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Mac OS X Panther On A 25MHz Centris 650
Currawong writes "danamania, well known for making the most of 68k Macs, has done the ultimate, and installed Mac OS X Panther on an old Centris with 68MB RAM, a 25MHz 68040 and 4GB drive - an early 90's machine with about the same power as a NeXT cube. To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian, resulting in a severe performance hit, as generic emulation runs "about 500 times slower" according to the developers. On this approximately 0.05MHz G3 speed emulator, the boot screen has taken 1.5 hours to appear, and the ETA for full boot is almost exactly 1 week! Regular updates are being posted as each milestone in the boot process is reached."
Drill baby drill - on Mars
I don't think I want to know what happens when you try to install or update fink on that machine...
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Still as good an excuse as ever. :)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
This one qualifies for the "Too Much Time on Their Hands Award".
the boot screen has taken 1.5 hours to appear, and the ETA for full boot is almost exactly 1 week!
Gee, sounds faster than my wife's ibook G3/900 with 128M of RAM! Maybe I should upgrade to this!
I had a windows system like that once.. But it wasn't emulated :-/
IMHO using an emulator is cheating. You're not really running it on the Centris. You're running it in a VM that is running on a Centris.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
to show herself what it's like running windows
This I guess is a nice accomplishment, but relatively useless
I sure hope the website isnt being hosted on it.
So how many centuries until we can see it finish loading OpenOffice for the Mac?
I tried to RTFA, but the site is gone... I already see obligatory "The site must be hosted on the said Centris, lmao", etc. As of the time of writing, I didn't see any comment...
It's that whole "because we can" thing. Someone has an old computer, and figured it'd be pretty funny to let OS X run on their ancient system.
Pretty pointless, I agree. But still sorta interesting...or at the least, funny that someone actually cares enough to invest the time in this.
I mean, I understand that it's super cool geeky and all to do this crap, but do we really need a story every time someone manages to run a modern OS on an old piece of shit computer?
Why not just do an end of the year round-up of all them at the same time, rather than 20 stories spread out over the year?
Is to emulate a Centris on your X-box.
That is impressive. And it probably even gets around Apple's BS EULA clause that claims you can only install OS X on Apple hardware.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
imagine a beowolf cluster of those...
if it crashed during boot up?
That they are hosting the website on this machine, too!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
If "has done the ultimate" equates to "has smoked crack" then, sure, it's the ultimate.
Laws are for people with no friends.
When should we expect the OS X Sloth Preview (http://www.apple.com/macosx/sloth/) to come online?
That's more painful than watching James T. Kirk play a lawyer on TV.
I don't know, but I want to marry her.
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"I tried to RTFA, but the site is gone... I already see obligatory "The site must be hosted on the said Centris, lmao", etc. As of the time of writing, I didn't see any comment..."
Wait two weeks. The first letter should appear.
BS? Isn't that what saved them back when ppc clones were killing their business?
Why does Slashdot keep covering people who waste time installing PearPC and OSX on various already-incredibly-slow pieces of aging hardware? Is Slashdot really this hard up for quality story material?
Getting a web server to run on an Atari 800 is kind of cool. Modding a Roomba to deliver your Dr Pepper is nifty. Getting OSX to run on the slowest piece of hardware you can get Linux to run on is tired and boring.
Don't make me start reading CNN for my news.
That's the stupidest thing I've read all day long. And I've been reading POLITICS all day long.
VT has officially got the BigMac up and running faster than ever at 12.25TF with 1150 dual 2.3Ghz XServes.
Check out the announcment.
I wonder how many Centrises that equates to...
"The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
...it's still better than Windown XP.
Tom Geller
And I thought I was bad...
Of course, people always ask "Does this have any practical use?"
Absolutely not. But that it not the point. In The Real World imagination and creativity are the driving force. How do you foster that? By challenging yourself and inspiring others. There does not have to be any realistic application as much as there needs to be a thought process behind it that can be capitalized on in the future. Experiments such as this drive the imagination and the mind into new directions and those new paths we explore can lead to really, really utterly brilliant things that can have a profound effect on our lives.
In school, a teacher once told me "Answers don't really matter at all. The process you use to reach your conclusions is the most important thing in the world." It blew my little mind open to the true nature of creativity and for the first time I valued it in a way that was truly profound.
OSX load journal: Day 6: Power outage.
I mean really, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don't go around killing people just because I can. I go around killing people because it makes my dick hard.
To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian...
Is the excitement here that Debian ran just fine on something so old, the great work from the developers of PearPC or what it takes to get an OS to take a week to boot?
I'll donate my Quadra 840AV. 40 MHz, bay-bee! Ought to be able to get the boot time down to about 4.5 days with that!
Constitutionally Correct
I hope the power doesn't blink.
Watch as danamania gets a whole lot of new slashdot friends just because she's a girl...
I know I added her to my friend list.
Ok off-topic but I thought it was funny.
Nothing is imposible after all...now wake me up when they get it to work on a mac plus.
Tomorrow's Tuesday, wait to post the Apple news then...
What is next? Stage1 Gentoo install?
ha ha ha ha ha ha, they should have used a 840AV, and got an FPU included in the box and 40MHz, (80MHz in PC speak)
There was an unknown error in the submission.
I'm sure I have the same question as every other slashdoter out there...
Are you single?
That's almost as long as it'll take their webserver to return a page during the slashdotting :)
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Relating this to the previous article on the Spectrum machines - one nifty aspect of those "ancient" computers was that if (or better: when) the computer crashed, you just flicked the power off, then on, and you were back in business (ok, back to square one) in a second. Contrast that to the lengthy startup time of modern computers.
Computers are getting faster and faster, and yet boot time remains too long. Imagine doing the opposite - running early OSs on modern hardware. Startup should be fast, software execution should be a blaze.
And hey, old software or not, I did plenty of good work on a Centris. And it was the most advanced computer at the time...
I don't know if any of you have ever had to work on that 650 chasis, but it's a fucking bitch to deal with. The undercarriage is where the hard drive lives, and it's bolted to the outside, so actually accessing the bay it lives in is an act in near futility.
And they kept that damn chasis around until the 7100's...
Truly, an amazing feat to deal with that obnoxious piece of design.
Oh, and the sharpened metal edges inside the case are murder on the knuckles.
Don't Crease the Weasel!
That has to be excruciatingly slow, even getting that set up and the software installed. A week to boot? I hope they didn't have to compile the kernel for that particular processor... What version of Debian is it, 0.01?
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't
It'd be like a giant electrical black hole!
If someone trips over the power cord, or the power goes out, does she have the patience to start over?
So the G3 Emulates at 50Khz with PearPC. Bet she wishes she could have used Cherry OS!
"It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
I feel sorry for people who bitch about how this has no "practical" use. I can't help thinking they're the same ones who walk into art museums and make winning comments like "pfff, I could do THAT..."
vk.
... and is hosting the webpage linked in the article... because the server is that slowww....
;-)
It would be funny if they install SETI@Home, and that weak machine finds ET's signal...
oh how the AMD kiddies will cry.
Can CherryOS emulate it?
Its running on pearPC..
Its just a emulator.. it doesn't change the fact you are NOT I repeat NOT running OSX on pre G3 hardware.. You are pretending you are..
Now, that said, *great* credit goes to the pearPC guys for their work.. But please.. get the damned stories right...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
...but not intentionally. A friend of mine once called me over to his shop to check out his new IBM PC 286 clone and a clone-PostScript laser printer. You can tell this was a LONG time ago. I fired up Corel Draw and did a few odd things, like a PostScript pattern fill inside a clipping path. I sent it to print and nothing happened. It was 5PM on Friday, he said he never turns off his computers, so we just left it running and left for the weekend.
On monday morning, I got an excited phone call from my friend, the page had just popped out of the printer! That means the print job ran on the laser printer's processor for about 2.5 days.
Show me OS X running on my palm IIIx and I will bow down and worship you.
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i'm having trouble understanding how OS X can run on a 68040. i'm not super familiar with that chip, but i assume that, being an older cpu, it has a subset of the instruction set available on the G5, kind of like a 386 is a subset of a p4 or athlonXP. if it is a subset, and therefore does not have all the instructions of a G5, how can OS X, which as far as I know can only be obtained as binaries, run on the 68040?
I run OSX 10.2.8 and 9.2 using MOL at the same time running Yellowdog Linux as my VM host. My 400mhz G3 workstation has 384mb RAM. The 20 and 10 gb "drives" are actually disk images that are served up via NFS from an AMD 900mhz Slackware Linux box saturating an overwhelmed switched 100mbit LAN. The Mac VMs never know that they are "just another job" in top.
You don't even want to know what my VMs are like in the x86 world.
As far as that 650, well I never loved a mac more than the old Quadras I had. I miss those pizza boxes. Those machines ran OS 7.x just fine, but that is where it stopped IMHO.
That user has got a lot of guts. =)
Seriously guys. There's something like 5 Apple posts per day. And they're mostly along the line of "Apple user does something senseless - let's think about it!"
Ooo oo! Mac IIci owner removed floppy drive and installs it on his G5 desktop! We need a thread!
From an admiring fan with his own Mac SE/30 (68030) w/ 128 MB of RAM running Debian (hey, it makes a GREAT web server).
That's nothing.
When my port of Linux on an Abacus is complete, I shall hold the true crown of new stuff on old shit geekiness! (Though, I wonder if people are going to say I cheated because I had to overclock it a little, and I added a few more beads to increase bandwidth.)
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
...she's the greatest karmawhore ever or being a girl suddenly makes all your comments go "+5 wanna date me"
Panther on a computer only slightly more powerful than my TI-89. This may be the ultimate "because it's there" story.
:P
For the next trick I'd like to see this thing running windows, using qemu, inside panter.
What? You mean it would take a year to load? Damn.
Only in a Slashdot fantasy can a Slackware install turn into several hours of sex . . . . .
one....a two....three *crash*
three
The first thing we do is have the customer reboot the computer. If they are really annoying we can then ask for personal time a week from now.
...so does that mean it automatically gets an "uptime" of 150 hours? that is stability, baby!
Why not?
AccountKiller
It "gets around" the clause by virtue of the fact that a Centris is Apple hardware.
Takes a week to load? Sounds like my old M.E. machine.
No, he is bad.
I never once managed to work on one of those machines without bleeding. Those and the 8100/8500 (take the whole fucking thing apart to add RAM! yay!) cases were the absolute worst that Apple ever produced.
Luckily, someone at Apple finally woke up and realized how terrible their cases were, and the very next generation of Power Macs (the 72/73/75/76 and 8600) were the complete opposite, a total joy to work with.
This one qualifies for the "Too Much Time on Their Hands Award".
Mac Centris 650's have been nominated for this award for years. Perhaps this will be enough to help them win this year.
I was about to ask "why bother," when I realized that I had spent quite a few hours today figuring out how to code an app to send keypress events to an NES emulator in order to automate the levelling up process in a copy of the Japanese Final Fantasy II that's been translated to English by some good samaritans.
:)
Hurray for geeks
ASCII manga?
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Even if the jury is still out about whether emulation is cheating, someone with access to a 50mhz mac could possibly have this thing booted in three and a half days...
I started to, but it'll take me 52.6 years to finish imagining it.
"...is almost exactly..."
i always wonder behind the validity of this phrase. If it's not exactly a specific value, then it is not exact. I guess it's just one of those things.
yes yes i know off-topic, but i can't be the only one who's ever thought about it.
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Hmm, which will take longer to load? The OS or the website?
...you wanna b0rk your penis plugging it on ... err ... slot?
Your head a splode
For funsies, today my officemate and I were playing with an old Classic we found in storage, tricked out with 10MB RAM, 250MB hard drive, and running Photoshop 3.0, Pagemaker 5.0, etc. and some old games downloaded from UMich's archives.
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While they may be misleading, Apple did say it wont run on anything earlier then a G3 ( i forget which model of G3).
.. but nothing to lose by trying.. )
I've been wanting to try it on my old 6100 for fun... Perhaps its worth a go to see how slow it is... ( yes i realize its a nubus, not pci
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Guess we finally figured out what hardware Google's been hosting Orkut on.
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There are new instructions on 486+ CPUs that are not supported on the 386. Instructions like cmpxchg8, for example. Some of these can be worked around (cmpxchg8 is used for data moving, and you can "fake it" for the locking involved with more computationally expensive instructions), but some of them cannot, and either way would require extensive work in the lowest level functions of the kernel to match the differences in the design.
That's why most new packages you see are i486; they use instructions Intel added to the ISA when they released the 486.
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What's wrong with Marathon and Spectre? That's why I'm keeping around a couple of my beige Macs - a Q840AV and G3/300 to be exact. There a dozens of fan-made Marathon scenarios I have yet to play. In terms of storyline and gameplay I still think the Marathon series was the best FPS I've ever seen.
Constitutionally Correct
I though I was bad having a PowerMac 8500 and Quadra. Someone needs to have a life and need to clean out their house/garage/storeroom. Speaking of cleaning up, do you want my Quadra?
Linux on modern hardware runs AT LEAST twice as fast.
In the early 1980's Forrest Howard and I produced a simulator for a PDP-10 that ran on a PDP-11 (a 36 bit machine on an 16 bit machine for those of you lacking historical context). We are talking multi-megabytes of mainframe memory simulated on a machine with 2 megabytes of memory. Yes it took a long time to run a program, but if the figures documented in the article are accurate then the programmers involved ought to be put out to pasture since they are dealing with machines with relatively the same capabilities.
If only she'd have used her powers for good instead of evil...
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You've achieved what they've been aiming for for years!
What kind of UPS would you need?
Do your best, hope for the best, suspect the worst.
Hey, I just had a flash! Why not emulate a 12.5Ghz 68040? Then it would run at regular 68040 speeds!
It's NOT an early 90's machine. The CPU might be, but it should have around 4-8 MB RAM and a couple of hundred, maybe 100-200 MB of disk space if it was supposed to be an early 90's PC.
it probably boots faster than Gentoo compiles :P
that this guy goes homicidal if his power goes out on Sunday night.
LK
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Slashdot has always covered stories about insane/inane hacks. In fact I think its hard to find any "quality story material" on /. Try "quit slashdot.org" at www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/slashdot.htm l
No, simulate a beowulf cluster on it.
I consider it good news that the OS X core will have a long lifespan and get better in the future.
Try running any other OS on an older computer, via emulation or not. Yes they could have been faster and better for specific tasks/hardware, but as computers get more common (e.g. new users) the need for flexiblilty/commonality will be more important. That's why we all still use a No. 2 pencil!
I found the 650 a whole lot easier than many Compaq boxes. It was also very solid and sturdy. An obnoxious design would be something that breaks often and easily. Perhaps by Mac standards it was difficult, but there is much worse in the PC world
Well, its certainly interesting. I can't imagine trying to download porn.
http://www.macinhack.com
This is an excellent demonstration of the Church-Turing hypothesis.
:)
Boiled down, it basically states that any computer can emulate any other.
GJC
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## Chief Maintainer for GNUstep
No really, I do. Maybe i just increased my nerd factor exponentially, but there is something to be said for a OS that's boot from a machine with 64mb of ram. OSX whole claim to fame is it's stability.
It's NOT an early 90's machine. The CPU might be, but it should have around 4-8 MB RAM and a couple of hundred, maybe 100-200 MB of disk space if it was supposed to be an early 90's PC.
Yes it is.. the Centris machines were all released in 1993. They shipped with around 4mb of RAM and 120 or 240mb HDs (and a CD-ROM, if you were feeling rich), if I recall. Obviously its been upgraded, but that doesn't mean its not an early 90s machine.
Cool! This will be useful for when I have to VNC from a black hole.
Seriously, one time me and my buddy got high and compiled a pdp11 emulator and ran AT&T Version 6 Unix on... get this... A Sun SparcStation IPC.
/usr on the disk image. Pre-K&R C, using stuff like =+ instead of +=... We were laughing our asses off. Not sure now why it was so funny...
The box has 24MB of RAM, a 25MHz SPARC CPU, and a 411MB SCSI disk. I think the pdp11 we setup had 256k words (512kb) of ram. PDP11 Unix took a long time to boot too, around 15 minutes. Pegged the real cpu at 99% the whole time the emulator was running. For comparison, booting was instantaneous on a 2.4 GHz Xeon.
The part that was really funny was when we found the source code sitting in
Btw, it was running on NetBSD 1.6.1/SPARC...
Hey it was funny to us... Tell me you haven't done anything stupid when you were high!
Microsoft will hold this up as an example of how much faster Windows is than Linux...or at least how much faster it reboots.
Actually I beleive the difference between Centris and Quadra was more marketing than technology. They were essentially the same machine. Boot times on the 68xxx apples could be improved by putting system files on a ram disk, which was a virtual disk maintained by AppleRom. Great featuer
that was his point
That doesn't mean the license clause isn't BS.
Hah!
0.05Mhz? That's just plain speedy. I'd like to see them do what I did: Run it on a 0Mhz processor:
does 2 extra rows of beads make it IPV6 ready ;-)
subject: you sick fuck
data: you are my hero. keep it up!
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Why bother.
And it came with a whopping 8 megs of ram, and an 80 MB hard drive. Then I got a 100 meg zip drive so I could have more room... Had lots of fun downloading pr0n files from a unix account that gave access to usenet via gopher. Using a 14.4k z-modem connection and pasting uuencoded segments together with MS Word, uudecoding the pasted together jpeg file, the reward for 45 minutes downloading was illicit jack off material. For a 15 year old that looked 13, it was easier than buying a magazine. What a teenager will do for jack off material..... Still, I could read alot of the alt.sex.stories while I waited for the images to download... The centris was a 68040. 20-ish mhz? Never heard of a 68040 w/64 megs of ram and a 4 gig hard drive...
Eat at Joe's.
If my calculations are correct then when you run another Debian emulated on top of the Mac OS X Panther, which itself runs under PearPC on the underlying Debian, then when you run apt-get dist-upgrade there is already a new stable version of Debian released.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
It is interesting to note that 0.05MHz = 50kHz which means that you can basically use your powerline socket as a cheap source of clock signal connected directly to your CPU. Be careful with 60Hz overclocking, though. Also, watercooling such a setup is generally not recommended.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Know what I do with a Centris? I play Tetris!
I somehow think running OS X on an iPod would be more useful. Besides, how big were the hard drives back when the Centris machines were out? Certainly no bigger than 500MB. Did they even get up to 128MB of RAM?
I'll say it again:
You've got issues with your Win2K install.
I have Win2k running on:
Pentium 133/80megs
K6-III 450/320megs
PIII 400/192megs
Pentium 200/64megs
ALL are VERY usable, and only the P200/64 uses swap in daily use (web/mail/word.)
You're the bigest joke on the Internet
I could back up your whole hard drive on a floppy diskette.
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Because you know Latin, or because you know your Monty Python. Never be embarrassed for knowing your Monty Python.
The Centris used the 68040LC processor (with no floating point unit); the Quadra used the full-fledged '040.
Amazing, overclocking finally makes sense! Overclocking the Centris could cut a day and a half off the boot time! Beat that AMD and Intel boyz!
Ah. But what devine madness tis. Onward lads! Into the dark! (smiles and imagines that bouncy young woman from 1984)
I did.
because
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is the magic number.
with similar benchmarks!
This
That's excellent.
When you get tired of squinting at it, Exposé comes in very handy for scaling it down.
Heh. They just captured R2D2.
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
The 610 had a 25Mhz chip. And, yes, 8MB RAM and an 80MB HD were standard, but this beast could take up to 68MB of RAM (64 via SIMM, 4 on board) It will take any SCSI drive, as long as it has a 50-pin connector. (I have an even more ancient circa-1989 SE/30 with 128MB of RAM, and a 9GB (10,000 RPM, even,) drive in it running Debian.)
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
In addition, during this file transfer, Safari will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Textedit is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various OS X machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a OS X machine that has run faster than its Contiki counterpart, despite the thousands of lines of code stolen from Windows Longhorn. My Tandy 102 with 32k of ram and MS BASIC runs faster than this 25 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that OS X is a superior OS.
OS X addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use OS X over other faster, cheaper, more stable OSes.
I have been using Debian for years on my Amiga3000, 030/25, 16MB Fast-RAM, CL5424-Gfx-Board, 1GB-SCSI-HD.
:-)
It runs acceptable and you can actually use some modern software instead of waiting a week to boot.
I should finally try Firefox and Thunderbird on that old rusty ship
"Life is short and in most cases it ends with death." Sir Sinclair
So now we finally discover why the Earth supercomputer took billions of years to (almost) complete the program before it was demolished to make way for a hypergalactic expressway ...
Quote from a windows user waiting for it to boot: "The first ten million years were the worst,and the second ten million years, they were the worst too. The third million years I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of decline."
For the same reason that I installed the Intel version of Rhapsody on VPC 3 running on my 200MHz 8600, just to see
*ducks*
*runs*
*trips over a box full of one-button mice*
*gets up and continues running*
This seems like a logical candidate for an RSS feed. Maybe once or twice a week there could be an update (ie. "Configuring Network").
cheers. :)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
I'd hit it with a wiffle ball bat.
*sigh*
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
What kind of OS would require a full week to boot on CURRENT hardware...
Oh yeah. It's called Longhorn.
Weeks of coding saves hours of planning.
I admit, after I read the article, I turned my head towards my old Amiga sitting lonely in the corner which was humming along while idling in the m68k -linux kernel, hmmm.... OS-X?
Then I turned back, "nah..., I got other things to do." (I swear that I heard a relieved "phew..." just then)
I had an english paper to write on a 286 running win 3.1 it was due the next day. Sent all 20 pages to the ancient dot matrix printer. Thought I'd come out fine as it was 3 am and school didn't start until 7:45 am. So I sat and waited as the hours went by. It finally finished with the last page at 3 pm. Why, I don't know. Never knew if it was a hardware problem ( the hardrive controller was on the fritz), the software ( el cheapo bargin bin $5 Easy Working Word Processor), the Printer Cable ( are the individual wires in a parallel cable supposed to be exposed without insulater?) or printer. Luckily I got an extention. But Believe me that whole computer system paid for its insolence at a later date. Everclear has to be the coolest thing ever.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
the *other* windows developer trying to use 1.02/.03
was...
Titor The Time Traveler
I'm on the run... the cop got my gun... but right about now it's time to have some FUN!
/just saw the Beastie Boys on Saturday.
Program Intellivision!
This is an especially relevant accomplishment for the thousands of people, like myself, who have been using LI/Unix on Macintosh hardware for the last 8 or so years. Historically, there has been a huge dividing line over which few Linux distros crossed. In fact, none did. AIX (not Linux), A/UX (also not linux), NetBSD and MkLinux were the only things you could ever run on the nubus Macs. This included the early powerPC and also 68k hardware. Then the PCI powermacs came out and all the Linux distros like Yellow Dog, SuSE, and the such were ported. But MkLinux and the nubus BSD stuff never came accross this chasm to PCI, nor did the PCI Linux distros backport to nubus. Interest in the nubus distros diminished on the development front because coders wanted to apply their time and skills to working on the distros running on the faster hardware. And of course, Apple was never going to waste a penny of development on getting Mac OS X to run on hardware that didn't mean new hardware sales.
So to those of us who can remember the brick wall of owning nubus hardware and wanting to run a modern Unix on it, this is an astonishing moment.
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
erm... whatever...
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I'm pretty sure the CD ROM was standard. Apple made a big push for CD ROM as standard equipment around this time. Today it's almost hard to believe that it was cutting about a dozen years ago.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
imagine a beowulf cluster of these...
open source is a cancer (steve ballmer) we love open source (steve jobs)
the man is right, help prevent misinformation from spreading, we get enough of that from CNN and Faux News
Ubber geek points for actually doing this, now we just need to get it running directly [without emulation] on a nice opteron box and watch the x-serves cough in our dust :\
I've got a Centris sitting around somewhere (610 I think) with a blank faceplate over the 5-1/4" bay, so they were definately available without. I'm fairly certain the CD-ROM was standard with the first gen PPCs though.
The process - albeit pokey - ran flawlessly, and was used as a backup to the crap Comm library we'd bought to do it within FoxBase. Yes, I said FoxBase. Pre-M$.
Fond Memories Indeed.
To be also noted was that the same script choked on a 286-12 clone when deployed onsite at the fuel company's site, so it was back to the coding room...got it working somehow.
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Instead of booting OS X on an emulator, the real trick would be to get NeXTstep booting native using OpenDarwin on a 68040 Mac. I'll bet it'll run faster than OS X did on my 7500.
No no no no no,
What you want is:
OS X - in PearPC - In Dreamcast Linux - On Chankast!
oh screw it, run it on a 386dx/33
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Points for the most pointless geek project of all time? I think next month they should try and overclock it. With all the latest heat-sink technology you could probably get that OSX atleast as usable as the average XP machine with tons of spyware.
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I'd like to see a test of running System 6 in emulation on a G5 to see how FAST it is.
demonstrates the never ending stupidity of mac lusers
610 can have up to 132Mb of ram - 4 onboard+2*64Mb. It works, i have an 100Mb (4+64+32) Quadra 610 at home happily running A/UX.
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No.
Another story about how slow those Apples are!
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Worse, it appears to be a perl script. I don't know if it actually works though, I'm afraid to test it out.
I read the internet for the articles.
Using iceWM on my SE/30 (NetBSD) is tolerable for light work. Mostly I just have a couple xterms open (they nearly overlap on the tiny screen) so I generally use screen/dt instead and skip X. Blackbox might have shown a bit of an improvement but I couldn't get the latest version to compile.
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The C610 had a 20MHz LC040, the C650 used a 25MHz full '040.
All the Quadras used the full '040 except the Q605 and Q630, which used 25MHz and 33MHz LC040s respectively.
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Ah, that's right. For some reason, I thought it only had one RAM slot.
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
Oh, really? Than you should think about this:
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters. Hopefully my explanation will dilute those "junk characters" and will let me post this comment. It's interesting that this lame filter stops me from quoting programs but doesn't stop anyone from posting full-screen ASCII-art swastikas and pornography. But anyway...
Thanks to the Inline module, it is possible to include fragments of C code in Perl programs. You can write part of your Perl program in C (for example one speed-critical subroutine) and it is automatically compiled to native binary machine code and linked as a shared object (see this comment of mine and read the paragraph starting from "Actually, inlining other languages..."). CPR stands for "C Perl Run." From the description:
In other words, CPR program is a C program which is run by Perl, just as if it was a C code inlined in a Perl program.
Now, in this case, the C program I quoted (which is itself run by Perl), includes a Perl code inlined in C by CPR_eval(). What is inside that inlined Perl code is an inlined C code (use Inline...) which is a C function greet() that returns a C pointer to C string "Hello world". The next part of the original (outermost) C program is a C printf() function printing two C strings. Those C strings, arguments to printf(), are returned by two invocations of CPR_eval(), both of which inline Perl code. The second one just returns Perl interpreter version, but the first one is more interesting. The first CPR_eval() returns a C string to printf() which is converted from a Perl string returned by the Perl code inlined in that CPR_eval(), which is a call to Perl greet() subroutine which was defined earlier by the C function inlined in the Perl code inlined in the C code by the first CPR_eval() invocation. It all happen inside a C main() fu
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It's been one week since you booted me,
Flipped the switch and disk spinning
Five days since the startup screen,
Progress meter slow-oh-ly filling
Three days since the screen turned blue...
You thought this was Windows, Ha! I fooled you.
Yesterday, you stayed up waiting for me
But you're crazy if you think you're playing Quake 3.
You're correct, I think. You jogged my memory, and I remember that on the Centris 610s we had at work, there was no CD-ROM. Shortly thereafter, I bought a Centris 650 that I thought came with the CD ROM as standard, but I'm probably not remembering correctly.
Shit. . . I'm trying to picture those 610s in my mind to confirm, and I'm having trouble. I did a lot of drugs in those days. Let that be a lesson to you kids!
Maybe it was the Performa my sister bought about a year later that had the CD ROM as standard. Well, whatever. Thanks for the correction.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Now if she could somehow find a distro of Linux that runs on an Apple ][e, somehow compile PearPC for the 6502, and run OS X on *that*, then I would be truly impressed. :) Since the 6502 runs at 1MHz, we're talking 0.002MHz or a 2 *KiloHertz* G3, so it would probably take years to boot....
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
Now how long until that machine is on the internet?
she will boot it on a TRS-80!
The excitement comes from "she's"
nuff said
Is there an "operating system" that's developed specifically for abacuses?
I mean specific methods/modes of operation. Good abacus "software".
Zzz. Boring story, boring idea in the first place.
Mainly web development (which is about as far from event-driven GUI stuff as is possible - my college roomie veldrane is the game programmer). C, C++, J2EE. A little ASP thrown in. I always wanted to develop on the Mac, but never had time to dig into it. Finally sold my old (unused) dev tools about two years ago. Of course, my new OS X Mac has all the dev tools a guy could want.
I do own Irix and NetBSD boxen, though, if contributions of native builds on those platforms would be of interest. How hard has it been to build on multiple platforms?
Probably...
And since I sold my copy of CodeWarrior, I wouldn't be able to do it anymore.
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