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Signor Marconi's Magic Box

JChris (J. Chris Coppick) writes "Wireless technologies threatening cable monopolies; an underground network of amateurs fighting regulation; legal battles over patent rights; phone owners complaining about telemarketers; car enthusiasts complaining about speed traps ... This may sound like a summary of today's headlines, but these and other familiar conflicts were hot even at the beginning of the 1900s. In Signor Marconi's Magic Box, Gavin Weightman tells the story of the life of Guglielmo Marconi, and of the communications revolution sparked by Marconi and others around the turn of the 20th century." Read on for the rest of Coppick's review. Signor Marconi's Magic Box: The Most Remarkable Invention of the 19th Century & the Amateur Inventor Whose Genius Sparked a Revolution author Gavin Weightman pages 291 publisher Da Capo Press rating 7 reviewer J. Chris Coppick ISBN 0306812754 summary Fascinating science-related historical narrative

This biography of Marconi, published by Da Capo Press in 2003, is just one in a group of science-related historical accounts that I've been working my way through of late, but stands out from the others in sheer deja vu. Before getting into that, though, let us focus first on the author's deftly accomplished goal of fitting the story of Marconi's life and the development of wireless telegraphy (along with a more than adequate treatment of the historical context) into a book of approximately 300 pages (including two small sections of well-annotated photographs).

For those not familiar with Marconi beyond his popular title as the inventor of the radio, one of the first surprises is that much of the story takes place in England and not Italy, due in no small part to the fact that Marconi's mother was Irish. Marconi was born in Bologna, Italy in 1874. He was raised there, and it was in Bologna that he laid the foundation for his future successes in the wireless business. While the existence of "Hertzian" waves was known before Marconi's work, and even though their use as a medium of communication was certainly being considered by others at the time, Marconi can be credited with key innovations that led to the first practical system of wireless telegraphy. In 1896 he traveled to England to popularize his wireless system, with the help of his mother's family connections. Thus it was England where Marconi launched his first wireless enterprise, and England remained his base of operations for the bulk of his career.

For those not familiar with the history of radio, another surprise may be how just many obstacles initially stood in the way of wireless communication. The BBC World News broadcast didn't start the day after Marconi said, "Aha!" Many of the problems stemmed from a general ignorance of the actual physics involved in radio transmission. For example, early wireless sets worked better during the night than the day (like your radio's AM tuner), and early long-distance transmitters required large amounts of power. The advantages of "short waves," much less the theoretical underpinnings, were not recognized until rather late in the story, relative to Marconi. Marconi himself had little understanding of why his "magic boxes" worked. He focused rather on mechanical innovations that increased the convenience and reliability, and therefore the commercial possibilities, of his previous successes. In this respect, Marconi was much more of a craftsman and businessman than a scientist.

By 1900 there were two companies bearing Marconi's name (the Marconi Wireless Telegraph and Signal Company, and the Marconi International Marine Company), though like the true startups they were, neither were making any money. Soon Marconi was almost completely focused on making trans-Atlantic wireless telegraphy a reality. It was near this point in the narrative that I started to see reflections of "modern" legal, political, and cultural themes.

For the curious, let's dispense with these first: Marconi was an "early adopter" of the then-recent advances in automobile technology (he was seriously injured in an automobile accident later in his life). So the book makes mention of the fact that, because of the rapid rise in the popularity of motoring, as early as 1904 the police in England were setting up "speed traps." So the next time you are yelling at the cop who just pulled you over, take a moment to consider your small but vital role in over 100 years of tradition. Also of interest, the book discusses the roots of the "broadcast" concept, some of which involved the telephone system. This leads to the mention of consumer complaints, dating back to the early 1900s, about unsolicited sales calls. I won't ask you to consider, the next time your dinner is interrupted, your small but vital role in that tradition. It's just too depressing.

In December of 1901, Marconi received in Newfoundland the first trans-Atlantic wireless telegraph signal, transmitted from one of his stations in England. At that time, the business of trans-Atlantic communications (i.e. telegraph messages) was monopolized by the small set of companies that owned undersea cables. One cable company even had a legally-defined monopoly on telegraphy in Newfoundland, a fact they quickly pointed out to Marconi, forcing him to take his business to Canada. [ed. note: Newfoundland didn't join Canada until 1949.]

As news of Marconi's accomplishment spread, cable-company stocks began to "wobble." It was assumed by many that once long-distance wireless telegraphy became widespread, the lower cost-per-message for wireless would put the cable companies out of business. Of course, that never really happened. (It's worth noting here that the revolution of radio broadcast came later. Just as no one looking at the ARPANET could see Slashdot, no one looking at the first wireless efforts could see Wolfman Jack, Howard Stern, or Rush Limbaugh.) Soon however, despite the lack of much actual commercial wireless success, "wireless mania" was spreading through parts of the world, especially in the United States. Fraudulent businesses were created, patents (legitimate and otherwise) were being granted, competing standards were leading to international political frictions, patent-infringement suits were being brought, competitors were being bought out, and amateurs were gleefully "hacking" the system. It wasn't long before government regulations were being imposed and bureaucracy was slowing down the adoption of new technologies. Hopefully you can see why all this started to feel more than just vaguely familiar. I do not want to leave anyone with the impression that Signor Marconi's Magic Box is just a depressing litany of the recurring problems of civilization. It's hardly that. Actually the fact that I was able to identify on a modern level with much of the history made an already interesting book even more interesting.

Signor Marconi's Magic Box is pretty much everything you could want in a historical biography, perhaps more. The author touches on enough aspects of the development of wireless telegraphy to keep the story fresh, including most if not all of the personalities involved, and he seems to give credit where it's due. He provides enough detail of Marconi's life to give us a good sense of the man, but not so much as to weigh down the narrative. Likewise, he provides enough technical detail to give us a sense of the technology, but not so much as to detract from the human aspects of the tale. If you are not hooked yet, please allow me brief mention of some other aspects of the story, including: forbidden love, intrigue, war, murder, shipwrecks, practical jokes, heroic deeds, another war, and international espionage. If I had to sum it all up in one sentence it would be this: Any book that contains the phrase "two-ton transformer blew up" can't be all bad.

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  1. The telegraph itself, ditto by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone interested in this will also like The Victorian Internet, Tom Standage, Walker and Company NY, ISBN 0802713424. It's a slim volume about the wired telegraph, with fascinating parallels to the internet's early years. Here is the Books-A-Million link.

    1. Re:The telegraph itself, ditto by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately history doesn't repeat itself EXACTLY. So the similarities are parallel at best.

    2. Re:The telegraph itself, ditto by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Informative
      Unfortunately history doesn't repeat itself EXACTLY. So the similarities are parallel at best.

      even if history did repeat itself exactly, it wouldn't matter because we only choose to remember a small part of it.

      witness reginald fesseden. while marconi gets the lion's share of history credit, no one remembers that it was fesseden who first transmitted voice signals - making him the inventor of "radio" in the common sense - and that he was the inventor of sonar. heck, fessenedn's voice transmission experiments happend almost a year before marconi's morse-only newfoundland stunt.

      fessenden was also a major contributor to the improvement of the lightbulb (which was invented by two people called henry woodward, mathew evans... not this edison guy).

      so, please, for the sake of actually learning from history, look up fessenden.

    3. Re:The telegraph itself, ditto by JChris · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Fesseden (sic) receives quite a bit of coverage in "Signor Marconi's Magic Box," along with quite a few other contributors. For the sake of expediency though, I condensed most of that part into the phrase "he seems to give credit where it's due." :-)

  2. I believe you mean by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

    1900s

    at the beginning of the 20th century.

    1. Re:I believe you mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, the title means exactly what it says. Wireless telegraphy became popularized in the "at the beginning of the 1900s," but it was "invented" in the 1800s, thus it was an "Invention of the 19th Century."

  3. even then spam was a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


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    1. Re:even then spam was a problem by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      For proper effect, you then need a slow aerial zoom-out of a line of waiting telegram messengers. A long line of messengers. A very long line of messengers. A very very .. well, you get the idea.

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  4. Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Subject says it all... Telsa was first.

    Should be called 'Telsa's magic box' *HE* deserves the credit.

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    1. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by marika · · Score: 1

      We unfortunately couldn't give the credit of the radio to someone who has the phobia of round things.

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    2. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      And I have read of controversy even with what Marconi did, apparently he used someone else's wizardry and claimed it as his own. However, he did publicize it, or market as we say nowadays, which neither Tesla (you need to watch your spelling, you got it right once out of three tries) nor the other forgotten nobody did. Whether that actually spread its use much faster is another question too.

    3. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tesla will just have to settle for creating 40 foot arcs of lightning and enough inventions to fill a museum.

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    4. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Informative

      And I believe the courts finally agreed after a long long patent fight.

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    5. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know what else I just thought of...

      Not only did Tesla get royally screwed out of his biggest inventions, the original creator of a digital computer, Konrad Zues, hardly ever gets credit either. Windows and Apple...

      The lesson is not to try to hard yourself. But to watch others closely for good ideas you can steal.

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    6. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Canadian1729 · · Score: 1

      Marconi was a business man, he took the work of real geniuses and introduced it to the world as his own. That's the way it works most of the time, even today.

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    7. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Yup, but it a classic case of patenting something already in use - Marconi patented the idea first (1896) and even though later rulings went against this patent, by then Marconi's business empire was so large it kinda just kept rolling along.

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    8. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by paranode · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ah, yet another person who doesn't recognize the distinction between making something and making something practical and/or useful.

      Same thing every time someone mentions Thomas Edison or the Wright Brothers. Get over it.

    9. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Mind posting a reference? As far as I knew, Charles Babbage and a lady named Ada were the originators of digital computers. For stored programming, you look at Turing.

    10. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by David+Hume · · Score: 3, Informative

      And I have read of controversy even with what Marconi did, apparently he used someone else's wizardry and claimed it as his own. However, he did publicize it, or market as we say nowadays, which neither Tesla (you need to watch your spelling, you got it right once out of three tries) nor the other forgotten nobody did. Whether that actually spread its use much faster is another question too.


      This reminds me of an issue presented in a number of books I've read recently, including Isaac Newton and Faster Than the Speed of Light: The Story of a Scientific Speculation. The issue concerns the date of discovery or invention, as opposed to the date of publication. As I recall, Newton kept many of his discoveries and theories secret for years -- perhaps to his later regret when he got into the priority dispute with Leibniz. Joao Magueijo appeared to be very concerned with establishing priority.

      It may not be a matter of publish or perish. More a matter of publish or be forgotten.

    11. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Babbage's computer was mechanical, not electronic.

    12. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 1

      I got the spelling wrong, that's: Zuse

      Here's a general info link:
      http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathemati cians/Zuse.html

      He invented a mechanical computing machine that I think is most like what we think of today as a computer. It was programmable, digital, and stored data on a tape. It had memory similar to RAM. It didn't become famous because he did his work in Germany during the WW2 period. Others were independantly working on similar projects in Europe and America, which is why we tend to think of them first.

      To my knowledge Babbage started working on theory prior to Zuse's first computer, the Z1, was completed. But Zuse had independantly created his own theory and language before Babbage. Furthermore, I don't think Babbage ever made a working Analytical Engine, whereas Zuse made the Z1, Z2, and Z3.

      I could look up more if you're interested.

      If I've gotten anything wrong, feel free to point it out.

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    13. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your signature is a lie: Einstein was an atheist.

    14. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by farzadb82 · · Score: 1

      You mean like $CO ???

    15. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by mike449 · · Score: 1

      The first documented scientific experiments were done by Popov in Russia. But he was too slow in publishing and patenting the results.

    16. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BURN!

    17. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Zuse's machine(s) had no mechanism for program flow control. It ran a series of instructions in order, A, B, C, D, E..

      There was no 'branch' or 'jump' instruction, and thus no conditionals. Ie; no way to represent "if A then B else C" or "goto D"

      While the work was very impressive, it wasnt truly a programmable general purpose computer.

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    18. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >To my knowledge Babbage started working on
      >theory prior to Zuse's first computer, the Z1,
      >was completed.

      You are aware that Zuse and Babbage were not contemporaries? Babbage was a half century in the grave before Zuse was born.

      It was because of the failure of Zues' design that the third reich ended up buying tabulating machines from IBM...

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    19. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, that dude's gettin' it right and left about his .sig! In an earlier thread, somebody called him out about Dirac!

    20. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 1

      I think the Z3 was a fully functional/fully programmable computer. http://irb.cs.tu-berlin.de/~zuse/Konrad_Zuse/en/Re chner_Z3.html

      You are correct that it did not have a jump instruction (although it implimented one internally for float arithmetic).

      So you could not represent "Goto D" but goto is not required to be fully programmable.

      But you could represent "if A then B else C" since it is just shorthand for "if A then B" "if !A then C"

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    21. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Does that mean that Simon is NOT the world's first personal computer? It doesn't have flow control, altho it can make decisions like "is A greater than B" and a "selection" function.

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    22. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 1

      You are aware that Zuse and Babbage were not contemporaries? Babbage was a half century in the grave before Zuse was born.

      You are absolutely right. I don't know that much about Babbage, and I wasn't even looking at the two most significant digits of the date!

      So Zuse couldn't have done any theory before Babbage.

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    23. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I realized after writing this that you may be referring to the fact that you need an internal jump to execute "if A then B". I don't know if the Z3 implemented an internal jump in an IF statement or not. It was certainly doable, since, as I mentioned, Zuse used a jump in the floating point arithmetic. I won't guess whether that's what he did or not, since that would just be noise.

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    24. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it was Jagdish Chandra Bose. JC Bose. Can we Call him the Father of Radio?

    25. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by thadeusg · · Score: 1

      He should have mentioned Pascal, at least he really did believe in God. "Pascal's Wager" is quite famous.

    26. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by ceez · · Score: 1

      It wasn't just any court, it went all the way to the US Supreme Court in 1943.

      Tesla was vindicated posthumously by the verdict.

      Justice was eventually served.
      No thanks, to Andrew Carnegie, Edison, and Marconi who all had a hand in the "mysterious" reversal of the US Patent Office's rejection of Marconi's patent application due to Tesla's prior art.

      Of course, the greatest injustice to this day is the common association of the name Edison with Electric Utilities.

    27. Re:Tesla Invented Radio, not marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Babbage's computer was mechanical, not electronic.

      Who cares?

  5. Tesla by GiantMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if the author points out the fact that Marconi blatently 'borrowed' technology for his radio, stealing the title of inventor of the radio from Nikola Tesla?

    1. Re:Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Tesla was so smart why is he dead?

    2. Re:Tesla by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Maybe he knows something we don't? (Cue Ooooweeeooo music.)

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    3. Re:Tesla by paranode · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey now, at least he got a cool unit of measurement for magnetic inductivity named after him!

      Ah, who am I kidding... poor fellow.

    4. Re:Tesla by TimeForGuinness · · Score: 5, Informative
      From a PBS discussion with Jim Hardesty & others:

      "Marconi used Hertz's system initially, but sending the signal "S" across the Atlantic would not have been possible with that system. So it became obvious to Marconi and other experimenters of the time that Tesla's system was an efficient, powerful resonator that produced waves you could work with."

      "The simple fact about Marconi's "S" is that he used the Tesla system to transmit signals and claimed that these were ideas he had developed himself."

      "At the Marconi site on Cape Cod, the placards state clearly that Marconi used the Tesla oscillator to send signals."

      "Marconi was a good businessman. He built the first practical equipment. And for that reason, his name is the one people remember when they think of radio."

    5. Re:Tesla by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Marconi didn't invent the radio. Most people will admit that. What Marconi did was prove that you could use it as something other than a local curiosity, to send signals outside your back yard and indeed across an ocean.

      This was a very important discovery for the time because once a ship was out of the harbor and out of sight of land it was cut off from the rest of the world, other than communications with other passing ships. Radio allowed ships at sea to communicate with land stations and each other. In fact in the United States, wireless came under the control of the Navy Department in its early years.

      However, despite some dramatic rescues out of sight of land where ships in distress were able to use radio to signal for help, it wasn't until after the sinking of the Titanic that ships were required to carry wireless equipment.

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    6. Re:Tesla by Natchswing · · Score: 1
      He wasn't money smart. He also had some psychological issues. He froze to death in a hotel room leaning out an open window feeding pigeons.

      The hotel room was given to him free, he was quite broke.

    7. Re:Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didn't help him using an electromagnetic device on the back of his head to help him fall asleep. Really. Short term, sure, knocked him out + he got a good night's rest. Long term....

  6. Nothing personal Chris. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    But, I bett a name like Coppick was a bitch to carry around at school.

    1. Re:Nothing personal Chris. by JChris · · Score: 1


      Not as bad as the name Coward.

  7. Really Cool, This by FractusMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wanna know what's really awesome? He received the first signal in Newfoundland, but, if memory serves, he SENT the first signal the other way from Cape Breton. The exact site of this location is about... Oh... One hundred feet from my chair. The Marconi Monument at Table Head is small, but cool. We get tourists from all over the world here.

  8. Biography exerpts by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 1

    Gavin Weightman tells the story of the life of Guglielmo Marconi...

    My guess...
    Up until the point he revolutionized communication, he got beat up a lot and kids called him Goulash Macaroni.

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  9. You keep your new books... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

    And I'll refer to my copy of "The Marconi Book of Wireless", first edition 1936, if I need any insight - thanks!

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    1. Re:You keep your new books... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Calm down, it's only a sig. Bad day at the office?

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  10. Re:Signor Marconi's Magic Box? by zephc · · Score: 3, Funny

    what about Mrs. Marconi's magic box?

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  11. What a coincidence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just finished some Marconi and Cheese for lunch not 5 minutes before this story was posted.

  12. This is utter.... by zoloto · · Score: 0

    For those not familiar with Marconi beyond his popular title as the inventor of the radio, one of the first surprises is that much of the story takes place in England and not Italy, due in no small part to the fact that Marconi's mother was Irish. Marconi was born in Bologna, Italy in 1874. He was raised there, and it was in Bologna that he laid the foundation for his future successes in the wireless business. While the existence of "Hertzian" waves was known before Marconi's work, and even though their use as a medium of communication was certainly being considered by others at the time, Marconi can be credited with key innovations that led to the first practical system of wireless telegraphy. In 1896 he traveled to England to popularize his wireless system, with the help of his mother's family connections. Thus it was England where Marconi launched his first wireless enterprise, and England remained his base of operations for the bulk of his career.

    This is utter Bologna! I can't believe it!

  13. Tesla by TeknoType · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wonder whether the book gives credit to Tesla, the man that some see as the true inventor of the radio. Some background information at: http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio.html

  14. My take by AmandaHugginkiss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While Mr. Weightman is a little skimpy on biographical depth (I never quite felt I understood what made Marconi tick), he is great on interesting details...for example, he explains how wireless was used to help capture the infamous murderer Dr. Crippen, and he also tells how Orthodox Russian priests once almost destroyed Marconi equipment because they wanted to anoint it with holy water! The book is meant for the lay reader, and the scientific detail is kept to a minimum. Very enjoyable.

  15. Typos suck.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Man i need to slow down and start proof reading..

    I agree, that Tesla didnt have a clue how to market his talent and was taken advantage of many a time.. for all that he accomplished in his life.. he died pennyless...

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  16. Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by isotope23 · · Score: 1

    It's a pity that a genius like Tesla does not get the credit he deserves in the modern world....

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    1. Re:Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I never have understood the insanity on the internet regarding Tesla. He's an extremely well-known figure in scientific history, as a quick glance at any textbook on the subject will amply show. Where does everyone get the idea he's an unappreciated genius? Also keep in mind that the man was clinically insane, so a lot of the stuff he claimed to have invented never existed.

      As for the radio thing, yeah, he probably did more than Marconi, but both of them built on the research of others. Tesla was not, as some seem to think, some sort of genius savant who came up with his ideas in a vacuum. I don't understand why people pick him to champion at the expense of earlier radio pioneers without whom he wouldn't have gotten far. But for some reason the fringe selects Tesla as their hero, despite the fact that there are people who've done more important work in science and technology and gotten less credit.

    2. Re:Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Funny
      But for some reason the fringe selects Tesla as their hero, despite the fact that there are people who've done more important work in science and technology and gotten less credit.

      I think it's because he came up with so many things, but ended up dying broke and insane. You see, he's just like the rest of us: an unappreciated genius whose ideas were stolen without him even getting any credit, much less money. Why, who among us can say that no one has ever "stolen" a great idea from us and built a world-girdling empire from the proceeds thereof? Why, I personally came up with the idea of monkeys re-enacting the battle of Gettysburg, as seen at the end of the "Stonecutters" episode of the Simpsons*. Did I see even a dime for that? Of course not. As a result I shall die penniless and insane.

      *True story. A friend of mine worked at Film Roman and asked where it came from: "some nut in a coffee shop talking about monkeys". That nut was me.

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    3. Re:Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by Bombcar · · Score: 1

      But for some reason the fringe selects Tesla as their hero, despite the fact that there are people who've done more important work in science and technology and gotten less credit.

      Mainly the supporters of Tesla are from the perpetual motion group.

      They show Tesla to their suckers, ahem, I mean investors as an example of a "unappreciated genius," and then say that they are the same thing.

      Basically like saying that Albert Einstein did poorly at math, and I do poorly at math, therefore I must be as smart as Einstein.

      Or maybe it is because of Tesla towers and TEsla tanks from Command and Conquer.

    4. Re:Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by thadeusg · · Score: 1

      He only went insane in his later years for one. (probably due to being ripped off so badly by edison and westinghouse)

      I would suppose that inventing the AC motor and generator (I.E. enabling all of this wonderful modern shit, like your computer and the internet) would be one of the main factors in why people give so much of a shit about him; and I wouldn't exactly call them "Fringe" either...

      Tesla did a lot more than just invent some crazy lightning generator and all the other stuff; yea he got a little crazy sometimes, but he did a lot of fundamental work in a lot of key areas at the time.

    5. Re:Glad to see Tesla gets some props from someone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, some people try desperately to lump Tesla in with the perpetual motion group, to discredit his work - he was never about "free energy" in the normal sense, he worked out a way (called radio... duh...) to broadcast power - you know the way a crystal radio is powered by a radio transmission? Well, make a great big one...

      Tesla dreamt of a world without wires, with giant power stations in the desert and on rivers, beaming the power to where it needed to be.

      Unfortunately, giving _ECONOMICALLY_ nearly-free power to the world did not exactly gel with his investors interests...

  17. Key quote by color+of+static · · Score: 4, Informative

    Marconi was much more of a craftsman and businessman than a scientist.

    I think the above sums up a lot about Marconi and radio. He did little more then make the Hertzian spark gap generator acceptable for trans atlantic transmissions along with a practical receiver. The transmitter technology was so primitive/disruptive that is was banned later on.

    Real radio came from a handful of other inventors who don't get much credit these days. Tesla did lots of work at the same time as Marconi on modulated carrier waves for radio (the method we use today).

    He shouldn't hold the title "inventor of radio", but "inventor of the radio industry".

    1. Re:Key quote by jkstill · · Score: 0

      Tesla also held the patents before Marconi applied for them.

    2. Re:Key quote by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting
      He did little more then make the Hertzian spark gap generator acceptable for trans atlantic transmissions along with a practical receiver.

      That alone would seem to be no small achievement. Marconi's mechanical spark gap generators were rugged and reliable and were still in use long after the introduction of the vacuum tube.

  18. You there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fill up my motorcar with petroleum distillate, and revulcanize my tires. Posthaste! I must get to the anti-speedbump meeting!

  19. get over yourself by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Was there some kind of convention for 21st Century thieves where they trained dittoheads to spout "get over it" as the response to charges of theft?

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    1. Re:get over yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I think it was the generous helpings of OxyContin that really made the message stick...

  20. Yeah, but Marconi plays the mamba.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...listen to the ray-dee-o.

    1. Re:Yeah, but Marconi plays the mamba.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We built this city!

      They'll sell you on Marconi
      familiar, but a phoney
      Story goes, they sold his soul
      and swore that you'd never know

      about the man out of time
      man out of time
      though you was crazy
      you was one of a kind

  21. truth about Marconi by the_greywolf · · Score: 1

    i'm stretching myself with the subject, so bear with me.

    not only did Marconi not invent the radio (though i'll admit he did help make it useful), but he was an assistant of Tesla's at the time.

    can you imagine how you would feel if one of YOUR assistants patented one of YOUR new inventions right under your knose?

    and not only that, but after Marconi emigrated to South America, he took with him another one of Tesla's inventions and used it to fly to Mars!

    (no, i'm not really serious.)

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    1. Re:truth about Marconi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      can you imagine how you would feel if one of YOUR assistants patented one of YOUR new inventions right under your knose?


      Man, you KDE fanatics are hard core.

  22. Re:Speed Traps are Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and then high-tail it out before the sun goes down.

    A very prudent move, if you ask me.

  23. Movies kill the radio star by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ken Russell is currently in production with his biopic about Tesla, the inventor of radio, AC power, and everything else in the 20th Century except toothpaste tubes and the phonograph.

    "What's a Radio Picture?" - the Rocky Horror Picture Show audience

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    1. Re:Movies kill the radio star by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      make install, not war

      Congratulations, Doc Ruby: You just won the 'Slashdot Dirty GNU/Hippy of the Year' award!
      You win lunch with Richard Stallman and a bar of soap (a whole year's supply!)

    2. Re:Movies kill the radio star by TheNarrator · · Score: 1

      Tesla was so intelligent that a lot of people at the time thought he was from outer space. Imagine that, being so smart that people think you're a space alien.

    3. Re:Movies kill the radio star by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is one of the most pleasant accolades any Anonymous autocharicature Coward has ever bestowed on me. I would like to thank the Academy, Mr. Stallman and his hairdresser, and the hordes of Slashdotters who also agree that application building is preferable to destroying. As a show of solidarity, I will let you, Anonymous warmonger Coward, keep the bar of soap, if it's all you've got for the year. Thanks for giving peace a chance.

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    4. Re:Movies kill the radio star by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He designed the first remote control reconnaissance flyer too.

    5. Re:Movies kill the radio star by ch-chuck · · Score: 0

      the inventor of radio, AC power, and everything else in the 20th Century except toothpaste tubes and the phonograph.

      Wow! I never realized that Tesla invented:

      The zeppelin,escalator,safety razor,vacuum cleaner, air conditioner, neon light, teddy bear, crayons, bottle-making machinery, powered airplane, windshield wipers, ductile tungsten, teabags, tractor, vacuum diode, theory of relativity, cornflakes, sonar, electronic amplifying tube, bakelite, color photography, helicopter, gyrocompass, celophane, geiger counter, Instant coffee, talking motion pictures, automobile ignition system, motorized movie cameras, tanks, life savers candy, crossword puzzle, ecstasy, bra, zipper, gas mask, pyrex, stainless steel, pop-up toaster, flip-flop circuit, arc welder, tommy gun, band-aid, robots, lie detector, insulin, traffic signals, television, dynamic loudspeaker, spiral binding, liquid fueled rockets,pez candy, quartz crystal watch, technicolor, aerosol can, iron lung, penicillin, bubble gum, electric shaver, car radio, the yo-yo, scotch tape, neoprene, jet engine, electron microscope, frequency modulation, stereo records, drive in movies, monopoly game, tape recorder, nylon, frozen foods, canned beer, radar, xerography, voice recognition, ballpoint pen, strobe light, teflon, freeze-dried coffee, turboprop engine, nutronic reactor, synthetic rubber, slinky, silly putty, LSD, aqualung, kidney dialysis machine, hypertext, atomic bomb, microwave oven, holography, mobile phones, transistor, tupperware, frisbee, velcro, jukebox, cake mix, credit card, super glue, power steering, videotape recorder, mr. potatoe head, bar codes, radial tires, oral contraceptives, solar cells, McDonalds, tetracycline, optic fiber, hovercraft, liquid paper, FORTRAN, modem, laser, hula hoop, pacemaker, Barbie Doll and the halogen lamp!

      See, Telsa fanatics are your own worst enemy, trying to make a valid point but then go all crazy and make patently false, wildly exaggerated claims way out of proportion.

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    6. Re:Movies kill the radio star by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      See, Telsa fanatics are your own worst enemy, trying to make a valid point but then go all crazy and make patently false, wildly exaggerated claims way out of proportion.


      I think it's more people who are just pedantic critics because they can be, and pretend not to be able to tell unserious hyperbole from a claim of true scientific fact.

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    7. Re:Movies kill the radio star by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Nonetheless, the facts in the presentations are obscured by what starts to look like blind hero worship. Sure, there's some valid points to be made about who invented what, then they go overboard and lose the audience while looking like just another nutcase.

      I've heard the turn off in action, ham radio operator A doesn't even want to talk with operator B because "all he talks about is how Tesla invented everything".

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    8. Re:Movies kill the radio star by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, ch-chuck, but I have channeled Tesla's spirit with a high-frequency Reichian orgone accumulator, and it turns out that his encyclopedia of 20th Century inventions includes you: Tesla is your father, ch-chuck, and he says it's OK to play the phonograph once in a while, even if Edison gets the credit.

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  24. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I want-a to change-a my a-name-a!"

  25. He's not Dead... by karlandtanya · · Score: 3, Funny

    He was last seen saving the world with Jake Stonebender and the rest of the gang from Callahan's.

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  26. Jefferson Starship.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ~\o Marconi plays the mambo, listen to the radio ~\o

  27. Whispers in the Air by rueger · · Score: 4, Informative

    I will suggest that all and sundry might enjoy "Whispers in the Air", a radio documentary about Marconi that was produced literally at the foot of the cliff in St Johns where Marconi made his historic broadcast.

    RealAudio links are to be found on this page.

    Chris Brookes is a wonderful award winning producer, and has also worked on documentaries about Vikings and about Reginald Fessenden, who all Canadians know beat Marconi to the punch any how.

    "A Canadian, Reginald Aubrey Fessenden was the first person to prove that voices and music could be heard over the air without wires. Yet some books ignore him, others mistakenly call him an American, and one Canadian encyclopedia cites his mother as the principal founder of Empire Day but overlooks her eldest son's accomplishments. Marconi, on the other hand, is given credit for radio even though his theory on sound waves was wrong and even though he was still sending only Morse code signals when Fessenden made his first "broadcast.""

  28. Comparison to Software Today by sparkhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Marconi can be credited with key innovations that led to the first practical system of wireless telegraphy.

    He can be credited, but not correctly. He made no key innovations over Tesla's system. He was a businessman.

    The parallels today's software world with Gates in the position of Marconi. Great businessman, but not an innovator. But he is who "the unwashed masses" know and who will probably be remembered in the history books.

  29. Anyone see the Princess Marconi interview? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On NWI (Canada) I saw an interview with Marconi's daughter. She was also the Princess of Italy but that's beside the point.

    Anyway, she told of how when she was a little girl her dad would take her and and family friends out on the family yacht and would amaze them with his electrical gadgetry, namely a device that he would throw a line over the side and troll it behind the boat for a few hours. When he would reel it in there would be spider webs of gold thread trailing off of it.
    She was only 6 or 7 at the time and didn't understand what he was doing but she said it had something to do with radio frequencies that attracted the gold particles in the sea water to the antenna, they would bind and create the spider webs.

    That was one cool ass interview. She had LOTS of neat stories about the things her father did back in the day..

    1. Re:Anyone see the Princess Marconi interview? by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Re: the Gold Thread device

      Yeah, sure. I'd like to see that gold thread thing working. Could it have been just yellowish kelp? Because I've seen plenty of that. It doesn't resemble gold, though.

      Whether it's true or not, I'd like to know how it could possibly have worked.

      And of course, the obligatory moneymaking scheme:
      1) Invent electrical device that attracts trace amounts of gold from the ocean, although gold suspended in the water is hard to believe.
      2) ???
      3) Profit!

  30. Tesla won the patent rights...posthumously by skyryder12 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tesla sold his patents on AC to George Westinghouse for not a lot of money. Westinghouse was prepared to pay up to 20 million. Tesla then poured his energies into wirless energy transmission and was far more innovative than others in this area. Marconi got the patent, (which was under dispute until after Tesla died, at which point he was found to hold the prior art) and the profit.

  31. Misspelled "Stubblefield" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    An American invents radio, people are impressed, the patent office rejects his application, nothing happens, and he dies broke.

    Some goddamned dago comes along and takes all the glory. That's fucked up.

    1. Re:Misspelled "Stubblefield" by voideng · · Score: 1

      Tesla was Serbian.

    2. Re:Misspelled "Stubblefield" by thadeusg · · Score: 1

      Crazy fucking Serbian at that...(aren't they all?)

    3. Re:Misspelled "Stubblefield" by voideng · · Score: 1

      Insanity and Genius tend to go hand in hand. I personally beleive Nikola Tesla is one of the greatest thinkers of all times, I also beleive he was as mad as a hatter.

  32. Scusilo signor... by ratboot · · Score: 1


    but Tesla invented the radio.

    Go to :

    www.teslasociety.com/radio.htm

  33. Historcal paralells... by S3D · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interesting, that wireless communication was not adopted by military in WWI, but in WWII it made a critical difference. German blitzkriegs in France and Russia were possible because they embraced radio through the all chain of commands. Opposite, russian tanks (on average thechnically superior to germans) and fighters didn't have a radio in the first years of war and were massacred by german. Russians had to learn importance of the wireless communication by hard way. I don't belive in the "Internet Pearl Harbor" in the nearest decade. But in 20-30 years Gibbson-stile information warfare may be possible...

  34. Conflating professions by agslashdot · · Score: 1
    In this respect, Marconi was much more of a craftsman and businessman than a scientist.

    I wonder how you would classify Edison, with 1368 patents to his name but no formal scientific pedagogy.

    A lot of scientists incorporate & turn into businessman/scientist - eg Benjamin Franklin, Dr. Stephen Wolfram ( Founder of Mathematica ), Dr. R & Dr. A ( invented the RSA cryptographic scheme, Carl Sagan, and a whole lot of people in biotech.

    The skillsets to be both seem conflicting - businessmen need a Machiavellical sense of brutal realism, while scientists are pursuing truths in the gentler idealic realm of Plato.

    1. Re:Conflating professions by motika · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that film-makers went all the way out to California to escape Edison's premeditated patent lock on film projectors and equipment, and DC-power-based Edison was running ads about "deadly AC power" showcasing electric chairs to fight Westinghouse (Tesla), I'd say he definitely possessed a Machiavellical sense of brutal realism...

      True, maybe Edison was just floating through the gentler Platonic realms of patents, market monopolies and bullying competitors those competitors that he couldn't crush with legislation...

    2. Re:Conflating professions by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      Edison was not a scientist. Sometimes, he was an engineer; most often he was a businessman, taking credit for the work of others in his "invention factory".

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  35. Calculus:Newton:Leibniz != Radio:Marconi:Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, Newton and Leibniz both invented calculus independently. Newton invented it first, but Leibniz published first. Now, though, they both get credit.

    But, Marconi could not have invented radio by himself, and yet Tesla is just a footnote.

  36. Tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone mentioned Tesla yet?

    i wasnt aware that radio was really invented by a mediocre 90s soft-rock band...

  37. Re:Early Hackers by pkalkul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An even more appropriate companion to this book would be Susan Douglas' Inventing American Broadcasting. It has a fascinating chapter on amateur radio operators that reads like a pre-history of computer hackers. She describes how these operators -- young, adolescent, middle-class boys obsessed with a technology for technology's sake -- provided a critical mass for broadcast radio (which had a chicken-and-egg problem -- without an established base of users no-one wanted to develop broadcast stations). The parallels with the early personal computer industry are striking. Although she does not make the point explicitly, Douglas implies that hacker culture is not as unique (at least as modern) as we sometimes make she. She explains it as part of a larger set of structural and cultural changes that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century. A good read.

  38. Re:Historical paralells... by rworne · · Score: 1

    IIRC, The Japanese didn't carry radios in their Zero-sen fighters during WWII. The pilots communicated to each other visually to each other through hand signals. The bigger planes had them, but the familiar silver plane with the red meatball insignia seen all around the Pacific didn't.

    I also recall that the Russian fighter that shot down that KAL flight that wandered into their airspace back in the mid-80's didn't have a voice radio, rather the radio it did have was used to light up a panel that showed what the commanders wanted the pilot to do.

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  39. Inventors beware-- royalties kill! by motika · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Tesla did license the patent to Westinghouse for the AC motor for decent royalties, but one night Westinghouse did an RIAA move and begged Tesla to revoke his royalties, saying that the financial obligation would crush the company! Tesla thought about it and signed it in engineering spirit, giving a way millions.

    Suffice to say this cramped Tesla's research, invention, and partying capacities, and he ended up dying in an NY apartment in the forties after having lived only on crackers and milk for many years and having some weird spiritual experience with a pigeon-- likely a virgin to boot (Not pulling your leg, from Tesla: Man out of Time).

    I just hope the same happens to Britney Spears, NSync, etc.
    RIAA:"Britney, Justin, your royalties are killing us. Just sign this form and we all might survive. Ignore the fine print selling us an option for your death by crackers and milk."

    1. Re:Inventors beware-- royalties kill! by lucifer_666 · · Score: 1

      Hahaha... Brittney and Justin don't get royalties! They've never *created* anything, and there's no way they'd get distributed by their particular record companies. Hehehe.

  40. Tesla Tesla Tesla by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

    Marconi invented nothing, he borrowed from Tesla. Tesla is the reason we have computers, Tesla is the reason we have wireless, Tesla is god. :)
    History lesson over.

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    1. Re:Tesla Tesla Tesla by used2win32 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with that. Tesla was a genius overlooked by history.

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  41. It was not Tesla, it was Alexander Popov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea of wireless communication was "in the air". See this for a very accurate account about the work of Alexander Popov who demonstrated wireless transmission before Marconi did. Being a businessman, not a scientist, Marconi patented the invention made by other people.

  42. Tesla - I know it's what others are saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...but I don't want it buried in the depths of modding.

    Tesla had working, wireless voice communications a decade before Marconi even tried simple things such as Morse[1] code.

    How brilliant was Tesla? Some think of him as a crackpot, but there are a few things which cannot be disputed: 1) AC: had he not worked & developed AC (not necessarily alone), Edison[2] would have been the "winner" and DC would be used, requiring a substation nearly every other city block. 2) He demonstrated mastery of other forms of power & electricity. This includes "fireballs" which have only been seen sporadically in nature and he created & displayed them at will. 3) He believed it was possible to transmit power wirelessly - imagine if he'd had time to finish that before he died in 1943? 4) The most telling statement of all: the government largely considered him to be a crackpot. If this were true, why did the government confiscate everything he owned when he died? IOW, if he was so far out in left field, why would they have done that?

    [1] Because most of the people who post on Slashdot can't get spelling & punctuation correct, I'm pointing out eponymous examples requiring capitalization.

    [2] Edison even tried to subvert AC: he paid the neighborhood kids to bring in cats & dogs and he electrocuted them. The animals were then used as examples of what would happen to anyone/anything who came into contact with AC - how dangerous it could be. Also, after AC was installed in the White House, the President [and and family] required the staff to flip the switches. AC accomplished what it was supposed to, but the *great* Thomas Edison stated how dangerous it was and the President couldn't take the risk of being electrocuted.

  43. It's a shame there isn't more left there... by ClassicG · · Score: 1

    Seeing those lonely foundation blocks where the towers once stood is only enough to give one a glimpse of what that huge structure must have been like. We take a lot for granted nowdays, but seeing what is left of one of the first successful attempts to bridge the Atlantic - and imagining how it must have been like then - really makes you realize how big a deal this was at the time. I don't think I've -ever- felt so humbled as when I stood there by those old foundation blocks, looking east out over the ocean.

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  44. Italian Electrician by Drishmung · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have (or had) somewhere an elderly Webster's that has a bunch of extra stuff at the back---including a series of brief biographies of famous people.

    The entry for Marconi reads, in full, Italian Electrician.

    This always seemed to me to be the most astonishingly unhelpful description imaginable.

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    1. Re:Italian Electrician by Bored+Huge+Krill · · Score: 1
      presumably later, expanded editions will refer to him as :

      Mostly Italian Electrician

  45. Don't forget Mahlon Loomis and/or Charles Harrold by hypertex · · Score: 1

    Found these quotes after a quick search

    re: Mahlon Loomis

    Subj: Very Early US RADIO HISTORY (1864 to 1874 period) Text: In 1864 a Washington DC Dentist demonstrated publically wireless radio between two local 2000 ft tall mountains in nearby Virginia.
    **** In 1872 US Congress awarded the inventor with a Patent on wire- less radio.
    **** In 1873 he was awarded by US Congress the Corporate Charter for "Loomis Aerial Telegraphy Corporation".
    **** Public debate also went on in US Congress why he should receive a requested grant of $50,000.
    **** 100 Years later, on July 3, 1972 the US Library of Congress held a 55 document Exhibit in 3 display cases remembering this mans work on wireless radio.
    **** Navy Commander Thomas Appleby wrote the book "Mahlon Loomis Inventor of Radio" (copyright in 1967).
    **** For more information contact me at: N3RF, Svanholm Research Laboratories / Loomis Scientific Research Foundation Box 81, Washington, DC 20044 with SASE.
    ****
    re: Charles Herrold

    The world's first radio station still broadcasting today was invented by Charles Herrold in 1909 in San Jose, California. His accomplishment was first documented in a notarized statement written by him and published in the Electro-Importing Company's 1910 catalog: "We have given wireless phone concerts to amateur wireless men throughout the Santa Clara Valley." Being the first to "broadcast" radio entertainment and information to a mass audience puts him at the forefront of modern day mass communication.

  46. Tesla? Gary Kildall? by kc8jhs · · Score: 1

    Marconi invented the radio? Sure as long as Bill Gates sold the first operating system for the Intel microprocessor.

  47. Marconi did not invent radio. by Taicho · · Score: 0

    Let's just set the facts straight here #1 Marconi did not invent radio #2 Marconi was known by the scientific as a thief within inventors, he would become friends with other inventors and would patent their invention before the creator could in many occasions. Marconi stole most of his electrical inventions from other inventors Nicola Tesla being one of them.

    1. Re:Marconi did not invent radio. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another link on this:

      http://www.legalserviceindia.com/forum/display_t op ic_threads.asp?ForumID=12&TopicID=77&PagePosition= 1

  48. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed, life still exists in the hills above Hollywood, home of the...ahem... "United States repeatahhhh"

  49. Nobody's Heard Of Tesla? by objekt · · Score: 1

    Nobody besides every geek on this thread.

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    1. Re:Nobody's Heard Of Tesla? by niktesla · · Score: 1

      When I saw this article, I thought I would need to set the record straight, but I'm glad to see that my fellow /.er's are well versed about Nikola Tesla. You'd be suprised how few of my fellow electrical engineering majors have never heard of the man who laid the foundation for much of the EE field.

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  50. 60hz by webwide · · Score: 0

    let's not forget that Tesla was also responsible for selecting 60hz as the standard frequency for Westinghouse's AC system, a frequency still in use in the vast majority of Western electricity today.

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    1. Re:60hz by tigga · · Score: 1
      let's not forget that Tesla was also responsible for selecting 60hz as the standard frequency for Westinghouse's AC system, a frequency still in use in the vast majority of Western electricity today.

      Well, if you mean to the West from Europe, then yes in US it's 60Hz. In the Europe itself 50Hz is a standart.

  51. Marconi owes it all to Alexander Grayham Bell by vr6vr6 · · Score: 1

    Bell paid for Marconi's lab out in the east coast where he made the transatlantic radio premier. Marconi was washed up and Bell rescued him. We owe a great deal more to Bell than we assume.

    1. Re:Marconi owes it all to Alexander Grayham Bell by BadluckShleprock · · Score: 1

      Actually, Marconi owes it all to Nikola Tesla. Without Tesla's invention of wireless transmission (which he holds the patent for), Marconi would have never been able to market "his" invention.

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  52. Re:Historical paralells... by tigga · · Score: 1
    I also recall that the Russian fighter that shot down that KAL flight that wandered into their airspace back in the mid-80's didn't have a voice radio, rather the radio it did have was used to light up a panel that showed what the commanders wanted the pilot to do.

    That's wrong. Maybe they didn't have scrambled voice radio, so did rely on panel for secure communications.

    Actually there were reports of recorded pilot's conversations made by Japanese. Here: http://avia.russian.ee/air/747/kale_3.html

  53. Prof. J C Bose not Marconi by Sayan · · Score: 1
    Bose demonstrated radio signalling in 1895 almost 2 years before Marconi did in 1897 and cross-Atlantic in 1901 (both times using a detector designed by Bose). Prof. J.C. Bose did not want to commercialize his invention and published his work for others to copy / improve upon.

    Reference at U.S. National Radio Astronomy Observatory Apparently IEEE also recognized Bose's contribution to Radio. Maybe a someone with access to IEEE material (Google has not helped me) can substantiate this.

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  54. Tesla Blackballed by the Smithsonian by aimew · · Score: 0

    Marconi shamelessly used many of Tesla's patents in his apparatus with no credit, verbal or monetary, to him. Doesn't that make Marconi a thief?

    A great deal of the responsibility for Tesla being largely forgotten goes to the Smithsonian Institution. They choose to be totally ignorant of his accomplishments; going so far as displaying some of his inventions in the Edison exhibit. (You could probably build a 1,000HP generator around Tesla spinning in his grave over this - but alas, he was cremated!)

    Tesla was in arrears for his subscription to the Smithsonian magazine, perhaps this is their petty way of getting their due from him? He is reported to have met their inquiries to his tardiness with this reply: "I hope, therefore, that you will interpret the term 'immediate attention' in a liberal, I might say geological, sense." They remain humorless to this day. (Quote from "Tesla, Master of Lightning" by Margaret Cheney and Robert Uth - Metrobooks publishing, copyright 1999 by the authors.)

    There are a couple of great books on Tesla, if anybody is interested, both by Margaret Cheney:

    "Tesla, a Man Out of Time" & "Tesla, Master of Lightning" (with Robert Uth)

    They are, IMHO, 'must reads' for anyone interested in looking into the mind of pure genius, albeit, possessing poor to no business acumen. That alone is primarily why he died virtually unknown to academia and hence, future generations.

    During the "war of the currents" he actually tore up his licensing agreements with Westinghouse, thereby allowing AC to emerge victorious; but, leaving Tesla a virtual pauper. He had no regrets over that, but was disappointed later in life when Westinghouse turned his back on him.

    Nonetheless, his legacy lives on...

    The 'and gate' couldn't be patented in the 50's because Tesla already patented the concept in 1898 in his radio controlled ships and torpedoes. (patent #613,809)

    There are countless examples of instances like this, where decades and scores of years would go by and some inventor would come up against Tesla for his patents. Yet he remains virtually unknown.

    Fly-back transformers (TVs) and ignition coils (cars) are variants of Tesla coils, yet nobody knows him.

    We generate and transmit power by means that remain unchanged in the hundred plus years since Tesla invented the system, yet he is a stranger in his adopted country. (He was most proud of his citizenship papers - that was one of the very few documents that he would keep in his safe.)

    His bladeless turbine couldn't be made to work in his day due to the lack of strength in the materials he had to work with; but, they are in production today and used in mines, oilfields and elsewhere. It is noteworthy that even with modern materials these turbines can not be run at full efficiency as the rotors tend to flow as a viscus fluid at full operating speed (30,000RPM!)

    High energy research today is just coming up to speed with some of Tesla's inventions and ideas: plasma physics, particle beams, and microwave broadcasting of energy are but a few things that he was working on a century ago. Those concepts and designs weren't even understood to science until the fifties!

    Some of his apparatus and ideas remain mysterious to this day, but work is progressing.

    Man out of time, indeed! A pox on Marconi!

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  55. Tesla, not Marconi, invented Radio by aimew · · Score: 0

    In 1943 the US Supreme Court upheld Tesla's claim that his patents predated ANY of Marconi's concerning radio transmission apparatus.

    I don't know about other, earlier claims, but Tesla, not Marconi, is the father of modern radio, especially insofar as the superhetrodine transmitter/receiver combination we employ today.

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  56. Re:Historical paralells... by rworne · · Score: 1

    Then some documentary I saw at one time was wrong. At that time they showed a plane, a "light panel" that showed orders issued from the ground controllers and mentioned that there was no way for the pilot to use his radio (to contact the KAL flight) because the Soviets at the time did not allow their aircraft to transmit on civilian frequencies to presumably make defections more difficult.

    This was shown ages ago, perhaps around the time of the incident. Thanks for the link, I hate it when I spout off inaccurate info.

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