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Build Your Own Imperial Star Destroyer
tashanna writes "I got an e-mail from my brother with a link to this. Someone has built an Imperial Star Destroyer model from the original Star Wars movie that's appropriately-sized for the 4" action figures. The guy made it with an armory, bridge, cell bay, computer room, engineering (split over 2 levels), Darth Vader's chamber, conference room, troop rest room, medical bay and it measures 2 meters, by 1.5 meters, by 1 meter and is for sale on Ebay. There are interior photos on the eBay site. Ummm... WOW!"
That's not Imperial, that's butter!
I know this post is kinda relevant and I am even glad to see it here but has anyone noticed that this is also just using /. to advertise the ebay auction to the target audience?
/. :)
Then again, well done for getting free ads on
Well the auction was stopped early. Wonder why?
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If the point was not for the person who made it to enjoy it and keep it around, then what was the point? I know that if I spent that many hours on it *for fun* then I wouldn't be selling it on no ebay.
I donno, maybe the guy has bills to pay, maybe he didn't want it kicking aroundm, taking up space. But when these things are sold on ebay in the same article, it kind of kills the whole "coolness" mood for me. Its like they are pimping the auction to jack up the price. Anyone else feel the same?
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1)Waste hours of life building scale star-destroyer model. /. with link to auction
2)Post star-destroyer for sale on ebay.
3)Post story on
4)PROFIT!!!!
Now before you mod me flamebait, realize this is a joke, and dammit I want one of these, but am both too poor and too lazy to ever have one.
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It really must have taken a lot of work to build it; he built this out of love I'm sure.
Too bad he didn't realize that the world is bigger than Swindon, Wiltshire UK, and fails to be willing to ship it. After 125,000 page views on this auction mostly from nowhere near him he just terribly screwed himself.
What a waste of free exposure!
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The thing just looks like a big balsa wood model, and it isn't very detailed. I am a model maker, and I feel the creator could have chunked a lot of plastic ship models for nurnies and greebles.. He also, could have chunked old star wars toys for control panels etc. It really just looks like a large DIY project, and not a playable toy. I was a kid not too long ago, and I wouldn't really wanna play with some big balsa wood, grey-pained thing. It also looks like it would also break too easily.
I mean I wouldn't crit, but when you put it out here, it's open season; not to mention this shouldn't have been on here anyway; it's like an advertisement.
I don't have a problem with it being an "ad" if you can really call it one. But it has nothing to do with building your own. There's no instructions. It's just that some dude built one. That's what the topic should have been: "Some dudbe built a Star Destroyer".
Who cares if it's an ad? It's still really cool to look at the pictures, regardless if it's for sale or not. Window shopping is cool.
Pissing off Kuat Drive Yards by copying their patended ship design seems like a real bad idea.
He should have waited until we have atleast one orbital defense platform up.
All I gotta do is come up with some sort of geeky spin on a complete set of Mama's Family videotapes and I'll finally get these goddamned things off my hands.
Its not complete though. my estimation to allow for 4" figures would put the scale at about 1:25, in its entirety, it would be about 64 meters long. Maybe a bit smaller. Try building that :)
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Nope, this is not a scale sized model. It's the equivalent of the Millenium Falcon: lots of play areas, you can do nifty things, but you can't hold a dozen squadrons of TIE fighters in it.
Still, much better than the POS 'Star Destroyer' that Kenner sold.
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Mod me down, troll, offtopic, but is this really the right forum to be discussing this? There are no plans on how you can be "building your own star destroyer". They is no page on how he made it. When /. covers these sort of things there is usually lots of coverage. Plans, how-tos, "where to buy parts". This? Nope, just the ebay auction page.
Maybe it isn't disturbing enough, but I think this really belongs here. A forum to comment and post funny and disturbing ebay auctions.
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Yes! Now us (boys) men can take our (dolls) collectable figurines and (play) display them in a scale size (doll-house) terrarium!
It's very well done, but...
The maker apparently doesn't know much about Star Wars. He calls it a "scale" replica...considering a Star Destroyer is supposed to be 1.6 kilometers long, those little model people are what, 500 feet tall?
And the bridge section shouldn't be near as fat.
He even says that a Star Destroyer boasts "8 laser batteries" when it's a well known fact that it has 60 turbolaser cannons...not 8. If it had 8 laser cannons, two X-wings would outgun it, lol.
"nurnies and greebles.."?
That's geek speak for breakies, and snappies, right?
This isn't a model. This is a kid's dollhouse.
I read the summery and was like, "What is a Star Wars"?!?! Then I was relieved to see you had a link so I could easily find out more about those Star Wars.
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When this came up on the Delorean time machine article. But did anyone mod me +4 informative? Noooooo..... stupid mods....
That's right. All your base.
On my 25th birthday I got a Death Star replica from my friends. It was built from an inflatable bathball and a large plastic bag. Unfortunetaly it was destroyed by some rebels armed with alcohol a couple of months later. Anyway, while it was still intact I used it to threaten my roommates when they "forgot" to do their dishes.
That's not weird. Now, an Erdös number of 5 for US$354, that's weird. I'd bid, but my Erdös number is already 5.
rarely does slashdot link to a page with alot of BW/ power AND a counter. heh you can refresh to see the slashdot effect in realtime.
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It would make a good garbage scow.
I am a 3D modeler/TD by trade, heh I guess that lingo isn't common geek speak, here is an article on 'greebling', or 'adding nurnies and greebles' to an object. It's basically the art of making up hi-tech looking crap. The original star destroyers were greebled with plastic navy ship parts and other crap. Interestingly enough, i think they were somewhere around the size of this guys toy; i may be wrong...
I mean, like, wow. That's an impressive bit of model building, fer shur.
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I'm sorry, but the anal retentive streak in me just wouldn't let this go. In order for a Star Destroyer to be built to the same scale as 4" action figures it would need to be over 75 meters long! Now *that* would be a freakin' lego project!
I'm pretty sure that the auction of a Death Star replica on Ebay matters to a number of people, many of whom are also possibly Nerds, but doesn't this kinda undermine the credibility of /. in some way?
/. allowing itself to become another sales and marketing tool on the net?
I mean, is
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Try it! It works in almost any permutation!
1. Build lame eBay clone that's buggy, insecure and has no user-base
2. eBay
3. Profit!
Hmmm, seems like "almost" isn't working for my dotcom-path-to-richness masterplan.
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Okay, fine, I'll be editor for the day. (5 seconds of googling later...) Make your own Star Destroyer.
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
The IMPERIAL Star Destroyer is only 1.6km long!
... it would need to be over 75 meters long!
That's exactly what I was thinking. To scale with the standard action figures would mean it'd be larger than you could possibly ship (pun intended) and the five-year-old would probably be able to fit *inside* one of the circular engines on the back. Now, the rooms inside based on the photos look almost to scale, but there should be like umpteen thousand rooms inside one SSD. Compare to the regular sized tie fighters that the figures fit in. You might be able to house ten fighters in that whole model..
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I'm a fan of the sleek ship designs that keep their junk on the inside where it belongs. Of course, it's harder to judge scale when you can't see the irregular pieces of purposely discolored sheetmetal put into place by human hands (ugh)... but it makes more sense that way.
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Maybe you should get a bit more anal about reading the article.
> Although not entirely screen accurate (it would have been the length of my street for that) the distinctive shape is unmistakable.
For this star destroyer (I DEVASTATOR) to be "appropriately sized" it would be allmost a city block, maybe 2.
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If you read the auction, he's also offering 40 hours of skilled labor for $354. Now that's rather cheap, if you ask me.
Step 1) Get Yourself and 25,000 metric tons of steel into space.
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Step 3) ??????
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Oh man I can just imagine Lucas calling his lawyers up and ready to sue!
if you click on this link you will find one that has a computer inside it.!
Hmmm... Build destroyer. Post webpage. Get slashdotted. Get bandwidth bill. Faint.
OR
Build destroyer. Place on eBay. Get slashdotted/Cancel auction. Smirk.
if the future must be ships like princess amidalas naboo fighter then please shoot me now. i like the detailed and dirty ships.
Get a life..
They'd certainly add drag during re-entry.
You and your replies seem to be missing the point that it is not a model; it is a playset designed for small children like the one in the photograph. He also says that it is quite sturdy, and designed to not have small piece come off during use.
It is a labor of love that a caring father created for his children, not to impress the denizens of slashdot. I strongly doubt he had anything to do with this getting posted on the front page, and seeing as how he isn't willing to ship it he doesn't benefit much from it.
I think for an object made largely from wood and decals it looks quite good, and most eight year olds would be thrilled with it, not to mention the envy of their friends. Just because it isn't covered in molded plastic doesn't make it less impressive.
For someone who still plays with toys, you are rather crtical of how someone else spends their time. Don't take that the wrong way; I paint and convert tabletop figures all the time; I just don't project arbitrary standards inappropriately over the internet.
The only reason for aerodynamics is of course, for air to flow cleanly over the surface. In Vacuum, no flowing of air.
So if you have some sort of hypothetical shielding, it really would not matter too much if you had the eiffel tower sticking out of the top of your space ship. As long as it is braced well enough to handle all the g-force of acceleration and turning.
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Ummm... doesn't work for me. But nethertheless, I for one welcome our new ebay overlords.
I'll be impressed if anyone manages a flying model start destoyer. I mean, it doesn't have to hover or anything, just fly like any other model plane.
I was always wondering - how is an organisation going to build something as big as a star destroyer or even death star?
Even if you have massive amounts of slave labour and hordes of droids you still have to get all the material together. And the droids need energy and the slaves need to be fed (sometimes).
And all the management, for which you need highly trained Sith supervisors and engineers!
Spacecraft will probbaly always tend towards the "junk box" style because it's cheap and easy to engineer. ;)
When they start making spacecraft for consumers, then there will probably be more sleeker looking spacecraft. And they won't all be silver or grey either!
Whats worse - buying this, or not buying it because its techically the wrong size?
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> and designed to not have small piece come
> off during use.
and LARGE pieces?
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An Enterprise case would would produce faster benchmarks...
... can it fly?
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Wouldn't that phrase be more appropriate if the article were titled, "Build Your Own Death Star?"
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Dude - I watched the first 2 minutes of that. It isn't good. I don't have a clue what it's about besides two dude dressed like ewoks chatting about what-the-hell. I can't even understand the guy on the right.
A Star Destroyer made for 4" action figures? How bout one made for 4' actual people. I won't be interested in buying one until I can sit my own hyperbolic chamber and mentally kill people.
At least the picture does't show the builder in a spandex body suit.
Wow, what a babe magnet. I can just picture the women asking this guy if they can come over and see his Imperial Star Destroyer.....
um....yeah....
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I don't know if you are serious or not about the music, but if you are, you are going to have to pay some serious royalty fees.
"Ah, but I come from the other side, I like to see my Sci-Fi ships in no way aerodynamic...unless of course they are used in atmosphere."
On the other hand, a triangle is a very structurally sound shape. And weightless doesn't mean zero inertia. It seems to me that wedges make a lot of sense for super massive space vehicles that have high magnitude forces unevenly applied.
Then again I really don't know much about physics, so that could be way off base.
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I don't have the link, but somebody did have a Rebel Blockade runner on ebay that was built to scale (for the 4" figs) and it had to pulled around on a 35' tractor trailer - an Imperial Cruiser is over 10X larger than a Blockade Runner (150 meters long vs 1600 meters long) so this isn't even close.
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The first Star Destroyer model (Devastator) was about three feet in length. The second one (Avenger) built for "Empire" was about eight feet and *much* more detailed, and the Super Star Destroyer (Executor) for the same movie was about ten feet. Some really good photos of the Avenger studio model are available here, and show the sheer amount of effort that ILM put into building these behemoths. Of course, there are lots of other photos of all the studio models available elsewhere online.
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>wedges make a lot of sense for super massive space vehicles
Mmm...Space Wedgies.
It's about time we get a link posted here that you can visit without being the first 5 people to see the post.
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Now that would be awesome!
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If you want a *REALLY* funny example of greebling, check out starcrash. They stuck everything on their ships, from hair brushes to spray paint cans.
Not to say its not cool (see not cool) or anything, but it's just a little out of scale. I mean the little figures are as tall as the engines. Plus its made of plywood.
He's selling this for GBP 250! What is his major malfunction!
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I've made a starwars AND Planet of the Apes fan film all rolled into one for 0$ as long as you don't include the sixty of Canadian Club we drank while it was in production...
I don't have a link because with a $0 budget we coudn't afford to host it anywhere... you could try some P2P networks though. Search for "Enter The Ape"
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Ok, I took the bait and googled, and when I found out what they were for some reason I laughed my ass off. Maybe it's the silly name, maybe it's the recognition that yes, these things are necessary, but it totally ticked my funny bone. Thank you!
OMIGOD this model is not to scale I don't think anybody knew that so I will post it now DON'T BUY NOT TO SCALE it would have to be six miles long and made of solid gold to be worth anything NOT TO SCALE it's not long enough omigod!
The reason for the wedge-shape of the Star Destroyer was to allow every gon on the ship (almost) to fire on one spot.
Imperial-I class Star Destroyer built at the Kuat Drive Yards, this heavy-duty Imperial capital ship is the version used in the Emperor Palpatine's Navy. The wedge-shaped Imperial-I class Star Destroyer measured 1,600 meters in length, and was manned by 36,810 crewers and 275 gunners. It could also transport up to 1,200 troops. Jedi Search quotes the Imperial-I class is manned by 37,000 crewers and can carry 9,700 troops. Its top sublight speed is 60 MGLT, and its hull has been rated at 150 RU. Despite its formidable appearance, Talon Karrde once stated that the Imperial-class had 174,000 design flaws waiting to be exploited. It boasts the following shipboard systems: * 2 Om-Thaim Broadcast Banner Shield Generator (the round towers on top) rted at 300 SBD * 60 Borstel NK-7 Ion Cannon Batteries * 10 Phylon-Q7 Tractor Beam Projectors * a Seinar Fleet Systems I-a2b Solar Ionization Reactor and Stardrive * 60 Taim and Bak XX9 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries * LeGrange Targetting Computers * Seinar Fleet Systems S-s3a Long Range Tachyon Detection Scanner * Planetary Assault Units o 12 Landing Barges o 20 AT-Ats o 30 AT-STs * 6 Fighter Bays o 3 TIE Fighter Squadrons o 2 TIE Interceptor Squadrons o 1 TIE Bomber Squadron * 28 Landing Bays o 5 Assault Gunboats o 8 Lambda-class Shuttles o 15 Stormtrooper Transports
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Now I don't know about you but that seams like a helluva lot to fit into 2-3 meters... at scale... out of wood... but that's just my opinion.
Is this where you sit and plot complex equations for the Empire? Oooohhh...Eeeeevil.
There are huge exhaust ports for what looks like three main engines and four auxiliary/steering engines, but they're all just stuck on the stern bulkhead. Where are the actual engines? Wouldn't you expect at least the mains to run about half the length of the ship?
In mid-auction, Paul Allen or Bill Gates or some such divinely wealthy techie contacted him with an offer beyond his wildest expectations and certainly beyond the 250GBP highest bid (say $75K). Thus, he made an agreement with his new patron to withdraw the auction and avoid a silly and public price-raising war loaded with fake bids. Now, said techie is giddily planning his trip by private jet to pick up the toy of a lifetime, while simultaneously calling architect/contractors to add a room onto his estate worthy of this thing (maybe next to the DaVinci notebook? =) Meanwhile, some assistant of the rich guy is buying up old Tie Fighters and action figures left and right so that he and his kids can spend hours giddily re-enacting the movies.
Can't believe that a rich guy would do this? Re-watch The Toy. ;-)
I, for one, just want to see those 100 progress pictures--I mean show me the Millenium Falcon on the landing ramp. If you're out there Mr. Rich Guy who bought this, please anonymously post the pictures for us to salivate over in envy!
(Note to owner: I would trade you a decent collection of c. 1970 ships just for the chance to see this thing).
It's not a *bad* likeness, but Lego has
done a much better job.
It's not cheap (Lego never is), but it's such a
great set of parts I'm considering getting
a second one.
Also, the set's been out for a while, so it's
due for retirement. Get it soon.
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that the model is not in scale with 4 inch toys. It is in scale (of some undisclosed ratio) with the on-screen version as far as external construction goes. The inside has been redesigned to be appropriate for use with the 4 inch toys, but a look at the picture will show how out of scale it is. Clearly an ISD has more than six or seven rooms.
As he says, a toy that was properly in scale to 4 inch toys would be the length of his street. Really, what the guy has done is the perfect compromise between accuracy to the movie and functionality as a toy. i applaud him.
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I was just looking at this thinking....there weren't a handful of rooms on these suckers, they were HUGE! They had huge launchbays that could hold shuttles and squads of tie fighters.
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That seems like a pretty good reason for a wedge-shaped ship to me.
Well, yeah, I would if I was making a damn dime off of it myself. They could sue me and get the $1.50 I have in my bank account I suppose.
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For what it's worth, I have actually seen Clerks numerous times, so I understood what that scene is about.
Here's a tip:
In Clerks, the same scene happens, but instead of discussing the movie Mallrats, they're discussing Star Wars, specifically the destruction of the second, not-yet-supposed-to-be-operational (big clue on that one) Death Star.
(The thing one of the clerks has been wondering about is of course that if it's being constructed you would have all these innocent construction workers getting killed when the Rebels blow it up)
In this scene, two guys from the Star Wars universe discuss Clerks and Mallrats.
I for one thought that was hilarious, so will check out more of this movie.
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I would like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your kind words regarding my Star Destroyer. A subscriber was kind enough to send me the link to this site, which I had no idea existed never mind was discussing my ship. It did indeed take 3 years to build but only with a week here and a few days there. When I started I had no idea what I was going and no prior woodwork skills. I simply wanted to make the ship I yearned for when I was a child and looked at it how I believe a child would. As some of you have noticed I have ended the listing and have sold the ship privately. It has gone to a good home and I can rest assured it will be played with as a toy is meant to be. I would certainly not say a profit was made, apart from the many hours of labour, wood is not cheap to buy. I also gave the buyer many figures and ships to man the vessel with. During the last week or two I have been inundated with emails from Star Wars fans telling me of their admiration for the creation, I am just astounded. I did not expect in a millennia anything like the response I have received. I am not a carpenter or artist by trade, but a simple soldier in the British Army. I am posted very shortly to Germany and really do need to cut down some of my Star Wars possessions. My response to the critics is I have made something that has put a smile on a child's face - what have you done? For the rest of you, hang around another year or three because your inspiration has me planning my next project - A 4 inch scale Deathstar! That is scale so the figures fit in it, not 80 miles in diameter. DarthScooby1001
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The greater the sweep of a wing, the less compressible drag it creates.
A high level of sweep is used in fighters and high speed aircraft because of this - however, it makes the plane somewhat unstable at low speeds thus making take off and landing difficult (you must do both at higher speeds).
A delta wing is essentially a big triangle - like very swept back wings, so it performs very similarly to swept wings.
Great for high speed flight, but very poor at lower speeds - a model aircraft would suffer since the speeds necessary to develop lift would be higher than a normal model plane.
During preproduction for Star Wars, the original ship designs were sleek and shiny. Unfortunately, at the scale they were built, they had a tendancy to reflect the camera and crew back into the image. Thus the discolored sheetmetal with doodads tacked on. Only with the advent of computer rendering do you begin to see polished surfaces on spacecraft more often...
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I couldn't agree more. Not only that I thought the style he did it in matched the simplified style of many of the toys very well. Sure you've got your highly detailed toys that make sounds and junks like that but I remember how oddly proportioned my first X-Wing fighter toy was (back in the late 70's when those toys first appeared) and this matches it very nicely IMO.
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I admit, this is really cool stuff. But, am I the only one thinking this guy has spent way too much time playing with dolls?
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A star destroyer for ants?
For people to fit inside it needs to be at least... 3 times as big.
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To put it in classic Slashdot form: /. with link to auction
...!
1)Waste hours of life building scale star-destroyer model.
2)Post star-destroyer for sale on ebay.
3)Post story on
4)PROFIT!!!!
You forgot the
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I was a kid not too long ago, and I wouldn't really wanna play with some big balsa wood, grey-pained thing.
Why, in my day, we would've killed to get ahold of big, balsa wood, grey-painted things!
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No they don't. not at low speed. Compare a b47 with a vulcan or croncord.
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nice doll house. :-)
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