It's complete nonsense to associate 'Black Friday' in this manner, as it has the very opposite meaning to the origional usage of the term, meaning that the person who dreampt up this usage was attempting irony or was simply ignorant of the origional established meaning.
You've never worked in a mall on black friday, now have you?;P
Slsk is down because the network servers blow, and I'd assume the code running them, much like the code for the win32 client (saving my password as clear text?? come on!), blows.
It does this every few months for a few days (it was really bad this past november/early december IIRC)...I'm pretty sure it has very little to do with this virus. I'm actually quite pissed off because it's hindering the development of my "client"..
Then listen to "uplifting feel-good" music that was actually WRITTEN by the artists.
Not to mention that there's a plethora of that type of crap out there by indie artists and bands, and that the radio/mtv hardly have a monopoly on the "feel-good" market.
You only think its uplifting and feel-good because thats what they've told you; to us its depressing and very very feel-bad.
"uplifiting feel-good" usually (in the music world) means fake, polished, and souless, just like its listeners.
What you said about radio is so true. Listen to a Clear Channel any time as of late? Same 20 songs, all day, every day, on repeat. I swear I hear the same song at least twice before lunch.
When are you going to wake up? When are you going to stop using the same argument that's been torn down again and again by myself and others? (And maybe actually post a rebuttle)
It's just pure bullshit, and you have NO clue how the industry works. Get over it.
On a second note: If I were to spend three years of my life, blood, sweat, and tears on an ART project (and believe me I have) only to see it being distributed via P2P..I'd be EXSTATIC.
ARTISTS aren't out to make money, they're out to have their works of ART LOVED by people; and nobody downloads and distributes a shit film. You also can't download T-shirts, posters, stickers, etc..etc..etc..(and that is, as myself and others have pointed out several times, how artists make their true money)
note that i emphasised ART and LOVE[D]. Your arguments pertain to pop culture bullshit, not art.
Our minority is quickly growing. Thanks to p2p, I've been waiting for the new LP of a certain Spanish band for over 6 months now. Two days after the distros put it up for sale, it's sold out. Luckily I paid $60 for one in red vinyl and ppd from France before then...
Of course, everyone knows that the Beatles invented album rock/themed albums whatever you call them...
And actually I think the version you're thinking of is the second verions of "The Wall"...it was redone after the movie; not sure if they changed the order though..but almost every Floyd album has been an entire album song..with the lead-ins and the blurring between tracks (Dark Side of The Moon for instance..hell even Meddle)
The cassette version is also only one tape...so there's gotta be a lot missing...
He only went insane in his later years for one. (probably due to being ripped off so badly by edison and westinghouse)
I would suppose that inventing the AC motor and generator (I.E. enabling all of this wonderful modern shit, like your computer and the internet) would be one of the main factors in why people give so much of a shit about him; and I wouldn't exactly call them "Fringe" either...
Tesla did a lot more than just invent some crazy lightning generator and all the other stuff; yea he got a little crazy sometimes, but he did a lot of fundamental work in a lot of key areas at the time.
No way. Why waste a leader? Just create another army, load up some Shadow Forces, and take over the world; then who gives a shit if we get the Great Wonder in 20 turns?
Same here, but for PS2. Gran Turismo 3 baby, yeah.
Everything else (Halo) I'd wanna play (Halo) is out on the Xbox.
Why isn't there a single mention of racing games that I've seen yet? Is that not it's own genre? I for one can't f-in wait until GT4 hits the shelves. For now I'll have to drool over the master car list..(Isuzu's got added, FINALLY SOME RESPECT!!)
Yes, this laugh-out-loud argument is something I've seen posted over and over.
It's not that laugh-out-loud. Take yourself out of the Clear Channel pop crap music section for, ohh about ten seconds. There's a whole world of tens of thousands of _great_, _original_ bands that you would never hear about, or be able to find the cd of if it weren't for file sharing. This holds true immensly for the underground scene. Let's enter this world for a moment.
I listen to dozens of bands from Europe and Japan that I would never have heard of if it wasn't for file sharing. They don't tour here. Their EP's and LP's arent distributed in the US at all; if we're lucky we might get 100 or so pressings that are quickly snatched up and resold on Ebay for 50 times their original price. In these cases, we have no other choice but to rely on our friends overseas to rip the albums and let us download them. Period.
Now, say one of those bands were to decide to tour in North America one summer. All of the fans would show up, pay $5 at the door, then buy every piece of vinyl and cotton that we could get our hands on. I'd easily blow $100 at a show if one of my favourite bands from Spain actually played a show in North America. (Hell, I'd spend $3k to fly over there and see them if I had that kind of money.) Multiply this by about 4 or 5 thousand.
Now, if it wasn't for file sharing, they wouldn't make a single dime from a tour over here, and would be lucky to draw a dozen people at a gig.
I think that more than makes up for "stealing" their work.
Underground and DIY artists and labels THRIVE on file sharing. The entire scene has literally EXPLODED in the past 4 years because of free advertising tools such as the internet and file sharing networks.
I've been in several bands that've cut albums. We put all our shit out for free on certain file sharing networks. Why? Because we play for the love of music, not for money. Download our shit, if you like us come to our next show; that's all we ask. Did we lose money? Nope. We made more and drew more at shows than we would have ever hoped to.
The plain fact is that kids aren't going to throw down their hard earned money on a band they've never heard, or don't know if they'll even like. They download it to try it out, and if they like it, you can bet damn well that those same kids are going to save up to have the real thing. Vorbis and MP3s can't touch the viceral qualities of a vinyl.
Those same kids are going to show up and pay at the door for every show you play, and buy every shirt and sticker and patch you sell. That's the truth. Of course if you suck, you won't be getting anything, but you're not losing any money either; chances are they wouldn't have bought your album in the first place.
As for the rest of the world: Clear Channel and your pop artists can fuck off; anyone who is stupid enough to pay for that shit should be shot.
The kids who download radio music and never buy the cd aren't music lovers. They would have never bought that cd in the first place, wouldn't have ever gone to a single concert, or bought a single piece of merch, period. For them mp3s are like a custom radio station that always plays what they want to hear. (and would be hearing for free anyway, so I don't see how it's stealing at all...) The labels and the RIAA are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.
It also goes without saying that major label artists as a whole make nothing from store sales of albums. That money goes straight to the label, the RIAA, and the publishers. Pop artists and bands make money from TOURING and MERCH sales. Most of them actually have to buy their CDs and merch back from the label and publisher to sell it at a show; it's pathetic really. It's sad but true that a band can put out a platinum *selling* album and end up in debt when it's all over, so don't for one second try to say that they're losing money from file sharing. It's not the bands losing money, it's the labels and the publishers
Come on, be realistic! How many kids in the US go to political sites? Maybe 1 out of 1,000,000? How many kids in the US even know anything about politics? You might as well do like Howard Stern and go ask a stripper.
A hell of a lot. A hell of a lot more than 1 out of 1 million. Kids know plenty about politics, give them some credit.
I'd say that at least 2 or 3 kids in a mid-sized suburban high school are quite well read in politics, or are at least learning about it. That's probably 1 out of every 8 or 9 hundred; a far cry from 1 out of every million. Come on, be realistic!
This was in Sept. of 2001, so things are probably a bit different these days..we should make up our own version of the Euro, the Amero. It's got a nice ring to it, eh?
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It's complete nonsense to associate 'Black Friday' in this manner, as it has the very opposite meaning to the origional usage of the term, meaning that the person who dreampt up this usage was attempting irony or was simply ignorant of the origional established meaning.
;P
You've never worked in a mall on black friday, now have you?
what plant in atlanta? i know of a ford plant in atlanta..but no honda plant..
Slsk is down because the network servers blow, and I'd assume the code running them, much like the code for the win32 client (saving my password as clear text?? come on!), blows.
It does this every few months for a few days (it was really bad this past november/early december IIRC)...I'm pretty sure it has very little to do with this virus. I'm actually quite pissed off because it's hindering the development of my "client"..
*don't have any taste that should say
boy my karma's gonna burn tonite.
There's a difference between not liking rap music, or rock music and hating all who listen to it...
and not liking rap or rock and hating all who dont listen to the NON POP VERSION
Nobody who listens to the radio, or mtv, as their sole intake of music, have _any_ taste, period.
that is the final world on the subject.
Then listen to "uplifting feel-good" music that was actually WRITTEN by the artists.
Not to mention that there's a plethora of that type of crap out there by indie artists and bands, and that the radio/mtv hardly have a monopoly on the "feel-good" market.
You only think its uplifting and feel-good because thats what they've told you; to us its depressing and very very feel-bad.
"uplifiting feel-good" usually (in the music world) means fake, polished, and souless, just like its listeners.
"Most of which have at least 56K bandwidth if not more. It is easy to rack up Gigs of songs"
;p
You haven't actually tried to rack up a gig of songs on a 56k yet, have ya?
What you said about radio is so true. Listen to a Clear Channel any time as of late? Same 20 songs, all day, every day, on repeat. I swear I hear the same song at least twice before lunch.
When are you going to wake up? When are you going to stop using the same argument that's been torn down again and again by myself and others? (And maybe actually post a rebuttle)
It's just pure bullshit, and you have NO clue how the industry works. Get over it.
On a second note: If I were to spend three years of my life, blood, sweat, and tears on an ART project (and believe me I have) only to see it being distributed via P2P..I'd be EXSTATIC.
ARTISTS aren't out to make money, they're out to have their works of ART LOVED by people; and nobody downloads and distributes a shit film. You also can't download T-shirts, posters, stickers, etc..etc..etc..(and that is, as myself and others have pointed out several times, how artists make their true money)
note that i emphasised ART and LOVE[D]. Your arguments pertain to pop culture bullshit, not art.
"Next?"
Our minority is quickly growing. Thanks to p2p, I've been waiting for the new LP of a certain Spanish band for over 6 months now. Two days after the distros put it up for sale, it's sold out. Luckily I paid $60 for one in red vinyl and ppd from France before then...
I agree, and I think it does give us (us meaning music LOVERS not LISTENERS) a right to be snide to the Clear Channel listeners.
Of course, everyone knows that the Beatles invented album rock/themed albums whatever you call them...
And actually I think the version you're thinking of is the second verions of "The Wall"...it was redone after the movie; not sure if they changed the order though..but almost every Floyd album has been an entire album song..with the lead-ins and the blurring between tracks (Dark Side of The Moon for instance..hell even Meddle)
The cassette version is also only one tape...so there's gotta be a lot missing...
Amen brother. People like the parent don't seem to understand that an artist gets ZERO money from a store-online-whatever bought CD.
THEY MAKE MONEY OFF OF TOURING AND MERCH SALES AT CONCERTS ONLY. END OF FUCKING DISCUSSION.
Go talk to a few bands, a few artists; learn the truth. I've pointed this out several times, but none of these jackasses seem to understand.
Bands have to buy their shit BACK FROM THE LABEL to even sell it at a concert.
THEYRE RIPPING US ALL OFF.
Crazy fucking Serbian at that...(aren't they all?)
He only went insane in his later years for one. (probably due to being ripped off so badly by edison and westinghouse)
I would suppose that inventing the AC motor and generator (I.E. enabling all of this wonderful modern shit, like your computer and the internet) would be one of the main factors in why people give so much of a shit about him; and I wouldn't exactly call them "Fringe" either...
Tesla did a lot more than just invent some crazy lightning generator and all the other stuff; yea he got a little crazy sometimes, but he did a lot of fundamental work in a lot of key areas at the time.
He should have mentioned Pascal, at least he really did believe in God. "Pascal's Wager" is quite famous.
No way. Why waste a leader? Just create another army, load up some Shadow Forces, and take over the world; then who gives a shit if we get the Great Wonder in 20 turns?
It's not like we'd have any competition.
Have you tried civ3 play the world yet?
Same here, but for PS2. Gran Turismo 3 baby, yeah.
Everything else (Halo) I'd wanna play (Halo) is out on the Xbox.
Why isn't there a single mention of racing games that I've seen yet? Is that not it's own genre? I for one can't f-in wait until GT4 hits the shelves. For now I'll have to drool over the master car list..(Isuzu's got added, FINALLY SOME RESPECT!!)
Yes, this laugh-out-loud argument is something I've seen posted over and over.
It's not that laugh-out-loud. Take yourself out of the Clear Channel pop crap music section for, ohh about ten seconds. There's a whole world of tens of thousands of _great_, _original_ bands that you would never hear about, or be able to find the cd of if it weren't for file sharing. This holds true immensly for the underground scene. Let's enter this world for a moment.
I listen to dozens of bands from Europe and Japan that I would never have heard of if it wasn't for file sharing. They don't tour here. Their EP's and LP's arent distributed in the US at all; if we're lucky we might get 100 or so pressings that are quickly snatched up and resold on Ebay for 50 times their original price. In these cases, we have no other choice but to rely on our friends overseas to rip the albums and let us download them. Period.
Now, say one of those bands were to decide to tour in North America one summer. All of the fans would show up, pay $5 at the door, then buy every piece of vinyl and cotton that we could get our hands on. I'd easily blow $100 at a show if one of my favourite bands from Spain actually played a show in North America. (Hell, I'd spend $3k to fly over there and see them if I had that kind of money.) Multiply this by about 4 or 5 thousand.
Now, if it wasn't for file sharing, they wouldn't make a single dime from a tour over here, and would be lucky to draw a dozen people at a gig.
I think that more than makes up for "stealing" their work.
Underground and DIY artists and labels THRIVE on file sharing. The entire scene has literally EXPLODED in the past 4 years because of free advertising tools such as the internet and file sharing networks.
I've been in several bands that've cut albums. We put all our shit out for free on certain file sharing networks. Why? Because we play for the love of music, not for money. Download our shit, if you like us come to our next show; that's all we ask. Did we lose money? Nope. We made more and drew more at shows than we would have ever hoped to.
The plain fact is that kids aren't going to throw down their hard earned money on a band they've never heard, or don't know if they'll even like. They download it to try it out, and if they like it, you can bet damn well that those same kids are going to save up to have the real thing. Vorbis and MP3s can't touch the viceral qualities of a vinyl.
Those same kids are going to show up and pay at the door for every show you play, and buy every shirt and sticker and patch you sell. That's the truth. Of course if you suck, you won't be getting anything, but you're not losing any money either; chances are they wouldn't have bought your album in the first place.
As for the rest of the world: Clear Channel and your pop artists can fuck off; anyone who is stupid enough to pay for that shit should be shot.
The kids who download radio music and never buy the cd aren't music lovers. They would have never bought that cd in the first place, wouldn't have ever gone to a single concert, or bought a single piece of merch, period. For them mp3s are like a custom radio station that always plays what they want to hear. (and would be hearing for free anyway, so I don't see how it's stealing at all...) The labels and the RIAA are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.
It also goes without saying that major label artists as a whole make nothing from store sales of albums. That money goes straight to the label, the RIAA, and the publishers. Pop artists and bands make money from TOURING and MERCH sales. Most of them actually have to buy their CDs and merch back from the label and publisher to sell it at a show; it's pathetic really. It's sad but true that a band can put out a platinum *selling* album and end up in debt when it's all over, so don't for one second try to say that they're losing money from file sharing. It's not the bands losing money, it's the labels and the publishers
Come on, be realistic! How many kids in the US go to political sites? Maybe 1 out of 1,000,000? How many kids in the US even know anything about politics? You might as well do like Howard Stern and go ask a stripper.
A hell of a lot. A hell of a lot more than 1 out of 1 million. Kids know plenty about politics, give them some credit.
I'd say that at least 2 or 3 kids in a mid-sized suburban high school are quite well read in politics, or are at least learning about it. That's probably 1 out of every 8 or 9 hundred; a far cry from 1 out of every million. Come on, be realistic!
>If I acutally wanted to USE this bot, it would be pretty trivial to hack it's resources to change the titlebar
No hacking required. WM_SETTEXT. Jeez.
I, my AR-15, and my HK USP agree completely. ;)
Get married...to get action??
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
I'll bet $10 that at least 40% of the porn industry's customers ARE married.
Damn meanies.
This was in Sept. of 2001, so things are probably a bit different these days..we should make up our own version of the Euro, the Amero. It's got a nice ring to it, eh?