I happen to read the site often. I'm guessing you're just being a troll and I shouldn't really play but I will.
"I have looked at the site, though not recently. It's a great recruiting tool for suckers."
Can you please explain how exactly it is a tool for recruiting suckers?
"I actually wonder if it is maintained by front men for the 419 scammers themeselves."
Again if you read the site, you might find that the owner and some mods/admins have been featured in television news media in both the US and the UK. They are not 419 scammers. Your tin foil hat needs some calibration.
"However, you make my point for me. As you note, the site has lots of precautions you are supposed to take. How did they collect those precautions? By screwing up--though not too seriously, since they got to add the precautions."
How does this make your point? Do you suspect that some members of their site were hunted down and killed? Then it was never mentioned on the site and instead they put up guidelines about not giving out your real name or address? You don't honestly think the people on that site really give out their real names and addresses to scammers do you?
"The fundamental problem is that it is not a game, and the higher level scammers are going to start by looking at such lists of "precautions" as the next step in the scam. They are not playing by rules. They are looking for ways to con people, and teasing "brave" fools is a great scam. Many of the best scams involve putting the suckers into positions where they don't want to complain to the police afterwards."
You are starting to ramble a bit here. Were you scammed in the past maybe?
"Yes, it's nice to know that some of the scammers do get nailed, though the morons on that Web site give themselves way too much credit. However, that's exactly what the patsies are for. Going behind the patsies to get the higher ups is much more difficult."
That is also a bit of rambling. You seem like an intelligent person, but I think you might be missing some information. That site seems to have police contacts in some areas of Africa. They investigate gangs of scammers, seize property obtained by scamming, and make arrests which lead to convictions and prison time.
I just don't really see what your issue is with this type of website. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about a site like pervertedjustice.com ? They do something very similar in, some respects, to what those at the 419eater.com site do.
"1. They are NOT stupid. (Though they use some stupid front men to hold the bags and take the raps. If the bag man is smart enough to work the scams, he moves up and you don't see him any more.)"
From what I've seen on 419eater.com some of them are very stupid.
"2. It is obvious to them if you are trying to bait them or play games."
It looks like from actually reading that site that some of these criminals have been arrested using law enforcement contacts involved with members of the site. Apparently it's not obvious to them that they are being messed with, otherwise they would not play along to the point where a law enforcement officer in Africa arrests them.
"3. They have lots of experience."
It appears the members of the 419eater site also have a lot of experience.
"4. They also have lots of resources, including things you will never be aware of until too late."
Given that some scammers have actually been arrested because of the actions of the members of the 419eater site, I'm guessing they also have resources which you will never be aware of.
"5. If they are playing along with your game, it is ONLY because they are hoping to scam you."
Obviously they are hoping to scam someone. For them it's not a game. They think it's real. That is why they are "playing along" as you put it.
"6. If you make a mistake in your little game, they will screw you over royally."
From actually reading the site, it seems they have a lot of instructions on how to stay anonymous for their members. Unless one of these scammers is going to subpoena some ISP to send your personal info to someone in Nigeria.
"7. If you, as an amateur, want to play serious games with professional criminals, then you are a fool. And make sure your life insurance is paid up. They are NOT playing games, and you are an idiot if you think they are."
If you, as a slashdot poster, want to make serious posts about a site that has been linked to without bothering to read it, then you are a fool.
That != "anyone who asks." I would argue that the RIAA does not meet this qualification.
Exactly.
Though something bothers me about reading this in their TOS, (though I imagine it's fairly standard practice) this means your info could be passed along to other admins of other service providers. This could be anyone who owns a switch you went through while you were "sharing files" or doing whatever else you were doing, right? Your information is then at the mercy of their policies.
Could the RIAA (or anyone else) then pressure these companies as a pretext to obtain user info through this admin clause?
Thank you for linking directly to their feedback page. I'd mod you up if I had points.
They've been doing a whole bunch of shady things with their programming in different areas of the SF bay area as it is, which I needed to complain about.
Their internet service drives me nuts.
Their tech support doesn't know how to fix their own friggin dhcp servers. I've had to spoof a different mac address on my router more than once to get on a friggin subnet which they actually routed. (And no tech support guys seem to figure this out even though I call them and tell them how to fix it. What a way to run a business.)
Yes, like the keyboards in the GI Joe cartoons from the 80s with the large anonymous unmarked square keys. Thoe lit up when pressed sometimes. (How *did* they know what to press? Some top-secret typing class perhaps?)
Yes, permits for speech are logically already in place for all practical purposes. I keep seeing on the news these "protest marches" for some cause or another. But basically, it seems to me like you clear your cause with the city, tell them the route you will be marching, don't interrupt traffic, etc. etc.
"Thank you benevolent leaders, for placating our cause."
What the fuck is the point any more?
And to address your COPS issue, I actually watch the show regularly. It is disturbing. Also funny at times, depending on how optimistic yoru sense of humor is.
I have this dream, which will never happen, of accessing all of their footage, all the stuff they cut and don't want you to see. Hell, the stuff they allow on there half of the time shows blatent disregard for either the spirit of the law, or simply the law itself.
But you can't pick fights with the cops. They will almost always win. Odds are stacked against you.
I have a friend who wants to be a cop. She knows a bunch of them. She's going through the training. Every time I get pissed about something and insist on contacting internal affairs and the local papers about something and make a big fuss, she always talks me out of it. She always says "Why do you want to pick a fight with the cops?" "Becuase they did something wrong." I could say. But she doesn't mean "why" do I want to do this. She means, what do I expect to gain from this. Or more accurately, what do I expect will happen. Oh well.
I live in California and it pretty much seems like you can't go anywhere without your papers. (So whether it's a law or not, I think for a lot of people it's accepted as being a requirement.)
This might be encouraged by television shows like "Cops" where in a lot of instances, when the officers on this show stop people and they do not have ID, the officer almost invariable retorts "You gotta have ID".
I wonder if police are allowed to lie like this (the way they are allowed to lie about a lot of other things when confronting suspects.)
I also wonder if this is a state law which is common in a large set of states, but not all. (Perhaps what is causing a lot of the confusion.)
I've found CometWay to be quite useful. (Or does this fall under some sort of meta search?)
I really only use google, but I've been able to find things here that I haven't on google, because of their categories. (Like wacky shell invocations people use as their sigs and what the hell they do.)
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I know little about chemistry and I would like some clarification by someone who might know.
It seems to me like people are jumping to conclusions here. Isn't it possible that some other source, source C, was where these meteorites originated and then later collided with both earth and Mars?
The only thing which seems to not support this is from the article: "Micro-bubbles of gas trapped in dozens of meteorites found on Earth -- including Shergotty -- match the recipe of Martian atmosphere so closely that they must have originated on Mars."
But couldn't there be some other place (source C in my example above) which also has an atmosphere with such a "recipe".
Or are these atmospheric "recipes" that unique? (And if so, how was that determined?)
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I happen to read the site often. I'm guessing you're just being a troll and I shouldn't really play but I will.
"I have looked at the site, though not recently. It's a great recruiting tool for suckers."
Can you please explain how exactly it is a tool for recruiting suckers?
"I actually wonder if it is maintained by front men for the 419 scammers themeselves."
Again if you read the site, you might find that the owner and some mods/admins have been featured in television news media in both the US and the UK. They are not 419 scammers. Your tin foil hat needs some calibration.
"However, you make my point for me. As you note, the site has lots of precautions you are supposed to take. How did they collect those precautions? By screwing up--though not too seriously, since they got to add the precautions."
How does this make your point? Do you suspect that some members of their site were hunted down and killed? Then it was never mentioned on the site and instead they put up guidelines about not giving out your real name or address? You don't honestly think the people on that site really give out their real names and addresses to scammers do you?
"The fundamental problem is that it is not a game, and the higher level scammers are going to start by looking at such lists of "precautions" as the next step in the scam. They are not playing by rules. They are looking for ways to con people, and teasing "brave" fools is a great scam. Many of the best scams involve putting the suckers into positions where they don't want to complain to the police afterwards."
You are starting to ramble a bit here. Were you scammed in the past maybe?
"Yes, it's nice to know that some of the scammers do get nailed, though the morons on that Web site give themselves way too much credit. However, that's exactly what the patsies are for. Going behind the patsies to get the higher ups is much more difficult."
That is also a bit of rambling. You seem like an intelligent person, but I think you might be missing some information. That site seems to have police contacts in some areas of Africa. They investigate gangs of scammers, seize property obtained by scamming, and make arrests which lead to convictions and prison time.
I just don't really see what your issue is with this type of website. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about a site like pervertedjustice.com ? They do something very similar in, some respects, to what those at the 419eater.com site do.
Did you bother to read any of the website?
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"1. They are NOT stupid. (Though they use some stupid front men to hold the bags and take the raps. If the bag man is smart enough to work the scams, he moves up and you don't see him any more.)"
From what I've seen on 419eater.com some of them are very stupid.
"2. It is obvious to them if you are trying to bait them or play games."
It looks like from actually reading that site that some of these criminals have been arrested using law enforcement contacts involved with members of the site. Apparently it's not obvious to them that they are being messed with, otherwise they would not play along to the point where a law enforcement officer in Africa arrests them.
"3. They have lots of experience."
It appears the members of the 419eater site also have a lot of experience.
"4. They also have lots of resources, including things you will never be aware of until too late."
Given that some scammers have actually been arrested because of the actions of the members of the 419eater site, I'm guessing they also have resources which you will never be aware of.
"5. If they are playing along with your game, it is ONLY because they are hoping to scam you."
Obviously they are hoping to scam someone. For them it's not a game. They think it's real. That is why they are "playing along" as you put it.
"6. If you make a mistake in your little game, they will screw you over royally
From actually reading the site, it seems they have a lot of instructions on how to stay anonymous for their members. Unless one of these scammers is going to subpoena some ISP to send your personal info to someone in Nigeria.
"7. If you, as an amateur, want to play serious games with professional criminals, then you are a fool. And make sure your life insurance is paid up. They are NOT playing games, and you are an idiot if you think they are."
If you, as a slashdot poster, want to make serious posts about a site that has been linked to without bothering to read it, then you are a fool.
What is the major reason for people still sticking with VHS?
Perhaps it's a conspiracy propagated by the all powerful automatic tape rewinder industry.
That != "anyone who asks." I would argue that the RIAA does not meet this qualification.
Exactly.
Though something bothers me about reading this in their TOS, (though I imagine it's fairly standard practice) this means your info could be passed along to other admins of other service providers. This could be anyone who owns a switch you went through while you were "sharing files" or doing whatever else you were doing, right? Your information is then at the mercy of their policies.
Could the RIAA (or anyone else) then pressure these companies as a pretext to obtain user info through this admin clause?
"privacy laws applicable to her state."
Out of curiosity, is any acceptance of a TOS or Usage/License Agreement able to override or waive any privacy rights granted to you by law?
That must be some fancy fine print.
Thank you for linking directly to their feedback page. I'd mod you up if I had points.
They've been doing a whole bunch of shady things with their programming in different areas of the SF bay area as it is, which I needed to complain about.
Their internet service drives me nuts.
Their tech support doesn't know how to fix their own friggin dhcp servers. I've had to spoof a different mac address on my router more than once to get on a friggin subnet which they actually routed. (And no tech support guys seem to figure this out even though I call them and tell them how to fix it. What a way to run a business.)
Yes, like the keyboards in the GI Joe cartoons from the 80s with the large anonymous unmarked square keys. Thoe lit up when pressed sometimes. (How *did* they know what to press? Some top-secret typing class perhaps?)
The "1" "2" "3" and "4" keys were not illuminated at the time this was written, due to a "malfunction".
If my tax dollars (or the tax dollars of any of the East LA mendicants mentioned by another poster) go to buying people with TiVos new equipment...
By "add" you mean "ad" right?
Here's the Walmart ad
Here's a line from the ad:
Based on Linux operating system
Sun is already doing this... Check walmart.com and search for Java Desktop System.
This book?
I might have another link if that one doesn't work for you.
But where does Barbie fit in?
Umm... yeah.
Hope your auction goes well. Thanks for the ad.
"Three people of this size or larger must be able to enter..."
This sounds pretty ambiguous to me. So how much larger?
Is this the 10 million dollar loophole?
"It'd be interesting if XCor beat Scaled Composites with the first sub-orbital flight but couldn't claim the $10 million prize."
Ironic, perhaps? But they publicly claim they aren't competing in this...
Maybe I missed something.
Yes, permits for speech are logically already in place for all practical purposes. I keep seeing on the news these "protest marches" for some cause or another. But basically, it seems to me like you clear your cause with the city, tell them the route you will be marching, don't interrupt traffic, etc. etc.
"Thank you benevolent leaders, for placating our cause."
What the fuck is the point any more?
And to address your COPS issue, I actually watch the show regularly. It is disturbing. Also funny at times, depending on how optimistic yoru sense of humor is.
I have this dream, which will never happen, of accessing all of their footage, all the stuff they cut and don't want you to see. Hell, the stuff they allow on there half of the time shows blatent disregard for either the spirit of the law, or simply the law itself.
But you can't pick fights with the cops. They will almost always win. Odds are stacked against you.
I have a friend who wants to be a cop. She knows a bunch of them. She's going through the training. Every time I get pissed about something and insist on contacting internal affairs and the local papers about something and make a big fuss, she always talks me out of it. She always says "Why do you want to pick a fight with the cops?" "Becuase they did something wrong." I could say. But she doesn't mean "why" do I want to do this. She means, what do I expect to gain from this. Or more accurately, what do I expect will happen. Oh well.
I live in California and it pretty much seems like you can't go anywhere without your papers. (So whether it's a law or not, I think for a lot of people it's accepted as being a requirement.)
This might be encouraged by television shows like "Cops" where in a lot of instances, when the officers on this show stop people and they do not have ID, the officer almost invariable retorts "You gotta have ID".
I wonder if police are allowed to lie like this (the way they are allowed to lie about a lot of other things when confronting suspects.)
I also wonder if this is a state law which is common in a large set of states, but not all. (Perhaps what is causing a lot of the confusion.)
"opens the front door for them"
As long as it doesn't open Windows we're okay.
Doesn't the climate make it difficult for them?
Poorer countries such as the United States could go to WalMart and buy a system running the JDS. Is that linux cheap enough for you?
I've found CometWay to be quite useful. (Or does this fall under some sort of meta search?)
I really only use google, but I've been able to find things here that I haven't on google, because of their categories. (Like wacky shell invocations people use as their sigs and what the hell they do.)
They ran these ads in the United States too. I tried it and was pretty unimpressed.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I know little about chemistry and I would like some clarification by someone who might know.
It seems to me like people are jumping to conclusions here. Isn't it possible that some other source, source C, was where these meteorites originated and then later collided with both earth and Mars?
The only thing which seems to not support this is
from the article:
"Micro-bubbles of gas trapped in dozens of meteorites found on Earth -- including Shergotty -- match the recipe of Martian atmosphere so closely that they must have originated on Mars."
But couldn't there be some other place (source C in my example above) which also has an atmosphere with such a "recipe".
Or are these atmospheric "recipes" that unique? (And if so, how was that determined?)
What hardware do all of these applications you mention run on? Could I go out and buy the cheapest one available and run them on that one?