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Chinese Paper Warns Google May Pay Price For Hacking Claims
suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from a Reuters report:
"Google has become a 'political tool' vilifying the Chinese government, an official Beijing newspaper said on Monday, warning that the US internet giant's statements about hacking attacks traced to China could hurt its business. The tough warning appeared in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, the leading newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party, indicating that political tensions between the United States and China over Internet security could linger. Last week, Google said it had broken up an effort to steal the passwords of hundreds of Google email account holders, including US government officials, Chinese human rights advocates and journalists. It said the attacks appeared to come from China."
Google is just going to be hungry for more political oppression in half an hour.
Somehow I picture the executives at Google, and US State Department officials having a good laugh over this one.
Nobody outside of China believes the type of propaganda crap spewed by Chinese newspapers.
Putting moderation advice in your
Is China going to war against Google? Should I enlist in Google's Cyber Army??
Your tea is ready....
Read Google's blog post here:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/ensuring-your-information-is-safe.html
Nowhere do they point fingers at the Chinese government. They merely pointed out source of the attack was based in a certain Chinese city. It is the Chinese who interpreted that as pointing at the Chinese govt. Why would the Chinese do that unless they are aware of the attack being carried out by their army/govt. They could've just said they will investigate further the origin and trace the attackers. No, instead they went into this defensive spin. Shows the Chinese govt is guilty (al though Google didn't accuse them).
#Lame #Fail.
We built it, and among its many purposes were to further the freedoms of the United States of America.
To what ends are China using the Internet we built? Attacking the email accounts of our senior government officials? Sabotaging the power grid? Probing the network of Lockheed Martin?
How do Chinese packets get to the US, and why should they continue to reach us? It is time -- past time -- that the US cut off all Internet routing from China, and establishes treaties with China's neighbors prohibiting them from routing Chinese packets to the US.
Well, well. In crypto and information security threat analysis, there is a usual level above which you have to bring in the REALLY BIG guns: state-level adversaries, where you have to accept that the attackers are going to be very very skilled, very very determined, and have access to > US$ 1M to attack you. When your threat analysis shows you'll have such adversaries, you usually either give up, or go after a way to get a few million dollars per year to defend against them AND use that money very very wisely.
I'd like to see the typical US-centric internet service provider survive THAT. You want to have people running around like crazy headless chickens? Do a crippling attack on twitter, facebook, maybe a few others. The blow to the morale will be very painful, long-lasting, and it will certainly cause a lot of service disruption. Which is pathetic in itself, but that's a matter for some other slashdot story.
There is no need to attack the key infrastructure that is extremely well protected (like the DNS root servers), or not nearly as resilient infrastructure that would cause immediate and swift retaliation from everybody else (BGP4 hijacks).
Google wouldn't survive it for long, either. So far it looks like they're dealing with the end-terms of an introductory school class on cracking that someone is teaching deep in China. It might or might not be indirectly state-sponsored, but it certainly isn't a serious high-value attack by the Chinese military. They are a lot better than that.
Google scissors cuts Chinese paper. Ha.
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
How big of a loss will a Google blacklist in china as that may high on list of what Google stands to lose over this.
I don't think that's their main concern. China has already been beating their heads over this and other things lately. They can't keep acquiescing forever. Hell, if I were on the board I'd be worried about China nationalizing all of their holdings. What's stopping them? They've been daring the West to go to war for 30 years.
Me Chinese. Me play joke. Me go peepee in Google's coke.
With the Great Firewall, I have a hard time believing that an attack originating from a Chinese IP was not government backed.
"The best defense is a GOOD offense" & it appears that the Chinese are reacting "defensively" here.
What GOOGLE's stating? Heh - Doesn't surprise me @ all, not whatsoever:
E.G./I.E.-> I've been filling a custom HOSTS file & my firewall rules tables here since 1997 vs. KNOWN BAD SITES/SERVERS/Hosts-Domain names, & a huge majority of the entries? They come straight out of the "communist block" (mainly/specifically, .ru, .su, cn TLD's).
An unbelievable LARGE majority of the entries ARE from there...
APK
P.S.=> Of the 1,426,755++ entries in my HOSTS file? I'd say a GOOD 30% or more are from those TLD's, & yes, that's partially China... There's little denying "who's doing what" out there!
... apk
I dunno about Google per se, but Eric "I'm a total douchebag" Schmidt appears besides the word "tool" in every major English dictionary.
Are you so daft that you believe the MPAA/RIAA are uniquely US problems?
Somehow I picture the executives at Google, and US State Department officials having a good laugh over this one. Nobody outside of China believes the type of propaganda crap spewed by Chinese newspapers.
The problem is that people "inside" of China will believe this, and this is why folks at Google and the State Department are probably not laughing as hard as you believe.
Uh, the RIAA and MPAA haven't taken any action outside the US (well other than asking Congress and the executive branch to push for more draconian international treaties and for the state department to put countries that don't cave on their naughty list). The multinationals that are the members of those organizations have certainly had their local lobbying arms do similar things to the RIAA and MPAA in other countries but the MPAA and RIAA are US only.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
The reason is that they don't know how. At this point they can't even feed themselves, and that's relatively straightforward compared with building and maintaining their own national intranet. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in China that are capable of doing it, I just don't think they know how to actually undertake something of that magnitude in the current climate over there.
well if the shoe fits. you should wear it...
or stop it before Obama tells you to leave your country...
The People's Daily is the Administration's favorite paper.
I thought Google was going to take their bat and ball and go home... oh, right, they backed down because they didn't want to lose such a big market.
I know this is kind of wishful thinking on my part, but I sure wish these continued shenanigans on the part of the Chinese government would lead to some big international players deciding that the potential gains aren't worth jumping through all the hoops and playing nice when all China seems to do is screw 'em over every chance they get.
Sep Blatters style has fans in china too.
Is there any doubt that China is in a cold war? They hate the west and want to control the world. Right now, they do not like their business to be spoken about. This is a war that will likely turn hot UNLESS chaos take over in CHina.
The good news is that China is suffering high inflation from the command economy and their violating many treaties. This is forcing China to make some major changes. Sadly, that is also part of what is causing riots there. Shortly, it appears that multiple bubbles are bursting now. However, if that is not true, then we will likely see a return of the proxy wars (iran, north korea, burma, and likely venezuela are gearing up with help from china).
smacks of the fluent anticommunist rhetoric that only americans have managed to drum to a fever pitch. maybe china is right, maybe theyre wrong; it changes nothing. hacking happens for numerous reasons both political and apolitical in the worlds largest internet corporations. Yet, stories about china and their malevolent, evil red hackers abound on slashdot for no other reason than the majority of us are from a generation fed nothing but delta force commando movies and virulent anticommunist propaganda designed to confirm the myth that communists are some unspeakable form of evil and hate the american way of life.
for something constructive, how about we report on a technical analysis or countermeasures google is taking in general to combat hacking against their marketing empire masquerading as an email service? I could care less about governments, be they communist or capitalist and their ensuing newspapers.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Not the blocking, they can do that easily. The problem is that China will discover if they go all block happy and shut down external communications services, it'll hurt business. Blocking Google wouldn't hurt Google that much. However it would hurt China's ability to do business with the world.
Are we sure these are the views of the Chinese government? Or just the journalists working for the government controlled newspaper?
Wow, since when do factual statements get modded down on slashdot?
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Dear China, we are not you. Our companies are not merely puppet extensions of our government (well unless its an oil company). This is a classic pot calling the kettle black scenario (or finding the beam in another's eye for the biblical among us). Google has nothing to gain by accusing you so shut up.
-1, done listening to you
(people think that choice exists)
maybe y'all know somethin'?
Quite often actually.
Are we sure these are the views of the Chinese government? Or just the journalists working for the government controlled newspaper?
Six if one. Half-dozen of another. If you are a journalist for a Chinese government-backed newspaper, it's probably not a good idea to disagree with that government's views too often or too loudly. Indeed, just the fact that they hired you means you are probably not likely to disagree with their views using their newspaper (radio/tv, etc.).
One "Aw, Shit!" is worth 100 "Ata boys!"
Wow, since when do factual statements get modded down on slashdot?
Lots of people disagree with facts. It makes them appear irrational to the rest of us, but hey.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
I have to wonder, sometimes, if China is building up to closing off their internets to the outside world entirely, or getting the rest of the 'internet community' to do it for them, by acting so irrationally?
V for Vendetta: People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
In your point-of-view though? That makes good sense on YOUR part, I won't knock you for it - because it is, "a way" on your end!
(That is, as long as your firewall's not compromised & routers have been shown to have THAT much happen, as well as "system hooking" in firewalls too, that is)...
HOWEVER - As I noted earlier in my init. reply you responded to though?
I do the firewall bit too, but I "layer on" the added benefits of HOSTS files for more of the concept of "layered security" is all...
To each his own, &, @ least you do SOMETHING about it! Many folks, and companies? Don't...
APK
P.S.=> HOSTS files also act in other ways, such as added speed (blocking ad banners for example) &/or RELIABILITY ( + even MORE SPEED) by bypassing possibly compromised DNS servers (or downed ones, or "redirect DNS poisoned" ones)... & more! apk
I hope China denies everything that they are ever accused of, for a looooonnnng time to come. If the corporations of the USA had as much balls as they have removed from the US government, then one day they should start telling China how it is. Won't ever happen, but if you can't prove China actually did it, then treat them like they didn't do it. Either the Chinese government is full of shit, or they really are as incompetent is they say at securing the Chinese Internet infrastructure. Either way, they need to be dealt with accordingly. I dont' know of a single company who would keep an employee if they couldn't tell if the employee is lying to their face or just flat out incompetent as it gets.
...we shouldn't let them play at all.
Can we just build a second "Great Firewall" on our side from theirs and not let them OUT? I know a lot of our firms want badly to go there and make money, but the rest of the Internet is at risk from their crap, all of us.
at least where i live, the consumer electronics market has recently been flooded with cheap Chinese android phones and tablets. Even major telcos have started rebranding these things - taiwanese and korean household names just can't compete at such margins.
Were the Chinese govt to issue a blanket ban on all things Googly, efforts might be directed towards other projects. A windows8 clone could be on the cards. China has a MIPS cpu with x86 emu. Partner that with LinuxUnifiedKernel and a dash of moonlight and monotouch - hey presto, you've just outpriced windows-on-atom.
China has some very serious external dependencies. Iron, coal (the high-grade stuff needed for coking steel, they have plenty of sulfur-laden crap-coal domestically), OIL, export markets for cash (remember, the yuan is not a full participant in international financial systems; they do their external trade mostly in dollars, somewhat in Euros).
The iron and coal comes largely from Australia. Look at recent power politics being played between Australia and China over Chinese attempts to buy majority ownership in Australian mining companies; when Australia blocked those sales, the Chinese retaliated by jailing visiting Australian mining company executives as "spies". That incident didn't last long, but it shows the Chinese feeling of vulnerability and the willingness to play hardball to address that. The oil comes from all over the world. Almost all of it travels via sea. And the number one naval power in the world, by an overwhelming margin? The United States. Look at recent Chinese military efforts to develop a blue-water navy, to secure external naval ports in China-friendly host nations (Venezuela, Pakistan), and to seize the disputed Paracel and Spratley Islands, which have billions of barrels of suspected oil reserves.
Then recall the economic event which Japan used as a reason to attack the United States in 1941: the American and British decision to deny oil to Japan due to their "activities" in Japan. Everyone involved has knows this is something that can get out of hand.
Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
It's a sign that you are doing something right. I am particularly proud of posts that get moderated both up and down several times.
"they keep towing the party line"
Where do they tow it to? Oh wait you mean toe the line.....
When about 98% of the random port scans or anything else my router/firewall sees as an intrusion attempt doesn't come from an IP in china, then i might start to believe they don't condone or outright encourage it. Every so often i get an IP from like the ukraine, otherwise its pretty much all china IP's
It's hard to disagree - Google is indeed anti-China. Vilifying the Chinese government is either corporate policy, or the individual policy of Google employees. Either way, it's difficult to tell which is which, and Google resources are used either way.
Maybe you heard about the "Jasmine" revolution in China. What a joke. The only people for it...didn't live in China. You wouldn't know that from reading Google sources. The Chinese people are quite good at spotting media lies, having grown up on a steady diet of outrageous leftist propaganda in newspapers since the Revolution. China has made it clear in the last few years that the glory days are over and anyone doing business in China must get in line like everyone else and play according to the rules. Yes, China does have laws, and they function surprisingly well once you know how to use them. Google wants to sit in China, make billions, and lend a helping hand to anyone wanting to overthrow the government. Can there be any surprise that China reacts this way, especially when they're correct?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Google is dead in China. Period. In China, if your business doesn't have good relation with gov, you lose for sure. The question for Google is if Google wants to be the God or just doing business. Either or choice, simple as that. To be the God, get out form China. I don't get what is argument here.
One important thing to remember: the "Chinese government" is not monolithic. Its various components often act in defiance of each other, much moreso than in Western nations.
The Chinese civilian government is not the same entity as the Chinese Communist Party, which is not the same entity as the Chinese military. There have been numerous examples of this. One prime example was the incident in which a US recon aircraft, operating in international airspace, was buzzed by Chinese fighter jets... and one of them collided with the recon aircraft, crippling it (and killing the fighter pilot). The US aircraft was forced to land at the nearest airport, which was Chinese. The Chinese civilian government did not want to cause an incident by entering the aircraft (the interior of an aircraft is sovereign territory of the nation in which it is registered, in the same manner and law as the deck of a ship at sea). They agreed to return the aircraft and crew; at the time, WTO membership was being considered for China. The Chinese military disagreed, claiming the landing was illegal (even though the aircraft had broadcast numerous distress signals, and ICAO treaties to which China is signatory allow any aircraft in an emergency to land at any airport without prior authorization... never mind that the emergency had been caused by the actions of the Chinese military...) and in full defiance of the civilian government imprisoned the crew and disassembled the plane to learn its capabilities. Later, the crew were released, and the plane returned in neatly boxed pieces.
There is also frequently conflict between local governments, which are largely corruption-funded (land seizures in which farmlands are seized and a pittance paid for them, then sold by the local government to developers at enormous profit, operation of product-counterfeiting factories, etc.) and the national government, which wants it people to not have cause for protests and which wants to minimize external economic conflicts. National laws are passed, but are not enforced by local authorities, and appeals to the national government go unheeded.
Reaching a deal with "China" doesn't mean much, as its component pieces frequently ignore each other and the agreements the other Chinese entities have reached. Perhaps a deal will be reached between the Chinese civilian government and the US government calling for curbing Internet-based intrusions, but that is meaningless to the Chinese military, which will do as it sees fit regardless. This is a reality which everyone doing business in China eventually figures out; reaching a deal with the big boys in Beijing is just the start of the process, not the end, and appeals to Beijing when other entities reneg on the agreement will get you little.
Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
Why is the chinese communist party such a bunch of blustering, bullshit artist fuckwits.
Does it go with the job??
Dick Nixon said that, in terms of geopolitics, his secret missions to open relations with China was the best thing he ever did for America and for the world. Turns out that DIck Nixon actually was, A DICK.
FUCK CHINA.
Stop buying its dangerous, substandard products and stop voting for anyone who recommends doing business with it.
Once again, FUCK CHINA. Whether you're from the U.S., Taiwan, Japan, Germany or the Republic of Mega Banana, FUCK CHINA.
Absolutely: You don't get the "lag" adbanners put on webpage loads, & you CERTAINLY don't get hit by malwares (once you blockout where they came from & communicate back to). It's a good solid added "layer" of added "layered security".
APK
We will punish Google's claims of hacking with MORE HACKING!
That's where my HOSTS file "takes over" really - as I stated in my initial replies? It's LOADED with data, international data, vs. known bad sites/servers/hosts-domain names & from REPUTABLE & RELIABLE sources for that type of data (there's entire communities & sites based on it in fact).
APK
That claimed a US turbo-prop cargo plane attacked their jet fighters, by ramming the jet fighters from behind.
China has zero credibility, we all know it.
Stop fooling around and let's send in a US Navy spec-ops nuclear submarine with combat swimmers and ROVs. Severe all undersea fiber cables that connect communist mainland china to the net and tell Beijing to use the abacus.
The net was created by askhenasi jews and white anglo-saxon protestants and there is no God-given right for coloured races to use it. If they obey the established rules of the judeo-graeco-roman derived high civilization as we know it, then whites may allow them to use the net. There is certainly no reason to let the nigerian nation of negro 419 fraudsters and the chinese bunch of yellow data thiefs abuse the net with their criminality. Hell, even the slavic russians, ukrainians and other former USSR nation do not qualifiy as euro-atlantic whites in this regard. They are very barbaric, criminal and primitive. Better rid the net of them! Probably only the japanese and their former colony of the south koreans are respectable coloured civilizations.
It's time to segment and partition the net for whites and the rest of the world ghetto. Not that coloureds will be able to upkeep their segment for long... The stupid "multi-culturalism" mumbo-jumbo has collapsed years ago and we must abandon the untrue notion of racial egality. People who are darker on the outside or inside are not as valuable as whites and jews. They do not invent, progress or upkeep, only destroy, deteriorate and demoralize. The net is no exception, so it must be protected from lesser cultures if it is to exist in 20 or 50 years time!
Despite the similarities, that is not a Dr.Who OR Battlestar Balactica reference. You have to actually be a tad more nerdy than even that to get it.
Fuck Google
What I can't understand is that (I may be wrong), Google said it came from "China", physically. They did NOT say it came from the "Chinese Government". That may be the implication, but that's not what they said. For instance, the Sony hack may have come from the "United States", physically, but that is not the same as saying that Sony was hacked by the "United States Government". This misinformation is just flamebait.
I8-D
...but you will pay for your insolence.