache becoming a dumping ground for yet another dying offering the vendor is no longer interested in maintaining.
did sun ever make, significant, money off staroffice? Oracle's donation to Apache and subsequent license change is a last attempt to produce a proprietary offering. A copylefted office suite will suffice for most - the rest will buy MS anyway. Hence I can't see that Larry or Apache stand to gain much unless another big contributor agrees to dual license.
if samsung sponsored this project and agreed to base its future offerings on similar chipsets, we might see fully FOSS phones capable of running not just android but meego, ubuntu et alia. Kinda like the symbian foundation was aiming for with wild ducks on beagleboard before nokia pulled the plug.
Probably out of luck if you buy a phone using those chips. Those incorporating PowerVR GPUs may, eventually, run better with Wayland - as used in Intel's Atom platform.
Since we seem to be comparing JS to Java, it's worth noting that server-side java frameworks such as EJB discourage or even forbid explicit thread creation, arguing that "the container" is much better at managing concurrency and lifecycle than the average JavaEE code-monkey.
one of the supposed benefits of stateless monadic code is that it is somewhat more parallelizable than traditional imperative or stateful OO paradigms. Could 'clean' js be marked with annotations and magically threaded behind the scenes by the javascript runtime?
(above is hearsay - i am not a functional programmer)
I understand the karma of having a bleeding edge iso but don't most ISPs mirror such downloads? Wait 24 hours and it'll be cached locally and 'unmetered'.
my next phone will inevitably be an android given a lack of meego or webos devices. Day 1 i'll wipe it and install cyanogenmod. i may be in the minority but i have little interest in app stores and $2.95 shareware. Nor paying to receive movies on a 3.5" screen. If patent trolls and mega-corporations drive a resurgence in free software (as in speech - replicant) on mobile devices, bring it on!
Noooo! fix your damn filesystem! It's bloody annoying when a developer on windows commits a file in the wrong case, which of course works on NTFS. Then follows the merry-go-round of deleting the file from revision control and re-adding under the correct case e.g. certain MS software saving extensions in all uppercase.
I'd definitely look at webos if I they were for sale in my country.
A question for n900 owners would be whether they expect Nokia to actually distribute a successor. If not, whether they're planning to port Meego to rooted Androids (instead of, say, cyanogenmod.)
Slashdot Mirror
Faster?? Benchmarks for dalvik vs hotspot for java se embedded showed hotspot was ahead on pretty much every score.
Dalvik's strength is in lower resource consumption and spawning new vms on limited hardware.
patent protection for GPL'd openjdk doesn't extend to cleanroom Apache Harmony - Gosling's/Larry's rules.
android's use of the apache license aside, i'm sure Google would be happy enough with openjdk's GPL. The problem isn't the GPL but the additional conditions attached.
The real issues here are Sun patents, jck restrictions, royalties for 'embedded' Java and loading only a subset of Java SE on mobile devices.
Abolish the jcp, guarantee patent freedom, make openjdk a proper open source project - like red hat's icedtea. Modularize the jre - like Sun demoed in kernel mode on windows.
Great, US Forces can invade and lay waste to your village but at least your wounded will be provided with A1 medical care?
Well it's one thing to complain that phone developers haven't upscaled their UIs to a Galaxy's larger dimensions. Some of this would've been necessary for iPad?
Totally insulting to label their work 'shoddy', on the other hand.
Add Jenkins to that list. Hudson's creator left Oracle and forked after receiving a cold shoulder.
Hudson continues; Oracle use it internally perhaps.
HP and RIM are alternatives. Whether they provide a 'good tablet experience' the market will decide.
javascript is just a language so it's a simple matter of writing a library to access the underlying hardware through a foreign function interface.
Sandboxing in a browser via the js engine and vendors 'standardising' apis are secondary issues.
even on 3G I turn off images and JS. Some sites don't work without the full web2.0/flash experience. Good old slashdot works fine.
My sister-in-law is fine using her phone as a dialup modem. For $AU10/month she uses dialup to connect to her regular ISP and pays only for the call rates through her voice plan. Slower but not pegged at the 300MB/month I get on 3G, which costs an extra $5/m on my plan.
as you say, each generation of iOS carries over missing functionality from the desktop. But at what point does iOS become complete?
OS X is 25 years of legacy nextstep. It's not too much of a stretch to think that the iOS toolkit becomes THE endorsed API for OSX once any desktop mousey stuff is added back in. Nokia's Qt supports varieties of Ux.
they do have multi-touch trackpads though?
the macbook air won't survive. With a hybrid OS, compare iPad3 that docks inside a hinged keyboard enclosure.
maybe you live inside some reality distortion field where users don't have access to source code? Oh, wait.
at least where i live, the consumer electronics market has recently been flooded with cheap Chinese android phones and tablets. Even major telcos have started rebranding these things - taiwanese and korean household names just can't compete at such margins.
Were the Chinese govt to issue a blanket ban on all things Googly, efforts might be directed towards other projects. A windows8 clone could be on the cards. China has a MIPS cpu with x86 emu. Partner that with LinuxUnifiedKernel and a dash of moonlight and monotouch - hey presto, you've just outpriced windows-on-atom.
the harmony problem emerged long before Oracle got involved. It commenced with dubious status re Sun's blessing which was never resolved. Further, twas a political ploy given cleanroom Java was already in play - GNU Classpath/cacao/jamvm/gcj/kaffe. A few Apache folks got their noses out of joint because it never came to fruition and Google bastardized their work in Android.
OO.org is a straight donation, without the ideological baggage. Apache becoming a dumping ground for yet another dying offering the vendor is no longer interested in maintaining.
did sun ever make, significant, money off staroffice? Oracle's donation to Apache and subsequent license change is a last attempt to produce a proprietary offering.
A copylefted office suite will suffice for most - the rest will buy MS anyway. Hence I can't see that Larry or Apache stand to gain much unless another big contributor agrees to dual license.
patents
if samsung sponsored this project and agreed to base its future offerings on similar chipsets, we might see fully FOSS phones capable of running not just android but meego, ubuntu et alia.
Kinda like the symbian foundation was aiming for with wild ducks on beagleboard before nokia pulled the plug.
Probably out of luck if you buy a phone using those chips. Those incorporating PowerVR GPUs may, eventually, run better with Wayland - as used in Intel's Atom platform.
Since we seem to be comparing JS to Java, it's worth noting that server-side java frameworks such as EJB discourage or even forbid explicit thread creation, arguing that "the container" is much better at managing concurrency and lifecycle than the average JavaEE code-monkey.
one of the supposed benefits of stateless monadic code is that it is somewhat more parallelizable than traditional imperative or stateful OO paradigms.
Could 'clean' js be marked with annotations and magically threaded behind the scenes by the javascript runtime?
(above is hearsay - i am not a functional programmer)
I understand the karma of having a bleeding edge iso but don't most ISPs mirror such downloads?
Wait 24 hours and it'll be cached locally and 'unmetered'.
part of the nokia deal? Keep it running on symbian and on wp7.
my next phone will inevitably be an android given a lack of meego or webos devices. Day 1 i'll wipe it and install cyanogenmod. i may be in the minority but i have little interest in app stores and $2.95 shareware. Nor paying to receive movies on a 3.5" screen.
If patent trolls and mega-corporations drive a resurgence in free software (as in speech - replicant) on mobile devices, bring it on!
Noooo! fix your damn filesystem!
It's bloody annoying when a developer on windows commits a file in the wrong case, which of course works on NTFS. Then follows the merry-go-round of deleting the file from revision control and re-adding under the correct case e.g. certain MS software saving extensions in all uppercase.
I'd definitely look at webos if I they were for sale in my country.
A question for n900 owners would be whether they expect Nokia to actually distribute a successor. If not, whether they're planning to port Meego to rooted Androids (instead of, say, cyanogenmod.)