And yet, somehow all those "features" on Linux, end up using more memory and requiring more CPU speed than the Windows "bloat". An interesting point of view... to say the least.
"more CPU speed"? Winders can actually make the CPU run at a higher clock rate? Dear Lord please tell me you dont actually believe that.
As for memory usage, linux prefers to cache rather than just return memory that isnt being used. Most users rerun the same processes over and over again and so instead of freeing the memory and then trying to reallocate, the kernel caches it. Oh and what about XP allocating 100MB of swap on boot? I dont know of another OS that subscribes to that insanity. Whats that registry patch that disables that again? Boot up and check your swap allocations.
Which part of KDE is slow? Badly programmed? All of it? Its not feature rich? You obviously havent used since 2.x . It doesnt have all the features of Winders but Winders doesnt have all the features of KDE either. I would list them but if you would actually try it you would see for yourself. I dual boot at work (several times a day for dev) and I can tell you that it takes about 1 minute for XP to load and 20 seconds for Linux/KDE.
One of my favorite things about X is that if an app crashes, there is no waiting to kill it (unless you want to). If you kill it, its gone immediately. Memory is free, it doesnt spend time creating a dump that you wont report anyway. KDE (and probably Gnome) also have this feature but I dont use it unless its an important app.
Linux/KDE has its shortcomings but for a lot of people it is very well suited. The same can be said for Winders.
Please stop spreading FUD. You obviously dont know anything about operating systems or window managers.
will see the application suite used by 2.5 million students. No word on whether it ships with 'Canadian English' pack
2.5 mil kids / 72 schools.
34, 722 kids per school. Those must be some big schools.
I think the point is that the OS is inconsistent not that it doesnt work for everyone.
I have only owned one XP machine that ran well and didnt need daily reboots, and that was the beta believe it or not, before the OS was even released. I like XP, I like the interface and the hardware detection. But I dont like having to patch the OS all the time to protect against security issues that due to bad design (RPC, VB scripting...).
2-3 minute reboots? Well my handy linux box boots into X in 20 seconds tops (athlon 1.4Ghz). It also powers down every time. Not that it matters because I dont reboot more than once every couple months because of a random kernel fancy.
I dont really care what people use, just use what is good for you*.
(* As long as you have "really" tested the waters to alternatives,).
Java isnt open source but has open standards and a board that controls the direction. As far as I know they have never claimed it is. Some non crucial pieces of it are available but the core is not. The core wont be open source in the near future because too many people on the board do not want that to happen.
Yes I am a 5 year java developer and do not want to see the JDK opened. Tell the GPL hippies to calm down.;)
I have a couple wifi networks at home and also install them for friends and family. I have never turned encryption on for any of them.
In most cases they live in a house and the signal doesnt get through most of the exterior walls anyway. But the main reason is although they can login to the router screen and perform many of the functions they need, they are completely confused on the encryption screen. Without encryption, the networks "just work" (tm)
There is a low probability someone would camp outside a window and have the knowledge to do serious damage anyway.
I highly doubt its "unused" as the government bought an airliner to fly in 200 employees every morning and fly them back out at night.
The base is probably used heavily as it is remote and out of the EPAs (apparent) control. R&D in the military is cash strapped as it is, They dont have enough money to blow on a fascade.
Of course this cant be enforced globally. Maybe not even locally. But If I can set up a filter to send the crap directly to my Trash bin (Not a saved folder;)), even if only 33% of th emails got snagged that is a win in my book.
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Suburbia is the killer.
Hmm devils advocate....
What is one of the main reasons people move into suburbs? Cheaper living (not the WhiteFlight BS). I know in my city, a home/condo/apartment sized for a family of 5 will run you 300k for a fixer upper in the city. In the suburbs you can get a house of the same size for 150k. In my city's case that means you have an extra 30 minutes to commute which of course contributes enourmously to pollution when one million people do it. Most businesses in the recent past have stayed in the city because the older employees (management) have no reason to move the building.
It sounds more like the busniesses who are causing the problems. If they moved out to the suburbs, commutes would be short. Since housing is cheaper, people would move when the switched jobs. If people could move their families more freely. Forget expensive neighborhoods, execs wouldnt live close enough together to make it practical. Communities would be more diverse than ever.
Recently many large companies near my city have started moving way out to the suburbs, 45-60 minutes from the city. They can pay their employees less, pay less in taxes and 90% of the company lives within 10 minutes because its so cheap. Some people even kayak to work at one business. Entire balanced communities just explode in previously "unused" farmland. Large parks are more accessible, Its cooler in the summer (concrete in cities raises the surface temp 3-5 degrees). Cars arent necessary, but neither is expensive public transportation. Hop on a bike, jump on golf cart or even row to work. There is far less traffic, and people are generally friendlier and community oriented too (that whole small town thing? =) ).
Urbanization raises the cost of living, promotes concentrated pollution (in many forms) and promotes the segregation of wealth. You can mix large apartments with small ones all you want, but at the end of the day, the rich people will clump together somewhere and you have the same social problems we have now.
Raise the tax on gasoline tremendously, and urge large companies to spread out. Make the cites larger but less dense. Make gasoline powered cars expensive to use while electric cars cheap.
That is more true with some distros than others. Some just arent very n00b friendly, I would name them but I think they are obvious. They problem is most groups in life get known for what they dont do, or do "wrong" instead of what they do right.
I would check out gentoo or mandrake lists. They seem to be the most helpful and polite. One of the problems with linux adoption is there is no clearcut distro geared towards real people that is completely free. Knoppix is a great start because it allows people to see linux without installing it. Mandrake is also good with all its hardware config tools and drakconf. We just need a solid ports based distro that can do both.
The plan to send a crew to Mars involves creating a new craft. If we dont create it, we can't use/test it. The space shuttle is a "joke" because it is 25 year old techonology (A polished terd?). Re-Entry and lift off are the two most dangerous pieces of a space mission. Niether of which will be an issue if we throw a ship to Mars.
Mars aside. The next generation of reusuable space craft will be capable of horizontal takeoffs and landings. Instead of creating a craft with such an enourmous payload, unmanned rockets will be delivering cargo, with manned craft flying up to install, configure or test it. These will be inherently safer vehicles. I would hardly say our current techonology is "crap". The main reason why we use the shuttle is because NASA doesnt have enough resources to develop a new, cheaper one. They have just enough to continue sending the shuttle up.
Some useful techonlogies that came out of early space development, velcro, teflon, medical monitoring instruments, and navigation equipment. The last two have in turn led to advancements in countless other areas (HA planes for example) . Besides its only a plan now. Resources are only being gathered to research the trip. The total cost of this will be spread out over 10-15 years (if they even decide to move forward).
It sounds like you have issues with something more than the Mars mission. Your mention of politics confirms that.
I really dont see what the big fuss from some politicians about going to Mars. 500 years ago sailors went to the New World (risking their lives) with really no garunteed return on investments.
It ended up working out ok for some countries but not for 50-75 years after the initial voyages. There wasnt really a need or reason to go, but some naval officers and private sailors convinced the people with cash otherwise.
Although these "discoveries" didnt work out to well for Indians I suppose.
You have to start somewhere. We will do it eventually, why not now?
From a conservation standpoint, that's still a good thing.
Assuming everyone who replaces their batteries doesnt toss them in a ditch somewhere like they do appliances, tvs and cars.
I really like the idea of electric cars, They would have far more usable torque than gas but hybirds seem to encapsulate the worst of both worlds. There arent enough battery powered cars out for people to make an honest receycling effort. At least not yet.
The problem isnt that they are running out of money, its that they are wasting an enormous amount of money.
Illinois just doesnt have a good business model. They have been through politcal turmoil for the last 3 years. Instead of fixing the financial problems, they want to just throw more money at it. In 3 years departments would get used to having their "raise" and simply ask for more or run at a deficit once again. States budgets will always increase as the population and inflation do. But there is no gauge for efficiency in place.
They should adopt the strategy of quality before quantity, not the reverse.
They really have nothing to do with eachother. You can use J2EE on the backend but that is a separate development layer. If you were putting ejb calls in your presentation layer I would say you have some basic development issues. If you are refering to JavaBeans (and not Enterprise Java Beans), that would be slightly more accurate.
I think you are a troll or just dont know what you are talking about... But I am bored @work =)
installing something off breakmygentoo can prevent upgrades working
Never had this happen. I use gentoo as my primary dev box (and several servers) and I use bmg ebuilds all the time. They cannot prevent upgrades from "happening" unless you are using alpha ebuilds of portage itself. If you are may God have mercy on your soul. Portage defines the rules, you choose to follow them.
I never have to compile packages
Neither do I. I just emerge them;). If I am doing heavy compiling in my development environment (for work) I just set the priority very low and dont notice the emerge. Even if I am updating KDE/Gnome I can build the entire update and install it all at once later, with no down time. I dont have to wait weeks before someone builds an rpm or a distro has it included as "stable".
never have to worry about USE flags
Well you dont have to anyway. The use flags are their if you want to customize, just like the cflags. If you dont need/want them, just leave them alone. The defaults will work fine.
Being better than RedHat doesn't necessarily make a good distro!
Well no shit. Redhat is just plain horrible (no niche, unstable, inherently outdated). Mandrake is a step in the right direction for newbies but is still package based (urpmi doesnt count). There are many different distros because there are many different needs for linux. Gentoo tries to encompass a large cross section and they do a very good job.
If you dont like it, dont use it. Just dont pull a slashdot and spread around crap that isnt true.
Actually where gentoo is really nice is on the amd64 platform (few distros have stable amd64 ports). After installing in 64bit mode and playing around with the emul32 libraries I decided that I would rather just have a 32 bit environment embedded in my 64 bit one. There are some apps and plugins that are not ported to amd64 yet.
Since I already had 32 bit emulation enabled in the kernel I simply created a new dir in / , chrooted in 32bit mode and did a full install in the background. Since I am a developer I am able to test 32bit and 64 bit apps side by side without rebooting. I can also just boot the 32bit install if I want. I have even cross mounted my home directory so that I could use the same source tree. Having done the gentoo install only a handfull of times this was still easy.
I know people say they want a good installer but I see this experience as a primary example of why I dont want one. Some people like flexibility others need point and drool. Either is fine but both would be great.
This is very true, people nowadays are getting tired of being corporate customers. They want to do business with a person they trust. Small companies with good ethics appear to be gaining more ground.
How many Nobel Laureates said that Jupiter had no surface and was a giant condensed gas ball?
Oops that meteor in the 90s sure changed a lot of minds quietly. Somehow everyone had a short term memory there. I remember being in grade school and being test on which planets are gas planets. I would assume millions of people "knew" Jupiter had no solid surface at the time. It took one event to convince everyone that was not correct (or at least not entirely correct).
There is a fine line between theory and fact. Currently I dont believe there enough facts to support the belief that humans are responsible for global warming; although it is probable. Just as the Vikings how they farmed 7 months a year in greenland 1000 years ago. Now the top 18" of soil are frozen for most of the year.
Crap I thought all the slashdot socialists and commies would be happy with this.
The intent of the overtime cutback is so that their will be more jobs available and so that the government wont be wasting as much money. Instead of paying some people 1.5-2x their regular rate in overtime, the government and its contractors can hire more people. Studies have repeatedly shown that over-working employees over time greatly reduces both the quality and quantity of their work.
I have worked for the government in an IT department. People 35 years old had retirement day counters on their desks. Yeah no joke, they dont care. They would surf the web all day long and work 2 hours extra everyday so their take home was greater. You can't fire them, you cant motivate them and you have to promote them. Go work for the government and see for yourself.
Before you jump on the Bush sucks, right-wing sucks bandwagon try and find out why this proposal was created. At the minimum you can at least see what "the enemy" is thinking.
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I dont give a poop what you or others use. I dont like people spreading things that arent true. I actually like XP better than linux.
If you dont know what you are talking about, stop talking and do some research.
And yet, somehow all those "features" on Linux, end up using more memory and requiring more CPU speed than the Windows "bloat". An interesting point of view... to say the least.
"more CPU speed"? Winders can actually make the CPU run at a higher clock rate? Dear Lord please tell me you dont actually believe that.
As for memory usage, linux prefers to cache rather than just return memory that isnt being used. Most users rerun the same processes over and over again and so instead of freeing the memory and then trying to reallocate, the kernel caches it. Oh and what about XP allocating 100MB of swap on boot? I dont know of another OS that subscribes to that insanity. Whats that registry patch that disables that again? Boot up and check your swap allocations.
Which part of KDE is slow? Badly programmed? All of it? Its not feature rich? You obviously havent used since 2.x . It doesnt have all the features of Winders but Winders doesnt have all the features of KDE either. I would list them but if you would actually try it you would see for yourself. I dual boot at work (several times a day for dev) and I can tell you that it takes about 1 minute for XP to load and 20 seconds for Linux/KDE.
One of my favorite things about X is that if an app crashes, there is no waiting to kill it (unless you want to). If you kill it, its gone immediately. Memory is free, it doesnt spend time creating a dump that you wont report anyway. KDE (and probably Gnome) also have this feature but I dont use it unless its an important app.
Linux/KDE has its shortcomings but for a lot of people it is very well suited. The same can be said for Winders.
Please stop spreading FUD. You obviously dont know anything about operating systems or window managers.
Have a good day.
will see the application suite used by 2.5 million students. No word on whether it ships with 'Canadian English' pack 2.5 mil kids / 72 schools. 34, 722 kids per school. Those must be some big schools.
Dihydrogen Monoxide http://www.dhmo.org/
I think the point is that the OS is inconsistent not that it doesnt work for everyone.
I have only owned one XP machine that ran well and didnt need daily reboots, and that was the beta believe it or not, before the OS was even released. I like XP, I like the interface and the hardware detection. But I dont like having to patch the OS all the time to protect against security issues that due to bad design (RPC, VB scripting...).
2-3 minute reboots? Well my handy linux box boots into X in 20 seconds tops (athlon 1.4Ghz). It also powers down every time. Not that it matters because I dont reboot more than once every couple months because of a random kernel fancy.
I dont really care what people use, just use what is good for you*.
(* As long as you have "really" tested the waters to alternatives,).
so much as Sun's pseudo open source (aka Java)
Java isnt open source but has open standards and a board that controls the direction. As far as I know they have never claimed it is. Some non crucial pieces of it are available but the core is not. The core wont be open source in the near future because too many people on the board do not want that to happen.
Yes I am a 5 year java developer and do not want to see the JDK opened. Tell the GPL hippies to calm down.
I have a couple wifi networks at home and also install them for friends and family. I have never turned encryption on for any of them.
In most cases they live in a house and the signal doesnt get through most of the exterior walls anyway. But the main reason is although they can login to the router screen and perform many of the functions they need, they are completely confused on the encryption screen. Without encryption, the networks "just work" (tm)
There is a low probability someone would camp outside a window and have the knowledge to do serious damage anyway.
I highly doubt its "unused" as the government bought an airliner to fly in 200 employees every morning and fly them back out at night.
The base is probably used heavily as it is remote and out of the EPAs (apparent) control. R&D in the military is cash strapped as it is, They dont have enough money to blow on a fascade.
Dawson's Creek? Dude, no...
Of course this cant be enforced globally. Maybe not even locally. But If I can set up a filter to send the crap directly to my Trash bin (Not a saved folder;)), even if only 33% of th emails got snagged that is a win in my book.
Suburbia is the killer.
Hmm devils advocate....
What is one of the main reasons people move into suburbs? Cheaper living (not the WhiteFlight BS). I know in my city, a home/condo/apartment sized for a family of 5 will run you 300k for a fixer upper in the city. In the suburbs you can get a house of the same size for 150k. In my city's case that means you have an extra 30 minutes to commute which of course contributes enourmously to pollution when one million people do it. Most businesses in the recent past have stayed in the city because the older employees (management) have no reason to move the building.
It sounds more like the busniesses who are causing the problems. If they moved out to the suburbs, commutes would be short. Since housing is cheaper, people would move when the switched jobs. If people could move their families more freely. Forget expensive neighborhoods, execs wouldnt live close enough together to make it practical. Communities would be more diverse than ever.
Recently many large companies near my city have started moving way out to the suburbs, 45-60 minutes from the city. They can pay their employees less, pay less in taxes and 90% of the company lives within 10 minutes because its so cheap. Some people even kayak to work at one business. Entire balanced communities just explode in previously "unused" farmland. Large parks are more accessible, Its cooler in the summer (concrete in cities raises the surface temp 3-5 degrees). Cars arent necessary, but neither is expensive public transportation. Hop on a bike, jump on golf cart or even row to work. There is far less traffic, and people are generally friendlier and community oriented too (that whole small town thing? =) ).
Urbanization raises the cost of living, promotes concentrated pollution (in many forms) and promotes the segregation of wealth. You can mix large apartments with small ones all you want, but at the end of the day, the rich people will clump together somewhere and you have the same social problems we have now.
Raise the tax on gasoline tremendously, and urge large companies to spread out. Make the cites larger but less dense. Make gasoline powered cars expensive to use while electric cars cheap.
Many Linux users would rather attack than help.
That is more true with some distros than others. Some just arent very n00b friendly, I would name them but I think they are obvious. They problem is most groups in life get known for what they dont do, or do "wrong" instead of what they do right.
I would check out gentoo or mandrake lists. They seem to be the most helpful and polite. One of the problems with linux adoption is there is no clearcut distro geared towards real people that is completely free. Knoppix is a great start because it allows people to see linux without installing it. Mandrake is also good with all its hardware config tools and drakconf. We just need a solid ports based distro that can do both.
The plan to send a crew to Mars involves creating a new craft. If we dont create it, we can't use/test it. The space shuttle is a "joke" because it is 25 year old techonology (A polished terd?). Re-Entry and lift off are the two most dangerous pieces of a space mission. Niether of which will be an issue if we throw a ship to Mars.
Mars aside. The next generation of reusuable space craft will be capable of horizontal takeoffs and landings. Instead of creating a craft with such an enourmous payload, unmanned rockets will be delivering cargo, with manned craft flying up to install, configure or test it. These will be inherently safer vehicles. I would hardly say our current techonology is "crap". The main reason why we use the shuttle is because NASA doesnt have enough resources to develop a new, cheaper one. They have just enough to continue sending the shuttle up.
Some useful techonlogies that came out of early space development, velcro, teflon, medical monitoring instruments, and navigation equipment. The last two have in turn led to advancements in countless other areas (HA planes for example) . Besides its only a plan now. Resources are only being gathered to research the trip. The total cost of this will be spread out over 10-15 years (if they even decide to move forward).
It sounds like you have issues with something more than the Mars mission. Your mention of politics confirms that.
I really dont see what the big fuss from some politicians about going to Mars. 500 years ago sailors went to the New World (risking their lives) with really no garunteed return on investments.
It ended up working out ok for some countries but not for 50-75 years after the initial voyages. There wasnt really a need or reason to go, but some naval officers and private sailors convinced the people with cash otherwise.
Although these "discoveries" didnt work out to well for Indians I suppose.
You have to start somewhere. We will do it eventually, why not now?
From a conservation standpoint, that's still a good thing.
Assuming everyone who replaces their batteries doesnt toss them in a ditch somewhere like they do appliances, tvs and cars.
I really like the idea of electric cars, They would have far more usable torque than gas but hybirds seem to encapsulate the worst of both worlds. There arent enough battery powered cars out for people to make an honest receycling effort. At least not yet.
The problem isnt that they are running out of money, its that they are wasting an enormous amount of money.
Illinois just doesnt have a good business model. They have been through politcal turmoil for the last 3 years. Instead of fixing the financial problems, they want to just throw more money at it. In 3 years departments would get used to having their "raise" and simply ask for more or run at a deficit once again. States budgets will always increase as the population and inflation do. But there is no gauge for efficiency in place.
They should adopt the strategy of quality before quantity, not the reverse.
Yeah that was a typo.. =)
Layers aren't an option, they are a necessity for sanity.
I think you need to read this. If you development anything that takes more than 30 man days.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/02016336
Also pick up a patterns book for enterprise application development. Layers aren't an option, they are a necessity for insanity.
What the hell does J2EE have to do with struts?
They really have nothing to do with eachother. You can use J2EE on the backend but that is a separate development layer. If you were putting ejb calls in your presentation layer I would say you have some basic development issues. If you are refering to JavaBeans (and not Enterprise Java Beans), that would be slightly more accurate.
Oh and MVC sucks. I wish it would just die. =)
I think you are a troll or just dont know what you are talking about... But I am bored @work =)
;). If I am doing heavy compiling in my development environment (for work) I just set the priority very low and dont notice the emerge. Even if I am updating KDE/Gnome I can build the entire update and install it all at once later, with no down time. I dont have to wait weeks before someone builds an rpm or a distro has it included as "stable".
installing something off breakmygentoo can prevent upgrades working
Never had this happen. I use gentoo as my primary dev box (and several servers) and I use bmg ebuilds all the time. They cannot prevent upgrades from "happening" unless you are using alpha ebuilds of portage itself. If you are may God have mercy on your soul. Portage defines the rules, you choose to follow them.
I never have to compile packages
Neither do I. I just emerge them
never have to worry about USE flags
Well you dont have to anyway. The use flags are their if you want to customize, just like the cflags. If you dont need/want them, just leave them alone. The defaults will work fine.
Being better than RedHat doesn't necessarily make a good distro!
Well no shit. Redhat is just plain horrible (no niche, unstable, inherently outdated). Mandrake is a step in the right direction for newbies but is still package based (urpmi doesnt count). There are many different distros because there are many different needs for linux. Gentoo tries to encompass a large cross section and they do a very good job.
If you dont like it, dont use it. Just dont pull a slashdot and spread around crap that isnt true.
Actually where gentoo is really nice is on the amd64 platform (few distros have stable amd64 ports). After installing in 64bit mode and playing around with the emul32 libraries I decided that I would rather just have a 32 bit environment embedded in my 64 bit one. There are some apps and plugins that are not ported to amd64 yet.
Since I already had 32 bit emulation enabled in the kernel I simply created a new dir in / , chrooted in 32bit mode and did a full install in the background. Since I am a developer I am able to test 32bit and 64 bit apps side by side without rebooting. I can also just boot the 32bit install if I want. I have even cross mounted my home directory so that I could use the same source tree. Having done the gentoo install only a handfull of times this was still easy.
I know people say they want a good installer but I see this experience as a primary example of why I dont want one. Some people like flexibility others need point and drool. Either is fine but both would be great.
Actually the first/best source of news for gentoo is:
gmane.linux.gentoo.devel
If you want to see what is really happening in the gentoo project listen there.
This is very true, people nowadays are getting tired of being corporate customers. They want to do business with a person they trust. Small companies with good ethics appear to be gaining more ground.
How many Nobel Laureates said that Jupiter had no surface and was a giant condensed gas ball?
Oops that meteor in the 90s sure changed a lot of minds quietly. Somehow everyone had a short term memory there. I remember being in grade school and being test on which planets are gas planets. I would assume millions of people "knew" Jupiter had no solid surface at the time. It took one event to convince everyone that was not correct (or at least not entirely correct).
There is a fine line between theory and fact. Currently I dont believe there enough facts to support the belief that humans are responsible for global warming; although it is probable. Just as the Vikings how they farmed 7 months a year in greenland 1000 years ago. Now the top 18" of soil are frozen for most of the year.
Crap I thought all the slashdot socialists and commies would be happy with this.
The intent of the overtime cutback is so that their will be more jobs available and so that the government wont be wasting as much money. Instead of paying some people 1.5-2x their regular rate in overtime, the government and its contractors can hire more people. Studies have repeatedly shown that over-working employees over time greatly reduces both the quality and quantity of their work.
I have worked for the government in an IT department. People 35 years old had retirement day counters on their desks. Yeah no joke, they dont care. They would surf the web all day long and work 2 hours extra everyday so their take home was greater. You can't fire them, you cant motivate them and you have to promote them. Go work for the government and see for yourself.
Before you jump on the Bush sucks, right-wing sucks bandwagon try and find out why this proposal was created. At the minimum you can at least see what "the enemy" is thinking.