In rural Illinois you'd pay $500/month mortgage on a reasonable 3 bedroom home in a safe middle class neighborhood, in Dallas you'd pay maybe $700, in Albuquerque you'd pay $800, in Miami you'd pay $1200. So, the biggest gap there is $700/mo. That's $8,400 a year.
I paid around $1300 / month to rent a 2 bedroom apartment roughly 30 miles east of Manhattan. Was a decent but not great neighborhood. And this was 10 years ago. Mortgage + taxes for a decent sized house in NYC suburbs can easily run you over $3k / month. Now your biggest gap is $2500 / month, or over $30k a year. Other expenses add up as well. I've often joked that the nice thing about being a tourist from the NYC area is you barely notice how much you're getting gouged for food at tourist traps. It's a comparatively small markup.
And your sister might make that, but the average salary for a teacher in the US (across all levels of experience) is close to $50k.
Going to quote a bit selectively from various spots for a second here...
My sister-in-law is a teacher for a high school in NJ, and makes over $80k a year.
If those high salaries are in Silicon Valley or New York, though, they might not seem as high as half the same rate would in Omaha, or Houston, or Raleigh.
Emphasis mine.
If the highly paid programmers are skewed towards certain high cost of living markets, then it's fairer to compare salaries against other professions in those same markets, and not nationwide averages.
Are these concerns listed anywhere? I don't want to assume they're unreasonable or far-fetched without having seen them. Or is "unintended consequences" about as much details as was given during lobbying?
That would at least be interesting. And you might even get some straightforward answers. Though I think the overall hostility might be greater. Florian isn't getting questions like "How do you think your enemies will kill you?"
I suppose this is where I'm supposed to be indignant because the language I use got listed. But, I suppose it's fair. Ruby has always been one of the trendier languages, regardless of its utility.
Really struggling to avoid defending it, though.
Feel free. I mean, perl is on that list, and as much as I'd love to see every line of perl vanish from the face of the earth, there's no way in hell I'd say the language is on the verge of extinction.
If you're thinking that ruby isn't headed for the trash heap, you'd be right too. And you don't have to like (or dislike) it to see that.
I'd need to have more data about the energy costs associated in forming the nearest one at that scale to say whether or not it's doing better than break even.
The problem [is] that the energy output is less than the energy inputs.
Are you saying that science has found a way around the second law of thermodynamics?
There's always one in the energy stories...
It's not about 'creating' energy, it's about accessing the energy already stored in things. Think of it like a gold mine: Just owning the gold isn't enough. You have labor costs and other overhead. if it costs you $50 to mine $100 worth of gold, you're doing better than breaking even. If it costs you $150 to mine $100 worth of gold, you're better off leaving it where it is. At no point in the process are you creating gold.
Same idea with energy. Existing processes don't create energy, they get at existing energy. It takes a certain amount of energy to access that existing energy. Some (coal, oil, fission) are like the first gold mine, producing enough energy to make the process worth it. Fusion energy is currently like the second gold mine: you can get gold out of it, but it's going to cost you more than the gold is worth to do it.
There's probably something wrong in there (sorry, I'm rusty), but it's close enough to get the idea.
Not so much 'none' as 'a whole lot less' (or maybe 'more likely to become extinct than they are now'), and much of the land they currently occupy would then be put to other uses.
Well sure, if the drunk guy grabs the driver's tits.
I had my headrest removed and then used to smack me in the back of the head while driving around a bunch of drunk friends once. Fortunately though, none of them tried to grab my tits.
What kind of idiots did they pick for their study?
Most people don't get shocked very often. Sit in a room, think to yourself, "I wonder what that's like". Try it once, realize it sucks, and leave it alone would be the behavior I'd expect from most people.
Can't speak for the OP, but I once accidentally created a file name '-r'. Trying to remove it eventually led me to discover '--', but I don't expect most people to know about it.
The cotton gin freed slaves from the arthritic labor of separating seeds from the lint by hand. At the same time, the dramatically lowered cost of producing cotton fiber, the corresponding increase in the amount of cotton fabric demanded by textile mills, and the increasing prevalence of large-scale plantation agriculture resulted in a dramatic increase in the demand for more slaves to work those plantations. Overall, the slave population in the South grew from 700,000 before Whitney’s patent to more than three million in 1850—striking evidence of the changing Southern economy and its growing dependence on the slave system to keep the economy running.
Alan Butler, employee number 530, who at age 18 was once Sun’s youngest employee, mused somewhat wistfully: “We should have charged $1 a seat for every Java license” and that would have generated billions in cash annually, perhaps saving the company.
Fool. You'd have made about $300. With all of Java's other early problems, a price tag would have ended it before it could gain any momentum.
Pretty much the same thought I had -- I was wondering what technology would occupy java's current space if they had done that.
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In rural Illinois you'd pay $500/month mortgage on a reasonable 3 bedroom home in a safe middle class neighborhood, in Dallas you'd pay maybe $700, in Albuquerque you'd pay $800, in Miami you'd pay $1200. So, the biggest gap there is $700/mo. That's $8,400 a year.
I paid around $1300 / month to rent a 2 bedroom apartment roughly 30 miles east of Manhattan. Was a decent but not great neighborhood. And this was 10 years ago. Mortgage + taxes for a decent sized house in NYC suburbs can easily run you over $3k / month. Now your biggest gap is $2500 / month, or over $30k a year. Other expenses add up as well. I've often joked that the nice thing about being a tourist from the NYC area is you barely notice how much you're getting gouged for food at tourist traps. It's a comparatively small markup.
And your sister might make that, but the average salary for a teacher in the US (across all levels of experience) is close to $50k.
Going to quote a bit selectively from various spots for a second here...
My sister-in-law is a teacher for a high school in NJ, and makes over $80k a year.
If those high salaries are in Silicon Valley or New York, though, they might not seem as high as half the same rate would in Omaha, or Houston, or Raleigh.
Emphasis mine.
If the highly paid programmers are skewed towards certain high cost of living markets, then it's fairer to compare salaries against other professions in those same markets, and not nationwide averages.
Are these concerns listed anywhere? I don't want to assume they're unreasonable or far-fetched without having seen them. Or is "unintended consequences" about as much details as was given during lobbying?
Yeah, couldn't help but notice that the basis for the whole article is also the piece with nothing to back it up.
That would at least be interesting. And you might even get some straightforward answers. Though I think the overall hostility might be greater. Florian isn't getting questions like "How do you think your enemies will kill you?"
Is there anyone out there who you think would be even less well received by the slashdot audience than you? If so, who?
I suppose this is where I'm supposed to be indignant because the language I use got listed. But, I suppose it's fair. Ruby has always been one of the trendier languages, regardless of its utility.
Really struggling to avoid defending it, though.
Feel free. I mean, perl is on that list, and as much as I'd love to see every line of perl vanish from the face of the earth, there's no way in hell I'd say the language is on the verge of extinction.
If you're thinking that ruby isn't headed for the trash heap, you'd be right too. And you don't have to like (or dislike) it to see that.
I'd need to have more data about the energy costs associated in forming the nearest one at that scale to say whether or not it's doing better than break even.
Are you saying that science has found a way around the second law of thermodynamics?
There's always one in the energy stories...
It's not about 'creating' energy, it's about accessing the energy already stored in things. Think of it like a gold mine: Just owning the gold isn't enough. You have labor costs and other overhead. if it costs you $50 to mine $100 worth of gold, you're doing better than breaking even. If it costs you $150 to mine $100 worth of gold, you're better off leaving it where it is. At no point in the process are you creating gold.
Same idea with energy. Existing processes don't create energy, they get at existing energy. It takes a certain amount of energy to access that existing energy. Some (coal, oil, fission) are like the first gold mine, producing enough energy to make the process worth it. Fusion energy is currently like the second gold mine: you can get gold out of it, but it's going to cost you more than the gold is worth to do it.
There's probably something wrong in there (sorry, I'm rusty), but it's close enough to get the idea.
Or, in car analogy terms:
If one guy tailgates you and then passes you on the right, he's an asshole.
If 50 people tailgate you and then pass you on the right, take a goddamn hint.
Not so much 'none' as 'a whole lot less' (or maybe 'more likely to become extinct than they are now'), and much of the land they currently occupy would then be put to other uses.
Maybe on Mars.
Is there a secret New Yorker colony on Mars that I'm not aware of? I woke up late today.
Yes, much like cows. How many pigs and cows do you think there would be if we didn't raise them?
Well sure, if the drunk guy grabs the driver's tits.
I had my headrest removed and then used to smack me in the back of the head while driving around a bunch of drunk friends once. Fortunately though, none of them tried to grab my tits.
Not if most people are one or the other.
I'm both extrovert and introvert
So do they cancel out? Does that mean you're just verted?
You dirty vert you.
What kind of idiots did they pick for their study?
Most people don't get shocked very often. Sit in a room, think to yourself, "I wonder what that's like". Try it once, realize it sucks, and leave it alone would be the behavior I'd expect from most people.
Yeah, that's how I did it after some research the first time around. But rm ./-- would have worked just fine without knowing about the -- option.
Because they're not in the US? Just supposed to be US right wing doubting climate change.
The painfully obvious solution I never thought of....
Can't speak for the OP, but I once accidentally created a file name '-r'. Trying to remove it eventually led me to discover '--', but I don't expect most people to know about it.
I always thought Perl 6's major problem was a lack of backward compatibility to Perl 5.
It means that the uninfected humans have to shoot it in the head. Or stake it through the heart. And quickly, before things get worse.
Or just one or two really big cows.
Historically, technical means are a valid way to help fix social problems. Would we have ended slavery as quickly without the cotton gin?
Isn't that backwards?
quoting from first link from "cotton gin effect on slavery"
The cotton gin freed slaves from the arthritic labor of separating seeds from the lint by hand. At the same time, the dramatically lowered cost of producing cotton fiber, the corresponding increase in the amount of cotton fabric demanded by textile mills, and the increasing prevalence of large-scale plantation agriculture resulted in a dramatic increase in the demand for more slaves to work those plantations. Overall, the slave population in the South grew from 700,000 before Whitney’s patent to more than three million in 1850—striking evidence of the changing Southern economy and its growing dependence on the slave system to keep the economy running.
Alan Butler, employee number 530, who at age 18 was once Sun’s youngest employee, mused somewhat wistfully: “We should have charged $1 a seat for every Java license” and that would have generated billions in cash annually, perhaps saving the company.
Fool. You'd have made about $300. With all of Java's other early problems, a price tag would have ended it before it could gain any momentum.
Pretty much the same thought I had -- I was wondering what technology would occupy java's current space if they had done that.