How much "4G" is it anyway? This table (yeah, I know, just what was agreed there) seems to place mobile WiMax in "3G transitional", together with other tech of comparable speeds which is generally regarded as "3G"
You assume those thigs are possible or at the least feasible in our Universe. I strongly suspect they aren't. (besides, mentioning such advanced descendants as ultra-advanced 'AI" is a bit out-of-contex issue in this case, I think; we would probably not recognise it/them as our progeny, it/they might barely notice us)
For other examples - you surely can remember the name Columbus? (Leif Ericson notwithstanding...) Wright brothers? Montgolfier? Or, for another area - Buddha? Jesus from Nazaret? Muhammad?
The events itself, surrounding all those people, were't really that unusual, all things considered; but they sure changed a lot in the end, with "pre-", and "post-" definatelly observed by us.
Well, LEO is actually also very interesting from a scientific perspective. A pretty good place for satellites dealing wirth Earth sciences. That still of course is better done with robots...
To be fair, also don't forget that ISS is a nice training ground for long manned space missions; with basically only two major differences - weak shielding (provided by Earth magnetosphere) and miniscule propulsion; bot easily modelled on Earth.
There's a bit of difference between the things you describe and, for the given example, first spaceflight of man. Yes, things you mention are of course huge...but this kind of discoveries, technologies, etc. don't really work on the basis of "events". Singular, era-changing.
And who better to do it than other members of their group, hm? Especially those who supposedly don't support such double standards...or do they? (after all - why they haven't asked already?)
It is cheaper for someone else to do it already. Heck, ISS is such a money drain partially also because most of the modules were designed to be launched by the most expensive of available vehicles. But the core ones (those which were originally meant to be "Mir 2", basically) didn't require it, maintainance of the station doesn't require it...so much (again, desing), and most of future modules will also dock autonomously.
Or why is it that Arianespace has, last time I checked, over half of GEO satellite launches? You think they don't go where it's simply less expensive?
Why is that the next "flagship" NASA space telescope, JWST, is being launched by...Ariane 5?
I don't know, I just don't quite perceive the knowledge about one of the most profound , era-changing events in human history (and an individual who is the face of that event) as "high school academic information never to be used again"...
You still have to explain how those people can be such hypocrites...demanding unconditional free speach for them, while at the same time cheering censorship in areas that are perceived as a threat to their beliefs... (which tells us BTW how much they trully really believe in them)
Anyway, as I said, it's inevitably changing. Consider that if you would came in contact with typical community of faithful from even 200 (not to mention, say, just 500) years ago...you would consider them most likely to be batshit crazy. And they would return the favor, oh yes they would...
The issues we discussed are just a natural continuation of that, shifted widely.
Not necessarily; there were quite a few extinction events casued mostly by...change of environment by life itself. Don't forget that the true rulers of this planet are bacteria.
If such massive catastrophe, as described in TFS, were to happen - who knows, might get interesting. Is it so inconcievable that bacteria would remind yet again who owns this place? As a byproduct, changing the Earth enviroment to be unbearable to complex multicellular life...
"The issue has been resolved... Good news, people" is not quite correct. Naturally, the status quo of bending laws here and there (simply change them isntead of such show...) has been reestablished to your satisfaction; but that doesn't resolve the issue.
Oh well, it's the direction of the world anyway. I'm happy I can already see it, at leats locally.
Hm, it's a bit scary to consider in what kind of enviroment you were/are entrenched, at least for a formative enough time, if you allowed yourself to make such mistake...
And if not mostly for the seating arrangement in lunar module, it seems that Buzz Aldrin would have the title of "first man on the Moon"; or so the story goes (also that rest of the astronauts considered him the "smartest"; one that contributed to developing orbital mechanics, etc.; strongly supporting Obama plan despite apparently being in the "opposite" political camp)
In contrast, I suspect Armstrong et al. are mostly in the mode of cheerishing their past glory. Understandable when they won't be able to do it for much longer...
You being confused, as you just admitted, is exactly the point.
And hey, if you really want to argue that looking at individuality is the valid approach with religions, possibly the most entrenched, and far spanning, societal contructs...
Even better - actual, honest effort at colonization is still probably much better done with unmanned vehicles.
Dozens or hundreds of relativelly small vehicles carrying frozen embrios, to be exact; with practically all of the space and mass taken by technology needed to get them started on a new world.
Sure, you can still describe such mission as "manned" if you really want to...but for practical purposes, the space part of this mission isnt't really manned.
I'm looking at its actions, nothing more. Things is, there doesn't seem to be much of a positive reinforcement between the prevalence of Christianity and mature societal ethics, maybe a bit the contrary here and there...
Again, describing a quite valid IMHO approach, for which you have to yet present solid argumentation why it's wrong, in derogatory terms almost as principle (who would done that again?...) - that's a straw man, if anything here is.
And were you really, at any point, of the impression that I'm approaching specifically you with most of what was said? (talk about modesty...). That's pointless, useless and - not even very effective at anything. Even if I would somehow "turn you over"...so what? You and me would still be two isndignificant individuals. You have to look at religions as a group and what that group collectivelly represents. Picking out specific individuals doesn't give you much; especially since there's often so clear discrepancy between what people claim, and what they do. I much prefer morality based on actions, not intentions.
Again, it doesn't matter that you personally (and even if mostly sincerely) think you don't stand for such people. In such social dynamics individuals hardly matter. You, me...we don't matter much individually.
Oh, and describing this (using again previous example) clear censorship (in a place with supposedly "freedom of speech"...) as "misconception" - that would be a straw man. And very in line with the comments one might expect from people you supposedly don't support... But you do. You believe in mostly the same things. You base that faith on the same things (and yes, their views can be deducted directly from your sacred texts; are actually strongly supported by those texts). But suddenly noticing such strong correlations, such overlying goals and wordviews...is wrong?
Due to required fuel for deorbit burn from GEO, it's much more feasible to simply give the malfunctioning satellite a push to take it outside of GEO, in the range of typical graveyard orbit for GEO satellites.
Yeah, there are problems; I guess we could use the still functioning (heck, functioning "too good") transponders as a beacon for rendezvous, with the last part being controlled...visually, from Earth. There's another problem - G15 doesn't have, I think, any hardpoints to grapple it (perhaps the structure which was attaching it, in the past, to the launch rocket could be used, with equivalent on the "tug")
And you know what - there might be such vehicle after all. Take Progress (which has almost a production line after all), don't load it with useless for the mission supplies (plus generally dismantle any parts which are not neccessary) - and even with makeshift adapter at the front, it might just make it to GEO...
Plus what would mostly suffice is...knocking out the solar panels of G15.
The problem is - I don't think GEO satellites have all that great close rendezvous capability, there was no need. Not a showstopper, but hitting G15 in the desirable way might be...hard. And risky
Even more desirable, probably, would be positioning the second satellite very close to G15, in a way that will starve it from power (by shadowing G15 solar pannels). Still has the problem with precision rendezvous...
Too bad the mission of a large, deployable aerodynamic sail, meant for deorbiting satellites on which it is attached, is not nearly ready. If it were - it could be perhaps feasible to repurpose the sail test satellite (plus give it better rendezvous capability / visual system; since the satellite is apparently very small, you won't even require large and expensive rocket to put it in GEO) for "let there be darkness" mission...
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(does it work, locally, "type A & E quickly to get Æ"? ;) )
How much "4G" is it anyway? This table (yeah, I know, just what was agreed there) seems to place mobile WiMax in "3G transitional", together with other tech of comparable speeds which is generally regarded as "3G"
You assume those thigs are possible or at the least feasible in our Universe.
I strongly suspect they aren't.
(besides, mentioning such advanced descendants as ultra-advanced 'AI" is a bit out-of-contex issue in this case, I think; we would probably not recognise it/them as our progeny, it/they might barely notice us)
For other examples - you surely can remember the name Columbus? (Leif Ericson notwithstanding...) Wright brothers? Montgolfier? Or, for another area - Buddha? Jesus from Nazaret? Muhammad?
The events itself, surrounding all those people, were't really that unusual, all things considered; but they sure changed a lot in the end, with "pre-", and "post-" definatelly observed by us.
Well, LEO is actually also very interesting from a scientific perspective. A pretty good place for satellites dealing wirth Earth sciences. That still of course is better done with robots...
To be fair, also don't forget that ISS is a nice training ground for long manned space missions; with basically only two major differences - weak shielding (provided by Earth magnetosphere) and miniscule propulsion; bot easily modelled on Earth.
No reason for them to go with anything else than also one of the recent ARM SoC.
There's a bit of difference between the things you describe and, for the given example, first spaceflight of man. Yes, things you mention are of course huge...but this kind of discoveries, technologies, etc. don't really work on the basis of "events". Singular, era-changing.
Pre - manking was confined to this planet.
After - well then, we finally got going.
And who better to do it than other members of their group, hm? Especially those who supposedly don't support such double standards...or do they? (after all - why they haven't asked already?)
It is cheaper for someone else to do it already. Heck, ISS is such a money drain partially also because most of the modules were designed to be launched by the most expensive of available vehicles. But the core ones (those which were originally meant to be "Mir 2", basically) didn't require it, maintainance of the station doesn't require it...so much (again, desing), and most of future modules will also dock autonomously.
Or why is it that Arianespace has, last time I checked, over half of GEO satellite launches? You think they don't go where it's simply less expensive?
Why is that the next "flagship" NASA space telescope, JWST, is being launched by...Ariane 5?
I don't know, I just don't quite perceive the knowledge about one of the most profound , era-changing events in human history (and an individual who is the face of that event) as "high school academic information never to be used again"...
You still have to explain how those people can be such hypocrites...demanding unconditional free speach for them, while at the same time cheering censorship in areas that are perceived as a threat to their beliefs... (which tells us BTW how much they trully really believe in them)
Anyway, as I said, it's inevitably changing. Consider that if you would came in contact with typical community of faithful from even 200 (not to mention, say, just 500) years ago...you would consider them most likely to be batshit crazy. And they would return the favor, oh yes they would...
The issues we discussed are just a natural continuation of that, shifted widely.
Not necessarily; there were quite a few extinction events casued mostly by...change of environment by life itself. Don't forget that the true rulers of this planet are bacteria.
If such massive catastrophe, as described in TFS, were to happen - who knows, might get interesting. Is it so inconcievable that bacteria would remind yet again who owns this place? As a byproduct, changing the Earth enviroment to be unbearable to complex multicellular life...
"The issue has been resolved ... Good news, people" is not quite correct. Naturally, the status quo of bending laws here and there (simply change them isntead of such show...) has been reestablished to your satisfaction; but that doesn't resolve the issue.
Oh well, it's the direction of the world anyway. I'm happy I can already see it, at leats locally.
Hm, it's a bit scary to consider in what kind of enviroment you were/are entrenched, at least for a formative enough time, if you allowed yourself to make such mistake...
Hah! But that's also a NASA spacecraft! ;)
Don't misrepresent the situation (who would have done so...) "If I am participating in federally funded activity...", for starters.
Secondly, we already established that your group limits freedom of speach in public places. But as long as double standards work in your favour...
Armstrong and Cernan simply do what is natural near the end of one's life. "Old ways were so much better..."
And if not mostly for the seating arrangement in lunar module, it seems that Buzz Aldrin would have the title of "first man on the Moon"; or so the story goes (also that rest of the astronauts considered him the "smartest"; one that contributed to developing orbital mechanics, etc.; strongly supporting Obama plan despite apparently being in the "opposite" political camp)
In contrast, I suspect Armstrong et al. are mostly in the mode of cheerishing their past glory. Understandable when they won't be able to do it for much longer...
Your convision means that you don't see how forcing oneself into individidual "topics at hand" doesn't really work with such vast societal constructs.
You being confused, as you just admitted, is exactly the point.
And hey, if you really want to argue that looking at individuality is the valid approach with religions, possibly the most entrenched, and far spanning, societal contructs...
Even better - actual, honest effort at colonization is still probably much better done with unmanned vehicles.
Dozens or hundreds of relativelly small vehicles carrying frozen embrios, to be exact; with practically all of the space and mass taken by technology needed to get them started on a new world.
Sure, you can still describe such mission as "manned" if you really want to...but for practical purposes, the space part of this mission isnt't really manned.
And look where such waste brought you.
I'm looking at its actions, nothing more. Things is, there doesn't seem to be much of a positive reinforcement between the prevalence of Christianity and mature societal ethics, maybe a bit the contrary here and there...
Again, describing a quite valid IMHO approach, for which you have to yet present solid argumentation why it's wrong, in derogatory terms almost as principle (who would done that again?...) - that's a straw man, if anything here is.
And were you really, at any point, of the impression that I'm approaching specifically you with most of what was said? (talk about modesty...). That's pointless, useless and - not even very effective at anything. Even if I would somehow "turn you over"...so what? You and me would still be two isndignificant individuals.
You have to look at religions as a group and what that group collectivelly represents. Picking out specific individuals doesn't give you much; especially since there's often so clear discrepancy between what people claim, and what they do.
I much prefer morality based on actions, not intentions.
Again, it doesn't matter that you personally (and even if mostly sincerely) think you don't stand for such people. In such social dynamics individuals hardly matter. You, me...we don't matter much individually.
Oh, and describing this (using again previous example) clear censorship (in a place with supposedly "freedom of speech"...) as "misconception" - that would be a straw man. And very in line with the comments one might expect from people you supposedly don't support...
But you do. You believe in mostly the same things. You base that faith on the same things (and yes, their views can be deducted directly from your sacred texts; are actually strongly supported by those texts). But suddenly noticing such strong correlations, such overlying goals and wordviews...is wrong?
Due to required fuel for deorbit burn from GEO, it's much more feasible to simply give the malfunctioning satellite a push to take it outside of GEO, in the range of typical graveyard orbit for GEO satellites.
Yeah, there are problems; I guess we could use the still functioning (heck, functioning "too good") transponders as a beacon for rendezvous, with the last part being controlled...visually, from Earth. There's another problem - G15 doesn't have, I think, any hardpoints to grapple it (perhaps the structure which was attaching it, in the past, to the launch rocket could be used, with equivalent on the "tug")
And you know what - there might be such vehicle after all. Take Progress (which has almost a production line after all), don't load it with useless for the mission supplies (plus generally dismantle any parts which are not neccessary) - and even with makeshift adapter at the front, it might just make it to GEO...
Plus what would mostly suffice is...knocking out the solar panels of G15.
The problem is - I don't think GEO satellites have all that great close rendezvous capability, there was no need. Not a showstopper, but hitting G15 in the desirable way might be...hard. And risky
Even more desirable, probably, would be positioning the second satellite very close to G15, in a way that will starve it from power (by shadowing G15 solar pannels). Still has the problem with precision rendezvous...
Too bad the mission of a large, deployable aerodynamic sail, meant for deorbiting satellites on which it is attached, is not nearly ready. If it were - it could be perhaps feasible to repurpose the sail test satellite (plus give it better rendezvous capability / visual system; since the satellite is apparently very small, you won't even require large and expensive rocket to put it in GEO) for "let there be darkness" mission...