Its funny, because all the/.ers were complaining about how "dumbed down" the XP interface was compared to previous versions. Believe it or not, MS does employ UX people. If there are STILL people that can't figure things out.. well, I always though the "For Dummies" books would be more accurately title "For Raving Retards."
Well, you get what you pay for. Buy an "el-cheapo" integrated grahpics card, don't expect to run Aero. FWIW, the Vista upgrade advisor warned me about the crappy graphics card on my workstation, and we were fortunate enough to have a dedicated card around.
Seriously.. why is my 2004 graphics card out-performing integrated cards on today's MBs? As I said, you get what you pay for.. of course you can always turn off Aero.
For most things, at least if your objective is running apps that dont require sound, and access to external devices like a printer or something then all you need is virtualization.
In other words, if you want to play games or print your resume? Ya, who would want that all in ONE OS?
with 4 GB or ram
Hmm...
Okay well, ive got more ram but still most modern PC's today come with 2 GB ram, so running one more parallel OS should not be a big deal at all, unless and of course you need to print or scan or do something along those lines.
Most PCs now are just starting to come with 1GB, in large part due to Vista's requirements.
Taking people's icons away and forcing them to use the start menu confuses users.
I don't like many icons on the desktop. Even still, its easy to turn them back on.
Changing the names and locations of things with every new version so people have to learn all over again is an ordeal.
My Documents has been "My Documents" from Win95 until Vista. Now its simply called Documents. Ya, big stretch.
Internet Explorer 7 took away "History" unless you want to clutter up your screen with an explorer bar. Where did the history pull-down go.
Click the star icon. The explorer bar opens temporarly. Click History. Ya, difficult.
Parents want to check up on where their kids have been surfing. Why the hell would they take a feature away?
What feature was taken away? Nevermind that Vista includes Parental Controls.
It boggles the mind! Microsoft has made computing more complicated and confusing for the average user at every turn when they need to make it simpler. It is a shame they are still in business.
I've found it much easier. What's your answer? Linux I suppose? Or Apple, which is the lock-in leader in the computing industry?
Actually, it was their first thought after they got bitten personally by the botch-up, but IMHO not during design or at any stage before release.
Oh right, because you're inside their mind. Perhaps the exec thought that the dev team would ensure it wouldn't be an issue? Seems much more likely to me.
If the end-using customer is their first thought, then please explain DRM.
I'd rather buy an OS that can play movies out of the box than hack support in after digging through sites and vague instructions, while moving to gray legal areas. Any other stupidity you'd like to spew?
I guess they should have targeted the 100mhz pentium computers to make you happy? Seriously, I don't want features missing from an OS because you feel you should be able to run it on 1996 hardware.
FWIW, my 3800+ x2 1gb pc3200 nvidia 5700 fx with 120 gb ide drive runs vista just fine.
The fallback doesn't have to be completely transparent. It could just do the same thing IE and Firefox do when they block a pop-up window: pop up a yellow, non-modal diagnostic above the content area. "$browser is using a short IP address for www.facebook.com because there was a problem reaching the web site through its long numeric address. [What's This?] [X]"
And then the endless complaints about "more annoying dialogs!"
A diagnostic like this would help users of web sites notify operators that the sites are misconfigured.
How, when apparently the people at facebook can't be bothered to test their own site? I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to test your own site when you make a major change, I don't think anyone should be helping you.
Funny you say that; I started using Vista at work, because we wanted to use it before computers started arriving with it pre-installed. I liked it so much I got the Ultimate edition for my home computer, and purchased a laptop with Business edition installed and moved that to Ultimate as well.
I'm much more impressed with Vista than XP; I initially hated XP when it was released.
Wow, get over yourself. Web design is orders of magnitudes easier than surgery.
Also, saying you were "inspired" by another's work is just a fancy term for "I stole it and tweaked it to my liking." I doubt you'd come up with a totally original design on you.
That's why we have a republic. And our government isn't supposed to be involved in our day to day lives. If the latter was true, you really wouldn't have anything to worry about.
They are similar, but not the same, that's my point. And again, why should IPv6 fallback to IPv4? Seems like it would mask more problems, letting them bite people down the line. Especially when IPv6 is supposed to be supported by a site, but they messed up the configuration.
If its not common, which you seem to now agree on, then why do a fallback? Seems to me doing so could introduce bugs for little payoff.
How can you say falling back from one protocol to another is common? Do we fall back to IPX if IPv4 doesn't find a host name? WINS? Poorly configured production servers are also "common?"
The story submitter only found ONE site that wasn't working, but you claim this problem is "common?"
Funny, I am still seeing that problem with windows.
I'm sorry, where did I say no one ever had problems with Windows? The fact is though that you can't walk into any store, buy a printer, and bring it home expecting it will work on Linux. Chances are it won't.
I run windows on the desktop because I play windows-only games regularly, and rebooting is annoying.
You're doing something wrong if you're rebooting a lot. Most people can run XP just fine, never turning the computer off. Unless you're dual booting.. which I was doing as well. And it was annoying, so rather than continue to keep using two OSes, one of which did most of what I wanted and had to fight with much of the time, I ditched Linux completely.
I'm much happier for it.
My server/router is running linux because it works, and works well.
I never said it wouldn't work. I simply said that I wanted to be able to use it, rather than fight with it to get it to do what I wanted.
I would argue that slowing the passage of laws would be a good thing. I for one don't think we should be passing "laws" quickly; that just means we have some new garbage because of knee jerk reactions. The Patiot Act springs to mind, and I'm sure a host of others bad laws can be found because we were trying to "act quickly."
I think that's why Linux won't ever make it to the desktop. The attitude seems to be "if you can't figure it out, you're stupid," instead of "how can we make this better."
Ya, some teacher writes a book no one has heard of and makes claims which no one can investigate without buying his book. Dude, take off your tinfoil hat. Unless you can show me some documentation that the schools are "designed" to brainwash. And then explain how my school and many others get away with bucking the supposed "design."
I like how you conviently ignore the posibility that the company will recycle the battery and continue just fine finacially. As if that's not a possiblity.
As others have pointed out, the cost of recycling is included in the replacement cost of a new battery. Just like when I buy new laser toner from Dell, they include in that price cost of me shipping back the used cartridges.
So you honestly think its better to leave IPv6 turned off? Sorry, at some point a decision needs to be made to leave the past behind. You think it fine to have transition code.. why did we not need it when people switched from IPX to IP? How long should the transiction code remain active? How many problems with sites being setup incorrectly will it hide (that is, would anyone notice that FB is broken until IPv4 is mostly gone?).
If ONLY facebook doesn't work, I don't see why users would make the jump that Vista is broken. Most users think the site is broken if only one doesn't work. Others may blame their ISP. Either way, they should be told who's fault it is.. facebooks. Why should MS care what a non-technical user thinks? I have some non-technical users that say my appliction is broken, when in fact it works as designed (as verified by those I gathered requirements from). Its supposed to work a certain way, and just because a couple of my users don't seem to remember that, it becomes not my problem.
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Its funny, because all the /.ers were complaining about how "dumbed down" the XP interface was compared to previous versions. Believe it or not, MS does employ UX people. If there are STILL people that can't figure things out.. well, I always though the "For Dummies" books would be more accurately title "For Raving Retards."
Well, you get what you pay for. Buy an "el-cheapo" integrated grahpics card, don't expect to run Aero. FWIW, the Vista upgrade advisor warned me about the crappy graphics card on my workstation, and we were fortunate enough to have a dedicated card around.
Seriously.. why is my 2004 graphics card out-performing integrated cards on today's MBs? As I said, you get what you pay for.. of course you can always turn off Aero.
Funny, because my hardware is more circa 2004 - 2005 than 2007. Its been quite a while since I upgraded anything in that PC.
For most things, at least if your objective is running apps that dont require sound, and access to external devices like a printer or something then all you need is virtualization.
In other words, if you want to play games or print your resume? Ya, who would want that all in ONE OS?
with 4 GB or ram
Hmm...
Okay well, ive got more ram but still most modern PC's today come with 2 GB ram, so running one more parallel OS should not be a big deal at all, unless and of course you need to print or scan or do something along those lines.
Most PCs now are just starting to come with 1GB, in large part due to Vista's requirements.
Did anyone ever say you were out of touch?
Taking people's icons away and forcing them to use the start menu confuses users.
I don't like many icons on the desktop. Even still, its easy to turn them back on.
Changing the names and locations of things with every new version so people have to learn all over again is an ordeal.
My Documents has been "My Documents" from Win95 until Vista. Now its simply called Documents. Ya, big stretch.
Internet Explorer 7 took away "History" unless you want to clutter up your screen with an explorer bar. Where did the history pull-down go.
Click the star icon. The explorer bar opens temporarly. Click History. Ya, difficult.
Parents want to check up on where their kids have been surfing. Why the hell would they take a feature away?
What feature was taken away? Nevermind that Vista includes Parental Controls.
It boggles the mind! Microsoft has made computing more complicated and confusing for the average user at every turn when they need to make it simpler. It is a shame they are still in business.
I've found it much easier. What's your answer? Linux I suppose? Or Apple, which is the lock-in leader in the computing industry?
Actually, it was their first thought after they got bitten personally by the botch-up, but IMHO not during design or at any stage before release.
Oh right, because you're inside their mind. Perhaps the exec thought that the dev team would ensure it wouldn't be an issue? Seems much more likely to me.
If the end-using customer is their first thought, then please explain DRM.
I'd rather buy an OS that can play movies out of the box than hack support in after digging through sites and vague instructions, while moving to gray legal areas. Any other stupidity you'd like to spew?
I guess they should have targeted the 100mhz pentium computers to make you happy? Seriously, I don't want features missing from an OS because you feel you should be able to run it on 1996 hardware.
FWIW, my 3800+ x2 1gb pc3200 nvidia 5700 fx with 120 gb ide drive runs vista just fine.
Did you even read the summary? The MS exec's first thought was of the customers. Good grief.
That's fine if you don't care about performance. Remember, we're talking about desktops / laptops here. Virtualization isn't the answer to everything.
Dude, grow up and take off your foil hat. Such simplistic blanket statements show a lack of intelligence.
The fallback doesn't have to be completely transparent. It could just do the same thing IE and Firefox do when they block a pop-up window: pop up a yellow, non-modal diagnostic above the content area. "$browser is using a short IP address for www.facebook.com because there was a problem reaching the web site through its long numeric address. [What's This?] [X]"
And then the endless complaints about "more annoying dialogs!"
A diagnostic like this would help users of web sites notify operators that the sites are misconfigured.
How, when apparently the people at facebook can't be bothered to test their own site? I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to test your own site when you make a major change, I don't think anyone should be helping you.
Yes, because funny is repeating the same joke over and over and over again. Maybe I should mention the FSM?
Funny you say that; I started using Vista at work, because we wanted to use it before computers started arriving with it pre-installed. I liked it so much I got the Ultimate edition for my home computer, and purchased a laptop with Business edition installed and moved that to Ultimate as well.
I'm much more impressed with Vista than XP; I initially hated XP when it was released.
Hmm.. you can always tell the people that make jokes about Vista based on a TV commercial, but never used it.
Wow, get over yourself. Web design is orders of magnitudes easier than surgery.
Also, saying you were "inspired" by another's work is just a fancy term for "I stole it and tweaked it to my liking." I doubt you'd come up with a totally original design on you.
That's why we have a republic. And our government isn't supposed to be involved in our day to day lives. If the latter was true, you really wouldn't have anything to worry about.
They are similar, but not the same, that's my point. And again, why should IPv6 fallback to IPv4? Seems like it would mask more problems, letting them bite people down the line. Especially when IPv6 is supposed to be supported by a site, but they messed up the configuration.
If its not common, which you seem to now agree on, then why do a fallback? Seems to me doing so could introduce bugs for little payoff.
How can you say falling back from one protocol to another is common? Do we fall back to IPX if IPv4 doesn't find a host name? WINS? Poorly configured production servers are also "common?"
The story submitter only found ONE site that wasn't working, but you claim this problem is "common?"
Funny, I am still seeing that problem with windows.
I'm sorry, where did I say no one ever had problems with Windows? The fact is though that you can't walk into any store, buy a printer, and bring it home expecting it will work on Linux. Chances are it won't.
I run windows on the desktop because I play windows-only games regularly, and rebooting is annoying.
You're doing something wrong if you're rebooting a lot. Most people can run XP just fine, never turning the computer off. Unless you're dual booting.. which I was doing as well. And it was annoying, so rather than continue to keep using two OSes, one of which did most of what I wanted and had to fight with much of the time, I ditched Linux completely.
I'm much happier for it.
My server/router is running linux because it works, and works well.
I never said it wouldn't work. I simply said that I wanted to be able to use it, rather than fight with it to get it to do what I wanted.
Yes, too much time, and not enough brains to realize that our language itself is ambiguious.
I would argue that slowing the passage of laws would be a good thing. I for one don't think we should be passing "laws" quickly; that just means we have some new garbage because of knee jerk reactions. The Patiot Act springs to mind, and I'm sure a host of others bad laws can be found because we were trying to "act quickly."
I think that's why Linux won't ever make it to the desktop. The attitude seems to be "if you can't figure it out, you're stupid," instead of "how can we make this better."
Ya, some teacher writes a book no one has heard of and makes claims which no one can investigate without buying his book. Dude, take off your tinfoil hat. Unless you can show me some documentation that the schools are "designed" to brainwash. And then explain how my school and many others get away with bucking the supposed "design."
I like how you conviently ignore the posibility that the company will recycle the battery and continue just fine finacially. As if that's not a possiblity.
As others have pointed out, the cost of recycling is included in the replacement cost of a new battery. Just like when I buy new laser toner from Dell, they include in that price cost of me shipping back the used cartridges.
So you honestly think its better to leave IPv6 turned off? Sorry, at some point a decision needs to be made to leave the past behind. You think it fine to have transition code.. why did we not need it when people switched from IPX to IP? How long should the transiction code remain active? How many problems with sites being setup incorrectly will it hide (that is, would anyone notice that FB is broken until IPv4 is mostly gone?).
If ONLY facebook doesn't work, I don't see why users would make the jump that Vista is broken. Most users think the site is broken if only one doesn't work. Others may blame their ISP. Either way, they should be told who's fault it is.. facebooks. Why should MS care what a non-technical user thinks? I have some non-technical users that say my appliction is broken, when in fact it works as designed (as verified by those I gathered requirements from). Its supposed to work a certain way, and just because a couple of my users don't seem to remember that, it becomes not my problem.