It's rather clear that the intent was to stop him, not to determine his compliance with laws.
Something else worth considering is that the evidence on his computer equipment can be modified or erased. Once he knows they're on to him, if he still has access to his equipment, he can get to work covering his tracks. If the authorities don't seize the equipment, it becomes useless as evidence.
If you limit your customerbase to serious people, you won't go far.
Well, I've done OK so far. No company I have worked with in my 20 years in IT would every consider using gmail, or whatever freebie service this thread was about, for anything "serious".
Even if they were using some clever matching algorithm to identify identical big monkey files, the user would not benefit of this directly.
The clever algorithms are already in use in several commercial products.
But aside from that, I think you missed my point. Most email data is attachments, and most of that is duplicated many many times. If you can manage all that at the back end with single-instance storage, compression, smart software, and cheap disk, you can tell the user whatever you want in regards to how much space they have available to them. Although, you still do need limits to stop someone storing 50GB of crap on your server. So the "gradually increasing 2GB limit" on gmail is a good controlling mechanism, that coincidentally also works well as a marketing gimmick, making them look very generous:)
"In Australia I suppose its not only ok but ENCOURAGED by the media to be a crazy redneck shooting random wild animals?"
Well, yes the media will promote anything wacky, but is it any different in any other western country?
On the other hand, the culling of any non-native species, such as wild cats, that kill birds and disrupt the food supply of native predators, is generally encouraged. Many people here would even like to see domestic cats eradicated.
the earliest days of yahoo.com. I mean, that was what, 8 years, 10 years ago?
I recall browsing yahoo.com using the lynx text-based web browser via my 2400bps dialup to a shell account. That would have been about 1992 or 1993. At the time, yahoo was one of the best www directories around. But there were much better gopher directories. And most of the interesting content was on Usenet or FTP servers (I avoided IRC). I think yahoo was maintained by two guys.
The first web-based email that I knew of was HoTMaiL. I really thought the concept was cool - providing email via HTML - and liked how they tied HTML into the name. I got on early enough to get my_name@hotmail.com. But I abandonded that address long ago due to spam overload.
Thus endeth my history lesson:) I agree with you that gmail is is very useful.
But a lot of people send big attachments to each other - important statistical data, source code for large programs and of course funny films with monkeys.
Anyone who's using these free email services to send "important" data around such as source or statistcal data is surely not serious.
Aside from that, I imagine (but don't know) that they are using some kind of content management storage system at the back end with hashing on the attachments, so that they only have to store one copy of "funny film with monkeys.wmv" rather than 20,000.
It's "rIdiculous".
And "...even more so when THEY'RE being dicks".
(Sorry, don't take it personally. I've never been a spelling nazi before, but you hit 2 of my 3 pet peeves in one line. At least you didn't do the lose/loose thing.)
MTBF isn't a particularly useful spec for home users. But it's certainly relevant to businesses who purchase disk arrays that can contain hundreds or even thousands of disks.
You're right. The conversation made little sense to me, and I'm Australian.
I get the feeling we're seeing just remnants of conflicts these two have had in the past. As you say, the blonde thing came out of nowhere. Also, the 'as you would say "BYE!"'.
Somebody else already mentioned that "kitchen not doing dinner" seems to indicate that they usually have a kitchen cooking meals for evening workers, but not that night.
(OK, I've wasted more than enough brain cells on this matter now.)
Indeed. I have what I believe is the original email in my inbox, after many many forwards. The version linked in the GP post has all the names changed, and the floor number is different.
Really, I think there's been a major over reaction to this. Not to sound sexist, but don't some women just do this kind of thing? (I did say *some*)
Looking at my version of the email, one of the original women (the one with the better grasp of typing in coherent English) was secretly forwarding the emails to about 5 or 6 others in the same company. One of these people forwarded it outside the company, and it spread like wild-fire from there.
If anyone should be reprimanded, it's probably the guy who sent it outside the company.
Wow, look at what my country gets into the news for these days. I'm so proud.
old 3270 based interface...
Well it's been usable enough for bank tellers, airline booking agents, data entry clerks, call center operators, etc etc, for decades.
I think it just depends on what you're used to. I touched my first 3270 terminal on my first day of employment in 1990. It took maybe 2 or 3 hours to work out the difference between RETURN and ENTER, and what the ATTN and RESET key do.
I now mainly work with UNIX variants. Give me a 3270 over a VT100 any day. (Press L to move the cursor right? - What?!?!):)
And I still think ISPF is the most veratile text editor I've ever used.
My Linksys NSLU2 has a 133Mhz CPU, 8MB of Flash and 32MB of SDRAM.
It currently runs thttpd as a web server (it can run apache), a SAMBA server, an ftp server, and ccxstream to stream media to my X-Box. Admittedly the web server might struggle if more than a couple of users access it at once, but it suits my needs.
And I don't need to plug it into the USB port of a "real" PC to make it go.
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It's rather clear that the intent was to stop him, not to determine his compliance with laws.
Something else worth considering is that the evidence on his computer equipment can be modified or erased. Once he knows they're on to him, if he still has access to his equipment, he can get to work covering his tracks. If the authorities don't seize the equipment, it becomes useless as evidence.
If you limit your customerbase to serious people, you won't go far.
:)
Well, I've done OK so far. No company I have worked with in my 20 years in IT would every consider using gmail, or whatever freebie service this thread was about, for anything "serious".
Even if they were using some clever matching algorithm to identify identical big monkey files, the user would not benefit of this directly.
The clever algorithms are already in use in several commercial products.
But aside from that, I think you missed my point. Most email data is attachments, and most of that is duplicated many many times. If you can manage all that at the back end with single-instance storage, compression, smart software, and cheap disk, you can tell the user whatever you want in regards to how much space they have available to them. Although, you still do need limits to stop someone storing 50GB of crap on your server. So the "gradually increasing 2GB limit" on gmail is a good controlling mechanism, that coincidentally also works well as a marketing gimmick, making them look very generous
Um, it's not only Americans who make jokes about that. There's no reason to single them out. (I'm Australian)
"In Australia I suppose its not only ok but ENCOURAGED by the media to be a crazy redneck shooting random wild animals?"
Well, yes the media will promote anything wacky, but is it any different in any other western country?
On the other hand, the culling of any non-native species, such as wild cats, that kill birds and disrupt the food supply of native predators, is generally encouraged. Many people here would even like to see domestic cats eradicated.
the earliest days of yahoo.com. I mean, that was what, 8 years, 10 years ago?
:) I agree with you that gmail is is very useful.
I recall browsing yahoo.com using the lynx text-based web browser via my 2400bps dialup to a shell account. That would have been about 1992 or 1993. At the time, yahoo was one of the best www directories around. But there were much better gopher directories. And most of the interesting content was on Usenet or FTP servers (I avoided IRC). I think yahoo was maintained by two guys.
The first web-based email that I knew of was HoTMaiL. I really thought the concept was cool - providing email via HTML - and liked how they tied HTML into the name. I got on early enough to get my_name@hotmail.com. But I abandonded that address long ago due to spam overload.
Thus endeth my history lesson
But a lot of people send big attachments to each other - important statistical data, source code for large programs and of course funny films with monkeys.
Anyone who's using these free email services to send "important" data around such as source or statistcal data is surely not serious.
Aside from that, I imagine (but don't know) that they are using some kind of content management storage system at the back end with hashing on the attachments, so that they only have to store one copy of "funny film with monkeys.wmv" rather than 20,000.
Arrgh!
It's "rIdiculous".
And "...even more so when THEY'RE being dicks".
(Sorry, don't take it personally. I've never been a spelling nazi before, but you hit 2 of my 3 pet peeves in one line. At least you didn't do the lose/loose thing.)
MTBF isn't a particularly useful spec for home users. But it's certainly relevant to businesses who purchase disk arrays that can contain hundreds or even thousands of disks.
I just hope the company that makes this isn't the same company that makes their submarines.
... or the company that builds their nuclear power stations.
Oh, wait.
As long as you realise you're exposing internal email addresses from some of the top legal firms in Australia, on your personal ISP webspace.
You idiot.
Can someone please mod this down?
You're right. The conversation made little sense to me, and I'm Australian.
I get the feeling we're seeing just remnants of conflicts these two have had in the past. As you say, the blonde thing came out of nowhere. Also, the 'as you would say "BYE!"'.
Somebody else already mentioned that "kitchen not doing dinner" seems to indicate that they usually have a kitchen cooking meals for evening workers, but not that night.
(OK, I've wasted more than enough brain cells on this matter now.)
You just reminded me of the chicken curry I left in the office fridge when I was last there, over a week ago.
level 19 has become level 23
Indeed. I have what I believe is the original email in my inbox, after many many forwards. The version linked in the GP post has all the names changed, and the floor number is different.
Really, I think there's been a major over reaction to this. Not to sound sexist, but don't some women just do this kind of thing? (I did say *some*)
Looking at my version of the email, one of the original women (the one with the better grasp of typing in coherent English) was secretly forwarding the emails to about 5 or 6 others in the same company. One of these people forwarded it outside the company, and it spread like wild-fire from there.
If anyone should be reprimanded, it's probably the guy who sent it outside the company.
Wow, look at what my country gets into the news for these days. I'm so proud.
the compiler was in Norway with Jacques, the former IT developer, who returned to his family to work on their penguin conservation efforts
Ha, that's funny.
Maybe this is an example of why some corporations are apprehensive about relying on Linux.
simply get Redmond to lower their prices...
They were planning to replace UNIX servers with Linux.
In my experience, Linux is being pitched to replace Solaris, AIX and HP-UX, not Windows.
old 3270 based interface...
:)
Well it's been usable enough for bank tellers, airline booking agents, data entry clerks, call center operators, etc etc, for decades.
I think it just depends on what you're used to. I touched my first 3270 terminal on my first day of employment in 1990. It took maybe 2 or 3 hours to work out the difference between RETURN and ENTER, and what the ATTN and RESET key do.
I now mainly work with UNIX variants. Give me a 3270 over a VT100 any day. (Press L to move the cursor right? - What?!?!)
And I still think ISPF is the most veratile text editor I've ever used.
It's funny because it's true.
Do you really need the "it's funny-- laugh" tag to see when something is posted as a joke?
Well American sit-coms have been doing it for decades with their canned laughter tracks.
It would be cool to have a little app that reports the current Windows threat level.
The ISC "threat level" is available in a text feed, so this wouldn't be hard to do.
Because Japan is teh (insert Japanese equivalent of "super" here)AWESOME!
"SUPER-AWESOME!" sounds pretty Japanese to me.
I've been sorking in a pun in australia for a few years
For the benefit of the non-Australians in the audience, that's slang for "working in a pub".
My Linksys NSLU2 has a 133Mhz CPU, 8MB of Flash and 32MB of SDRAM.
It currently runs thttpd as a web server (it can run apache), a SAMBA server, an ftp server, and ccxstream to stream media to my X-Box. Admittedly the web server might struggle if more than a couple of users access it at once, but it suits my needs.
And I don't need to plug it into the USB port of a "real" PC to make it go.
no war
Oceania was at war with Eastasia.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Yeah, I learned this lesson with The Simpsons.
I paid $130 (Australian) for each of the 1st and 2nd series. Now I can get each of the first 5 series for $30 each.