Tell that to the copyright office and the courts because how you chose to watch that DVD is relevent. The DMCA doesn't give you, the consumer, the right to decrypt the DVD that right is given to you by the copyright holder and they can say you are SOL if you use linux.
I could care less what they say. Honestly. I BOUGHT THE GODDAMNED DVD. The sole purpose of owning a DVD is to watch it. I OWN it, therefore i will and can watch it. As far as copyright goes, i'm not doing any copying. Just because something is law doesn't mean its right.
and that people love free stuff.
Sure, can you blame them? 'Hmm, i can get this for free, or i can pay for the exact same thing. I think i'd rather pay.' Does that even seem rational? Here's something else for you to consider. I also think that napster shows that music has no value (monetarily, at least). People don't think its worth paying for, otherwise they would. I'm willing to bet that most people with gigs of MP3s would NOT have bought the CD that contains the music they have. I might like a song, but ya know what, i'm not willing to pay for it to listen to it whenever i want. It seems to me like alot of people have that feeling. If it comes down to paying or nothing, i pick nothing. So napster or not, i think the record companies are fucked.
too small of a group to have any influence in the market
So instead of a small market, and making some money, the corps would rather make no money. Hmm. Good business logic to me.
The thread wasn't about rights (and yes, I have a bleak look on that front also. I do read what comes out of the courts and the government), it was about consumers effecting change through the marketplace which is something I don't see happening anytime soon. You're right, no one will effect change through the markets. However to me, region coding isn't about markets, its about peoples rights to own something and do what they wish with it. To me this is a social issue, and you change things socially by getting involved in politics, and breaking unjust laws every chance you get. Of course the chances of people doing that are probably small too...but does that mean no one should try?
Your arguement is invalid. Being able to play a dvd in linux isn't about the format of the music (CD or vinyl). The hardware is identical in both cases. I buy a DVD disc, and a DVD ROM, and i expect to be able to watch the DVD on my computer.
This is whats fair to me. I bought the goddamn DVD, and i will watch it, period. Thats the right given to me by owning it, and no one will tell me when, where, or how i will watch it. I'm not breaking any laws by viewing it, thats the whole point of my owning it!
It became MY software when i purchased it. You know how ownership works right? (Sorry, i don't buy into that IP crap either...you can only own things that are tangible).
The market inconveinenced is so small it effectively has no voice.
There are so few Arabs in this country, they effectively have no voice.
You make it sound like its ok to ignore a minority of people. You also ignore another fact. I buy a movie, i am allowed to watch it. How i choose to do so is (and should be) irrelevent. So what if i want to play in on my linux computer? Or a device of my own design? I bought the fucking thing, i will watch it any damn way i please.
* Can't copy. Most people don't do that anyway. If Joe Average doesn't feel the need to backup his financial data on his PC then why backup his video library? For the public in general this too is a non-issue.
I think Napster disproves that copying is a nonissue.
* Region encoding? Big whoop. For the vast majority of people out there this is a non-issue. They aren't buying foreign films from France. People are buying stuff like Cat and Dogs or Planet of the Apes.
While the import market might be small, i'm sure it exists in suffient numbers that its there and operating. While many not many people buy movies from france, i think alot more do from Japan (anime comes to mind..).
If you knew anything about the history of UNIX, you'd know that XFree86 is a free implimination of X Windows designed to run on the PC. X Windows was around long before XFree86..
Neither is the Windows GUI. An operating system provides services, not an interface. At least thats what i seemed to get from my operating systems courses.
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If they are hiring, no i don't think you shouldn't be allowed not to contact them. Just saying they are hiring i would consider solicitation. Or if they have an email address for such inquiries even if they do not state they are currently hiring (although they usually say something like 'we're not hiring, but we always like hearing about potential canditates').
I'm afraid that it is as simple as one sentence. Its obvious if i go to a company's website and they have info@xy.com or billing@xy.com or careers@xy.com that they want people to email them.
Just as if i post something in a newgroup to ask a question, for example, i am soliciting ANSWERS (not anything else) to that question...or perhaps i made a statement and posted my email so that someone can continue a debate that was started in the newsgroup.
I stand by my original statement, its not that complicated, and i don't think there are really any loopholes, if you just think for a second about it.
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Simple, unsolicited emails from someone you don't know and is not CURRENTLY fulfilling a business transaction for you (which of course, you initiated).
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I think the problem that people are having is that they are already paying for thier bandwidth, and don't want to pay for someone elses. Part of me worries that if this trend continues, then i will not be able to justify 40/month for MY broadband connection, if i have to pay sites i visit to let me use it quickly. Yes i know that it costs them more money then me, but maybe they should find another way to make income.
In my school, (Rochester Institute of Tech, http://www.rit.edu/), they taught both Linux and Windows, at least in the 4 IT courses i took. I was a CS student, but my non-CS concentration was in IT, Systems Administration. As for the CS side, almost everything was UNIX.
Do they? I was speeding on the highway today, and did not cause any harm. Yet technically i have broken the law and should have been punished. I agree that harm should be the only determinate of the legality of something, but even then the waters get murky. If i say fuck you in front of an 11 year old, have i done harm? Is there proof one way or the other?
I hate to tell you this, but most people cannot afford even 50 for DSL. 100/month for DSL is simply outragous, i don't blame people for not wanting to pay it. 50 is already pushing it for me, i don't need broadband THAT badly, and i can afford it.
The US has the SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE health care system in the world.
Actually if i recall correctly England has the best health care in the world. Part of the criteria was how accessble the health care is, and in the US, poorer people don't have any or very little access to our great healthcare.
I can see an argument that by voluntarily running trojanned code, he gives up his right to security.
Hey, i've got a cool screen saver you should see. I'll email it to you.
Yes its stupid to run software you get in your email, but saying thats stupidity equals giving up a right? WTF? Thats some pretty odd logic. I just don't buy it.
And i also have a problem with law enforcement breaking laws (or even have exemptions written for them). There's something really screwy with that idea as well. Police are meant to enforce the law, but not be above it.
My company has Comcast as a client. It doesn't sound to me like Comcast@home people will be left out in the dark. Comcast plans to take over the management of the network...thats all that excite@home did anyway.
Slight difference when someone is buying cars and such in your name, and you don't notice it for a while. Identity theft is not just getting your credit card, its getting other helpful things like your SSN. Which allows people to open bank accounts and take out loans in your name. There are plenty of documented cases...its even been on 20/20 or other such shows. I believe there's another similar story airing soon. Anyone know what time and channel this guy should be watching?
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Tell that to the copyright office and the courts because how you chose to watch that DVD is relevent. The DMCA doesn't give you, the consumer, the right to decrypt the DVD that right is given to you by the copyright holder and they can say you are SOL if you use linux.
I could care less what they say. Honestly. I BOUGHT THE GODDAMNED DVD. The sole purpose of owning a DVD is to watch it. I OWN it, therefore i will and can watch it. As far as copyright goes, i'm not doing any copying. Just because something is law doesn't mean its right.
and that people love free stuff.
Sure, can you blame them? 'Hmm, i can get this for free, or i can pay for the exact same thing. I think i'd rather pay.' Does that even seem rational? Here's something else for you to consider. I also think that napster shows that music has no value (monetarily, at least). People don't think its worth paying for, otherwise they would. I'm willing to bet that most people with gigs of MP3s would NOT have bought the CD that contains the music they have. I might like a song, but ya know what, i'm not willing to pay for it to listen to it whenever i want. It seems to me like alot of people have that feeling. If it comes down to paying or nothing, i pick nothing. So napster or not, i think the record companies are fucked.
too small of a group to have any influence in the market
So instead of a small market, and making some money, the corps would rather make no money. Hmm. Good business logic to me.
The thread wasn't about rights (and yes, I have a bleak look on that front also. I do read what comes out of the courts and the government), it was about consumers effecting change through the marketplace which is something I don't see happening anytime soon.
You're right, no one will effect change through the markets. However to me, region coding isn't about markets, its about peoples rights to own something and do what they wish with it. To me this is a social issue, and you change things socially by getting involved in politics, and breaking unjust laws every chance you get. Of course the chances of people doing that are probably small too...but does that mean no one should try?
Your arguement is invalid. Being able to play a dvd in linux isn't about the format of the music (CD or vinyl). The hardware is identical in both cases. I buy a DVD disc, and a DVD ROM, and i expect to be able to watch the DVD on my computer.
This is whats fair to me. I bought the goddamn DVD, and i will watch it, period. Thats the right given to me by owning it, and no one will tell me when, where, or how i will watch it. I'm not breaking any laws by viewing it, thats the whole point of my owning it!
It became MY software when i purchased it. You know how ownership works right? (Sorry, i don't buy into that IP crap either...you can only own things that are tangible).
The market inconveinenced is so small it effectively has no voice.
There are so few Arabs in this country, they effectively have no voice.
You make it sound like its ok to ignore a minority of people. You also ignore another fact. I buy a movie, i am allowed to watch it. How i choose to do so is (and should be) irrelevent. So what if i want to play in on my linux computer? Or a device of my own design? I bought the fucking thing, i will watch it any damn way i please.
* Can't copy. Most people don't do that anyway. If Joe Average doesn't feel the need to backup his financial data on his PC then why backup his video library? For the public in general this too is a non-issue.
I think Napster disproves that copying is a nonissue.
* Region encoding? Big whoop. For the vast majority of people out there this is a non-issue. They aren't buying foreign films from France. People are buying stuff like Cat and Dogs or Planet of the Apes.
While the import market might be small, i'm sure it exists in suffient numbers that its there and operating. While many not many people buy movies from france, i think alot more do from Japan (anime comes to mind..).
If you knew anything about the history of UNIX, you'd know that XFree86 is a free implimination of X Windows designed to run on the PC. X Windows was around long before XFree86..
OTOH, i don't think they can trademark windows alone. Isn't it always 'Microsoft Windows'?
Neither is the Windows GUI. An operating system provides services, not an interface. At least thats what i seemed to get from my operating systems courses.
If they are hiring, no i don't think you shouldn't be allowed not to contact them. Just saying they are hiring i would consider solicitation. Or if they have an email address for such inquiries even if they do not state they are currently hiring (although they usually say something like 'we're not hiring, but we always like hearing about potential canditates').
I'm afraid that it is as simple as one sentence. Its obvious if i go to a company's website and they have info@xy.com or billing@xy.com or careers@xy.com that they want people to email them.
Just as if i post something in a newgroup to ask a question, for example, i am soliciting ANSWERS (not anything else) to that question...or perhaps i made a statement and posted my email so that someone can continue a debate that was started in the newsgroup.
I stand by my original statement, its not that complicated, and i don't think there are really any loopholes, if you just think for a second about it.
Simple, unsolicited emails from someone you don't know and is not CURRENTLY fulfilling a business transaction for you (which of course, you initiated).
I think the problem that people are having is that they are already paying for thier bandwidth, and don't want to pay for someone elses. Part of me worries that if this trend continues, then i will not be able to justify 40/month for MY broadband connection, if i have to pay sites i visit to let me use it quickly. Yes i know that it costs them more money then me, but maybe they should find another way to make income.
How about $5 per update, not $10/month. I'm not going to be updating all that often..
In my school, (Rochester Institute of Tech, http://www.rit.edu/), they taught both Linux and Windows, at least in the 4 IT courses i took. I was a CS student, but my non-CS concentration was in IT, Systems Administration. As for the CS side, almost everything was UNIX.
Um, i doubt you'll have to worry about that. RR is owned by TWC...so i doubt there's even a contract to run out.
Do they? I was speeding on the highway today, and did not cause any harm. Yet technically i have broken the law and should have been punished. I agree that harm should be the only determinate of the legality of something, but even then the waters get murky. If i say fuck you in front of an 11 year old, have i done harm? Is there proof one way or the other?
I hate to tell you this, but most people cannot afford even 50 for DSL. 100/month for DSL is simply outragous, i don't blame people for not wanting to pay it. 50 is already pushing it for me, i don't need broadband THAT badly, and i can afford it.
Of course then your problem becomes in defining 'evil' behavior.
Yes you can. You own the harddrive the digital copy is stored on, just as you own the CD the digital copy is stored on.
It has been, thanks!
Actually, i've found cell phones to be much more expensive then a regular land line. Usually the problem is not enough minutes.
Can someone explain the bond deal to me? I'm assuming its not the same as being an investor. I wasn't aware companies could offer bonds.
The US has the SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE health care system in the world.
Actually if i recall correctly England has the best health care in the world. Part of the criteria was how accessble the health care is, and in the US, poorer people don't have any or very little access to our great healthcare.
Um, i don't think that consent thing flies. Both sides have to uphold the contract.
I can see an argument that by voluntarily running trojanned code, he gives up his right to security.
Hey, i've got a cool screen saver you should see. I'll email it to you.
Yes its stupid to run software you get in your email, but saying thats stupidity equals giving up a right? WTF? Thats some pretty odd logic. I just don't buy it.
And i also have a problem with law enforcement breaking laws (or even have exemptions written for them). There's something really screwy with that idea as well. Police are meant to enforce the law, but not be above it.
My company has Comcast as a client. It doesn't sound to me like Comcast@home people will be left out in the dark. Comcast plans to take over the management of the network...thats all that excite@home did anyway.
Slight difference when someone is buying cars and such in your name, and you don't notice it for a while. Identity theft is not just getting your credit card, its getting other helpful things like your SSN. Which allows people to open bank accounts and take out loans in your name. There are plenty of documented cases...its even been on 20/20 or other such shows. I believe there's another similar story airing soon. Anyone know what time and channel this guy should be watching?