Vatican is ridiculous in many ways (standing by BS mythologies not even being the worst), but they (well, their direct subordinates mostly) ultimately cherished and immensely contributed to progress - even if with some notable hiccups now and then... The myth about Dark Ages which "stole" from us a millennium of progress is just that, a myth (created by next epoch); at the least they also brought new types of societies (towards ours) and relative stabilization.
Copernicus was also a Catholic priest. Georges Lemaître likewise (sure, Big Bang is convenient if one also dedicated his life to Abrahamic mythology, but...). Or Mendel, a Catholic monk... speaking of biological sciences, evolution and Vatican (emphasis mine):
How do the conclusions reached by the various scientific disciplines coincide with those contained in the message of revelation? And if, at first sight, there are apparent contradictions, in what direction do we look for their solution? We know, in fact, that truth cannot contradict truth ...
the need of a rigorous hermeneutic for the correct interpretation of the inspired word. It is necessary to determine the proper sense of Scripture, while avoiding any unwarranted interpretations that make it say what it does not intend to say. In order to delineate the field of their own study, the exegete and the theologian must keep informed about the results achieved by the natural sciences ...
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
And the surest, by far, determinant of "self control" (or pretty much anything crucial)...how the first 2 decades of life looked like, the core of it being about family home.
They very much made people happy. Much happier than the alternatives, at least. You can see this in places with historically rampant levels of piracy... where people chose Windows (or, if it was chosen for them, it was not works of some IT drone). After Amiga (sort of dominating at my place) died, there was simply no better choice suitable for your "average joe", so MS did exceptionally well.
Seeing how supposedly "tablets will be PCs for normal people", that might change; here MS fortunes aren't yet clear. Though - they were few years late to the game with GUI, too; and if they'll remain strong in businesses they should do fine (and come on, WinMob generally wasn't locked like that at all, in world markets)
No, you have it wrong, the true & wonderful life begins only after death! Hm, what would that make abortions... (of course, you'd need somebody to do them & willing for real self-sacrifice of eternal damnation...the ultimate martyr?!)
And seriously, not far from half of conceptions ends with early natural abortion, woman typically not realizing it. Is that some manslaughter? Even better - at early stages, the mother and embryo essentially fight hormonal war...
Such theater is generally one hell of a useful and "valued" social skill. No wonder its reflected in political life...
(plus: personal deficits of many people are out of control; virtually everybody thinks they're "good", while at the same time likely to make an opposite assumption about "weird" & lesser people (related also to incarceration); most people like perks... and an engineer or worker whining about gov waste would still, when supplying any public-funded project, claim that their services are obviously essential and the price fair (likewise with always honorable military family members, nvm myths they killed for and still believe in... frighteningly large % still thinks Iraq had anything to do with 9/11); people are generally convinced jails are not a problem which can happen to them, and have a need to believe that those who get in are "bad"; you get the picture...)
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. -- John Stuart Mill
Hence a fairly reliable voter base...
Generally, regarding such "discussions" - can't we just link to few old ones? (even from this site) They already cover pretty much everything, regarding such trollnews. There's really nothing more to add. Quick search gives one example (I'm linking to thread, that includes especially answers), and another. Or even this and that.
PS. Personal observation about how we merely like to convince ourselves into reliability of our memory, how many myths about it & our minds we tend to believe (list of cognitive biases, almost unchanged split-brain patients, mention of one localized brain trauma resulting in people becoming completely blind without them realizing it, popular harmful BS lies / myth of "we're so important, gods love us, more of us live now than have ever lived!" & ignoring 100+ billion dead homo sapiens sapiens (at least we will be similarly ignored very quickly, so there's some "balance"...)); also about how decent and freedom loving people we are (it's a bit sad how our deep need for Just World gets derailed so easily:/ )
How, when people get older, they tend to start believing myths about the greatness of their youth (not the least because it makes us feel better when faced with "frustrating" reality of how much better in fact it is "now", for most cases of "now")... that approach right here is also at the core of anti-liberalism.
The US is not a socialist country, and should not have socialist institutions
It's not socialism when red scared people like the perks or are told to support it.
(and adding to your closing part: of course the whole mess is also generally reminiscent of large parts of population which can't live within their means, with balanced personal budgets. And since govs are largely a reflection of their societies...)
1) from much higher latitudes (seeing the improvement in GTO Soyuz will get in Kourou, from 1.7 to 2.8 tonnes...) 2) plus A7V is a standard Angara, 7 of them; one can also mean the heavy variant of core Angara stages, giving a stack in 100 tonnes range.
^why it was primarily about "Of course... much more late... would have to be on time, also with its heavy variant, at the least."; which is unlikely, to say the least (too bad, really, they are constantly cash-strapped... and if only STS & Buran didn't suck their space agencies dry) - but then, when did SpaceX delivered their new projects on PR announcements schedules? (NVM constant mentions of "reusability"; & costs just finally close to other inexpensive vehicles)
OTOH schedule dates/permits/etc. also depend on the demonstrable readiness of the rocket, progress of preparations... Anyway, if history is any guide, causes related to the rockets themselves tend to cause very large part of delays.
Of course, for it to not be "most powerful", Angara (even more modular... much more late) would have to be on time, also with its heavy variant, at the least.
Anyway, such payloads aren't even strictly necessary for Mars sample return - not with our automatic rendezvous & docking capability (which we've done in the 60s, making the Shuttle obsolete before it seriously made its way to drawing boards)
At least those new launchers take an approach of very high modularity & semi mass-production - seems to be working fine for R-7 family, "the most reliable... most frequently used launch vehicle in the world" (and one of the least expensive ones; too bad Zenit isn't given much of a chance)
At the very least - genes of our closest living relatives suggest numerous "total" plagues of HIV-like pathogens... and they never had cities.
Keep more in mind that part about how the records are scarce before the age of cities. And how common misdiagnoses and "underdiagnoses" were - people just died from being sickly. "Using" plagues to largely wipe out native American populations also worked, without much of any cities in many areas.
BTW, recent findings - of some genetic admixture in us - suggest there's no need to believe in interbreeding with Neanderthals. Unless you mean "stronger" scenario, with their disappearance mostly due to "dilution" of them into... us.
And this changes the actual rates, actual data and their conclusions, or the BS you spew even in your basic chronology of "Boeing equipment failures" (NVM how major one, random hull rupture is as bad as it gets)... in what way? NVM as far as fatalities go... (and both cases in question being most likely maintenance errors anyway; but BTW, a lot of avionics / equipment in Airbuses is US-made...)
Right, lawyers - even those leeches unable to get any cash from such "patriotism" flavored paranoia + some people really wanting to believe. Or: airlines, the ones who want confidence in the safety of bought airplanes / it brings them more money - trust both manufacturers pretty much equally, looking at history of deliveries and procurements.
As far as your nickname goes, you're a disappointment (unless it's itself...)
Yeah, well, false sense of correctness from the lack of whining by auto-correct;p (that, and many such differences aren't immediately intuitively apparent in 3rd language...)
1) We don't use the germ theory (and related) very well (do a quick search for MRSA Norway), likewise with cleaning and hygiene (going overboard with this one again probably contributing to some illnesses) or antibiotic over-prescription (people demanding - and getting - antibiotics for flu, WTF?! The way we're headed, antibiotics will become useless and we'll be pretty much back to early XX century). And better don't mention eating habits...
We're doing many things wrong, it would be good to try to NOT take them in much worse direction.
2) You might be overstating the idyllic existence of our distant ancestors. While records from their times are scarce, bones and corpses we find don't paint very idyllic picture - telling us how undernourished they often were (real hunger is a big thing), enough to quite often resort to cannibalism; marks of many traumas telling about a generally painful, hardships-filled existence. This tends to be stressful.
Srsly, a general aviation aircraft, often operated on soil runways, as an example? (even typically, at my place) How do you managed to convince yourself it's a good idea? NVM the difference between a soil runway / taxiing area vs. areas outside it (and how bringing an airplane to a stop as quickly as possible, on them, is preferable; even at the cost of irreparable damage)
Anyway, if anything it was a fault of tire manufacturer. Certainly not worse than engine part icing.
Prob & Stat could be one of those things... perceived as intruding into safety zones of people uncomfortable with anything "hostile" to their ancient answers to some questions. Or at least perceived such by few people using that group.
"badly damaged after sliding off the runway"; high speed "taxiing" through soil tends to cause gear collapses in any aircraft / but interesting how you read it in the most damning way;p (and similar engine faults are quickly blamed on, also Airbus in this thread...)
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Speaking of the, uhm, devil... (check also article using this file, and main organisations and people mentioned in it)
Copernicus was also a Catholic priest. Georges Lemaître likewise (sure, Big Bang is convenient if one also dedicated his life to Abrahamic mythology, but...). Or Mendel, a Catholic monk... speaking of biological sciences, evolution and Vatican (emphasis mine):
How do the conclusions reached by the various scientific disciplines coincide with those contained in the message of revelation? And if, at first sight, there are apparent contradictions, in what direction do we look for their solution? We know, in fact, that truth cannot contradict truth
...
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the need of a rigorous hermeneutic for the correct interpretation of the inspired word. It is necessary to determine the proper sense of Scripture, while avoiding any unwarranted interpretations that make it say what it does not intend to say. In order to delineate the field of their own study, the exegete and the theologian must keep informed about the results achieved by the natural sciences
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.
And the surest, by far, determinant of "self control" (or pretty much anything crucial) ...how the first 2 decades of life looked like, the core of it being about family home.
They very much made people happy. Much happier than the alternatives, at least. You can see this in places with historically rampant levels of piracy... where people chose Windows (or, if it was chosen for them, it was not works of some IT drone). After Amiga (sort of dominating at my place) died, there was simply no better choice suitable for your "average joe", so MS did exceptionally well.
Seeing how supposedly "tablets will be PCs for normal people", that might change; here MS fortunes aren't yet clear. Though - they were few years late to the game with GUI, too; and if they'll remain strong in businesses they should do fine (and come on, WinMob generally wasn't locked like that at all, in world markets)
No, you have it wrong, the true & wonderful life begins only after death! Hm, what would that make abortions... (of course, you'd need somebody to do them & willing for real self-sacrifice of eternal damnation ...the ultimate martyr?!)
And seriously, not far from half of conceptions ends with early natural abortion, woman typically not realizing it. Is that some manslaughter? Even better - at early stages, the mother and embryo essentially fight hormonal war...
what self-respecting (sic) racist would be a member of a party that had a black man at the top?
A black supremacy one?
(maybe some ended as stalinist libertarians, economic means of suppression are as good as any other)
Such theater is generally one hell of a useful and "valued" social skill. No wonder its reflected in political life...
(plus: personal deficits of many people are out of control; virtually everybody thinks they're "good", while at the same time likely to make an opposite assumption about "weird" & lesser people (related also to incarceration); most people like perks... and an engineer or worker whining about gov waste would still, when supplying any public-funded project, claim that their services are obviously essential and the price fair (likewise with always honorable military family members, nvm myths they killed for and still believe in... frighteningly large % still thinks Iraq had anything to do with 9/11); people are generally convinced jails are not a problem which can happen to them, and have a need to believe that those who get in are "bad"; you get the picture...)
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. -- John Stuart Mill
Hence a fairly reliable voter base...
:/ )
... that approach right here is also at the core of anti-liberalism.
Generally, regarding such "discussions" - can't we just link to few old ones? (even from this site) They already cover pretty much everything, regarding such trollnews. There's really nothing more to add. Quick search gives one example (I'm linking to thread, that includes especially answers), and another. Or even this and that.
Some pictorial ontopic humor thrown in
PS. Personal observation about how we merely like to convince ourselves into reliability of our memory, how many myths about it & our minds we tend to believe (list of cognitive biases, almost unchanged split-brain patients, mention of one localized brain trauma resulting in people becoming completely blind without them realizing it, popular harmful BS lies / myth of "we're so important, gods love us, more of us live now than have ever lived!" & ignoring 100+ billion dead homo sapiens sapiens (at least we will be similarly ignored very quickly, so there's some "balance"...)); also about how decent and freedom loving people we are (it's a bit sad how our deep need for Just World gets derailed so easily
How, when people get older, they tend to start believing myths about the greatness of their youth (not the least because it makes us feel better when faced with "frustrating" reality of how much better in fact it is "now", for most cases of "now")
The US is not a socialist country, and should not have socialist institutions
It's not socialism when red scared people like the perks or are told to support it.
(and adding to your closing part: of course the whole mess is also generally reminiscent of large parts of population which can't live within their means, with balanced personal budgets. And since govs are largely a reflection of their societies...)
"people smart enough not to have official kids, tossing cuckoo eggs to the few percent of 'non-paternity event' males", OTOH...
My experience is that people see a group they identify with as at least 75% fabulous.
1) from much higher latitudes (seeing the improvement in GTO Soyuz will get in Kourou, from 1.7 to 2.8 tonnes...) 2) plus A7V is a standard Angara, 7 of them; one can also mean the heavy variant of core Angara stages, giving a stack in 100 tonnes range.
... much more late ... would have to be on time, also with its heavy variant, at the least."; which is unlikely, to say the least (too bad, really, they are constantly cash-strapped... and if only STS & Buran didn't suck their space agencies dry) - but then, when did SpaceX delivered their new projects on PR announcements schedules? (NVM constant mentions of "reusability"; & costs just finally close to other inexpensive vehicles)
^why it was primarily about "Of course
Leaving the little bit how the mass of loaded B737 isn't almost entirely about fuel.
OTOH schedule dates/permits/etc. also depend on the demonstrable readiness of the rocket, progress of preparations... Anyway, if history is any guide, causes related to the rockets themselves tend to cause very large part of delays.
Of course, for it to not be "most powerful", Angara (even more modular... much more late) would have to be on time, also with its heavy variant, at the least.
... most frequently used launch vehicle in the world" (and one of the least expensive ones; too bad Zenit isn't given much of a chance)
Anyway, such payloads aren't even strictly necessary for Mars sample return - not with our automatic rendezvous & docking capability (which we've done in the 60s, making the Shuttle obsolete before it seriously made its way to drawing boards)
At least those new launchers take an approach of very high modularity & semi mass-production - seems to be working fine for R-7 family, "the most reliable
Elevators are robots. You need to build a fighting robot (but bonus points for a fighting elevator)
At the very least - genes of our closest living relatives suggest numerous "total" plagues of HIV-like pathogens... and they never had cities.
Keep more in mind that part about how the records are scarce before the age of cities. And how common misdiagnoses and "underdiagnoses" were - people just died from being sickly. "Using" plagues to largely wipe out native American populations also worked, without much of any cities in many areas.
BTW, recent findings - of some genetic admixture in us - suggest there's no need to believe in interbreeding with Neanderthals. Unless you mean "stronger" scenario, with their disappearance mostly due to "dilution" of them into... us.
And this changes the actual rates, actual data and their conclusions, or the BS you spew even in your basic chronology of "Boeing equipment failures" (NVM how major one, random hull rupture is as bad as it gets)... in what way? NVM as far as fatalities go... (and both cases in question being most likely maintenance errors anyway; but BTW, a lot of avionics / equipment in Airbuses is US-made...)
Right, lawyers - even those leeches unable to get any cash from such "patriotism" flavored paranoia + some people really wanting to believe. Or: airlines, the ones who want confidence in the safety of bought airplanes / it brings them more money - trust both manufacturers pretty much equally, looking at history of deliveries and procurements.
As far as your nickname goes, you're a disappointment (unless it's itself...)
Yeah, well, false sense of correctness from the lack of whining by auto-correct ;p (that, and many such differences aren't immediately intuitively apparent in 3rd language...)
1) We don't use the germ theory (and related) very well (do a quick search for MRSA Norway), likewise with cleaning and hygiene (going overboard with this one again probably contributing to some illnesses) or antibiotic over-prescription (people demanding - and getting - antibiotics for flu, WTF?! The way we're headed, antibiotics will become useless and we'll be pretty much back to early XX century). And better don't mention eating habits...
We're doing many things wrong, it would be good to try to NOT take them in much worse direction.
2) You might be overstating the idyllic existence of our distant ancestors. While records from their times are scarce, bones and corpses we find don't paint very idyllic picture - telling us how undernourished they often were (real hunger is a big thing), enough to quite often resort to cannibalism; marks of many traumas telling about a generally painful, hardships-filled existence. This tends to be stressful.
Srsly, a general aviation aircraft, often operated on soil runways, as an example? (even typically, at my place) How do you managed to convince yourself it's a good idea? NVM the difference between a soil runway / taxiing area vs. areas outside it (and how bringing an airplane to a stop as quickly as possible, on them, is preferable; even at the cost of irreparable damage)
Anyway, if anything it was a fault of tire manufacturer. Certainly not worse than engine part icing.
Any salesperson or real estate agent will tell you that dressing nicely and driving a nice car DOES matter.
Based on what?
Prob & Stat could be one of those things... perceived as intruding into safety zones of people uncomfortable with anything "hostile" to their ancient answers to some questions. Or at least perceived such by few people using that group.
"badly damaged after sliding off the runway"; high speed "taxiing" through soil tends to cause gear collapses in any aircraft / but interesting how you read it in the most damning way ;p (and similar engine faults are quickly blamed on, also Airbus in this thread...)
And all of those hull losses had everything to do with human error or weather. The one for B777 - technical fault.