In this case, maybe not a big deal. Say, however, you'd like to take an app that would normally consume 30% of your CPU and convert it to JS: Then it would require 105% of your CPU and you'll be screwed. (It's actually worse than that: I have a dual core processor, so a JS app couldn't use more than 50%, An app that would normally consume 15% would not work in JS)
I'm the first to admit that premature optimization is the root of all evil, Javascript has severe performance and functionality limitations. The language itself is arguably worse than languages that don't. This isn't like c#/java vs C. Javascript isn't easier or faster to develop in for most situations.
". Compared to a Silverlight solution, the JS player is 3.5 times larger (535kb vs 154kb), uses about 3.6 times as much CPU power (25% vs 7%), and has to have significant modifications to work in multiple browsers."
Can you please tell me what modifications are necessary to use the silverlight plugin on my Solaris SPARC system? You say it works in multiple browsers so I would like to test your assertion.
No modification needed, just install it: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight.
If Silverlight isn't your thing, Flash or Java would also be better solutions. The point wasn't that Silverlight is great; it was that JS is terrible.
The big picture is we're all getting on board with a language that, like you, most everybody hates and hates for a good reason:p
My post wasn't intended to be Silverlight propaganda (though I do like Silverlight). I'm sure Java or Flash would have also beat the pants off a JS implementation. I just happened to find a Silverlight player to test quickly.
It's cool that somebody got this working. That said, looking at this sort of things further enforces my belief that we're all barking up the wrong tree by going with JS+html as client side development environment of the future. Compared to a Silverlight solution, the JS player is 3.5 times larger (535kb vs 154kb), uses about 3.6 times as much CPU power (25% vs 7%), and has to have significant modifications to work in multiple browsers. Not really progress.
The fairest penalty is no penalty. We need to end the war on sharing by legalizing noncommercial copyright infringement.
Why would anybody go through the trouble and expense to create quality movies, tv, music, books, software etc if it's legal to just take the end product without paying? Sure, some people will pay out of principle, but if it's perfectly legal most people will just take it. Without funding, I'm sure there will still be hobby projects, but nothing on the scale we currently enjoy.
To effectively prevent piracy the penalty has to be such that PenaltyAmount * ProbabilityOfGettingCaught > SavingsByPirating. Right now the chance of getting caught is quite low, so the fine has to be quite high. Perhaps the problem is actually that the *IAA isn't suing enough people. If ProbabilityOfGettingCaught was close to 1, the PenaltyAmount could be quite close to the actual value of the item pirated
Really? The unemployment rate in November of 2008 was 6.9%. Today, it's at 9.6%. So are you telling me that -2.7% is ADDING jobs? Were you a math major?
The second derivative of the chart you linked is negative which implies jobs are being added. The dems came to power in early 2009* and the rate of job loss began to slow a couple months after that. Unemployment peaked in fall 2009 and has declined since then. Things are actually getting better, your cherry picked numbers do lie.
* Fun fact: While elections were in nov 2008, inauguration day wasn't until late jan 2009
And just what product did they do a "Crap job" of copying? There's nothing out there with the same focus as the Kin. The failure had more to do with Verizon's ridiculous network charges then anything on the phone really.
They will continue to get access to everything they have already and get a crap ton of credits for future stuff. A friend of mine has a lifetime subscription and doesn't seem to feel slighted by the changes.
I guess what I'm really not getting is, if Joe Schmo gets caught using his 1979 Impala to haul illegal copies of Free Willy DVDs, will the RIAA/MPAA sue Chevrolet?
If Chevy was actively advertising how many illegal DVDs you can fit in the car and DVD bootlegging in Impalas ran rampant maybe. Otherwise, they are probably safe. It seems to come down to if a product is used mainly for illegal activity and the manufacturer encourages that illegal activity. Google's and Chevy's products serve mostly legal purposes. Limewire and co have some legal uses, but mostly are used for illegal file sharing. It's a somewhat nebulous issue since it's hard to say what "mainly used for" and "encouraging" actually mean. The courts seem to be busily establishing case law for that though.
Why is the "classic" menu so much superior for you? For most tasks, the ribbon is able to accomplish the same tasks in the same or less number of clicks. It doesn't really take up much more screen real estate then a couple traditional bars. I don't understand whats to "really really hate".
If only I could get a refund for my hundreds of web songs:(
Serves you right for paying for a license to listen to music instead of a downloaded file that you keep.
I was able to license 716 songs for $40. I didn't have to waste space storing them on my computer and I could listen to them anywhere. If I downloaded the songs I would have gotten 676 less and it would be a real pain to listen to them anywhere I wanted. Sometimes renting is a better deal. Knowing what I know now, I'd still buy the web songs. I'm just pissed I have to download and keep a measly 40 songs with my refund like you suggest I should have done in the first place.
I requested a refund check in the mail instead of a iTunes credit for the 20 cents left in my wallet... If only I could get a refund for my hundreds of web songs:(
I see McDonalds taking a lot of flak from people here. Just thought I'd point out that the food there isn't necessarily bad for you. My favorite meal is a McChicken, Fruit & Walnut Salad, Yougurt, and Diet Dr. Pepper. Lets compare that to equivalent menu items (kids turkey sandwhich, fuit cup, yogurt, and diet drink) from Panera Bread Co
McDonalds: 700 Calories (240 from fat. No trans fat), 960mg sodium, 48g sugar. $4.70
Panera: 650 calories (190 from fat. No trans fat), 1270 sodium, 45g sugar. $12 (estimated)
really about the same. I eat there quite a bit and am fit as a fiddle because I choose sensible options when I'm there, don't eat there every day, and exercise regularly.
Admittedly, if you decide to pound down a large big mac combo (sandwhich, drink, and fries) and treat yourself to a McFlurry, you're going to have 1910 calories (630 from fat, 2.5g trans fat), 1660mg sodium, and 167g sugar which is pretty much 100% of your daily allotment of all of those. But I don't see McDonald's being at fault if you want to over eat.
Oracle make more money every 2 to 3 week than Red Hat makes every 6 to 12 months.
That isn't an exactly fair comparison since Oracle is a much larger company than Red Hat. Look at it this way: Red Hat pulls in about 28k net income per employee while Oracle pulls in 79k per employee*. So yes, Red Hat has managed to make some money off OSS, but really not very much compared to what other software shops make. For further comparison: Microsoft makes 156k per employee, Google 213k, and Apple 240k. Maybe Oracle should take some notes from them instead.
*This new comparison is somewhat generous to Red Hats software business model since RHT makes a much larger amount of it's income from financial activities (as opposed to software) then pretty much any other tech company.
"These phones have no downloadable apps, no games, not even a calendar. They're not meant to be expandable smart phones; instead very good messaging phones."
Nice job, Microsoft. Way to ignore the growing trends in favor of your own way. After all, you certainly know better than those lousy consumers.
I was talking to my 23 year old sister about this phone. Here's an interesting snippet
[17:02] Sister: it looks cool
[17:02] Sister: too bad it's not sprint
[17:03] Me: Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what price details emerge this month
[17:03] Sister: it's cool you don't have to get apps for it, the features are built in
[17:03] Me: haha all the nerds are holding that against it
[17:04] Sister: and the camera capability is good!
[17:04] Sister: i don't want to have to hunt around for 20 apps
[17:04] Sister: it would work right away
Not only did she not care about the lack of app store, she saw it as a bonus. It looks like MSFT was definitely listening to a consumer segment when they designed the phone. It will be interesting to see just how many people like my sister there are out there.
I really don't like that whole idea of the app screen being larger than the screen and you end up sliding things about to see stuff. They need to start paying some serious cash to steal designers away from Apple or something.
You do realize that once you have a sufficient number of apps, the iPhone app panel works just like the Kin one right?
They just don't get it, imo. The egg shaped one looks like a iPhone and Blackberry's retarded child. To be fair the rectangular one isn't too bad but nothing says cool about it.
I've read quite a few articles on this thing. Interestingly, the Kin 1 (egg shaped one), is getting all the good press and the Kin 2 (candy bar) is being derided as just another blah blah smart phone form factor. While I too am more attracted to the Kin 2 form factor, I think MS really did their homework and the Kin 1 will prove to be more popular among the devices target audience. Somebody here doesn't get it, but it isn't MS.
My strategy is to just not worry about it. I post whatever I fee like on the internet and if my employer decides to fire me over it, tough shit for him. I'm an awesome employee and there's plenty of companies that would gladly hire me with full knowledge of my dirty liberal ways. Of course my stance is made easier by the fact that the software industry tends to be pretty relaxed about ideological stances or weekend indiscretions that don't effect job performance.
Microsoft employs a lot more Chinese developers then Google (or most anybody for that matter). MS pays those developers about twice as much as other tech companies and 10 times as much as the average labor in the area. Perhaps they are doing more good by spurring economic development in china. That development leads to more people being able to have internet access. More people will see the censorship and really no filter can prevent everything from getting through.
I suppose they could still employ people in China and just not offer their software there anymore, but that seems like a poor way to conduct business given a lot of the Chinese employees work on China specific stuff
Awhile back I read another similar article. In the article the smallest PE created is a bit larger (97 bytes), but a little more standards compliant. More interestingly, however, the author crafts a program that downloads and executes another program in only 133 bytes.
Do they get the Microsoft products for free? If they do, then there's a real issue there.
If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please. Upper management needs to STFU.
MS employees don't get anything free. They get steep discounts on MS software (85% or so off), but only a small discount on on hardware. I have, on occasion, seen xboxes for sale commercially for less then in the employee store. I did a year long contract for MS in the mobile division and I never heard of upper management discouraging iPhone use. The FTEs on my team used a wide range of mobile devices and I think it really helped to broaden people's horizons. I think management understood that. That said, MS is a very large creature and I saw only a little corner of it.
The fact that anyone else in the rest of the country gives a damn is an example of how eroded state's rights have become. Why should I care? I don't live in Texas.
People care because textbook manufacturers try to create copies that appeal to the largest markets possible. Thus when Texas, a very large market in and of itself, cooks up a crazy curriculum for itself, the textbooks used nationwide get sucked down with it.
I think most slashdotters would be cranky if PF was trying to make it so the end user wasn't able to split the album up for private mixed tapes and whatnot after it had been purchased. In this case, PF is just trying to sell a product they created under terms to PFs liking. The end user can then buy or not buy it according to his/her whim.
Honestly I'm not rooting for html 5 to replace flash/Silverlight for RIA. I don't like having to have 5 times as many tests in my matrix (one for each browser). I don't like having to write ajax shims whenever I want to use the db from the client. I don't like how hard it is to make reusable html controls that can't break other parts of the site. I don't like how javascript scales up for larger projects... the list goes on. I'm welcome some improvements to html+javascript and for using it to display documents. That said, It simply isn't designed for RIA. Flash/Silverlight are.
My problem goes a step further. I like to stay awake for 20 hours and then sleep for like 10. I spend the same amount of my life sleeping/awake as a normal person, just in longer chunks. Trouble is, left to my own devices, I effectively "stay up" 4 hours later each night untill I wrap back around. Before I had a job I could actually live like that. It was kind of a strange sensation brushing my teeth with my roommate at midnight; She was going to bed, i just got up.
I've had 70+ teachers over the years. Maybe 4 of them were "bad". On the other hand, I've had to be in class with hundreds of lazy, disruptive, and/or stupid students who waste the entire class' time. If we got rid of the dead weight students, we could improve as a whole.
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In this case, maybe not a big deal. Say, however, you'd like to take an app that would normally consume 30% of your CPU and convert it to JS: Then it would require 105% of your CPU and you'll be screwed. (It's actually worse than that: I have a dual core processor, so a JS app couldn't use more than 50%, An app that would normally consume 15% would not work in JS)
I'm the first to admit that premature optimization is the root of all evil, Javascript has severe performance and functionality limitations. The language itself is arguably worse than languages that don't. This isn't like c#/java vs C. Javascript isn't easier or faster to develop in for most situations.
". Compared to a Silverlight solution, the JS player is 3.5 times larger (535kb vs 154kb), uses about 3.6 times as much CPU power (25% vs 7%), and has to have significant modifications to work in multiple browsers."
Can you please tell me what modifications are necessary to use the silverlight plugin on my Solaris SPARC system? You say it works in multiple browsers so I would like to test your assertion.
No modification needed, just install it: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight. If Silverlight isn't your thing, Flash or Java would also be better solutions. The point wasn't that Silverlight is great; it was that JS is terrible.
The big picture is we're all getting on board with a language that, like you, most everybody hates and hates for a good reason :p
My post wasn't intended to be Silverlight propaganda (though I do like Silverlight). I'm sure Java or Flash would have also beat the pants off a JS implementation. I just happened to find a Silverlight player to test quickly.
It's cool that somebody got this working. That said, looking at this sort of things further enforces my belief that we're all barking up the wrong tree by going with JS+html as client side development environment of the future. Compared to a Silverlight solution, the JS player is 3.5 times larger (535kb vs 154kb), uses about 3.6 times as much CPU power (25% vs 7%), and has to have significant modifications to work in multiple browsers. Not really progress.
The fairest penalty is no penalty. We need to end the war on sharing by legalizing noncommercial copyright infringement.
Why would anybody go through the trouble and expense to create quality movies, tv, music, books, software etc if it's legal to just take the end product without paying? Sure, some people will pay out of principle, but if it's perfectly legal most people will just take it. Without funding, I'm sure there will still be hobby projects, but nothing on the scale we currently enjoy.
To effectively prevent piracy the penalty has to be such that PenaltyAmount * ProbabilityOfGettingCaught > SavingsByPirating. Right now the chance of getting caught is quite low, so the fine has to be quite high. Perhaps the problem is actually that the *IAA isn't suing enough people. If ProbabilityOfGettingCaught was close to 1, the PenaltyAmount could be quite close to the actual value of the item pirated
Really? The unemployment rate in November of 2008 was 6.9%. Today, it's at 9.6%. So are you telling me that -2.7% is ADDING jobs? Were you a math major?
The second derivative of the chart you linked is negative which implies jobs are being added. The dems came to power in early 2009* and the rate of job loss began to slow a couple months after that. Unemployment peaked in fall 2009 and has declined since then. Things are actually getting better, your cherry picked numbers do lie.
* Fun fact: While elections were in nov 2008, inauguration day wasn't until late jan 2009
And just what product did they do a "Crap job" of copying? There's nothing out there with the same focus as the Kin. The failure had more to do with Verizon's ridiculous network charges then anything on the phone really.
They will continue to get access to everything they have already and get a crap ton of credits for future stuff. A friend of mine has a lifetime subscription and doesn't seem to feel slighted by the changes.
I guess what I'm really not getting is, if Joe Schmo gets caught using his 1979 Impala to haul illegal copies of Free Willy DVDs, will the RIAA/MPAA sue Chevrolet?
If Chevy was actively advertising how many illegal DVDs you can fit in the car and DVD bootlegging in Impalas ran rampant maybe. Otherwise, they are probably safe. It seems to come down to if a product is used mainly for illegal activity and the manufacturer encourages that illegal activity. Google's and Chevy's products serve mostly legal purposes. Limewire and co have some legal uses, but mostly are used for illegal file sharing. It's a somewhat nebulous issue since it's hard to say what "mainly used for" and "encouraging" actually mean. The courts seem to be busily establishing case law for that though.
Why is the "classic" menu so much superior for you? For most tasks, the ribbon is able to accomplish the same tasks in the same or less number of clicks. It doesn't really take up much more screen real estate then a couple traditional bars. I don't understand whats to "really really hate".
If only I could get a refund for my hundreds of web songs :(
Serves you right for paying for a license to listen to music instead of a downloaded file that you keep.
I was able to license 716 songs for $40. I didn't have to waste space storing them on my computer and I could listen to them anywhere. If I downloaded the songs I would have gotten 676 less and it would be a real pain to listen to them anywhere I wanted. Sometimes renting is a better deal. Knowing what I know now, I'd still buy the web songs. I'm just pissed I have to download and keep a measly 40 songs with my refund like you suggest I should have done in the first place.
I requested a refund check in the mail instead of a iTunes credit for the 20 cents left in my wallet... If only I could get a refund for my hundreds of web songs :(
I see McDonalds taking a lot of flak from people here. Just thought I'd point out that the food there isn't necessarily bad for you. My favorite meal is a McChicken, Fruit & Walnut Salad, Yougurt, and Diet Dr. Pepper. Lets compare that to equivalent menu items (kids turkey sandwhich, fuit cup, yogurt, and diet drink) from Panera Bread Co
McDonalds: 700 Calories (240 from fat. No trans fat), 960mg sodium, 48g sugar. $4.70
Panera: 650 calories (190 from fat. No trans fat), 1270 sodium, 45g sugar. $12 (estimated)
really about the same. I eat there quite a bit and am fit as a fiddle because I choose sensible options when I'm there, don't eat there every day, and exercise regularly.
Admittedly, if you decide to pound down a large big mac combo (sandwhich, drink, and fries) and treat yourself to a McFlurry, you're going to have 1910 calories (630 from fat, 2.5g trans fat), 1660mg sodium, and 167g sugar which is pretty much 100% of your daily allotment of all of those. But I don't see McDonald's being at fault if you want to over eat.
[Oracle] only need to look towards Red Hat.
Oracle make more money every 2 to 3 week than Red Hat makes every 6 to 12 months.
That isn't an exactly fair comparison since Oracle is a much larger company than Red Hat. Look at it this way: Red Hat pulls in about 28k net income per employee while Oracle pulls in 79k per employee*. So yes, Red Hat has managed to make some money off OSS, but really not very much compared to what other software shops make. For further comparison: Microsoft makes 156k per employee, Google 213k, and Apple 240k. Maybe Oracle should take some notes from them instead.
*This new comparison is somewhat generous to Red Hats software business model since RHT makes a much larger amount of it's income from financial activities (as opposed to software) then pretty much any other tech company.
"These phones have no downloadable apps, no games, not even a calendar. They're not meant to be expandable smart phones; instead very good messaging phones."
Nice job, Microsoft. Way to ignore the growing trends in favor of your own way. After all, you certainly know better than those lousy consumers.
I was talking to my 23 year old sister about this phone. Here's an interesting snippet
[17:02] Sister: it looks cool
[17:02] Sister: too bad it's not sprint
[17:03] Me: Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what price details emerge this month
[17:03] Sister: it's cool you don't have to get apps for it, the features are built in
[17:03] Me: haha all the nerds are holding that against it
[17:04] Sister: and the camera capability is good!
[17:04] Sister: i don't want to have to hunt around for 20 apps
[17:04] Sister: it would work right away
Not only did she not care about the lack of app store, she saw it as a bonus. It looks like MSFT was definitely listening to a consumer segment when they designed the phone. It will be interesting to see just how many people like my sister there are out there.
I really don't like that whole idea of the app screen being larger than the screen and you end up sliding things about to see stuff. They need to start paying some serious cash to steal designers away from Apple or something.
You do realize that once you have a sufficient number of apps, the iPhone app panel works just like the Kin one right?
They just don't get it, imo. The egg shaped one looks like a iPhone and Blackberry's retarded child. To be fair the rectangular one isn't too bad but nothing says cool about it.
I've read quite a few articles on this thing. Interestingly, the Kin 1 (egg shaped one), is getting all the good press and the Kin 2 (candy bar) is being derided as just another blah blah smart phone form factor. While I too am more attracted to the Kin 2 form factor, I think MS really did their homework and the Kin 1 will prove to be more popular among the devices target audience. Somebody here doesn't get it, but it isn't MS.
My strategy is to just not worry about it. I post whatever I fee like on the internet and if my employer decides to fire me over it, tough shit for him. I'm an awesome employee and there's plenty of companies that would gladly hire me with full knowledge of my dirty liberal ways. Of course my stance is made easier by the fact that the software industry tends to be pretty relaxed about ideological stances or weekend indiscretions that don't effect job performance.
Microsoft employs a lot more Chinese developers then Google (or most anybody for that matter). MS pays those developers about twice as much as other tech companies and 10 times as much as the average labor in the area. Perhaps they are doing more good by spurring economic development in china. That development leads to more people being able to have internet access. More people will see the censorship and really no filter can prevent everything from getting through.
I suppose they could still employ people in China and just not offer their software there anymore, but that seems like a poor way to conduct business given a lot of the Chinese employees work on China specific stuff
Awhile back I read another similar article. In the article the smallest PE created is a bit larger (97 bytes), but a little more standards compliant. More interestingly, however, the author crafts a program that downloads and executes another program in only 133 bytes.
Do they get the Microsoft products for free? If they do, then there's a real issue there.
If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please. Upper management needs to STFU.
MS employees don't get anything free. They get steep discounts on MS software (85% or so off), but only a small discount on on hardware. I have, on occasion, seen xboxes for sale commercially for less then in the employee store. I did a year long contract for MS in the mobile division and I never heard of upper management discouraging iPhone use. The FTEs on my team used a wide range of mobile devices and I think it really helped to broaden people's horizons. I think management understood that. That said, MS is a very large creature and I saw only a little corner of it.
The fact that anyone else in the rest of the country gives a damn is an example of how eroded state's rights have become. Why should I care? I don't live in Texas.
People care because textbook manufacturers try to create copies that appeal to the largest markets possible. Thus when Texas, a very large market in and of itself, cooks up a crazy curriculum for itself, the textbooks used nationwide get sucked down with it.
I think most slashdotters would be cranky if PF was trying to make it so the end user wasn't able to split the album up for private mixed tapes and whatnot after it had been purchased. In this case, PF is just trying to sell a product they created under terms to PFs liking. The end user can then buy or not buy it according to his/her whim.
Honestly I'm not rooting for html 5 to replace flash/Silverlight for RIA. I don't like having to have 5 times as many tests in my matrix (one for each browser). I don't like having to write ajax shims whenever I want to use the db from the client. I don't like how hard it is to make reusable html controls that can't break other parts of the site. I don't like how javascript scales up for larger projects... the list goes on. I'm welcome some improvements to html+javascript and for using it to display documents. That said, It simply isn't designed for RIA. Flash/Silverlight are.
conventional rhythm of a sunny-day world
My problem goes a step further. I like to stay awake for 20 hours and then sleep for like 10. I spend the same amount of my life sleeping/awake as a normal person, just in longer chunks. Trouble is, left to my own devices, I effectively "stay up" 4 hours later each night untill I wrap back around. Before I had a job I could actually live like that. It was kind of a strange sensation brushing my teeth with my roommate at midnight; She was going to bed, i just got up.
I've had 70+ teachers over the years. Maybe 4 of them were "bad". On the other hand, I've had to be in class with hundreds of lazy, disruptive, and/or stupid students who waste the entire class' time. If we got rid of the dead weight students, we could improve as a whole.