Companies are so worried about piracy that they go to these extremes.
When this first came out, what a week ago? I thought to my self - jeeze more big brother, glad I use Linux and dont have to wory about anything like this. I'm now finding it quite ironic, I'm guilty of using numerous pirated versions of software, snagging poor rips of movies and mp3's for a preview before I go out and spend $20-$50+ on something that more than likely will turn out to be worth 50 cents if that, and usually simply turned out to be another dazzling frizby - I will have to say though I have NEVER encounted a virus/worm/root kit on any of the pirated software/movies/music that I've come across, and you would think that it would be prime realistate (so to speak) for them...
2 things I'm thankful for now - being an outlaw and running Linux... Who'd a thought?
Isn't Open Office on windoze too? The last time I checked, moving to the open doc format didn't mention anything about requiring all users to switch OS's...
Is it me, or did the core of the christian religion just shoot them selves in the foot?
If they are saying that the book of Gensis is nothing more that a fictional tale about how the universe was created (for what ever reason), and that book is the basis for the rest of the old testimant (I mean it is the first book from Moses - are they saying he stretched/made up the truth? Was the great flood fictional?), which the new testimant is derived from (AFAIK) - wouldnt that mean that the entire bible (both old and new) are fictional tales??? In other words - isn't this a little like saying the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy is a true story but the "Hobbit" was fictional?
This doesnt sound to good for one of the (if not the) biggest religions in the world =(
This just goes to prove that old saying about the pen being mightier than the sword...
A bunch of paper pushing flunkies are destroying a nation with the worlds most powerful military...
Seriously though, I was in the IT industry for over a decade and I got out because of all this crap with patents, law suits and all around bs, I got into something that I thought would be fun and easy - 3D animation and story telling. In class they cram down your throat about story telling, read books, and watch movies for ideas. "Don't do a blatent copy kiddies, but get ideas and expend on them...", since that is now shot where do we get our ideas from, life? Oh wait, someones story on their life will be patented before I even get out of school!
Maybe I should just move to North Korea or something, atleast there I will be able to be creative for FREE!!!!
A guy plies his trade in a place where certain taxes apply and he has a problem with this? Since when did not having a physical presence in a place exempt you from from their laws?
What about construction workers, truck drivers or any other profession that actually are physically present (temporarily) in the state to do work, and actually do use everything that the government provides (police, roads, lighting, etc...) - the states dont hit them up for taxes...
I've been using Linux since the good old days of the 1.2.13 kernel, and I can adhere to the driver "hell". But, at least from my perspective it has seemed that (even lately) the driver hell I've had to go through has been with obscure or funky (aka cheap) hardware - the hardware that works great under Linux has always seemed to have a much longer life span and more quality than those that work half ass, or not at all...
Eaxmple - a few weeks ago I helped a friend in backing up and old NT box. She went out and bought a new fancy external DVD burners and the mooks she hired to do the job couldn't do it because NT didn't support USB. I brought over my trusty Knoppix CD, rebooted, and everything was recognized - and K3B burned the data on a DVD in about an hour (USB). Now who has the driver issues?
For once, I think that this is a good idea... We all pay for the public schools, whether we like it or not (through taxes). When it comes to colleges, we pay it voluntarily - so we can obviously go there. If the school is below par, and the only one around - the consumer is the one who is screwed...
I agree that it was the fault of EDS... What I see as the overall issue here is that the EDS admins (incompitant or not) were ABLE to do this. For anyone who has tried to install/upgrade an rpm from one version of a particular Linux distro to an earlier version (or even the same version), knows (and has bitched to the heavens about it) about the endless amount of dependency errors that result - and would likewise prevent anything like this from happening.
This is very unfortunate that it happened (I would not want to be one of the ones not getting their money because of it), but on the flip side I see the humorous side of this in that everyone who uses linux has bitched about the dependency problem at one time or another (I know I have), and ironically this type of situation is why the dependency tree was invented.
Now, don't get me wrong, this STILL could have happened with Linux with poorly built RPM's with obviously no dependencies. Note that I equate official rpm's from the linux community (companies or groups) as the same thing as a patch from M$ - in other words the patch it self should never had been able to be installed on an incompatible system (aka unsatisfied dependencies), whether it was attempted or not.
And a situation arises where the endless amount of dependcies, that everyone bitches about on linux - are a GOOD thing!
If the same thing occured on a linux network - pushing out a patch for a system 2+ years newer onto an older system, there would be numerous, if not countless, dependency errors and likewise completely fail - that is the PATCHING/UPGRADE fail, not what unfortunately happened here...
Sorry, but this doesn't really make a lot of since to me... It seems to me that IF this were true then the NVIDIA installer would have seperate driver API's for the each version of the kernel - from what I understand they dont, they have seperate drivers for the 2.4.X and the 2.6.X series, meaning that obviously the 2.6 and 2.4 have seperate API's but the API's are the same in each *MINOR* version. Now, I also believe there is a feature in the kernel about "Module versioning" that allows you to load modules built for a previous kernel (MINOR versions), I've had to use this before - I also believe that the particular modules have to be compiled with this feature turned on in the first place. I am aware of failling modules due calling some obscure kernel routine - I believe NVIDIA gets around this by using the generic API and calling static routines in there closed source libraries that are later linked in... From my experience with closed source static binaries - the manufacturers are simply not taking time/care in doing it the right way - obviously NVIDIA is doing it the right way since there stuff always works.... JMO
it's trying to get consumers who bought a copy of Windows at the corner PC store to go back and demand a legit copy.
Don't know why, but I doubt this, I would guess it would be more like - M$ demanding that the end consumer give them $300 for a valid copy that they will gladly send them.
By pirating Windoze your just having to bow to the empire simply because of apps that are not able to run under Linux yet - if you are forced to bow in such a way, would you rather give them $300 in the process or just do it quetly?
Giving them the $$$ is supporting them - being forced to use their product (if you want to call it that), isn't neccisarily supporting them...
To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian...
Is the excitement here that Debian ran just fine on something so old, the great work from the developers of PearPC or what it takes to get an OS to take a week to boot?
Exactly... And to go one step farther, maybe I am missing something fundamentaly here, but these "byte-coded" languages can't "ask" for help unless they are already executing, and they are oboviously being executed via the platforms engine. This just doesn't make any since to me - I mean for an application to "ask" help from another app, it needs to have the ability process the responce, either the helping app will or wont help out. If the engine (the helper app in this case) isn't going to "help" out, it wont run?#!$?
This just doesn't make any since to me what so ever. SUN must have laughed at this case and not really put much effort into deffending itself and likewise lost.
Your right - it doesn't help the children all that much... It helps the parents in raising their children the way they want/should be - if something has been banned/tightly moinitored, then that is one less thing we have to worry about in what is correct/right/wrong when society floods them with ideas to the contrary.
So why not pollute the stream a bit? Loose some code, and see where it turns up over the next 5 or so years? With any luck, it'll turn up somewhere...
Makes me wonder if they had anything to do with the stolen/leaked Win2k code a while back...
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Well, I can say from experience that non-geek users install Linux because of the security (virii,worms,spywayre,etc..) and Windoze simply not working right. My mom's computer was recently infested with 1/2 dozen viruses before she realized it, and when she did she was pissed about it. I walked her through installing GenToo over the phone, when KDE was finally up and running she kept repeating the same words - "cool", "wow", "oh, neat!". All she know about the command line, is "emerge -s [insert app name]" and "emerge [insert app name]", she is in love with it! I've introduced another girl in my class to Linux via, Knoppix and going to help her install GenToo also - she is installing Linux because for what ever reason ME doesn't like her new DSL and simply will not work - she gets the famous blue screen all the time. She's on an older computer and can't afford a $1,000+ for a new version of windoze plus the hardware - Linux to save the day!
It's not email but how about all of their advertising that they would rather their customers see instead of a usable program guide? Atleast with email you can somwehat filter it out...
A few years ago when shopping for a laptop, I opted for shelling out a few grand for DELL's top end model (8900 or something). When I got everything - the first thing I did was whipe it, install Linux and then reinstalled XP - using all of the drivers and patches from their web site. Everything seemed to work except for the 3D acceleration (it worked under Linux). I called tech support, explained to the guy what was going on and he opted to tell me to DEFRAG my hard drive?!?!?!
I returned the DELL laptop, and purchased a toshiba at CompUSA...
From the article, this investigation started 2 years ago - seemingly consequential with when the RIAA lawsuits started their civil suits against Grandma, Grandpa and little Suzie. I would assume that this 50m was placed in the category of overall profit - however "technically" tied up.
Although this "music industry" attorney came forward - that doesn't mean that he was with the RIAA. If he was with the RIAA - why would we have to go to State to get things resolved? Especially since the letter gives off the impression that the RIAA was so willing to cooperate?
You make some good points - however, I need to also point out that their are some very big stickers on the bumper hitch that says very clearly how much it can tow, and likewise the safe way to do so - and ALSO the very dangerous and potential results of attempting the tow. Their is a large portion of the owners manual dedicated to this feat. From what I understand, if Ford and GM "didn't" put these notices on their vehicles they would get sued for negligence (IANAL) - "That's what it is there for your honor, I thought it would work - their was nothing that said it wouldn't!?!?!".
My main point here is that M$ has their ass completely covered with EULA - do you think there would be any vehicles sold if the manufacturer claimed indemnity due to flawed or negligent engineering? M$ is constantly getting dragged into court for their business practices, but NOT on their negligent or sloppy software - everything is blamed on the uneducated user, how far is that going to go?
With computers used everyday as much as the everyday car - when is the blame going to shift from the end user to those who create the car. The car should be ready to go off the lot, and last a lifetime as long as it is taken care of - there should not be numerous recalls to replace critical engine parts (patches), all there should be are simple oil changes and tuneups (file system cleanup, rebooting, etc..)
I've recently received a notice from GM about a recall concerning a faulty ignition switch that could conceivably catch on fire in the right situation. In corelation this could be seen the same as booting up my computer, and the operating system simply crashing (destroying all my data). The difference is that if the recall was never issued I could have sued GM if it ever happened to me, ie: faulty engineering (ever watch Fight Club for the reasons behind recalls? LOL) - according the EULA, it is my problem for installing the OS in the first place - which is the same as saying it was my fault for buying the car in the first place, regardless of the fact that GM used parts that simply would not hold up.
It's NOT the end users fault here... Was it the end "drivers" fault that Ford has installed faulty Firestone tires on their vehicles?
Regardless of any arguments with this, it boils down to that everyone drives cars and computers alike. Both the huge car manufacturers and software makers alike issue recalls and patches for their product - however, the software makers are largelybullet proof to any legal action because of the EULA and likewise little or no class action lawsuits are brought against them - they are essentially NOT responsible as they should be. One argument to this is that computers cant kill people like cars can - well not directly but an organization relying on computers for communication that is down and can't get help to someone that is in danger, can certainly kill someone - hence the computers and software can kill INdirectly. Just look at 911, and the UK coast guard that has gone down to this crap.
For the admin, the secondary damage is stopping the end users PC from rebooting it self constantly, quickly moving to the main problem when the single end user turns into the whole company.
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Goes to show you that even the internet police (so to speak) are corrupt now a days...
Companies are so worried about piracy that they go to these extremes.
When this first came out, what a week ago? I thought to my self - jeeze more big brother, glad I use Linux and dont have to wory about anything like this. I'm now finding it quite ironic, I'm guilty of using numerous pirated versions of software, snagging poor rips of movies and mp3's for a preview before I go out and spend $20-$50+ on something that more than likely will turn out to be worth 50 cents if that, and usually simply turned out to be another dazzling frizby - I will have to say though I have NEVER encounted a virus/worm/root kit on any of the pirated software/movies/music that I've come across, and you would think that it would be prime realistate (so to speak) for them... 2 things I'm thankful for now - being an outlaw and running Linux... Who'd a thought?
Isn't Open Office on windoze too? The last time I checked, moving to the open doc format didn't mention anything about requiring all users to switch OS's...
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Is it me, or did the core of the christian religion just shoot them selves in the foot?
If they are saying that the book of Gensis is nothing more that a fictional tale about how the universe was created (for what ever reason), and that book is the basis for the rest of the old testimant (I mean it is the first book from Moses - are they saying he stretched/made up the truth? Was the great flood fictional?), which the new testimant is derived from (AFAIK) - wouldnt that mean that the entire bible (both old and new) are fictional tales??? In other words - isn't this a little like saying the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy is a true story but the "Hobbit" was fictional?
This doesnt sound to good for one of the (if not the) biggest religions in the world =(
This just goes to prove that old saying about the pen being mightier than the sword...
A bunch of paper pushing flunkies are destroying a nation with the worlds most powerful military...
Seriously though, I was in the IT industry for over a decade and I got out because of all this crap with patents, law suits and all around bs, I got into something that I thought would be fun and easy - 3D animation and story telling. In class they cram down your throat about story telling, read books, and watch movies for ideas. "Don't do a blatent copy kiddies, but get ideas and expend on them...", since that is now shot where do we get our ideas from, life? Oh wait, someones story on their life will be patented before I even get out of school!
Maybe I should just move to North Korea or something, atleast there I will be able to be creative for FREE!!!!
A guy plies his trade in a place where certain taxes apply and he has a problem with this? Since when did not having a physical presence in a place exempt you from from their laws?
What about construction workers, truck drivers or any other profession that actually are physically present (temporarily) in the state to do work, and actually do use everything that the government provides (police, roads, lighting, etc...) - the states dont hit them up for taxes...
I've been using Linux since the good old days of the 1.2.13 kernel, and I can adhere to the driver "hell". But, at least from my perspective it has seemed that (even lately) the driver hell I've had to go through has been with obscure or funky (aka cheap) hardware - the hardware that works great under Linux has always seemed to have a much longer life span and more quality than those that work half ass, or not at all...
Eaxmple - a few weeks ago I helped a friend in backing up and old NT box. She went out and bought a new fancy external DVD burners and the mooks she hired to do the job couldn't do it because NT didn't support USB. I brought over my trusty Knoppix CD, rebooted, and everything was recognized - and K3B burned the data on a DVD in about an hour (USB). Now who has the driver issues?
I would be sad to see in a few years that a 5 year old ThinkPad would be worth more than a brand new one...
For once, I think that this is a good idea... We all pay for the public schools, whether we like it or not (through taxes). When it comes to colleges, we pay it voluntarily - so we can obviously go there. If the school is below par, and the only one around - the consumer is the one who is screwed...
I agree that it was the fault of EDS... What I see as the overall issue here is that the EDS admins (incompitant or not) were ABLE to do this. For anyone who has tried to install/upgrade an rpm from one version of a particular Linux distro to an earlier version (or even the same version), knows (and has bitched to the heavens about it) about the endless amount of dependency errors that result - and would likewise prevent anything like this from happening.
This is very unfortunate that it happened (I would not want to be one of the ones not getting their money because of it), but on the flip side I see the humorous side of this in that everyone who uses linux has bitched about the dependency problem at one time or another (I know I have), and ironically this type of situation is why the dependency tree was invented.
Now, don't get me wrong, this STILL could have happened with Linux with poorly built RPM's with obviously no dependencies. Note that I equate official rpm's from the linux community (companies or groups) as the same thing as a patch from M$ - in other words the patch it self should never had been able to be installed on an incompatible system (aka unsatisfied dependencies), whether it was attempted or not.
And a situation arises where the endless amount of dependcies, that everyone bitches about on linux - are a GOOD thing!
If the same thing occured on a linux network - pushing out a patch for a system 2+ years newer onto an older system, there would be numerous, if not countless, dependency errors and likewise completely fail - that is the PATCHING/UPGRADE fail, not what unfortunately happened here...
Sorry, but this doesn't really make a lot of since to me... It seems to me that IF this were true then the NVIDIA installer would have seperate driver API's for the each version of the kernel - from what I understand they dont, they have seperate drivers for the 2.4.X and the 2.6.X series, meaning that obviously the 2.6 and 2.4 have seperate API's but the API's are the same in each *MINOR* version. Now, I also believe there is a feature in the kernel about "Module versioning" that allows you to load modules built for a previous kernel (MINOR versions), I've had to use this before - I also believe that the particular modules have to be compiled with this feature turned on in the first place. I am aware of failling modules due calling some obscure kernel routine - I believe NVIDIA gets around this by using the generic API and calling static routines in there closed source libraries that are later linked in... From my experience with closed source static binaries - the manufacturers are simply not taking time/care in doing it the right way - obviously NVIDIA is doing it the right way since there stuff always works.... JMO
it's trying to get consumers who bought a copy of Windows at the corner PC store to go back and demand a legit copy.
Don't know why, but I doubt this, I would guess it would be more like - M$ demanding that the end consumer give them $300 for a valid copy that they will gladly send them.
By pirating Windoze your just having to bow to the empire simply because of apps that are not able to run under Linux yet - if you are forced to bow in such a way, would you rather give them $300 in the process or just do it quetly?
Giving them the $$$ is supporting them - being forced to use their product (if you want to call it that), isn't neccisarily supporting them...
To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian...
Is the excitement here that Debian ran just fine on something so old, the great work from the developers of PearPC or what it takes to get an OS to take a week to boot?
Exactly... And to go one step farther, maybe I am missing something fundamentaly here, but these "byte-coded" languages can't "ask" for help unless they are already executing, and they are oboviously being executed via the platforms engine. This just doesn't make any since to me - I mean for an application to "ask" help from another app, it needs to have the ability process the responce, either the helping app will or wont help out. If the engine (the helper app in this case) isn't going to "help" out, it wont run?#!$?
This just doesn't make any since to me what so ever. SUN must have laughed at this case and not really put much effort into deffending itself and likewise lost.
"...which don't help the children at all."
Your right - it doesn't help the children all that much... It helps the parents in raising their children the way they want/should be - if something has been banned/tightly moinitored, then that is one less thing we have to worry about in what is correct/right/wrong when society floods them with ideas to the contrary.
So why not pollute the stream a bit? Loose some code, and see where it turns up over the next 5 or so years? With any luck, it'll turn up somewhere...
Makes me wonder if they had anything to do with the stolen/leaked Win2k code a while back...
Well, I can say from experience that non-geek users install Linux because of the security (virii,worms,spywayre,etc..) and Windoze simply not working right. My mom's computer was recently infested with 1/2 dozen viruses before she realized it, and when she did she was pissed about it. I walked her through installing GenToo over the phone, when KDE was finally up and running she kept repeating the same words - "cool", "wow", "oh, neat!". All she know about the command line, is "emerge -s [insert app name]" and "emerge [insert app name]", she is in love with it! I've introduced another girl in my class to Linux via, Knoppix and going to help her install GenToo also - she is installing Linux because for what ever reason ME doesn't like her new DSL and simply will not work - she gets the famous blue screen all the time. She's on an older computer and can't afford a $1,000+ for a new version of windoze plus the hardware - Linux to save the day!
It's not email but how about all of their advertising that they would rather their customers see instead of a usable program guide? Atleast with email you can somwehat filter it out...
A few years ago when shopping for a laptop, I opted for shelling out a few grand for DELL's top end model (8900 or something). When I got everything - the first thing I did was whipe it, install Linux and then reinstalled XP - using all of the drivers and patches from their web site. Everything seemed to work except for the 3D acceleration (it worked under Linux). I called tech support, explained to the guy what was going on and he opted to tell me to DEFRAG my hard drive?!?!?!
I returned the DELL laptop, and purchased a toshiba at CompUSA...
From the article, this investigation started 2 years ago - seemingly consequential with when the RIAA lawsuits started their civil suits against Grandma, Grandpa and little Suzie. I would assume that this 50m was placed in the category of overall profit - however "technically" tied up.
Although this "music industry" attorney came forward - that doesn't mean that he was with the RIAA. If he was with the RIAA - why would we have to go to State to get things resolved? Especially since the letter gives off the impression that the RIAA was so willing to cooperate?
You make some good points - however, I need to also point out that their are some very big stickers on the bumper hitch that says very clearly how much it can tow, and likewise the safe way to do so - and ALSO the very dangerous and potential results of attempting the tow. Their is a large portion of the owners manual dedicated to this feat. From what I understand, if Ford and GM "didn't" put these notices on their vehicles they would get sued for negligence (IANAL) - "That's what it is there for your honor, I thought it would work - their was nothing that said it wouldn't!?!?!".
My main point here is that M$ has their ass completely covered with EULA - do you think there would be any vehicles sold if the manufacturer claimed indemnity due to flawed or negligent engineering? M$ is constantly getting dragged into court for their business practices, but NOT on their negligent or sloppy software - everything is blamed on the uneducated user, how far is that going to go?
With computers used everyday as much as the everyday car - when is the blame going to shift from the end user to those who create the car. The car should be ready to go off the lot, and last a lifetime as long as it is taken care of - there should not be numerous recalls to replace critical engine parts (patches), all there should be are simple oil changes and tuneups (file system cleanup, rebooting, etc..)
I've recently received a notice from GM about a recall concerning a faulty ignition switch that could conceivably catch on fire in the right situation. In corelation this could be seen the same as booting up my computer, and the operating system simply crashing (destroying all my data). The difference is that if the recall was never issued I could have sued GM if it ever happened to me, ie: faulty engineering (ever watch Fight Club for the reasons behind recalls? LOL) - according the EULA, it is my problem for installing the OS in the first place - which is the same as saying it was my fault for buying the car in the first place, regardless of the fact that GM used parts that simply would not hold up.
It's NOT the end users fault here... Was it the end "drivers" fault that Ford has installed faulty Firestone tires on their vehicles?
Regardless of any arguments with this, it boils down to that everyone drives cars and computers alike. Both the huge car manufacturers and software makers alike issue recalls and patches for their product - however, the software makers are largelybullet proof to any legal action because of the EULA and likewise little or no class action lawsuits are brought against them - they are essentially NOT responsible as they should be. One argument to this is that computers cant kill people like cars can - well not directly but an organization relying on computers for communication that is down and can't get help to someone that is in danger, can certainly kill someone - hence the computers and software can kill INdirectly. Just look at 911, and the UK coast guard that has gone down to this crap.
For the admin, the secondary damage is stopping the end users PC from rebooting it self constantly, quickly moving to the main problem when the single end user turns into the whole company.