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USB-Powered Linux Server Fits in Your Pocket

McSpew writes "A small company from Utah (no, not that one) has announced the BlackDog USB-powered Linux server. It includes a fingerprint reader, a 400MHz PowerPC, 64MB of DRAM and 256MB or 512MB of flash and it runs Debian. The host PC sees it as a CD-ROM drive."

252 comments

  1. yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Will it run FreeBSD?

  2. Wait wait wait... by PsychicX · · Score: 1

    It's seen as a CD ROM drive? Why? How does that even make sense? It's USB; shouldn't it mount through the OS's USB subsystems as a removable USB storage device?

    1. Re:Wait wait wait... by Klivian · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, since none or nearly none BIOS versions can boot from a USB storage device. It's used to boot a PC in server configuration, using the Debian on the USB device. No OS are needed on the machine which it is plugged in, so there is no OS suposed to be running an able to mount it.

    2. Re:Wait wait wait... by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      yup, there's that, and there's the question of why I even want or need another computer (at a $199 or $239 price tag) if it has to plug into another computer to be powered and used.

      Technology is letting us do lots of interesting things, but some people seem to skip asking if they should be done.

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    3. Re:Wait wait wait... by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What would be a common use of this? To quickly pull data off a machine that has a corrupted OS?

    4. Re:Wait wait wait... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's seen as a CD ROM drive? Why? How does that even make sense? It's USB; shouldn't it mount through the OS's USB subsystems as a removable USB storage device?

      My guess is that they have the USB info set so it will be recognized as a USB CD-ROM drive and so they can use Auto-start, if it's enabled, to run their software atomatically.

      What little I can gleam from the site tells me that it's the front-end for a bunch of webapps or something to allow you to work with a remote desktop on any web connection.

      But that's just a guess since the site is now hosed...

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    5. Re:Wait wait wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was able to see this device in action. Having it appear as as CDROM is so that windows will autoexecute a start up program. It uses that to get the interface running on the windows PC. After that connection is made it stops appearing as a CDROM and appears as a peer networked machine.

    6. Re:Wait wait wait... by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      Yeah, where "corrupted" means "not yet rooted".
      Heh.

    7. Re:Wait wait wait... by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 1

      It's probably just that i don't get your joke, but when i said "corrupted", i was referring to a Windows machine that wouldn't boot do to a driver or service pack issue. This would be a good quick tool to make sure you got critical data off of it before you start a reload.

      /Of course, critical data should be on the server
      //Of course, it usually isn't

    8. Re:Wait wait wait... by shakezula · · Score: 1

      While the thought of having a $xxx device around just to rescue a dead Windows pc intrigues me, I think any critical server system should/will have a backup system. As the article mentions, using it as a portable complete VPN solution is a much better use. It'd be akin to the SunRay system, but "take the whole system with you" kind of way. That way you can use the local peheriphreals anywhere with out having to pack around a laptop or PDA. As for the joke, google r00t3dz0rd and get the punchline.

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    9. Re:Wait wait wait... by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      Almost EVERY bios in the last 5 years can boot from USB. Including all three machines beside me (starting at a 2000 model)

    10. Re:Wait wait wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't boot the host machine (although it could do this). It displays its applications co-mingled with the already-running applications on the host system.

    11. Re:Wait wait wait... by psetzer · · Score: 1

      For Windows, it has to boot to the point that it can read from the CD drive and use the USB. On the other hand a Knoppix CD only requires that it reach the BIOS. What it can be used for is sort of a mystery. You can move your entire environment from computer to computer without needing to transfer files and the such, but it seems like a lot of trouble for transferrable sessions. In an organization, you'd more likely see something like Sun's Sunfire clients and the such. My best guess right now is a security fob for someone who's really paranoid.

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    12. Re:Wait wait wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please it's due not do.

    13. Re:Wait wait wait... by xchino · · Score: 1

      If your machines' BIOS don't have the ability to boot to USB storage, you're either running on pretty old hardware, or you really should look into a BIOS upgrade. I was able to update the firmware in four older machines (p2s from college dumpster) to get them to boot to USB. My main desktops motherboard (Soyo KT400) came with that ability (along with about 20 other boot possibilites, like zip, ls120, network, etc) and it's about three years old.

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    14. Re:Wait wait wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a wild guess, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

      That's how an external hard drive works. That's not what this is. Why would you need a 400 MHz PowerPC processor if you were running the OS on the host PC?

    15. Re:Wait wait wait... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1
      As for the joke, google r00t3dz0rd and get the punchline.

      r00t3dz0rd:
      Your search - r00t3dz0rd - did not match any documents.
      Either I don't get it or that's just not funny.

      Or did you just misspell your l33t? (And how would one tell?)
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    16. Re:Wait wait wait... by WhiskerTheMad · · Score: 1

      If your machines' BIOS don't have the ability to boot to USB storage, you're either running on pretty old hardware, or you really should look into a BIOS upgrade.

      Or you're running a brand-new Toshiba laptop that you'd like to boot Linux on.

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    17. Re:Wait wait wait... by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      You've got the idea, just substitute "wouldn't boot due to a driver or service pack issue" with "wouldn't boot because I don't have the necessary password". Boot an interloper OS, mount the filesystem, corrupt it in some way, unmount, reboot, "all your base are belong to yadda yadda yadda"...

  3. But how hard is it to install?? by darkonc · · Score: 1

    Gotta keep up that Microsoft FUD, you know....

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    1. Re:But how hard is it to install?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, it's Linux. So, according to Microsoft, installation of the Linux-related device will cause untold damage and destruction the likes of which has not been seen since the old testament. Plus, you might get a blue screen if you connect it to your Windows box. The blue screen has nothing to do with the device, you are using Windows after all, but Microsoft wanted you to be forewarned

    2. Re:But how hard is it to install?? by Pyrowolf · · Score: 1

      If you had watched the oh-so-dramatic videos, you would see that even John Lovitz can install it on a Windows PC just by plugging it in ;). Cmon, who doesn't want a device marketed by the likes of Gary Coleman. (Yes, I said Gary Coleman. Just watch the videos)

    3. Re:But how hard is it to install?? by Noogie+Brown · · Score: 0

      And what about the TCO?

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  4. Is that a Linux server in your pocket... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that a BlackDog 400Mhz USB-powered Linux server with 64Mb DRAM and 512Mb of flash in your pocket or are you just really really really happy to see me...

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    1. Re:Is that a Linux server in your pocket... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our new BlackDog 400Mhz USB-powered Linux server with 64Mb DRAM and 512Mb of flash overlords.

    2. Re:Is that a Linux server in your pocket... by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      I just know there has to be a really bad beastiality joke in there somewhere...

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  5. Can't Resist by wev162 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Is that a server in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

  6. Good but a few shortcomings by dysk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd buy one in a second if it had an ipod-style 30/40GB hard drive. With 512MB it doesn't offer me enough storage to be useful.

    1. Re:Good but a few shortcomings by York+the+Mysterious · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Their rep at Linux World said they were working with one of the mini HD vendors (I really can't remember which) and the vendor kept dragging their feet on when the drives would be available. They wanted to be able to launch the thing pronto they they released the flash based version and put off the HD version. There is a MMC card slot so you can expand the 512 with a gig card. The HD one should be out sometime soon though.

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    2. Re:Good but a few shortcomings by dickrichardv8 · · Score: 1

      Well, get a usb hard drive and mount it under /opt or /home/you. There ought to be some way to make it work. How small are hard drives now if price is not paramount?

    3. Re:Good but a few shortcomings by VonSnaggle · · Score: 1

      I should probably buy one since I won a $100 from the Bull riding contest...

      Although I ended up spending it all at Chevy's on drinks and then returned to the convention to pick up on the twins

      and then Wonder Woman...

      I love LinuxWorld...

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    4. Re:Good but a few shortcomings by VonSnaggle · · Score: 1

      That is...

      The Bull Riding contest put on at there booth...

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    5. Re:Good but a few shortcomings by wackybrit · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I really can't get by without a 24" TFT. It needs one of those too.

  7. Possible Uses by bagboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article mentions that it was developed with the hopes that some can find a use for it. How about a portable asterisk server so when you travel your voicemail and pbx go with you?

    1. Re:Possible Uses by bahwi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because when you unplug it no one can leave you voicemail.

    2. Re:Possible Uses by bagboy · · Score: 1

      >> Because when you unplug it no one can leave you voicemail. Umm... You know the word "portable" was used. It would uplink to your primary asterisk when online. When unavailable your voicemail would be stored on the primary... Using dyndns would solve the dynamic ip problem...

    3. Re:Possible Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ok, fine.

      But for my next invention I'm gonna put a flashing light on a phone so that when it rings deaf people will know to pick it up.
      Now don't anyone go stealing my idea

      Sincerely,
      The guy that put braille signs on the drive up ATMs

    4. Re:Possible Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh so you would find a computer, plug in the device, reboot it, then listen to your voicemail? That sounds very convenient.

      That, or you could use a thing called a 'telephone' to call your asterisk voice and listen to the message.

    5. Re:Possible Uses by Mozk · · Score: 1

      I always wondered about the braille keys on drive-up ATMs. I suppose some people blind people have gas and brake pedals with braille on them, and listen for the honking of cars to avoid them. Then when they get there they magically read the screen's text which tells you what buttons to push for whatever transaction by feeling the electricity in the screen. You'd think they'd just get a non-blind person to do it for them.

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    6. Re:Possible Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably because the same machines used as drive-ups are used as walk-ups, and rather than manufacture a different set of ATMs simply because people who drive don't need the braile...

      Also, the blind person could be a passenger, get out and go around and use the ATM.

      But mainly, it's probably to keep machine manufacturing prices down.

    7. Re:Possible Uses by robfoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to know how many blind people actually use ATMs, without problem.

      Not sure what the ATMs are like in your part of the world, but most of the ones I've used aren't predictable enough for me to imagine using it without sight.
      For instance, the conversation usually goes like this:
      ATM: what would you like to do?
      Me: get cash
      ATM: what account?
      Me: cheque
      ATM: how much?
      Me: heaps
      ATM: would you like a receipt?
      Me: yes

      which is easy enough to do without reading the screen, but sometimes as soon as you put the card in it'll say "Sorry, I can't print receipts at the moment. Press OK to continue" or something.

      Is there some kind of standard for the blind use of ATMs? Is there a sequence of button presses that says "hey, I'm blind" so the machine follows a set path, without relying on visual cues?

      It's one of those things that's always fascinated me. Like how come my work has a wheelchair-accessible toilet, in an office that's only accessible via stairs?

    8. Re:Possible Uses by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, I have seen several ATMs with braille on the keypads and also a headphone jack

    9. Re:Possible Uses by bahwi · · Score: 1

      What would be the point of having a portable asterisk at the point anyways? Leave it on the primary server and take a softphone with you.

    10. Re:Possible Uses by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Uhm, they plug in an earbud and listen to the audio prompts, which sound like a phone menu. "For deposit press 1, for withdrawl press 2, ..."

    11. Re:Possible Uses by jlapier · · Score: 1

      The only uses I can think of involve coupling it with a USB wifi and going to a convention or a lan-party and doing...bad...things...

  8. Surprising by darthgnu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised they managed to put so much power in such a small package, I wonder how much heat this thing disipates, as my IBook2 dual usb (500 mhz) PPC can get quite hot. Seems like a cool gadget, but I doubt it has a use in the "real" world besides chick-magnet because it is easier to find a better suited machine for the job, unless carrying around your webserver is your new fethish.

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    1. Re:Surprising by Black+Cardinal · · Score: 5, Funny

      but I doubt it has a use in the "real" world besides chick-magnet

      No, I don't think it will work for that, either.

    2. Re:Surprising by kalidasa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not sure what they're doing with it, but it seems to me that if you could get this to do two things, you'd have a useful product. Get it to appear to the main computer as two items: 1. a USB drive, with an executable that includes VNC functionality and a TCP/IP over USB engine for Windows (am I right in assuming that you need additional software to establish a TCP/IP connection over USB in windows) in the memory; 2. a network device, which connects via TCP/IP over USB. Bingo, you just plug in, run the application from the FAT32 partition on the USB drive, and you can log into your own USB-powered, network-connected computer with your own data on it.

    3. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "I wonder how much heat this thing disipates, as my IBook2 dual usb (500 mhz) PPC can get quite hot."

      A USB port (on a motherboard) is only specified to deliver 0.2A of current; so @5V that is only 1W.

      The PPC in that thing is designed for embedded applications. It has no Altivec, and probably has a lot fewer IPC than the PPC than your iBook. Therefore it makes a lot less heat.

      Fran

    4. Re:Surprising by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 0

      I have no mod points, but your comment is "Insightful"

      +1 for you!

    5. Re:Surprising by nsasch · · Score: 1
      unless carrying around your webserver is your new fethish.
      I have my Linux-powered pocket protector for that.
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    6. Re:Surprising by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      USB is half an amp at 5 volts, so it's really 2.5 watts.

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    7. Re:Surprising by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You know you're on Slashdot when comments such as the parent get modded insightful... :-)

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    8. Re:Surprising by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 4, Insightful
      it may work much better as a chick-magnet than you think. Any "chick" that goes "WoW! Debian too!", and means it - is a keeper.

      The perfect "barbie" filter if you will. 8)

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    9. Re:Surprising by Lupulack · · Score: 1

      iBooks can get warm , but it's not the CPU creating the excess heat , it's the HD. You feel it because it's directly underneath the hand rest.

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    10. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "USB is half an amp at 5 volts, so it's really 2.5 watts."

      IIRC, if you plug into a USB hub, you are guaranteed 500ma. If you plug into a USB port on a PC motherboard, you are only guaranteed 200ma. Of course that doesn't mean that a USB port on a given PC motherboard won't deliver 500ma.

      Fran

    11. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The perfect "barbie" filter if you will."

      There are other areas of intelligence besides knowledge of what Linux distributions are. Some would even consider other areas to be more important.

    12. Re:Surprising by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      I think redundent would be better.

    13. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you know what redundant means (and how to spell it).

    14. Re:Surprising by kvigor · · Score: 3, Informative

      The device currently consumes ~300 milliwatts max and is barely warm to the touch. Naturally it consumes far less when idle.

    15. Re:Surprising by sydres · · Score: 2, Funny

      i don't know, I saw this hot redhead yesterday wearing a shirt that said "I love nerds". maybe their is a chance for us yet, on second thought naw.

    16. Re:Surprising by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It does show up as a network device, actual a USB ethernet NIC for which the PC already has drivers. When the PC brings up the interface it finds what it thinks is a network with another machine on it but actually its just BlackDog.

      This is of course after getting control of the PC using the CDROM and autorun and deploying the X server and the user space NAT to give the device access to the networks that the PC can see.

      It and the PC are then peers on their own IP routed ethernet over USB network. No need for silly FAT32. It uses Samba to export whatever you like to the PC.

      It could also deploy VNC or any other terminal client if you like, but X11 is most direct. The apps themselves can be the ones it's running or ones that it automatically connects through to in the back.

      It can open an IPsec VPN session that only it sees, the host PC only routing the traffic, but not able to interpret it. It can then get access to back-end services without exposing them to the PC's vulnerabilities.

    17. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where would you plug in your USB hub?

    18. Re:Surprising by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      you'd have to keep her because people wouldn't believe you if you just told the story?

    19. Re:Surprising by default+luser · · Score: 1

      I can't figure out why it has a PPC chip onboard.

      The indications I get is that this is just a flash drive that acts as a bootable CD-ROM drive. I see no indication that this thing can do anything except boot a host PC. Seems like a waste of a beefy processor just to do simple bus arbitration, especially when custom ASICs can probably do a better job.

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    20. Re:Surprising by seth50k · · Score: 1

      Well, just because it says PPC, doesn't mean it's of the G3 Family. It could be a 400 mhz 603e, or hell, maybe a rediculously overclocked 601.

    21. Re:Surprising by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      So you've got the CD running an X server and a NAT to let the BlackDog see the network? Why did you decide to use the CD rather than have it on a partition on the device that runs through Windows' generic USB storage device driver? (Oh, and mods: why was I modded +4 interesting, while the guy answering the question was only modded +2???)

    22. Re:Surprising by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      Blackdog pretends to be a USB CD long enough to launch its support software on the PC (which does include the X server and network Tunnel among other things).

      After that it pretends to be a USB ethernet NIC. When the PC brings up that ethenet interface (DHCP) Blackdog hands the PC an address. For all the PC knows it is a real ethenet NIC with an ethernet cable and a server on the other end, but in reality it's a virtual LAN all put on by Blackdog.

      Meanwhile the Blackdog Linux kernel is coded to see the PC on the other end as a network peer PC at the specific IP address it gave the PC.

      Now any and every TCP/IP protocol can be used to communicate between Blackdog and the software it auto-deployed on the PC. Samba using CIFS makes files and printers available between them. Say goodbye to MSystem's lame patents on a FAT32 block device on a USB drive, a true network file system can actually outperfom and is more robust!

      Apache makes HTTP services available on the PC from blackdog. X11 allows user interface projection from Blackdog of any and every Linux app you can think of. It'll even run Java apps that use AWT, Swing, SWT or whatever.

      Blackdog deploys to the PC a user-space (read no admin needed) NATing TCP/IP tunnel. Blackdog uses a TUN driver and vioala, things running on Blackdog transparently see not just the PC, but all the networks visible to the host PC. What is nice about this is that the PC is generally already configured to talk on the internet and without any config Blackdog can now too.

      Blackdog can connect to back-end services using SSL or even IPsec VPN sessions. With such a VPN a mobile user can be name-resolved and IP routable no matter where he is. And, while the PC is routing the traffic it cannot interpret what is being said. No only does blackdog become an ultra-portable VPN, but it can restrict access to that private network for just the apps it is running and not the PC itself. Of course if one wanted to the PC can be given access to the private network as well.

      The elegance is in how in a matter of seconds and totally transparently one has their stuff available from any PC (even apps that run only on the PC, because blackdog can run those off of it CIFS file share). From an enterprise perspective, 10s of thousands of these can be deployed like cell phones to a mobile work force or a secure customer base without having to fight for administrative control of PCs and Laptops.
       
      Then end user gets increased convienience while the IT department gets something designed to be remote administered and ultra secure.

  9. Useful? by BigDog1942 · · Score: 0

    Seems like a pack of gum in your pocket has more uses than that, and costs far less.

    1. Re:Useful? by medgooroo · · Score: 0

      Dear god who are you people!? its a small usb powered linux box! THATS COOL! dont you see? its a neat toy! who cares if theres no obvious use for it (yet)! I have tens of computers, some so old they run out of memory when i use them to hold the door open, they're still fun toys. I'd like to see you hack a pack of gum* to run doom and display it in ascii onto a box connected via usb! And yes. that would be useful ~pouts~ *this challenge is not open to anyone who has worked on netbsd.

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  10. It's not SCO but... by MULTICS_$MAN · · Score: 5, Informative

    It does co-star Darl's old IKON buddy and "Haloween memo" author Mike Anderer. There must be SCO IP in that, burn it. Oh, nevermind their "server" (you call THAT a server) just melted down anyway.

  11. What's the use? by Newbreedofnerd · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone really need a pocket-sized server in their pocket anyways? People are just throwing new, pointless, mini-sized devices out everyday these days....

    1. Re:What's the use? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      Why would anyone really need a pocket-sized server in their pocket anyways? People are just throwing new, pointless, mini-sized devices out everyday these days....

      Look, I'm really sorry about your problem, but please keep your sex life to yourself.

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  12. Correction to article by dysk · · Score: 5, Informative
    It actually has very little to do with being seen as a CD-ROM drive by the desktop.
    To access and use your BlackDog, you merely plug it in to your host computer's USB port* and BlackDog takes over! Your host machine's monitor, keyboard, mouse, and Internet connection are taken over by BlackDog for the duration of your session, when you are done, you simply remove BlackDog and everything on the host is returned to its original state.
    1. Re:Correction to article by __aaaaxm1522 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And how do you think it takes over your machine's monitor, keyboard, mouse and internet connection over USB?

      It mounts a small partition containing an X11 server for Windows (or your OS of choice), then runs that server and connects to its onboard Linux environment with it.

      So yes, it does have quite a bit to do with being seen as a drive by the desktop. Otherwise, your Windows machine wouldn't be able to talk to it.

    2. Re:Correction to article by 50m31sl4sh. · · Score: 2, Interesting
      BlackDog is treated as a CD-ROM by the host PC and is booted automatically when plugged in. Once booted it can access any of its host's peripherals or network resources.
      Wait, if we boot host PC from this virtual CD-ROM, isn't that OS running in the host? How is it then different from booting LiveCD or LiveUSB stick? If BlackDog needs access to host CPU, how is it better than running the host as a server itself?

      I'm confused. Will someone care to explain?
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    3. Re:Correction to article by dysk · · Score: 1
      Wait, if we boot host PC from this virtual CD-ROM, isn't that OS running in the host? How is it then different from booting LiveCD or LiveUSB stick? If BlackDog needs access to host CPU, how is it better than running the host as a server itself?
      When you plug the USB server into your system, it boots the server, not the host system. It then mounts a "cd-rom drive" on the desktop to run a program allowing the server to take over your keyboard/monitor/mouse.

      Any CPU processing still goes on in the server, just input/output is passed to the host system.

    4. Re:Correction to article by germanStefan · · Score: 1

      if you have to give a presenation or something, you can carry a server in your pocket and not have to rely on them having a server configured and ready to use. Just plug it into the laptop thats giving the presentation and then voila, server up in no time. Very helpful if you ask me, especially the fingerprint reader, so that no one could steal my drive and get my documents (if thats how it works, didn't find anything about that in the article)

    5. Re:Correction to article by fm6 · · Score: 1
      So yes, it does have quite a bit to do with being seen as a drive by the desktop. Otherwise, your Windows machine wouldn't be able to talk to it.
      Pay attention. The article claims it's seen as a CD-ROM drive. If that were true, communication would be pretty one-way.

      And in any case, that doesn't explain how the device "takes over". I suppose you could boot off it, and it would supply an image that would turn your PC into a sort of terminal for the device. But their description sounds more plug-and-go than that.

    6. Re:Correction to article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can use it with any architecture, so long as it has usb. any time you boot a computer directly off a usb stick, you're assuming that it has the right architecture CPU, that its memory is readable, that its hard drive is readable, etc-- this takes care of many of those problems by making them local.

    7. Re:Correction to article by photon317 · · Score: 1


      First, an emulated CDROM can "take over" via autorun on a windows pc. The autorun could launch up some sort of VNC-type remote desktop right back into the device.

      But I'm betting they don't even do that. It sound to me like their intent is for the device to appear as a bootable usb cdrom to the host's BIOS, and that you reboot the host with this thing plugged in. The bootable cdrom image boots a native x86 linux kernel with a large set of ethernet, video, audio, usb, etc drivers available to it and the standard 2.6 udev/coldplug/etc hardware autodetection and module autoloading. It uses the storage space on the device as its secure data store, and quite likely communicates directly with the PowerPC linux kernel running in the device as well.

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    8. Re:Correction to article by kvigor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The device is seen as *both* a CD-ROM and a network device. As the parent suggested, the CD-ROM is used to launch an X server on the host [1] and the network interface is used to allow that X server to communicate to the applications running on the device.

      (disclaimer: I am an employee of Realm Systems but do not speak for the company)

      [1] obviously useful only for Windows hosts, since Linux hosts will almost always have an X server running already.

    9. Re:Correction to article by iomanip · · Score: 2, Funny

      And after it takes over the monitor, keyboard, mouse , and internet connection, its says:

            "All your resources are belong to us!"

    10. Re:Correction to article by cyborch · · Score: 1

      hopefully you will be able to answer a few quick questions then, please: does it use autorun (as hinted elsewhere in this thread) on windows? how does it auto-launch on linux? does it work on mac os x?

    11. Re:Correction to article by kvigor · · Score: 3, Informative

      It certainly can use autorun on Windows, which is very convenient and is a primary reason for using a CD-ROM interface. But the CD image is a .ISO file served off the device's flash, which means it can contain anything. As we ship it, it has an AUTORUN.INF and an X server and some handy networking tools. But it's trivial to change the CD image to hold whatever you may want.

      This is an incredibly flexible device. You can change almost anything about it. Heck, if you're up to hacking kernel drivers, you can make it emulate ANY USB device. Thus far, we've had call for emulating CD-ROM and ethernet-over-USB. But there's no reason it can't appear to the host as a mass storage device. Or a keyboard (take *that*, keyloggers!). Or a serial port dongle. Or... anything USB at all.

      None of this flexibility, alas, will make any Linux distro in the world dumb enough to autorun software just because somebody presented a CD-ROM, unlike another certain popular OS. So autorunning on a Linux host requires a hotplug script be installed. We provide samples for some major distros and assume that the guy running Gentoo is smart enough to hack his own hotplug (or just run a .SH off the CD-ROM image).

      OS-X support is "coming soon", i.e. we plan to support it, have done nothing to prevent it working, but haven't yet spent any test cycles on it. Having got it working with the incredibly balky USB stacks in Windows and Linux, I have no doubt it will be made to work just fine.

      (again, *not* an official spokesman for the company, not legally binding, don't sue me please, yadda yadda.)

    12. Re:Correction to article by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Is anyone actually developing a USB gadget network-interface module such that this thing can look like an Ethernet device?

      I would find it *exceedingly* useful to build a plug-in system which could run a VPN (say, OpenVPN either in tap mode or tun+masquerading for connections from the host), or proxy certain HTTP connections through SSL with a client key, or such -- but while I've done a bit of kernel code now and again, I just don't anticipate having the time in my schedule to do something along those lines *now*.

    13. Re:Correction to article by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      You've got the vision now. It already comes with exactly what you've suggested!

      Blackdog deploys a userspace (read no admin priv) NATing tunnel on the host PC and runs a TUN driver itself. It can therefore see all networks visible to the PC, set up SSL and IPsec sessions, and the PC while routing the traffic cannot interpret it.

      Because it's Debian based and has a QEMU based emulation environment you don't even have to cross compiler, just apt-get the source and build it in the emulator and then install it on Blackdog.

  13. Slashdotted by 50m31sl4sh. · · Score: 0

    Seems like they run their server on one of these BlackDog puppies.

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  14. Product Website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the product website: Project Blackdog

    Seems there's a nice, hefty prize for the person who comes up with a good use for it.

    And don't forget the movie starring John Lovitz of SNL fame: Spy Another Day

    It feels like the late 90's again ...

    1. Re:Product Website by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Looks like a solution looking for a problem. Bad way to market a device.

      My suggested sales pitch:
      Here it is, not sure what the hell you can do with it, but if you find a good program/use for it( god knows we tried), we will give you $50,000. ( no joke, check out the site).

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  15. Pretty cheap - Should have a screen though by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does it have have a screen?

    It's only $199 ($239 for upgraded version) and with a PowerPC chip and 256Mb flash memory (512 with upgrade), if it had a screen, it might be a decent pda.

    Otherwise I don't see the value of having a handheld linux server that has to plug into a computer usb slot (over a usb memory chip with linux on it)

    1. Re:Pretty cheap - Should have a screen though by kevcol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it have have a screen?

      Nope. The fingerprint reader has a Vulcan mind-meld feature. Works great, except your co-workers might think you have severe gas or something once you start groaning your shell input in a pained voice.

      "cd dot dot forward-slash!"

    2. Re:Pretty cheap - Should have a screen though by smoker2 · · Score: 1
      cd dot dot forward-slash!
      I must be reading this on forward-slash dot then :-/

      slash or backslash, take your pick, just don't invent characters.
  16. How useful is this? by HowIsMyDriving? · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, how useful is this? If you need something really secure, why not make a Live CD or memory stick linux that require authentication from a the USB dongle in the form of a password or biometrics? Most PCs are much more powerful then this is, and can provide much more function.

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    1. Re:How useful is this? by tolonuga · · Score: 1

      think email encryption. you keys are on your device and never leave it. also you have your favorite mail client, spam filter, email encryption software etc. all with you. you won't need a laptop and still can go to an internet cafe, use their computers, use encryption, and all that with relative low security risks (ok, the host could most likely still capture keyboard input, vga output and network packets, but that is still an improvement).

    2. Re:How useful is this? by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 1

      Can't use for encryption, no. At least not unless the hardware is unhackable -- or self-destroys when it is being tampered with.

    3. Re:How useful is this? by clymere · · Score: 1

      The usefulness, espcially once they get more memory inside it, would be in being able to carry all of the applicatons and data you need around with you, in your pocket, and be able to turn virtually any desktop computer you happen t be near into a workstation at a moments notice WITHOUT REBOOTING IT. And of course this thing doers have a biometric fingerprint scanner built into it, if you're the type to actually trust those to protect your data. I think their main problem is not having stuck a microdrive in it yet. Once they work that out it'll be great. I mean hell, I bought my first laptop while in college specifically because there were no linux machines in any of the computer labs, they didn't allow installation of new software on any of the windows machines, and i needed things that most any linux distro had to get my work done. This thing would have solved the same problem for less money. Sure a USB thumb drive might too...but not if they've taken away my ability to reboot the machine cleanly. Of course they likely turn off auto-run on the CD drive so...hm.

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    4. Re:How useful is this? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Depends on your requirements.

      If the threat model is someone running spyware on the computer-lab machine you use or trying to run some remote exploit on a multiuser system to grab your private key, having said key never touch that machine does you a great deal of good, even if the hardware that does host your private key could be cracked by someone with a bus analyzer and a few minutes of time.

  17. Yes.. by CSHARP123 · · Score: 0

    I run my web server from my pocket.

  18. What? by red990033 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It includes a fingerprint reader, a 400MHz PowerPC, 64MB of DRAM and 256MB or 512MB of flash and it runs Debian..."

    Umm.. server.. what the hell can you serve up running with these specs? Seriously, what practical applications could be run with this now-a-days, or more the relavent question, in the coming future?

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    1. Re:What? by stox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quite a bit could be served off such a platform. The first website I administered ran off a 50MHz Sparc with 64MB of memory. Static content would not be a problem at all. I'm afraid java would be out of the question, though. ;->

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    2. Re:What? by medgooroo · · Score: 0

      What are you serving that requires more than these specs? afaik you may be admin of devart or wikipedia or google or (repeat ad infinitum) but for a personal space on the net for whatever project you're working on, a few pictures, a spot of cgi + some database work... you'd be fine. *secretly has a 486 running a webserver quite happily on openbsd*

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    3. Re:What? by Diag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My Linksys NSLU2 has a 133Mhz CPU, 8MB of Flash and 32MB of SDRAM.

      It currently runs thttpd as a web server (it can run apache), a SAMBA server, an ftp server, and ccxstream to stream media to my X-Box. Admittedly the web server might struggle if more than a couple of users access it at once, but it suits my needs.

      And I don't need to plug it into the USB port of a "real" PC to make it go.

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    4. Re:What? by dal20402 · · Score: 1
      what the hell can you serve up running with these specs?

      Anything that will never be seen by /.

    5. Re:What? by weicco · · Score: 1

      I run Debian (I think 2.2.14 kernel or something like that) on SparcStation 5 70 MHz 32MB. I have Apache + PHP + MySQL on it and it runs pretty nicely. Biggest problems are that making SSH connection to it takes something like 50 seconds and when I used to run IRC-bot on it, it tend to be reaaaally slow.

      Well, it's not my number 1 server anymore, but it's good for IRC-chatting when my wife wants to use our main desktop computer.

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    6. Re:What? by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

      Lisa2.com -- the world's only Lisa II web server (so the owner advertises). The Lisa II is offline for its twentieth birthday, but the site is mirrored elsewhere. So don't feel bad about serving off of old computers, guy who serves web pages off a 486!

      His pimped-out Lisa II includes an 18 MHz 68000 processor, 10 MB of RAM and a 500 MB SCSI hard drive with Mac OS 7.5.5 installed. The practical applications for this two-decade-old computer include serving up web pages (with MacHTTP) and as old as it is, can use CD-ROM drives and even capture video! In fact, he's working on setting up a webcam on the Lisa!

    7. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From 1994-1997, I hosted a website on a single-chip 40MHz 386 running Yggdrasil Fall '94 Linux..I connected it to the Net via nailed-up ISDN (eg, added two ISDN lines to our office centrex, one line to the PC server and one to the local ISP) using Ascend Pipeline 50 routers.

      When I went to upgrade the bandwidth from 128K ISDN to a full T1, all of the T1 ISPs of the day _demanded_ to know what kind of server I was running so they could decide how much bandwidth to sell me (as if..). I dared not tell them it was a 40MHz 386 (or even a PC). I just said UNIX server and they all assumed I was on SUN.

      If LINUX could have just stayed so nice and clean as back in those innocent 1.2.13 days --Today I look at 2.6.12 and see so much data-corrupting half-baked bullshit, ripped-off technology re-implemented by underqualified hackers and a fucking socialist attitude of these political assholes like Miguel from countries that think the US "owes them" a living and I think the whole thing is a pile of shit now. OS X on Pentium-M is going to be the future, not Linux. Better learn Cocoa, WebObjects and learn to think of Linux the way those who came before you think of the Amiga.

    8. Re:What? by HoneyBeeSpace · · Score: 1

      I have 1/2 of that:

      "This site server is running on a headless laptop (seen below) sitting in my desk drawer. The computer has 32 MB of ram and runs at 200 MHz."

      http://spacebit.dyndns.org/

    9. Re:What? by irtza · · Score: 1

      well... if you had access to the host hard drive and a wine installation you might be able to run 40% of what is on that computer, but you have the benefit of it being slower (emulated by a 400MHz PowerPC) and possibly crashing due to lack of memory.... that Is why it needs to mount the host systems RAM as swap... wait... u know... I think I'm on to something... I call dibs on this new most useless device ever!

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    10. Re:What? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      Dude, you must be new to Linux. I've been running Linux on 25 MHz 486s with 8 MB RAM and ~200 MB hard disk, and I had a GUI, a web browser, web and file server, games, and everything. Of course, that was libc5, and I wasn't running KDE or GNOME, but this device is so much more powerful I would be hard pressed to think of anything I would want to throw at it that it wouldn't handle.

      Serving files or webpages shouldn't be any problem at all. If you had proper swap (like the hard drive edition will), I'm sure you can run KDE or GNOME on it at decent speed (well, maybe USB doesn't have enough bandwidth, but the device itself shouldn't have any problem with it).

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    11. Re:What? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      my website runs on an oldworld beige g3 (300mhz, 128MB ram). I replaced the HD with a 20gigger and it uses a small os9 partition to use bootx to boot into debian. Runs quite nicely...

      The disk space is expandanble in these things and the ram I'm sure will grow in the future, but even now, it's easily an adequate web server, dns server, even domain controller....

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    12. Re:What? by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

      I think Linux is still cool. Then again, I've only been toying with Gentoo since the days of 2.6.10. :-) There is probably a version of 1.2 out there somewhere for you, but you wouldn't get all the cool stuff like support for USB, FireWire, SATA, IPv6... stuff you'll be needing today and tomorrow.

      I might just inherit an old 20 MHz 386 if I can convince my grandparents to go Mac mini, and I'll have Gentoo on that box before you know it... might make it a Web server for the hell of it, I hate to waste a working computer.

      I hope Mac OS X is the future, but Linux will still be around for the hobbyists, the Aqua-haters and those too cheap for OS X or an unlimited-client version of OS X Server. We shouldn't fight over *nix-based OSes yet, we've still got to crush Windows Vista. :-)

    13. Re:What? by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I ran Yggdrasil on a 386-40 too. That was the last x86 to have the bus running at the uP core speed, and it rocked. It was fast enough that Doom only caused mild motion sickness. Upgrading myself with Dramamine was cheaper than upgrading hardware.

      I used that box from '91-'97, but only got linux on it for the last 18 mo. or so. It really needed more RAM to run xwindows properly. Linux was much cleaner and more usable back then, but the bootable CD distros like Knoppix still have a lot that flavor.

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  19. Interesting new concept, but odd application by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At first, the fact that this device shows up as a CD-ROM despite having a USB connection seemed odd, but its possible this is some kind of step around the need for an administrator account to install mass storage devices on the windows platform. The suggestion by the company that this could be used as a portable VPN client seems strange, due to the need to carry the hardware around. Modern ultraportable laptops would seem to meet the needs of those travelling with remote access issues more than this device, which obviously requires a host to piggyback on.

    1. Re:Interesting new concept, but odd application by oldwolf13 · · Score: 1

      Modern laptops are a hell of a lot more powerful then this... and ultraportable ones are frackin' expensive.

      If I had a few bucks lying around right now I'd be interested in picking on up... but mainly just out of morbid curiousity.

      I'd bet it detects as a cd-rom to use the autorun feature of windows... that way it could run a program off it's own media that sets up the link. If it needs rebooting to work then it's just because you can boot off a cd-rom with little or no problem.

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    2. Re:Interesting new concept, but odd application by sstidman · · Score: 1

      I know nothing about these devices, but, as far as I know, when you insert a USB drive into a USB port on a Windows PC there is no attempt by Windows to autoexecute any programs it finds on the drive. But the same can't be said of CD-ROMs; Windows will execute a program it finds on a CD-ROM. I suspect they chose to have this device emulate a CD-ROM because the mere insertion of the device will cause Windows to execute software that starts up the USB "server".

      I find it really bizarre that these folks seem unable to provide a clear purpose for this bizarre device. Even more bizarre is that they hope the Open Souce community will think of one for them. Which is even more bizarre since it seems like this effort might be funded by Microsoft which surely has the ultimate goal of defeating Linux.

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  20. No Ethernet? by hotspotbloc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As far as I can see it only has usb ports and piggybacks off of another computer. Of course an usb to ethernet converter (yes, never a good idea) would help.

    There's always the Linksys NSLU-2 with ethernet for $80, just add a usb drive.

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    1. Re:No Ethernet? by AirLace · · Score: 1

      It would have to be quite a 'USB to ethernet converter' to be able to work as a network interface through a gadget host controller (which is what I assume this is)..

    2. Re:No Ethernet? by bitslinger_42 · · Score: 1

      I bought a NSLU-2 after the /. story on running Debian on it. Let me tell you, it isn't quite ready for prime-time.

      The basic out-of-the-box functionality is OK (i.e. Samba server with web config), but since I got it to run as a server, I looked into reflashing it. The Debian stuff that was listed in the /. story (sorry for no link, but it was in the past 2-3 weeks) doesn't include net drivers that work, so that was out. I went with Unslung, and that went fine, but then reality set in.

      I wanted to run a web server using Gallery, but the thttpd server that's compiled for it doesn't do PHP or CGI very well, so that was out. Every other thing I tried, especially Apache, sent the poor thing into swap hell due to the intersection of huge code (apache) and 32 Meg of RAM.

      In the end, I gave up, installed Apache on my desktop and configured it to auto-standby every 15 minutes with Wake On Lan enabled. Gets me closer to an always-on webserver that doesn't eat electricity for breakfast.

      Still have the Slug, but its just hiding in a corner now, waiting for a purpose.

  21. Windows on a USB device? by datafr0g · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because the tiny Linux client has biometric authentication and can be plugged into just about any PC, Cunningham believes it will be a useful and secure way for travelers to logon to their corporate VPNs.

    I agree - bloody useful! I've been trying to find a device like this for extactly this purpose. I've come across a few like this one but I need to boot Windows, not Linux. Our VPN client and user software only runs on Windows.

    Does anyone know of a similar device that can run Windows?

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    1. Re:Windows on a USB device? by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      Try and Thinkpad (Lenovo) laptop. The T series now has a fingerprint reader, and it runs windows. Just install your VPN software, plug in an ethernet cord and go.
       
      -kaplanfx

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    2. Re:Windows on a USB device? by caller9 · · Score: 1

      Not unless they increase that flash size to at least 4 GB, up the RAM to 256, and throw out any kind of processor that could run off of USB current, not to mention it almost needs to be an x86.

    3. Re:Windows on a USB device? by dozer · · Score: 1

      It's probably easier to just switch to a Linux-compatible VPN. There are a number of them out now. In fact, after researching this year ago, I'd hazard that the majority of VPNs now are Linux-compatible.

    4. Re:Windows on a USB device? by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Are you *sure* that the client can only run on Windows? Since most VPN's use standard protocols, ensuring compatibility with most operating systems and (hint) routers. Even if you could build up a VPN you would still need to configure Windows with a route/proxy to your added system-on-usb.

    5. Re:Windows on a USB device? by nzhavok · · Score: 1

      AFAIK there is no way to install XP on a usb drive. I have tried, googled extensivly and discussed it online and have never found a way.

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  22. Marketing Magic? by krbvroc1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Can anyone explain to this techie how the following is possible:

    From their website: "To access and use your BlackDog, you merely plug it in to your host computer's USB port* and BlackDog takes over! Your host machine's monitor, keyboard, mouse, and Internet connection are taken over by BlackDog for the duration of your session, when you are done, you simply remove BlackDog and everything on the host is returned to its original state."

    It sounds amazing until I wonder if all they are doing is putting an autoplay file on there that launches VNC or something.

    1. Re:Marketing Magic? by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's a good idea... VNC on a thumbdrive that automagically connects to a host. I could go for that.

    2. Re:Marketing Magic? by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It launches an X11 server on the host and it runs the X clients on it own CPU. It communicates as a peer on a IP routed ethernet over USB network.

      It can be used to provide the authentication tokens and connect to back end terminal servers (of any odd type).

  23. Server? by GuineaPigMan · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I can see this being semi-practical if one could use it as a web server. If you could use mysql/PHP on it, it would really be quite nice. If only it had a built in network port and some kind of power supply that would enable you to plug it into the wall, it'd make a great server to log into while you're away.

    A larger amount of memory/hard drive would also make this a better possibility, but I would imagine it will be relatively easy to hack.

  24. Finally, worse grammar and accuracy than /. by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A small Utah-based company has developed a portable Linux (Overview, Articles, Company) server that can be plugged into the USB (Universal Serial Bus) port of a Windows PCs.
    What a horrible introductory sentence to an article.

    How did I miss the introduction of computer hardware that comes with a built-in version of "Windows" (from later in the article, it seems to define Windows as Linux, Windows 2000 or Windows XP)? I hope the hardware manufacturer has proper licenses for their MS Windows version and has made the source of the Linux version of their BIOS available as required by the GPL.

    I must confess, however, to be puzzled as to why Realm did not just make their device work with regular, unmodified Intel/AMD compatible PCs.

    1. Re:Finally, worse grammar and accuracy than /. by thinkliberty · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. Does AWARD have to give out the source code of the bios that boots your linux desktop? NO.

      The bios is not the OS it comes before the OS and they can put it under any license they want if they wrote it from scratch.

      Also the Boot loader is not the OS if they wrote it from scratch using no GPL code they do not have to release it under the GPL.

      Just because it runs linux or runs on linux they do not have to give you any code that is not licensed under the GPL.

      They do have to give you the source to the GPL licensed code.

      If you need me to dumb it down for you I can. Have you read the GPL?

    2. Re:Finally, worse grammar and accuracy than /. by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

      I am quite familiar with the GPL, yes. If I was too subtle, I am sorry. My post was written tongue in cheek. I was ridiculing the article. However, a literal reading of the article would suggest that they have PCs that have versions of Windows XP, Windows 2000 and Linux built into the firmware (not that they are providing a way to boot them separately). It would be awfully difficult to do that without at least some new hooks within those operating systems. So, anyone achieving such a feat with Linux (it has been done with routers in fact) would likely have some code to share to comply with the GPL.

    3. Re:Finally, worse grammar and accuracy than /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightfull my ass.

      Windows PC is just a PC running windows. Which incidentally is the majority. And I'm perfectly sure that means their device runs with your unmodified PC's.

  25. Slashdot effect....now USB powered! by Shoten · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We're so proud of our new server design, we even use one to run the company website!"

    "Uh...why's it smoking?"

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    1. Re:Slashdot effect....now USB powered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      "Uh...why's it smoking?"

      Fool! It's on a break!

  26. Combine with USB Harddisk and other peripherals. by paul.schulz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the device is able to automaticaly detect and mount disks (until it get designed with a harddrive) and work with other USB peripherals
    (sound card) then it would be very attractive
    as a 'quick office'.

    This may even kick-start a 'PC market' where
    the PC itself is quite a low powered unit,
    and processing power and IO is added via
    these types of removable peripherals.

    I can see a suite of Low-end PC's which do the barest minimum, but which can be temporarily
    'upgraded' to the users needs.

    This may even extend to 'handheld displays'
    (eg. Nokia Internet Table if it had a USB
    host port) also providing the user interface.

    Will a PC of the future just be a 'smart USB hub'?

  27. As I understand it by Fritzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It pulls up a window on the machine you're on, and shows your X session (browser, word processor) and you use the keyboard, mouse, internet connetion, and monitor of the host machine. You work on your document for awhile, unplug.... go to a different machine, and your word processor is right where you left it. You keep working on your document, all powered by the USB port. There's no evidence on the host machine of what you were running or what you did.

    1. Re:As I understand it by The+Hobo · · Score: 1

      Almost sounds like it's using an autorun to run something like QEmu (See Damn Small Linux embedded for an example, link here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ damnsmall/current/dsl-embedded.zip
      Main site

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    2. Re:As I understand it by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

      There's no evidence on the host machine of what you were running or what you did"

      NOW I understand. TFA mentioned the device is targeted to certain corporate users. I mean what more could a corporate espionage operative **cough** I mean "corporate user" want then a device that leaves no trace of them having accessed a boxen and it's attached network?

      Well done sirs!

  28. Fingerprint readers - Misguided and Evil by billstewart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fingerprint readers and other biometric sensors are almost always a misguided idea, often an evil one, and generally not implemented well. You could get much more useful capabilities by including a small keypad on it, which could be used for passwords if you need them (which you sometimes do, depending on your application), and maybe a little 1-or-2-line LCD display for status.

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    1. Re:Fingerprint readers - Misguided and Evil by fireheadca · · Score: 1

      heh, it can even identify
      whoever owns it.

      In once sense this is good if lost
      but bad if lost doing espionage.
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  29. WE SLASHDOTTED THE WRONG SERVER! by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

    Everyone TOTALLY got it backwards. You are supposed to go to www.sco.com, NOT realm systems!!!

    1. Re:WE SLASHDOTTED THE WRONG SERVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Job done. www.sco.com now shows the Apache default page :)

  30. Re:Combine with USB Harddisk and other peripherals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  31. Saw this at Linux World SF by syk0k0w · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just saw this at LinuxWorld San Francisco. To quote the staff at the BlackDog booth: "the BlackDog unit first presents itself as a CDRom image to the windows host to load the Cygwin X-Server as well as a tunneling network application to make use of the Windows network. It then establishes a network connection which looks like a USB network connection back to the Debian 2.6.10 kernel running on the BlackDog unit. The BlackDog can then present a UI to the X-Server running on the Windows host it is plugged into. It started with a biometric authentication running on the device. It then had other applications present themselves like Quake 2, Descent 2, Firefox, etc. This is when I became really impressed. I want one! I want to use it to take my mobile stuff with me and be able to plug into any computer anywhere even if its compromised and access the data on my other servers on the internet. Very Cool!!

    1. Re:Saw this at Linux World SF by dr_leviathan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I too spoke with a representative at LW about this.

      The thumb-print sensor allows you to authenticate yourself without typing in your password, so it is possible (as long as what you're doing doesn't require you to type in any passwords anywhere) to safely operate the device on a host with a keystroke logger. All of the network traffic between the BlackDog and its daemon running on the host is encrypted with SSH.

      One of the niches they are hoping to full with the device is a "dongle" with licenced software installed. The licencee of the proprietary-ware could then access it on any computer as long as he/she carries the dongle with them. It also would prevent password/keycode sharing between colleagues.

      One of my co-workes pointed out that this is similar to the "SoulPad" concept:

      http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000383053938/

      except without the host boot/shutdown steps.

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  32. Demo At LinuxWorld by jcole · · Score: 1

    I played with this device at LinuxWorld. They were using a Windows XP demo machine.

    The host PC sees it as a CD-ROM drive.

    When I played with this thing, XP did not see it as a CD-ROM drive, but as some kind of usb networked device. It runs a samba server so you can "\\192.168.0.x" to get to your root file system. Also, it installs an X server in XP so you can run X apps right off of it, which I thought was pretty geeky cool.

    It includes a fingerprint reader, a 400MHz PowerPC, 64MB of DRAM and 256MB or 512MB of flash and it runs Debian.

    Actually, when i did a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" at LinuxWorld it was clocked at 384mhz. :)

    I couldn't really find the benefits of this device over Linux on my iPaq, except for maybe the fingerprint reader.

    -Joe

    1. Re:Demo At LinuxWorld by grandmofftarkin · · Score: 1
      I couldn't really find the benefits of this device over Linux on my iPaq, except for maybe the fingerprint reader.

      How about price? ;-)

  33. Glorified KVM? by NoData · · Score: 1


    So, it's like a computer that utilitizes the KVM, along with networking and other peripherals, of the host? So, it's like a computer and KVM switch packed into one? Like a parasitic little computer that has no input/output devices of its own, but depends on the host to provide these? Why would I want to carry around a computer that depends on finding another computer to use? Does it allow access to the HD or other internals of the host...for security, recovery, or hacking? Cuz unless it allows me to interact with the host in some way that's meaningful, or lets me leverage some of the host's resources beyond its peripherals, why would one carry around a computer that is useless without another computer?

    1. Re:Glorified KVM? by oldwolf13 · · Score: 1

      Maybe because you could go over to other offices, friends houses... anywhere where they'd let you plug it in and have your own little system.

      I agree with earlier posts though, this would be cool, but needs a HDD system.

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    2. Re:Glorified KVM? by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      Strikes me more as a remote X session and samba server rolled into a package you take with you, rather than access over the host's network.

      Similar to apps and data on usb key, but with persistance and linux apps rather than windows versions. Will be a lot more useful once they release a hard-drive version.

      I could have used this when I was a network engineer for 3M, I did a lot of roaming between sites fixing servers and the like, and a unix session without having to mess about with installing a local X server or vnc would have been useful.

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  34. Re:Combine with USB Harddisk and other peripherals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the device is able to automaticaly detect and mount disks (until it get designed with a harddrive) and work with other USB peripherals (sound card) then it would be very attractive as a 'quick office'.

    Ever heard of a laptop?

  35. Cool Alarm by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

    Okay, I must admit. This device looks and seems cool. I even informed my wife that I might break down and buy one. I just have absolutely no idea what I'd use it for.

    Having my development environment wherever I'm at would be great, but that's only a tarball away in any case. Being Oliver Stone paranoid is a nice bonus. I guess I just wouldn't want to work this way exclusively.

    Ethernet would have made this an instant sale for me. I could develop and demo network appliance products on the road without virtual machines. Without Ethernet, this is just a really portable terminal to me.

    1. Re:Cool Alarm by kvigor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ethernet would have made this an instant sale for me. I could develop and demo network appliance products on the road without virtual machines. Without Ethernet, this is just a really portable terminal to me.


      Despite the summary claiming the device appears as a CD-ROM, it also appears to the host as a network device (masquerading as a ethernet-over-USB dongle). Sounds to me like it might be downright handy for your application.
  36. Off-Topic: PhoenixNet BIOS by SeeTheLight · · Score: 1

    How did the PhoenixNet BIOS, that had spyware or adware or whatever that it installed when you booted windows, pull it off without appearing as a drive to windows?

    1. Re:Off-Topic: PhoenixNet BIOS by oldwolf13 · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine it's because Win98 still relied heavily on BIOS calls... therefor the BIOS has access to any part of the system it wants, including the internet.

      When Windows 98 (which was what PhoenixNet was designed for) would call the BIOS, the BIOS would then run the embedded adware.

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  37. Beowulf cluster by benhocking · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, it would be nice if there was a way you could hook these up to a USB hub and have each one running a different program. I'm imaging this to be a cheap and easy way to solve "embarassingly parallel" computational problems. Of course, it would be really sweet if these things could then also share their memory so you could use them to solve not-so-embarassingly parallel computational problems.

    I realize these things are low end processors, but depending on the problem your solving they might be a good solution - if they could be hooked up in parallel.

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    1. Re:Beowulf cluster by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why don't you just say...
      "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these."
        and get it over.

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  38. It's more than enough for most websites by Aberfoyle · · Score: 1

    Many websites are text based, and can be served by just about anything with a high-speed connection. By text based I mean light on the multimedia, i.e. no flash, etc., and not necessarily no images. This site for example would be the perfect example of a low-cost/power application for the device.

    1. Re:It's more than enough for most websites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of like Google huh.

  39. Cluster it! by fracex · · Score: 1

    Now all they have to do is Xen on the host machine (after being ported to Windows of course) with a OpenMosix kernel running in it, so this little puppy can harness the CPU power on the Windows host too. Not just its peripherals.

    1. Re:Cluster it! by JawzX · · Score: 1

      now THAT would be so sickly cool even I'd buy one!

    2. Re:Cluster it! by fracex · · Score: 1

      Wait... my bad, this runs on PPC processors, considering Windows runs on x86, that wouldn't work quite so well... unless they released an x86 version of this product, everyones doing it, including Apple!

  40. Just what we need... by Mercury2k · · Score: 1

    Yes! This is exactly the type of technology that I have been waiting for someone to release to prove a point that I have had since the invention of usb. Any rogue device plugged into the usb hub can comprimise your whole system! Wow, to think I can use the linux (and Debian!) tools I have been used to "hacking" with to snoop net traffic and watch devices like usb hard drives etc. I love you guys! Now its practically easy as pie to take over government computers with usb ports lol ;) j/k

    Anyways, nice device, I look forward to trying one out and replacing my 50lbs. dell poweredge 4200 with about 400 of these babies in half the space :)

  41. Imagine what you could do with by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    a beowulf cluster of blackdogs attached to your computer, could I create a mini super computer using a bunch of these devices hooked up to my computer using MPI or some other message passing protocol?

  42. Key loggers? by jschottm · · Score: 1

    It pulls up a window on the machine you're on, and shows your X session ... There's no evidence on the host machine of what you were running or what you did.

    And this beats keyloggers how? If they want this to be a serious corporate VNC tool, that's a major question that will have to be answered.

    1. Re:Key loggers? by cyborch · · Score: 1

      keyloggers aren't really that dangerous by themselves... if you attach a keylogger to my machine you will get the passphrase I encrypted my private key with, but you won't get my private key... and in this case the private key would be stored on the blackdog device (which I'm taking with me when I leave), so the passphrase would be pretty useless.

      Basically it won't always *need* to beat keyloggers. There are lot's of other means to security than simple passwords. For instance you won't get my private key out of the blackdog device without cutting off my thumb...

    2. Re:Key loggers? by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      While a keylogger / screen scraper could see what was going on (so could someone looking over your sholder) it will not get auth tokens (as the user doesn't have to type any in). That is why the device uses Biometrics (not to mention required possession of the device) to authenticate the user and as a trusted intermediary it can use strong PKI type tokens to authenticate to back end services on behalf of the user.

  43. Port Linux to it? by fbg111 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cool I'm getting one right away so I can be the first to port Linux to it! Oh, wait...

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  44. I'm always thinking of warez :/ by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine if this thing had 1 gig or more of memory. Plug it up and take it to your local university or gaming cafe and have a portable warez dump, even better you could probably get it to run in stealth mode. Imagine having one on the back of a EDU computer, you could have multiple warez dumps and be able to retrieve the files instead of downloading them :d

    1. Re:I'm always thinking of warez :/ by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      It does have SD / MMC expansion for additional storage.

  45. Mod Parent Down - Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop whoring your site, you clown.

  46. Would be better just using lan by hotdrop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its a neat idea I wish it was a Lan powered divice though and cheaper so i could buy one and stash it inside one of the walls or cielings at college.

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  47. Re:Michael Anderer and Realm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Michael E. Anderer, of the SCOX "Halloween" memo fame is the CTO of Realm Systems. His old homepage "S2 consulting" hosted the developer forum for Realm. A number of other M$FT links raise the disturbing question if this product is real or elaborate "opposition" research on the part of Redmond.

    Realm Systems has secured an additional $9 million dollars in funding on July 7, 2005.

    The paper SEC filing, describing the new funding has been secured by penguinistas, and is available at : Debt and bridge financing

    $7.5 MM came from a single unnamed individual.

    Frank Artale, an ex-M$FT VP for NT, was appointed chairman of the board of Realm in January, 2005 , when Realm had secured a previous $8 million dollar investment.

    Frank Artale and Michael Anderer's stories first become entertwined over Entirenet. Entirenet is a Redmond and Bellevue, Washington based Windows documentation company. Anderer served as nominal CEO of Entirenet in the 2001- 2003 timeframe. Artale, then serving as Veritas VP for Windows had purchased Entirenet for Veritas in March 2001 for an undisclosed ammount.

    Anderer, acting as CEO of Entirenet, announced the acquisition of the South Carolina M$FT training firm, HunterStone, in November, 2002.

    Artale had left Veritas by March 2003 when his next venture "Consera Software" was announced. Consera had venture funding provided by Ignition Partners, a Seattle venture outfit staffed with a prominent group of ex-M$FT VP's, including Cameron Myhrvold. Myhrvold has especially close ties to Artale.

    Anderer left Entirenet about this time.

    Frank Artale has continued to work with Ignition Partners. He was appointed Chairman of the Board of Rendition Networks in Sept 2004, as part of a $6 million dollar Ignition investment. Rendition was quickly sold in Dec, 2004.

    Other Artale ventures include Therion, sold in May 2005. He has recently added to the Kenai Software board in July 2005 Kenai's executives, e.g. David Mock and Byrren Yates (CFO) overlap Realm's executives and public investors. Artale is considered an expert on the profitable exit sale of start ups. Other Frank Artale endeavors include advisory roles at Zenprise, Centrify, Accel Partners, and formerly a board position at Level 8.

    Michael Anderer's continuing relationship with the Seattle-area venture capital organized by highly placed ex-M$FT VP's indicates his reputation has survived the Halloween memo release.

  48. That wasn't flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That wasn't flamebait. It was supposed to be funny. (I *am* a geek--I'm not making fun of them!)

  49. linkage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  50. SCO connection: Realm CTO is Halloween X author by isn't+my+name · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone TOTALLY got it backwards. You are supposed to go to www.sco.com, NOT realm systems!!!

    Interestingly enough, there is a SCO connection to this story.

    You may remember the famous Halloween 10 memo from Mike Anderer to two SCO execs where Anderer indicates that SCO's big $50M dollar investment came via backchannels thanks to Microsoft and that SCO should go to MS for more money?

    Well, it seems that the very same Mike Anderer is is CTO of Realm Systems makers of this device.

  51. Others? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there other devices on the market such as this?

  52. posturances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see those launch party pictures? that's why most startups fail so miserably.. posturances for the ceo and management team that, in the end, amount to nothing more than a night of fun for those involved.

    then again i'm sure a good deal was had on the procurement of gary coleman, less willis, of course.

    -k0ward

  53. Here's the point... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why would anyone really need a pocket-sized server in their pocket anyways? People are just throwing new, pointless, mini-sized devices out everyday these days....

    The idea is that you carry your computer around with you, session and all. You can use any PC (with Windows, Linux, BSD, ...) / Mac / whatever for a screen, keyboard, and network connection.

    Be in the middle of a session at work. Unplug it, go home, plug it in. You're right back in your session. Unplug, go to class, plug in, ditto. Unplug, go to library, plug in. Unplug, go to iternet cafe, plug in. Unplug, go to China, plug in...

    If you were editing a document it's ready for the next keystroke. If you were reading mail you're still in the mail reader, still looking at the same letter at the same point in the scroll buffer. If you were browsing the web you are still on the same page with the same brower history. And so on. Your files came with you. Your state came with you. Your whole computer came with you - or at least the parts of it that are important for preserving your state. Screen, keyboard, mouse, video card, internet connection - use whatever is handy. They're heavy. They'll work just fine for this service for several generations after the machine they are attached to went obsolete. Why buy new ones? Why tie yourself to a particular one at a particular site?

    Pull it out, it senses the loss of connection and saves anything still in RAM to a non-volatile memory (flash or disk if they can get it) before it runs out of the power in the onboard capacitor. Plug it in and it boots up, recovers state, and sweet-talks the new machine into giving it a full-screen window and the use of keyboard, mouse, and comm stack.

    The designers brought this out for licensing to manufacturers (using a slightly-hacked BSD onboard) over a year ago. I saw their booth at Supercom in Las Vegas back then. (Target was to make the small config for under $100 in bulk for schoolkids, maybe $200 in a big one with postage-stamp hard drive for the rest of us.) It's nice to see a version finally on the market - and with Linux yet.

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    1. Re:Here's the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent is exactly right. When I was running around between classes at the university, i'd run into a computer lab to check my e-mail and do various things like that. If I could drag around a device that kept my previous state for me, I wouldn't have had to recreate my work environment each time I logged into the XP machine. I'd just get logged in, and drop the device onto the machine. After the device takes over the keyboard/video/mouse, i'd be right back where I was. Personaly, this is damn tempting. When I head into work at night, there are a lot of spare machines not password protected. I don't want to mess with peoples files, but it would be really nice to drop one of these on the machine, and have a familiar environment. I'm really trying to convince myself that this is something I should be buying.

    2. Re:Here's the point... by angusmci · · Score: 1

      Ungrounded Lightning wrote:

      The idea is that you carry your computer around with you, session and all.

      This makes it sound quite appealing to me. I quite often find myself using cybercafes and the Windows boxes they run tend to be lousy with malware (especially in the third world). I don't like typing passwords into these things, and I'm not able to set up skey or something similar on all the systems I need to access.

      I like the idea of a pocket-sized gizmo that I can plug into any computer, even the most comprehensively pwned, and get a safe, sterile environment set up the way I want it with all my tools and data. The alternative would presumably be Knoppix on a mini-CD, plus a USB thumb drive, but that would require a reboot, which makes cybercafe owners suspicious.

      I might wait until it's smaller, cheaper and MacOS-compatible, but I could see myself buying something like this eventually.

    3. Re:Here's the point... by BrianJacksonPhoto · · Score: 1

      He's right on the money here (to keep that price point theme going :)

      I saw this little device at LinuxWorld and at first I was like "what's up with the windos box?", then the demo from scratch started...Ahh, VERY COOL.

      Ok, say you're out and about and you need to SSH someplace, how many public windox PC's out there have an SSH client installed? Plug this in and bam! you're in an environment you are used to: shell, ssh, firefox with your bookmarks, your mail app, etc, etc.

      Sure, the storage could be increased and more memory would be nice, but it was just released on Tuesday. They said they're making more powerful units. Plus there's a SD slot for additional storage.

      To all the people who want it to have keyboards, LCD's, etc, those units already exist, buy one of those! This is a different approach and a nifty one at that.

      This thing is small, MUCH smaller than a PDA or blackberry (which is a stupid name in my opinion), it's like a large keychain attachment :o

  54. And I wouldn't swet the price miss. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Target was to make the small config for under $100 in bulk for schoolkids, maybe $200 in a big one with postage-stamp hard drive for the rest of us.

    And I wouldn't sweat the price miss - this is the early adopter version. I expect that, if it catches on, it will become the next key-fob flash drive, be everywhere, and cost next to nothing.

    (And why not? It does what you REALLY wanted to do with the flash drive fob, doesn't it?)

    Anyone want to see if they can look at the way this thing boots and come up with software to load on a bare flash drive an do something similar? B-)

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  55. PowerPC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, this is why everyone else in the world sees Linux supporters as freaks. Even Apple is turning their back on PowerPC architecture. Why in the world would you use this sort of a chip when there are so many other more supportable, faster and more power-friendly devices?

    And appropriately enough:

    To confirm you're not a script, please type the word in this image: apathy
  56. Re:Combine with USB Harddisk and other peripherals by SCVirus · · Score: 0

    Will a PC of the future just be a 'smart USB hub'? no, it has no advantages and is just clumsy.

  57. Re:Combine with USB Harddisk and other peripherals by psydad · · Score: 1

    "Thin Clients" - A technology before its time, so right, but also so wrong.
    I totally agree with the parent post.
    Why not a USB type device? How about just a "smart" card? I saw the Sun demo at a government conference, all Java, all just a hub. Totally transient, anywhere you go, there you are.

  58. The entire POINT ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Does it have have a screen?

    The entire POINT is that it doesn't have, or need, a screen. It uses the massive and standardized infrastructure of whatever it's plugged into.

    I don't see the value of having a handheld linux server that has to plug into a computer usb slot (over a usb memory chip with linux on it)

    A) What if you can't get the machine to boot from your pluggable USB meory?

    B) Becuse you carry your CPU around you have no archetecture limits on what you plug it into. Power PC, Alpha, X86, ARM, MIPS, whatever. Your binaries always work. And your performance is always the same, even if you plugged it into something ancient and pokey.

    C) Unplugging saves the entire state - window position, cursor position, open documents, applications in progress... Plugging in picks up exactly where you left off. Be editing a document. Stop with some keystroke at the office/school/library, make your next keystroke at home two hours later and fifty miles away. Try THAT with a memory stick.

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    1. Re:The entire POINT ... by mikiN · · Score: 1

      1) To save the state after unplugging, doesn't the device need some sort of backup power source (GoldCap, 'CMOS' battery)?

      2) If left unplugged for a long time, doesn't it need some form of RTC to keep time? Otherwise I can foresee lots of trouble with timestamp based document versioning systems when you try to commit a file that has an earlier timestamp than the one in the repository but which actually has more recent changes.

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    2. Re:The entire POINT ... by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Duh, have to retract 2). Of course the OS on the device can sync time with its host as soon as it is connected.

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    3. Re:The entire POINT ... by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      Yes, it has a battery precisely so that it can do a clean state save and to run the battery. The battery recharges when it's connected and running.

    4. Re:The entire POINT ... by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      Meant to say run the RTC

  59. This seems shady, but I could just be paranoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) The test host machine seemed to be running cygwin.

    2) `uname` told us it was running an x86 kernel but when we stepped aside and spoke with an engineer, he kept saying it was built on PowerPC.

    3) This engineer was pointing to what looked like the IC chip for the finger reader and called it a 'PowerPC chip'.

    4) The dog and pony show for this device was actually a mechanical bull ride where they gave away prizes. It just screamed "look at the bull, don't look too close at our product!" If a bucking bronco didn't float your boat, there were also 2 fine booth babes convincing guys to ride the bull.

    Call me paranoid, but I know I won't be the first in line to buy one of these ;)

  60. John Lovitt and Gary Coleman by fireheadca · · Score: 1

    I can think of better ways to market this thing,
    a movie is not one of them.

    Give me specs, not a cheezy, 'z' grade movie.

    Damn, I watched the whole thing and cant get those
    minutes back.

    Crap Crap, Now i go away.

  61. A small SCO company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't download any of the somewhat large files from here, and most definitely don't go and find any 500+ MB files anywhere on sco.com to download (and if you do, be sure not to sure them with us). I seem to recall a large video file maybe, or perhaps there were some iso's...

  62. Terminals? by otisg · · Score: 1

    Nice. Do they also make minime monitors I can put in my other pocket?

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  63. Re:Michael Anderer and Realm by blang · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mod up parent please.
    Or i'll do one better, repeat the whole post here:

    Cut from an AC post:

      Michael E. Anderer, of the SCOX "Halloween" memo fame is the CTO of Realm Systems. His old homepage "S2 consulting" hosted the developer forum for Realm. A number of other M$FT links raise the disturbing question if this product is real or elaborate "opposition" research on the part of Redmond.

    Realm Systems has secured an additional $9 million dollars in funding on July 7, 2005.

    The paper SEC filing, describing the new funding has been secured by penguinistas, and is available at : Debt and bridge financing

    $7.5 MM came from a single unnamed individual.

    Frank Artale, an ex-M$FT VP for NT, was appointed chairman of the board of Realm in January, 2005 , when Realm had secured a previous $8 million dollar investment.

    Frank Artale and Michael Anderer's stories first become entertwined over Entirenet. Entirenet is a Redmond and Bellevue, Washington based Windows documentation company. Anderer served as nominal CEO of Entirenet in the 2001- 2003 timeframe. Artale, then serving as Veritas VP for Windows had purchased Entirenet for Veritas in March 2001 for an undisclosed ammount.

    Anderer, acting as CEO of Entirenet, announced the acquisition of the South Carolina M$FT training firm, HunterStone, in November, 2002.

    Artale had left Veritas by March 2003 when his next venture "Consera Software" was announced. Consera had venture funding provided by Ignition Partners, a Seattle venture outfit staffed with a prominent group of ex-M$FT VP's, including Cameron Myhrvold. Myhrvold has especially close ties to Artale.

    Anderer left Entirenet about this time.

    Frank Artale has continued to work with Ignition Partners. He was appointed Chairman of the Board of Rendition Networks in Sept 2004, as part of a $6 million dollar Ignition investment. Rendition was quickly sold in Dec, 2004.

    Other Artale ventures include Therion, sold in May 2005. He has recently added to the Kenai Software board in July 2005 Kenai's executives, e.g. David Mock and Byrren Yates (CFO) overlap Realm's executives and public investors. Artale is considered an expert on the profitable exit sale of start ups. Other Frank Artale endeavors include advisory roles at Zenprise, Centrify, Accel Partners, and formerly a board position at Level 8.

    Michael Anderer's continuing relationship with the Seattle-area venture capital organized by highly placed ex-M$FT VP's indicates his reputation has survived the Halloween memo release.

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    -- Another senseless waste of fine bytes.
  64. Don't Let That Fool You! by emcmanus · · Score: 3, Funny

    They never mean it. It's equivalent to saying "I support the war, but don't want to fight in it." In case you think I'm lying, test out their "commitment" by engaging in a conversation about, for example, the importance of data typing in a weak static typed environment. Explain how it allows the compiler to catch errors! Then watch as she walks away... ... And don't ask how I know I'm right.

    1. Re:Don't Let That Fool You! by acb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which could mean that she's not a geek, or that she has a PhD in compiler design and resents being condescended at by someone who assumes they know more than she does (even with geeks, the nuances of interpersonal communication matter), or that she's a Lisp/Python hacker who thinks that static typing is irrelevant but doesn't feel like getting into an argument about it.

      Besides which, the assumption that women who like geeks must be geeks on the same level is not necessarily true. Nor is it necessary; the ability to have post-coital conversations about kernel optimisations is somewhat overrated.

    2. Re:Don't Let That Fool You! by Jack_the_Tripper · · Score: 2, Funny

      the ability to have post-coital conversations about kernel optimisations is somewhat overrated.
      Hey...Don't knock it till you try it, Buster

    3. Re:Don't Let That Fool You! by pimpsoftcom · · Score: 1
      Nor is it necessary; the ability to have post-coital conversations about kernel optimisations is somewhat overrated.

      Sex before code? Sex at all?
      Despite your userid I am forced to assume that you must be new here ;)

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  65. I can beat this! by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1
    http://www.uclinux.org/hand-powered_web_server/ind ex.html

    Well, hows that for small? Don't even need a power cable! Booya!

    And to eliminate the Slashdot effect jokes now... does their webserver run on one of these?

  66. Mod parent and grandparent up please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Mod parent and grandparent up please

  67. Hub? by Jetson · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of people are assuming that it shows up as a single USB device. A far more likely scenario is that it has an internal USB hub and several separate USB devices that all communicate with the PC over the same connection. That would allow it to appear to be both a network connection and a storage device at the same time. The site says that it can be configured to automatically install software on the host computer, so autorun is probably involved. It would have to emulate a CD-Rom as Windows does not support autorun on RAM devices.

  68. Patented???!!! by Device666 · · Score: 0

    First of all the website says: BlackDog offers open source developers an exciting new platform for mobilizing software applications. and then at the bottom of the website it says: © 2005 Realm Systems, Inc. The BlackDog Mobile Personal Server is proprietary technology developed by Realm Systems, Inc. and is patent pending. All Rights Reserved. As a open source developer I don't like software patents, that's why demonstrated in Strassbourg. What exactly is it that is patented here? I would buy such device if I don't have a answer like "no software is being patented". As a open source user I want to compile stuff and install a linux I prefer on that box. So how fast would a PowerPC 400Mhz compile while installing linux from source? Not that fast. It has the same power of a PDA and so it its performance is not comparable to an average pc. The price is very attractive, most PDA's are more expensive. Though it would be nice if it had a screen and a battery, some usb ports for mouse and keyboard so I could also use it standalone. Than it would be very portable. I see also there is officially support for linux and Window.. But how does the device work on MacOSX or FreeBSD?

  69. PowerPC CPU - Mac OSX? by capiendo · · Score: 1

    i wonder if Mac OSX will install on it, very minimal install. someone want to write kernel extensions/drivers for it? or maybe just use Mac-on-Linux?

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    1. Re:PowerPC CPU - Mac OSX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i wonder if Mac OSX will install on it, very minimal install.

      Well if it doesn't the Mac community could simply port it.

      Oh, hang on. I've just remembered it's a closed source, proprietary OS. Bad luck.

      Still, I'm sure you could port Darwin. Everyone's always talking about how generous Apple are to make that available as open source. So I'm sure it must be every bit as pretty and usable as Mac OSX.

    2. Re:PowerPC CPU - Mac OSX? by tre4lien · · Score: 1

      Similar to the first thing I thought - I would give Apple my first-born for an instant/USB way to posess any computer with the Spirit of my Mac!

      That is, if I had a Mac... And if I *did* have a Mac, I would want it to be the size of the mac mini (including the neccessary battery) and be able to do what this thing does! It would be Ideal for School or work environments where there are countless computers to use, but none of them are yours, nor are they Macs!

      Which begs the question...could someone knowledgeable about USB Hosts/Clients write something to make any *nix system behave like this?

  70. Applications by marquise2000 · · Score: 1
    Actually, this thing is a biometric super-smartcard with optional root access from anywhere. This means, that you can load trusted applications into the device and have trusted access to the device from everywhere. If a couple of posters wondered about the uses of such a device, I have some immediate ideas (other from a 100mA cluster node):
    • Secure access to corporate network. The blackdog would install a vpn tunnel between the blackdog device itself and the corporate network, i.e. tunneling the host completely, running the corporate apps via the blackdog. This means you can access data from an untrusted and definitely virus infested host (Internet cafe, Windows XP). keyloggers shouldn't be able to log anything interesting, because authentification is done on the blackdog.
    • actually safe online banking/credit card transactions. This currently requires an external card reader and software installation. This device would allow me to make secure payments from almost everywhere, using the same kind of tunnel scheme as above. Remember all the sci-fi movies where you can pay with a fingerprint? Why should you trust their fingerprint reader, when you can have your own?
    • for the overcautious: you should be able to boot from the thing, right? Into the apps!
    • It would make an excellent and cheap solution for network licencing. The blackdog runs a FlexLM kind of licence monitor, licences can be upgraded through trusted channels, usage conditions could be freely programmed. Administrators are not harmed, they just plug the thing into a machine with a network connection and are done.
    • An external virus scanner/a plug in remote debugger.
    • Plug the device in, it starts a program that loads the current routing table into the blackdog, disables access to every network device on the host, (except for the blackdog which installes a kernel driver) and sets the default route to a blackdog controlled usb network device. What have you got? A hardware firewall.
    • You can encrypt your harddisk with a really long key
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    Marquise

    -- I need a new sig.

  71. What would happen... by wzzrd · · Score: 1

    if I would connect a whole bunch of Blackdogs to my computer? Would it result in a dogfight? Would it be called a 'Blackdog kennel'? Can I build a cluster of Blackdogs like that? And most importantly: do they bark, if an unauthorized person tries to use it?

  72. I want a thin client, not a thin server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a thin client - i.e., ethernet (wireless?) to keyboard, mouse and video ports - not a thin server. My session runs on an always-on machine in a warehouse somewhere, and I access it using VNC / remote X / ssh / whatever. I'd like to be able to do so without using a noisey / bulky PC.

    Having looked at several possible solutions it looks like the video output is the difficult bit; little short of a real PC can do 1600x1200 DVI.

  73. cold to hot site by blacked_0ut · · Score: 1

    I can see these being used to make cold sites hot in a matter of seconds. If I had the little guy programmed to run my Firewall, another to run my DNS, etc... etc... I can plug these guys in boot from cdrom in the event that something goes bad on my hard-disks. This way the company stays live until I can take things down to fix them. Sounds like it could be an easy way to make you look like you have everything under control. Although yes it would be nice if they put Microdrives in them so that you could install a complete os on it and just walk around plugging it in to do dirty little tricks. Point of Sales system password brute forcing all via the little handheld usb. Or anything along those lines. I can see future application of people using these things as super covert hacking tools. Just get a mini blackberry sized keyboard dropped on it and a small hard-drive to hold all my friends and a simple lcd I could run terminal commands from the little bugger. Now all I need is a wireless card installed and the possibilities are endless.

  74. I sence Disterbance in the force. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    It is like a million of tight ass system/security Administrators are yelling in anguish!

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  75. Cluster by FreshnFurter · · Score: 1

    I know the cluster joke is an open door, but seriously. USBhub == cluster Does it run pvm? Look at me mom, no racks!

    1. Re:Cluster by BlackDogBoy · · Score: 1

      Not to disappoint, but the CPU doesn't have an FPU, so while building PVM for it is trivial it wouldn't have much computing power.

      It does keep things straight when multiple devices are plugged in at once.

  76. Indeed, What? by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1
    Sure, it might not be a production server for Google or Amazon, but all my servers are slower than that and have no problems at all with the workload I have.

    64 MBs of DRAM might be just a slight bit on the low end, but I really don't see a problem running a LAMP server on it. Or a mail server, for that matter. I actually don't really see what kind of a server you could not run on it (except possibly Tomcat ;).

  77. Shell Access? Or just a 'file server' by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Looks like its nothing more then just some storage space.. Big deal..

    Now if you can actuall run applications on it, now that would be something to look at.

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    1. Re:Shell Access? Or just a 'file server' by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

      Looks like its nothing more then just some storage space.. Big deal..

      Now if you can actuall run applications on it, now that would be something to look at.


      I bow before your superior reading comprehension skills, oh mighty one.

      Did it not occur to you that a 400Mhz PPC processor and 64MB of RAM was a little excessive for a USB storage device?

    2. Re:Shell Access? Or just a 'file server' by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Did it not occur to you that the article didnt state any more features then storing of data?

      Just because they tossed decent power in it, doesnt mean they will let you get to it.

      Companies do dumb things. Often. So id rather not just assume, unlike you.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    3. Re:Shell Access? Or just a 'file server' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      id rather not just assume

      But you did make an assumption on what the device was, then decided to actually post something snide and dismissive without doing a single second of additional fucking research.

      Good luck with that attitude. You're going to get nowhere in life!

  78. That Depends On ATM, And The Person by saudadelinux · · Score: 1

    I've shown the woman I work with (she's blind, I'm her reader) how to use the ATM here, and she's as good as anyone who's sighted. For this one, which is one of the insert kind, it's just remembering the keystrokes. Swipe one's would be harder. The first question it asks is, do you want a receipt or not.

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  79. Is it using PowerPC 440 from IBM? by btanoue · · Score: 1

    Hey, I've been doing a lot of embedded design with PowerPC 440 from IBM. They really are quick little things. They support this neat APU (aux processor unit) that lets you create custom logic with custom instruction sets (think DSP/Co-processor etc). Just wondering...

  80. (no that one) by wh00dini · · Score: 0

    isn't "that one" actually this one?
    http://www.novell.com/

  81. Re:Surprising (hmm, wake up) by gosand · · Score: 1
    it may work much better as a chick-magnet than you think. Any "chick" that goes "WoW! Debian too!", and means it - is a keeper.

    Hmm, not sure about that. My wife is impressed with all my computer skillz because she isn't into computers that much. All I need is a wife who knows how to compile a kernel taunting me because she is running a newer version that I am.

    The perfect "barbie" filter if you will.

    I am pretty sure being a geek is a barbie filter in and of itself.

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  82. It's 3.5" long by Gruneun · · Score: 1

    So, yeah, I must be really happy.

  83. Are you mad?!? by Cybrex · · Score: 1

    the ability to have post-coital conversations about kernel optimisations is somewhat overrated.
    I married a chemistry geek rather than a code geek, but I think the basic point carries over into all forms of geekdom.

    Trust me on this: there's nothing hotter than spooning with a naked blonde while she discusses inductively coupled plasma. Schwing!!! :-)

    -Cybrex

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    1. Re:Are you mad?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "there's nothing hotter than spooning with a naked blonde while she discusses inductively coupled plasma."

      Yeah there is. That same blonde swallowing your inductively coupled plasma.

  84. security ramifications? by ohzero · · Score: 1

    So basically, it's a pocket sized device that can act as a server which plugs into any usb port and takes control of everything from screen to nic, and everything inbetween....in other words, it's more than likely utilizing the same mac and ip that it's host had, and certainly opens up some interesting questions about what you could do with the device API (assuming there is one). Then again, it runs on debian, so I guess you could just recompile whatever toolset you wanted on the thing, have all jobs run on cron, and tape it to the underside of a desk.

    As far as being limited storage-wise, you could have it own up boxes and nfs stuff back out to itself I guess...

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  85. Mechanical Bull by celsor · · Score: 1

    I wonder if anybody would give a damn about this thing if they didn't have a mechanical bull at Linux World?

    1. Re:Mechanical Bull by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      The guy giving the "presentation" struck me as a total jackass, throwing t-shirts around, yelling "we're not dot-com, we're dot-open-source!!", and generally acting like some kind of rock star. What an ass.

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      I like my women like my coffee... pale and bitter.
    2. Re:Mechanical Bull by shungopavi · · Score: 1

      lol, I was that ass and if I offended you in anyway I do apologize. My only goal was to try and have some fun with everyone at LinuxWorld. My goal was simple, I thought everyone might be tired of the same old boring PowerPoint slides and dry pitch. I don't recall saying "we're not dot-com, we're dot-open-source!!" but I do remember throwing out T-shirts and acting pretty goofy. Again, it was only meant to add some fun to the event, nothing more. Oh and if anyone from American Idol reads this, when do I get my call back I'M A ROCK STAR!!

    3. Re:Mechanical Bull by celsor · · Score: 1

      Truth be told, the bull was by far the most fun at LinuxWorld. Bring it back next year!

  86. fingergear computer on a stick (COS) and bio flash by lovesfreebsd · · Score: 1

    I saw this posting and couldn't help to comment. I just got the fingergear cos on a stick and it's helping me in all kinds of emergency situations in my datacenter. (http://fingergear.com/ I no longer have to install a cd rom to boot to trouble shoot DNS problems or other config problems and I also have the USB BIO FLASH DRIVE from fingergear so that if I leave my computer on a stick in the datacenter it's protected by a biometric finger scan. It's much smaller than anything out there (fits in my shirt pocket or the palm of my hand (no it doesn't melt in your hand.) It's just a great product that's helped me out of a lot of tuff messes. I'm even experimenting with running some dumbservers and firewalls using only the COS and bio flash drives. I also use it when my friends call me up to fix their computers that are crashed. I just stick it in and have loaded some diagonostics tools so I can find their problems quickly. It holds up to 8GB so I don't have any worry about what apps I run so imo its the best out there for portable computing. The BIO flash drive even has a LCD screen. http://fingergear.com/ --- more info for you guys: The FingerGear Bio USB Flash Drive with LCD is the most portable and secure USB data storage device on the market today. With its own LCD to guide you through fingerprint setup and operation, the FingerGear device requires no software to run on a host PC. The FingerGear Bio USB Flash Drive is both PC, Linux, & Mac interoperable and truly Plug-n-Play. Using Bionopoly's highly accurate onboard fingerprint engine, a single swipe of the finger confirms a user's identity and grants the access to their secured data. Using the latest USB 2.0 silicon, the FingerGear Flash Drive family are capable of blazingly fast read speeds up to 18 Megabytes per second and write speeds of up to 13 Megabytes per second. Features Simple LCD Setup & Operation Built-in One-Time Passcode (OTP) Generator No Software Required Fingerprint Authentication in http://fingergear.com/bio_usb_flash_drive.php --- The Computer-On-a-Stick (COS) is a USB Flash Drive featuring its own Onboard Operating System together with a full suite of Microsoft Office-compatible applications. The Computer-On-a-Stick also boasts the powerful Mozilla Firefox Web Browser, Evolution email, and Yahoo & MSN compatible Instant Messenger for superior Internet connectivity Plug the Computer-On-a-Stick into your PC or Laptop and instantly transform your old environment into a new and powerful secure workstation - without a hard disk! The combination of low cost and a powerful Onboard Operating System opens up a whole new paradigm of computing. Users get all the benefits of a thin client solution without changing their existing PC hardware or software. Use the Computer-On-a-Stick when your PC or Laptop's existing OS slows to a crawl or even fails. Use the Computer-On-a-Stick to continue working on Windows-compatible documents. The Computer-On-a-Stick is compatible with files created in Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Paint, and more... No need to pay for expensive new software releases or upgrades $$$ ! View and create Adobe PDF files Share a pool of office PCs or work from home without changing your own desktop each time you use the device. Reduce your exposure to viruses, worms and spyware by running applications from a read-only partition on the device. Connect to remote servers with secure connectivity tools, including VNC, SSH and RDP. High Speed (USB 2.0) Ultra Fast System Startup with USB 2.0 Shutdown within seconds Web, email and remote server or PC access Non-volatile Flash memory for all stored data. Capacities: 256MB, 512MB, 1G, 2G, 4G, up to 8 Gigabytes! Compression utility with password protection No hard disk required Linux 2.6.x Series Kernel Gnome GUI Desktop Latest Mozilla Firefox Web Browser OpenOffice Productivity Suite, including the following applications: 1. Word Processing 2. Spreadsheets 3. Vector Drawings 4. Slide Presenta

  87. Re: Red head/Nerd TShirt (was Re:Surprising) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was that in Seattle? She's an Envrionmental Scientist.

  88. Re:fingergear computer on a stick (COS) and bio fl by kvigor · · Score: 1

    While it was jolly considerate of you to cut-n-paste your brochure for us, Mr. FingerGear, I do wonder what made you think that was appropriate in this context. It seems the FingerGear is in fact a simple USB thumb drive with a Linux distro preinstalled, which is rather a long way from the true standalone system the BlackDog is. For instance, I'd be interested in the CPU the device uses; the web site is strangely silent on the issue.

  89. Hoping to inherit a 386? by Hanzie · · Score: 1
    I might just inherit an old 20 MHz 386 if...


    Dude, if you're looking forward to inheriting that, just post your UPS able receiving address and the phrase "please donate anything x86 20mz or better" and you'll have no end of raw material "inherited" your way. Lot's of us have old boxen looking for a home.

    hanzie.
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  90. Well, that teaches *me* to post before I research! by cduffy · · Score: 1

    Heh -- so the Linux-USB Gadget folks *do* have an Ethernet-over-USB driver already available and working... yall's hardware does work with the Gadget interface, right?

  91. Not really -- Re:Hoping to inherit a 386? by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

    Like Lisa2.com, it might make a great tribute to older technology having a 386 up and running, but it serves no practical purpose for me. I could care less if I get it or not.

    Those of us with old boxes might consider setting up a compile farm for distcc to use. That's what I'm doing with my various old boxes (two Power Mac 8500's, a PowerCenter Pro, the 386, a box of Socket 3 and Socket 7 motherboards, an overclocked Pentium II, and the spare clock cycles of a Pentium 4 home server). Xcode lets me use distcc for compilations, and so does Gentoo.

    Though, replace "20 MHz 386" with "Power Mac G4 or G5" and I might just post my address... :-)

  92. Re:Michael Anderer and Realm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current Realm Systems page shows someone else is CTO. Was this just recently changed, or was the deck just reshuffled?

    http://realmsys.com/about.htm

    Gary Barbour, PhD, CTO

            * 30 years experience in networking and distributed computing
            * Professor computer science and electrical engineering
            * Co-founder Phobos Corporation, developing leading security SSL technology
    ---------------

    What about the CEO and COO, what are their connections with SCOX and/or M$FT if any?

  93. Anderer gets the boot by Stats_for_all · · Score: 1
    Michael E. Anderer of SCOX Halloween memo fame has been stripped of his CTO listing on the Realmsys.com/about page. Former CIO Gary Barbour has been assigned this postion.

    The change occured between Thursday 8/11 and Saturday (8/13) at 3:52:41 GMT (Friday night Utah time) when Google cached the new page.

    MSN Search still maintains the old page in its cache from a 8/10 spider.

    The change in web page occured subsequent to the grandparent Slashdot post (by myself as AC) describing relationships of Michael Anderer and investors in the Realm Systems startup. It is not known if Anderer's apparent demotion was the result of sensitivity to this information, or a long overdue change by a young company seeking its place in the open-source universe.

    1. Re:Anderer gets the boot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He actually steped down as CTO several months ago and they never updated the website. He is still involved here and on other Linux and Unix projects... maybe he really is platform and OS agnostic...

      I also suspect the current CTO probably wanted some of the credit for the new product...

      Don't give yourself to much credit.....

      How is the weather on Morro bay?

  94. Anderer gets some hits by isn't+my+name · · Score: 1

    It is not known if Anderer's apparent demotion was the result of sensitivity to this information, or a long overdue change by a young company seeking its place in the open-source universe.

    Very interesting. I'm pretty sure that the RealmSys page still showed Anderer Friday morning because I remember looking at it.

    I can also say that the AC link to the SEC filing saw some hits from Utah and Seattle broadband providers on Friday. I believe there was an Off Topic thread on Groklaw earlier this week.

    My guess would be for the change being a result of this increased scrutiny. My question is whether it is a cosmetic change or if he is really out of a job.

  95. Realm changes CTO after Slashdot story by isn't+my+name · · Score: 1

    Well, it seems that the very same Mike Anderer is is CTO of Realm Systems makers of this device.

    Rather, it seems that until very, very recently, Anderer was the CTO. On Friday morning (12 Aug), Anderer was still listed. As of Saturday evening he was not.

  96. Re: Red head/Nerd TShirt (was Re:Surprising) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no western new york, she's a rebelious conservative