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I wonder what upgrade path many (those who will want to upgrade) of the hundreds of millions of people reflecting, by far, most top handsets in Part 3 of this report are likely to choose... (also, note RIM there, et al that you mention)
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It's fascinating how easily people can forget Xbox...
Qt should be fine, too much heavyweight software uses it, and in worst case scenario - it's LGPL, ex-Trolltech people could pick it up.
Still, sad - Nokia was in great position to say "want us to use winmob7? Allow Qt"... but considering main negotiator, it's not surprising they most likely didn't (though I'm not sure how workable it would be anyway, considering Metro UI...)
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Indeed, look at top handsets in top20 countries of this report. Just look at them; beyond some probably fairly atypical (but vocal and visible) place. Curious way of being "toast"...
Who knows... at the very least, this deal means a lot of Winmob7 phones pretty soon. With Nokia most likely dominating - other phone makers brought, what, just ~2 million of them onto the market till now? Now they might even shun the platform, they don't depend on it & so it's easy for them, if it appears like Nokia might be getting a preferential treatment (at the least keeping Ovi Maps to themselves, and certainly deals with carriers / mobile payments). Last year Nokia sold over 100 million Symbian phones, and growing... and since now they say there are plans for just ~150 million more, that means a pretty quick switchover. With, all things said, a pretty decent OS, and which will certainly have all the "required" apps - plus IMHO a very real chance to rapidly pick up steam in mobile gaming. Then there are hundreds of millions of people still loyal to Nokia, many will want to upgrade from their "feature phones", and since Winmob7 is supposed to be now spread across a spectrum of handsets at different price points...
The "leaked" handset (yeah, "who knows?") doesn't look half bad, too...
Only the Windows logo is a bit disturbing / too bad it's still MS...;/
Plus, it's a company which succesfully reinvneted, reorganized itself numerous times... this shift is even quite minor in comparison.
PS. I think saying "This doesn't sit well with our illusory individual culture." would be somewhat more accurate, BTW.
And I can't help but wonder how similar all those revolutions ultimately might be... in past examples - whatever ideologically-guided people like to believe (and would like you to believe) - economic reasons were the major motivation for uprisings behind the Iron Curtain, for movements of the 80s. Ordinary people simply wanted better pays in relation to rising prices, better benefits, more free days, keeping holiday company funds & assets. They were fed up with some crisis of the moment, when the system was having problems providing goods and services they were used to, at the cost (to them) they wanted.
Political postulates were mostly added by "intelligentsia", piggybacking on mass discontent (and not without support of CIA funds, at the least)
(ironically enough, many former protesters sort of reversed their views when they got what they "wanted", during political & economic transformation - but by then, huge unprofitable workplaces were no longer kept alive by the state, protests directed at the latter couldn't do much)
Music... seems to go in a different direction now. Like Spotify - free at home with ads, quite small monthly pay on mobile (big upfront subscription seems fairly unattractive in comparison; and places with high data access costs...weren't likely to choose noticeably more expensive Comes With Music handset anyway, they go p2p) - already for around a year, IIRC, bringing labels more revenue in Sweden than iTunes.
Well, it's not like they made mobile phones all this time. With how they reorganized, reinvented themselves numerous times over the years (and much less drastically than this one)... who knows. MS OS did win the race once, while late, while cooperating with biggest overall player... yes, with certain gotchas for said player - who knows / we'll see.
Wait, what would be accomplished by adding some limitations to LGPL-licensed Qt?
(that said - yeah, quite a frak up with Qt... especially since hypothetically Nokia is in a great position to say "want us to use winmob7? Allow Qt"; though I'm not sure how workable it would be anyway, considering Metro UI...)
This takeover(?) by foreign corporate culture seems to have been in the making for some time - the (apparently) upcoming / new head of Nokia smartphone division... is a long past veteran of Compaq and then HP. The (apparently) new head of mobile phone division... a marketer, gaining experience selling sport clothes and cleaning products, already for some time with Nokia as the head of N. American division (WTF? Somebody from the only geographic division where Nokia doesn't dominate?)
Or maybe it's even simpler, maybe just some short term stock or financial machinations (just one I've heard somewhere: a way to bring home the "overseas" cash of MS while avoiding tax, by introducing "losses": foregone in the spirit of close cooperation Winmob7 license fees)
At least Qt should be fine, too much heavyweight software uses it, and in worst case scenario - it's LGPL, ex-Trolltech people could pick it up.
And who knows... at the very least, this deal means a lot of Winmob7 phones pretty soon. With Nokia most likely dominating - other phone makers brought, what, just ~2 million of them onto the market till now? Now they might even shun the platform, they don't depend on it & so it's easy for them, if it appears like Nokia might be getting a preferential treatment (at the least keeping Ovi Maps to themselves, and certainly deals with carriers / mobile payments). Last year Nokia sold over 100 million Symbian phones, and growing... and since now they say there are plans for just ~150 million more, that means a pretty quick overhaul. With, all things said, a pretty decent OS, and which will certainly have all the "required" apps - plus IMHO a very real chance to rapidly pick up steam in mobile gaming. Then there are hundreds of millions of people still loyal to Nokia, many will want to upgrade from their "feature phones", and since Winmob7 is supposed to be now spread across a spectrum of handsets at different price points... The "leaked" handset (yeah, "who knows?") doesn't look half bad, too...
Only the Windows logo is a bit disturbing / it's still MS...;/
A bit funny how the most impressive mechanical television of those early times (because now we have DLP...) was build on top of transmission standard already geared for electronic TV. Palace Deluxe must have been something in those times... (and the poster at the bottom;> )...maybe even a bit unreal (say, how Burj Dubai supposedly looks to some - it isn't striking per se, because it doesn't feel real... like a painted background element)
(supposedly closest to most slashdotters, probably uses the same GSM bands; from Part 3 of the reports it's clear they are much closer to world-typical popularity of Nokia S40 handsets... but obviously & unfortunately those are capable of j2me & web browsing (though "really" robust 3720 is among them...), there's also S30 / 1000-series / 5030 & C1-00 too, I believe;> )
And even despite how the world as a whole has apparently become "at least 50 percent urban" around two years ago... it doesn't change much. Very large part of that would be considered urban slums by the parent poster.
(and not so much service, as prepaid data access; also, Part 4 suggests it is noticeably less than $10 - because of course people do browse, use FB or IM on "dumbphones" -...though 10 is not strictly inaccurate, just not taking into account Big Mac Index)
with the complicity of Congress and the Executive and the voters from the "greatest generation"
We are the ones who were too stupid to remove the corrupt and greedy from office, not them. We are the ones that fell for the free lunch promises of our political class, not them. We are the ones that let absolute morons take over our schools. I wouldn't blame the next generations if they just decided to put a bullet in grandpa's head, given our poor stewardship beginning in the 20th century.
So close and never quite saying it... from where do people directly involved in the system of governance come from? Which of the world societies determines the style of governance in a given place?
Govs are largely a reflection of society; the latter needs to be fixed, too (it does generally require a generation or two, unfortunately)
It's often symptomatic, on many levels. Referring a bit to "sacred DoD cow" of grandparent - sure, many people can even realize the "9/11 & Iraq" BS, some might be even aware of granderbackground of PR machine, or maybe even (gets harder) such heresies. But, if the closest or even extended family has somebody in military, brining income, then this person is of course a honorable man... (same for unit, its actions, et al)
Or, generally, if a family depends on engineer or blue collar worker providing something for public money. They might even complain about pork everywhere... except, of course, in the place of work of said family member. Its services are essential, and the price fair.
Most people want either less corruption or more of a chance to participate in it.
Because, you know, the modern web is about 13 years old, and the pace of evolution is INCREASING.
I'm replying this using a decade old machine that I keep around. It works fine with "evolving at increasing pace modern web" (is actually somewhat more snappy than too many "modern" ones - choice of good software / lack of crapware does the trick). That would unheard of even 5 years ago, if anything the pace has stagnated (not even due to nonexistence of your imaginary physics)
Using some kind of e-paper could save some power(see Motorola F3).
...a phone which is no better in battery life from any Nokia 1xxx-series (and many from higher ones) or lowest-end Samsung phones (like e1081t)
Though, in comparison with those, it does have incredibly horrible UI and poor features.
thanks to conscription. It would be unthinkable that a tank gunner would shoot in the crowd of protesters, no matter what order would be given from the generals. The lower tiers of the army are tightly knit into the society and are therefore more keen on joining the protesters
Well, that's also why the conscripts usually serve far from home city... That's why pacification of Tienanmen Square protests was via even more levels of shuffling people around, using units from distant provinces...
It was close to that in a lot of cases. For example - whatever ideologically-guided people like to believe (and would like you to believe) - economic reasons were the major motivation for uprisings behind the Iron Curtain, for movements of the 80s. Ordinary people simply wanted better pays in relation to rising prices, better benefits, more free days, keeping holiday company funds & assets. They were fed up with some crisis of the moment, when the system was having problems providing goods and services they were used to, at the cost (to them) they wanted.
Political postulates were mostly added by "intelligentsia", piggybacking on mass discontent (and not without support of CIA funds, at the least...)
(ironically enough, many former protesters sort of reversed their views when they got what they "wanted", during political & economic transformation - but by then, huge unprofitable workplaces were no longer kept alive by the state, protests directed at the latter couldn't do much)
Yup, Egypt was just a necessary anomaly in how we deal with "allies" to assure their stability in the face of internal situation, nothing close to the rule.
And those activities can be largely done already by so called "feature phones" or "dumb phones" (curious how pundits from few atypical, but visible and vocal places include also Samsung Star, Corby or LG Cookie...). Heck, all devices in Part 3 of this report can (obviously) do a significant part of your list. But some people think there's no place for them, since obviously world market must act just like their local one...
Hundreds of millions of people, fine... that's already the case with present sub 20% share of userbase, with Symbian alone shipping 100+ million last year. Now compare it to, currently, 5+ billion of mobile subscribers. Certainly 6 before not too long (most of them not having own monitor, BTW; or dependable access to electricity)
Don't apply your experiences from very atypical place to the rest of the world. Don't listen to pundits doing likewise. I'm sure you think iPod was the dominating mp3 player worldwide, too? (and not, again, in a few fairly atypical places; rest had mostly Chinese S1/S1-like players, and during last few years shifted to so called "feature phones")
Most people in the world own their phones, and use prepaid. Look at Part 3 of this report, top handsets in top20 countries. Keep in mind not only how those devices are often perhaps up to 2 times more expensive in absolute prices (the less prosperous a given place is, the higher the premium on consumer electronics), but also "Big Mac Index" - how this can be easily ~10x more expensive subjectively. Similar with data access. And Opera Mini + FB & IM j2me app (+some random one...) work fine in such scenarios.
Actually...they make so called "feature phones" (Samsung Corby & Star, LG Cookie included... those phones are largely responsible for touchscreen uptake) more of a "smartphone" than the iPhone for first year (heck, "classic" SE handsets even have full multitasking). Might possibly be... their way. A lot of devices from Opera report are quite sturdy, offer quite good reception in marginal conditions, and very dependable battery life (things where Androids, especially low-end ones, don't fare so well; radio modules, sturdiness or battery tech don't exactly follow Moore's Law). And, from models listed, it's clear they have long lifetimes.
SUV craze or suburbia sprawl were also fairly localized.
Your analogy is more telling then you think. Yes, prices per amount of storage have decreased dramatically, absolute prices are also quite nicely low... but they never decreased below certain wall (NOT determined by Moore's Law or rising storage density)
Ultimately, batteries are the real limit. As Intel found out some time ago, when trying to promote "mobile Atom", fab process advances don't bring much nowadays.
At least Nintendo might have an "edge" here, in a way. They've shown both with DS and Wii that aiming for top performance doesn't matter... while, at the same time, not chasing the sky seems to be hard for everyone else, including (especially?) smartphone makers. OTOH: "ancient" GPU / CPU of their liking, Nintendo keeping clock and voltages quite low - this way of minimizing power consumption still works, especially since there are some squares / nonlinearities involved (though announced 3DS times of battery don't look great, anyway; I guess it's bad everywhere; oh well, time to get that DS (yeah, I'm rarely in a hurry))
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I wonder what upgrade path many (those who will want to upgrade) of the hundreds of millions of people reflecting, by far, most top handsets in Part 3 of this report are likely to choose... (also, note RIM there, et al that you mention)
It's fascinating how easily people can forget Xbox...
Qt should be fine, too much heavyweight software uses it, and in worst case scenario - it's LGPL, ex-Trolltech people could pick it up.
... but considering main negotiator, it's not surprising they most likely didn't (though I'm not sure how workable it would be anyway, considering Metro UI...)
Still, sad - Nokia was in great position to say "want us to use winmob7? Allow Qt"
Indeed, look at top handsets in top20 countries of this report. Just look at them; beyond some probably fairly atypical (but vocal and visible) place. Curious way of being "toast"...
;/
Who knows... at the very least, this deal means a lot of Winmob7 phones pretty soon. With Nokia most likely dominating - other phone makers brought, what, just ~2 million of them onto the market till now? Now they might even shun the platform, they don't depend on it & so it's easy for them, if it appears like Nokia might be getting a preferential treatment (at the least keeping Ovi Maps to themselves, and certainly deals with carriers / mobile payments). Last year Nokia sold over 100 million Symbian phones, and growing... and since now they say there are plans for just ~150 million more, that means a pretty quick switchover. With, all things said, a pretty decent OS, and which will certainly have all the "required" apps - plus IMHO a very real chance to rapidly pick up steam in mobile gaming. Then there are hundreds of millions of people still loyal to Nokia, many will want to upgrade from their "feature phones", and since Winmob7 is supposed to be now spread across a spectrum of handsets at different price points...
The "leaked" handset (yeah, "who knows?") doesn't look half bad, too...
Only the Windows logo is a bit disturbing / too bad it's still MS...
Plus, it's a company which succesfully reinvneted, reorganized itself numerous times... this shift is even quite minor in comparison.
There is no Cabal, I say!
PS. I think saying "This doesn't sit well with our illusory individual culture." would be somewhat more accurate, BTW.
And I can't help but wonder how similar all those revolutions ultimately might be... in past examples - whatever ideologically-guided people like to believe (and would like you to believe) - economic reasons were the major motivation for uprisings behind the Iron Curtain, for movements of the 80s. Ordinary people simply wanted better pays in relation to rising prices, better benefits, more free days, keeping holiday company funds & assets. They were fed up with some crisis of the moment, when the system was having problems providing goods and services they were used to, at the cost (to them) they wanted.
Political postulates were mostly added by "intelligentsia", piggybacking on mass discontent (and not without support of CIA funds, at the least)
(ironically enough, many former protesters sort of reversed their views when they got what they "wanted", during political & economic transformation - but by then, huge unprofitable workplaces were no longer kept alive by the state, protests directed at the latter couldn't do much)
It was clearly in the making before Elop, though.
Music... seems to go in a different direction now. Like Spotify - free at home with ads, quite small monthly pay on mobile (big upfront subscription seems fairly unattractive in comparison; and places with high data access costs...weren't likely to choose noticeably more expensive Comes With Music handset anyway, they go p2p) - already for around a year, IIRC, bringing labels more revenue in Sweden than iTunes.
A century year old company.
Well, it's not like they made mobile phones all this time. With how they reorganized, reinvented themselves numerous times over the years (and much less drastically than this one) ... who knows. MS OS did win the race once, while late, while cooperating with biggest overall player... yes, with certain gotchas for said player - who knows / we'll see.
FULLY Open Source Qt under the GPL
Wait, what would be accomplished by adding some limitations to LGPL-licensed Qt?
... especially since hypothetically Nokia is in a great position to say "want us to use winmob7? Allow Qt"; though I'm not sure how workable it would be anyway, considering Metro UI...)
(that said - yeah, quite a frak up with Qt
Ideally, they should've supported an open source product to turn GnuSTEP into an iPhone porting layer, but that'd be hard.
What was this one about, anyway?... "Announced", then quickly dropped, apparently.
(and generally, I doubt general consumer - or corporate one - would be quick to embrace "geek advantage"...)
This takeover(?) by foreign corporate culture seems to have been in the making for some time - the (apparently) upcoming / new head of Nokia smartphone division ... is a long past veteran of Compaq and then HP. The (apparently) new head of mobile phone division ... a marketer, gaining experience selling sport clothes and cleaning products, already for some time with Nokia as the head of N. American division (WTF? Somebody from the only geographic division where Nokia doesn't dominate?)
;/
Or maybe it's even simpler, maybe just some short term stock or financial machinations (just one I've heard somewhere: a way to bring home the "overseas" cash of MS while avoiding tax, by introducing "losses": foregone in the spirit of close cooperation Winmob7 license fees)
At least Qt should be fine, too much heavyweight software uses it, and in worst case scenario - it's LGPL, ex-Trolltech people could pick it up.
And who knows... at the very least, this deal means a lot of Winmob7 phones pretty soon. With Nokia most likely dominating - other phone makers brought, what, just ~2 million of them onto the market till now? Now they might even shun the platform, they don't depend on it & so it's easy for them, if it appears like Nokia might be getting a preferential treatment (at the least keeping Ovi Maps to themselves, and certainly deals with carriers / mobile payments). Last year Nokia sold over 100 million Symbian phones, and growing... and since now they say there are plans for just ~150 million more, that means a pretty quick overhaul. With, all things said, a pretty decent OS, and which will certainly have all the "required" apps - plus IMHO a very real chance to rapidly pick up steam in mobile gaming. Then there are hundreds of millions of people still loyal to Nokia, many will want to upgrade from their "feature phones", and since Winmob7 is supposed to be now spread across a spectrum of handsets at different price points...
The "leaked" handset (yeah, "who knows?") doesn't look half bad, too...
Only the Windows logo is a bit disturbing / it's still MS...
A bit funny how the most impressive mechanical television of those early times (because now we have DLP...) was build on top of transmission standard already geared for electronic TV. Palace Deluxe must have been something in those times... (and the poster at the bottom ;> ) ...maybe even a bit unreal (say, how Burj Dubai supposedly looks to some - it isn't striking per se, because it doesn't feel real ... like a painted background element)
Mexico? ;p
... but obviously & unfortunately those are capable of j2me & web browsing (though "really" robust 3720 is among them...), there's also S30 / 1000-series / 5030 & C1-00 too, I believe ;> )
(supposedly closest to most slashdotters, probably uses the same GSM bands; from Part 3 of the reports it's clear they are much closer to world-typical popularity of Nokia S40 handsets
And even despite how the world as a whole has apparently become "at least 50 percent urban" around two years ago ... it doesn't change much. Very large part of that would be considered urban slums by the parent poster.
...though 10 is not strictly inaccurate, just not taking into account Big Mac Index)
(and not so much service, as prepaid data access; also, Part 4 suggests it is noticeably less than $10 - because of course people do browse, use FB or IM on "dumbphones" -
with the complicity of Congress and the Executive and the voters from the "greatest generation"
We are the ones who were too stupid to remove the corrupt and greedy from office, not them. We are the ones that fell for the free lunch promises of our political class, not them. We are the ones that let absolute morons take over our schools. I wouldn't blame the next generations if they just decided to put a bullet in grandpa's head, given our poor stewardship beginning in the 20th century.
So close and never quite saying it... from where do people directly involved in the system of governance come from? Which of the world societies determines the style of governance in a given place?
Govs are largely a reflection of society; the latter needs to be fixed, too (it does generally require a generation or two, unfortunately)
It's often symptomatic, on many levels. Referring a bit to "sacred DoD cow" of grandparent - sure, many people can even realize the "9/11 & Iraq" BS, some might be even aware of grander background of PR machine, or maybe even (gets harder) such heresies. But, if the closest or even extended family has somebody in military, brining income, then this person is of course a honorable man... (same for unit, its actions, et al)
Or, generally, if a family depends on engineer or blue collar worker providing something for public money. They might even complain about pork everywhere... except, of course, in the place of work of said family member. Its services are essential, and the price fair.
Most people want either less corruption or more of a chance to participate in it.
Because, you know, the modern web is about 13 years old, and the pace of evolution is INCREASING.
I'm replying this using a decade old machine that I keep around. It works fine with "evolving at increasing pace modern web" (is actually somewhat more snappy than too many "modern" ones - choice of good software / lack of crapware does the trick). That would unheard of even 5 years ago, if anything the pace has stagnated (not even due to nonexistence of your imaginary physics)
Using some kind of e-paper could save some power(see Motorola F3).
...a phone which is no better in battery life from any Nokia 1xxx-series (and many from higher ones) or lowest-end Samsung phones (like e1081t)
Though, in comparison with those, it does have incredibly horrible UI and poor features.
thanks to conscription. It would be unthinkable that a tank gunner would shoot in the crowd of protesters, no matter what order would be given from the generals. The lower tiers of the army are tightly knit into the society and are therefore more keen on joining the protesters
Well, that's also why the conscripts usually serve far from home city... That's why pacification of Tienanmen Square protests was via even more levels of shuffling people around, using units from distant provinces...
(and I can't help but wonder about the "democracy" angle)
It was close to that in a lot of cases. For example - whatever ideologically-guided people like to believe (and would like you to believe) - economic reasons were the major motivation for uprisings behind the Iron Curtain, for movements of the 80s. Ordinary people simply wanted better pays in relation to rising prices, better benefits, more free days, keeping holiday company funds & assets. They were fed up with some crisis of the moment, when the system was having problems providing goods and services they were used to, at the cost (to them) they wanted.
Political postulates were mostly added by "intelligentsia", piggybacking on mass discontent (and not without support of CIA funds, at the least...)
(ironically enough, many former protesters sort of reversed their views when they got what they "wanted", during political & economic transformation - but by then, huge unprofitable workplaces were no longer kept alive by the state, protests directed at the latter couldn't do much)
Indeed, a delicate thing...
Yup, Egypt was just a necessary anomaly in how we deal with "allies" to assure their stability in the face of internal situation, nothing close to the rule.
Not really really 3D, either... (or so the story went, as far faithful of its arch-nemesis were concerned)
And those activities can be largely done already by so called "feature phones" or "dumb phones" (curious how pundits from few atypical, but visible and vocal places include also Samsung Star, Corby or LG Cookie...). Heck, all devices in Part 3 of this report can (obviously) do a significant part of your list. But some people think there's no place for them, since obviously world market must act just like their local one...
Hundreds of millions of people, fine... that's already the case with present sub 20% share of userbase, with Symbian alone shipping 100+ million last year. Now compare it to, currently, 5+ billion of mobile subscribers. Certainly 6 before not too long (most of them not having own monitor, BTW; or dependable access to electricity)
... their way. A lot of devices from Opera report are quite sturdy, offer quite good reception in marginal conditions, and very dependable battery life (things where Androids, especially low-end ones, don't fare so well; radio modules, sturdiness or battery tech don't exactly follow Moore's Law). And, from models listed, it's clear they have long lifetimes.
Don't apply your experiences from very atypical place to the rest of the world. Don't listen to pundits doing likewise. I'm sure you think iPod was the dominating mp3 player worldwide, too? (and not, again, in a few fairly atypical places; rest had mostly Chinese S1/S1-like players, and during last few years shifted to so called "feature phones")
Most people in the world own their phones, and use prepaid. Look at Part 3 of this report, top handsets in top20 countries. Keep in mind not only how those devices are often perhaps up to 2 times more expensive in absolute prices (the less prosperous a given place is, the higher the premium on consumer electronics), but also "Big Mac Index" - how this can be easily ~10x more expensive subjectively. Similar with data access. And Opera Mini + FB & IM j2me app (+some random one...) work fine in such scenarios.
Actually...they make so called "feature phones" (Samsung Corby & Star, LG Cookie included... those phones are largely responsible for touchscreen uptake) more of a "smartphone" than the iPhone for first year (heck, "classic" SE handsets even have full multitasking). Might possibly be
SUV craze or suburbia sprawl were also fairly localized.
Your analogy is more telling then you think. Yes, prices per amount of storage have decreased dramatically, absolute prices are also quite nicely low ... but they never decreased below certain wall (NOT determined by Moore's Law or rising storage density)
One which is very much a wall for many people.
Ultimately, batteries are the real limit. As Intel found out some time ago, when trying to promote "mobile Atom", fab process advances don't bring much nowadays.
... while, at the same time, not chasing the sky seems to be hard for everyone else, including (especially?) smartphone makers. OTOH: "ancient" GPU / CPU of their liking, Nintendo keeping clock and voltages quite low - this way of minimizing power consumption still works, especially since there are some squares / nonlinearities involved (though announced 3DS times of battery don't look great, anyway; I guess it's bad everywhere; oh well, time to get that DS (yeah, I'm rarely in a hurry))
At least Nintendo might have an "edge" here, in a way. They've shown both with DS and Wii that aiming for top performance doesn't matter