Hemos, the entire point of an investigation like this is to uncover if such counter-claims actually exist. If they are being stifled, then you probably wouldn't know about them. Why? Because they're being stifled.
I only really have one claim. I'll try to summarize and make it as clear as possible.
In the US, when we first heard of the depleted ozone and climate change and greenhouse gass, it turned out that most of the data was fabricated. Basically, we were lied to. It was at that point that we were told by the feds that we were running out of space for landfills and that our current land fills would be full by 1995. We were lied to. Then we received a bunch of charts and graph from the environmentalists during the Bush 1 administration. We looked at the archival data. It didn't match the graphs. We were lied to. The, the Clinton administration pulled the same thing as the environmentalists. They showed us graphs that were incomplete and a computer model that didn't work nor match reality. We were lied to. Then Al Gore forced us to buy low flow toilettes to save fresh water, but opened a Damn so he could take a canoe trip. The man's credibility immediately went down the crapper (in a high-flow kinda way)
Since then, some decent "science" has come out. Most of us don't trust it after having been lied to for the last 20 years. The same people are pushing the agenda that were pushing it 20 years ago. We simply don't trust them any more. They lied to us, on numerous occasions.
I agree. There are also a number of things that simply don't work over VOIP. Number 1 would be faxing, number 2 would be DCT dialout (tivo-esque devices with a phone connection to dl schedule info). Basically, it comes down to anything that uses a modem won't work over VIOP. I wonder if there are also problems with accessability products for the deaf? Perhaps the owner of one of these devices could comment?
I think you answered your own question. Why would consumers demand better sound recording, when the most popular music wouldn't take advantage of it?
The answer to this is... Because most of them have never heard the difference. As an example, let's fork off a second and talk about guitar amps. I own a Vox AC-30 top boost, a Marshall JMP50, and a Fender Bassman 30. I often have other guitarists over to the rehearsal area for some social playing. Most guitarists come in with a Line6 amp and some PRS POS that sounds like an electric kazoo. I plug my old 75 Les Paul into the JMP and introduce them to the VOICE OF GOD! Now, I'm not a religious man, but there is something truly divine about a decent instrument plugged into a decent amp that makes women wet, guitarists weak knee'd, and men drink beer. When I plug the Telecaster into the Vox, it's the same thing. The people witnessing this phenomenon (which I refer to as "quality") sell their current gear asap and go to places like "Emerald City Guitar" or "Lark Street Guitars" to get a piece of the action.
So, to sum up, people don't buy it because they've never heard it. All we need to do is to introduce them to "quality" at a competitive price, and they'll be hooked.
K, so if I take your 16bit@44.1khz wave file, and down sample it to an 8bit@22.5khz wav file, there's no loss? Of course there is!!! Wav is simply raw digital data and is sampled. In order for a codec to be a "lossless" audio codec, you would have to do away with sample rate, or increase the sample rate to where it's an order of magnitude above a human discernible difference. A little under 200khz with 32 bits of range. 192Khz@24 bits seems to bee the sweet spot at the moment, but requires a bit of precision when it comes to mixing.
I never listen at 100dB, that's ear-damaging, so I could never hear the noise
Re-read. I said NEGATIVE 110db. Meaning you hear the music before the hiss.
BBH
The sheer number of variations in compression technology. The array of audio file formats includes Apple's AAC and Dolby's AC3, as well as WMA, OGG, FLAC, AVI, and others.
AAC is not "Apple's". WMA is a container, not a compression codec. OGG is a container (usually used for Vorbis and FLAC), not a compression codec. FLAC is both a container and lossless compression codec. AVI is a container and not a compression codec. The man complains about audio quality, yet 4 out of 5 things that he discusses have "nothing" to do with audio quality.
For his own use, Mr. Goddard, like Willens, favors WAV, a "lossless" compression format that renders sound accurately but has some drawbacks - notably the tremendous amount of storage space it requires: some 50 to 60 megabytes per song, versus about two for an MP3.
Wav is not a lossless format. It is limited by in it's dynamic range (bits per sample) and sample rate. Compared to analog or a raw sound source, raw wav/pcm data loses a lot of the sound. FLAC and other lossless codecs produce identical byte-to-byte output when compared to wav/pcm.
I believe that this guys priorities are a little messed up. We should be focusing on lowering the noise floor, increasing the dynamic range, increasing the sampling rate, and getting the music industry to stop producing albums that are ultra compressed and "loud". You're not going to get decent fidelity out of an iPod when it is limited to 16 bit output and a 44.1/48khz sampling rate with a -90db noise floor. We need 24/96 players with a -110db noise floor, and a decent set of ear buds. Not that it would matter for consumers that listen to the typical tizz and boom being produced today.
Can someone with a bit more insight explain why one would work better in the above scenario since, presumably, both do the same thing?
To Grossly over simplify, Gnome sacrifices customizability for usability and simplicity. KDE sacrifices simplicity for customizability In environments that demand a certain configuration which doesn't match Gnome's ideal usage case, KDE is often a better fit.
They're both great desktop managers, and each has strengths in certain areas. And yes, I know "customizability" isn't a real word.
So at least make it available for all distro's, and let the user choose,
And most do, through tarballs, anon cvs, and other methods (binary elf, lib, and a glibc dependency). Unsupported distros are then "free" to mangle it (like Deb does with wine).
Simple: Any. There isn't a reason why it shouldn't work on all distro's
Support != work
The gentleman is asking which OS's his company should develope, QA and release for. No matter if it's a paid or free support offering, it would be logical for them to pick the distros that represent the majority of the marketshare for embedded device development. It probably mirrors the most popular distros out there (i think Fed/RH, Deb/Ub, and Suse). This way they maximize their coverage and income and minimize the support costs (especially dev and QA).
I only responded cause, in a way, he was actually dead on! This meta-distro is an absolute abortion. I've personally stuck a coat hanger into my power supply twice to rid me of it's nuisance. Yet, for some reason, I keep coming back? Addiction? Duty? Who knows. All I know is that..... Ohh, New binutils is out!!!! gotta go!!!
The way I understand it, a triangle can store 4 bits (pointing up, down, left, right). Then add colors (ROYGBIVK) to the equation, that's 8 bits. Now the triangle can hold a total of 32 bits (4x8)of info. What if the triangle is hollow/solid? That's now 32x2 =64 bits!. Squares are 2x8x2, circles are 1x8x2, line holds 32 (vert, horiz, slash, bkslash). See where this is going. This isn't something new. I look forward to seeing if they can make it practical.
If you ever have the opportunity to run it again, I believe pre-link will solve/mitigate the slow application startup issue. It took FFox startup from 12 seconds down to three, and OO Writer from a half cup of coffee to a couple swigs (though, on a good day, I could still out-type the cursor with spell/grammar check enabled).
you cumshitting mouth-breather. it is pathetic that you take pride in running Nigger Linux on anything, much less a Mac, much less thinking anyone gives a shit.
That's awesome! I can now skip my daily visit to bash.org! I prefer to refer to Gentoo as a "Shit Vortex of incompatibility and misconfiguration", though it is not masicism that drives me run it, but a sense of duty. I find, report, and fix package bugs before they ever see the light of day in your "Whitey" distros. All I can really say is "You're Welcome".
The idea of inviting developers to jump ship is too... un-Linuxy
In order to be "Linuxy", you have to develop something, do a half-assed job, and then disappear completely (devfs, arts, xmms) leaving other devs to make sense of the mess you left behind. The Suse devs did nothing wrong, their management did. Suse is actually a pretty nice distro, but will likely disappear now due to Novel's carelessness. It's pretty depressing actually. It's kinda like how Novel made WP disappear.
I can confirm that Gentoo runs well on an old 266mhz green G3 new world IMac. The machine had 192MB of ram and I used it to test DR17 (get-e.org) on PPC. The biggest problem was installing the DRM drivers for the ATI Rage chip (Have to pull them from CVS). Aside from that everything seemed to work fine, as long as you disabled kernel pre-empt (this might be fixed in modern kernels).
Why would it use less bandwidth? Why would the network infrastructure be cheaper?
Http pipelining, mod gzip (windows gzip compression doesn't do all file types by default), default keepalive settings are different.
The only "network infrastructure" cost differences that I can think of... Leme think. With linux you can bond almost any two "cheap" nics, but with windows, you need driver support? Naw, I don't think that's it. I guess "fewer servers".
Ultimately, I don't think that they needed "more labor", I just think they needed something like cfengine.
This agreement is at the heart of what IT users demand -- to deploy both Linux and Windows, and to have them work well together
First off, what is an "IT User"? Is it the IT/SA, or is it the end user?
Customers told us that they wanted Linux and Windows to work together in their data centers
Which customers? Why were they "currently" having this interop problem? They seem to work fine for me. Did MS just recently change something that broke CIFS and LDAP?
but Microsoft asked that we cooperate on patents as well
Asked or insisted? Why didn't you have two seperate agreements. One for the non-existing interop problem and coupons no one asked for, and one for the patent deal that MS asked for so they can screw you later.
some parties have spoken about this patent agreement in a damaging way
Yes, those parties are Novell, and Microsoft. I'v actually found everyone else to be quite reasonable.
We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic of Linux and patents
I feel a disturbance in the force, as if a million voices suddenly cried out "WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!"
Our stance on software patents is unchanged by the agreement with Microsoft.
You havn't really told us your stance yet. You have quite a few software patents, so I guess you're fine with them. You sign cold-war agreements with MS, so you seem to be willing to leverage them. So really, what exactly is your stance?
I did the same as you. I saw the front page header and said to myself, "self... why would I read an article by writers at Microsoft about a linux project?".
uh.. EFI & TianoCore ? Since you included a "?", I believe the answer you are looking for is "Turd" , although Linus may have put it best when he called it "the other piece of Intel brain damage".
I don't mean to rain on their parade, but how many of these things are actually going to land in the hands of children? Do they really think prople in Libya and Brazil can afford a $100 laptop, regardless of whether it is for their kids or themselves?
Then it will still be easier licensewise to use mono And patent-wise? I mean for non-Novell customers, obviously.
Regardless of patents and license. Mono won't run the EJBs that my company already developed. So I guess we've limited the conversation to "apps which do not yet exist".
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Hemos, the entire point of an investigation like this is to uncover if such counter-claims actually exist. If they are being stifled, then you probably wouldn't know about them. Why? Because they're being stifled.
I only really have one claim. I'll try to summarize and make it as clear as possible.
In the US, when we first heard of the depleted ozone and climate change and greenhouse gass, it turned out that most of the data was fabricated. Basically, we were lied to. It was at that point that we were told by the feds that we were running out of space for landfills and that our current land fills would be full by 1995. We were lied to. Then we received a bunch of charts and graph from the environmentalists during the Bush 1 administration. We looked at the archival data. It didn't match the graphs. We were lied to. The, the Clinton administration pulled the same thing as the environmentalists. They showed us graphs that were incomplete and a computer model that didn't work nor match reality. We were lied to. Then Al Gore forced us to buy low flow toilettes to save fresh water, but opened a Damn so he could take a canoe trip. The man's credibility immediately went down the crapper (in a high-flow kinda way)
Since then, some decent "science" has come out. Most of us don't trust it after having been lied to for the last 20 years. The same people are pushing the agenda that were pushing it 20 years ago. We simply don't trust them any more. They lied to us, on numerous occasions.
BBH
I agree. There are also a number of things that simply don't work over VOIP. Number 1 would be faxing, number 2 would be DCT dialout (tivo-esque devices with a phone connection to dl schedule info). Basically, it comes down to anything that uses a modem won't work over VIOP. I wonder if there are also problems with accessability products for the deaf? Perhaps the owner of one of these devices could comment?
BBH
I think you answered your own question. Why would consumers demand better sound recording, when the most popular music wouldn't take advantage of it?
The answer to this is... Because most of them have never heard the difference. As an example, let's fork off a second and talk about guitar amps. I own a Vox AC-30 top boost, a Marshall JMP50, and a Fender Bassman 30. I often have other guitarists over to the rehearsal area for some social playing. Most guitarists come in with a Line6 amp and some PRS POS that sounds like an electric kazoo. I plug my old 75 Les Paul into the JMP and introduce them to the VOICE OF GOD! Now, I'm not a religious man, but there is something truly divine about a decent instrument plugged into a decent amp that makes women wet, guitarists weak knee'd, and men drink beer. When I plug the Telecaster into the Vox, it's the same thing. The people witnessing this phenomenon (which I refer to as "quality") sell their current gear asap and go to places like "Emerald City Guitar" or "Lark Street Guitars" to get a piece of the action.
So, to sum up, people don't buy it because they've never heard it. All we need to do is to introduce them to "quality" at a competitive price, and they'll be hooked.
BBH
K, so if I take your 16bit@44.1khz wave file, and down sample it to an 8bit@22.5khz wav file, there's no loss? Of course there is!!! Wav is simply raw digital data and is sampled. In order for a codec to be a "lossless" audio codec, you would have to do away with sample rate, or increase the sample rate to where it's an order of magnitude above a human discernible difference. A little under 200khz with 32 bits of range. 192Khz@24 bits seems to bee the sweet spot at the moment, but requires a bit of precision when it comes to mixing.
I never listen at 100dB, that's ear-damaging, so I could never hear the noise
Re-read. I said NEGATIVE 110db. Meaning you hear the music before the hiss. BBH
From TFA
The sheer number of variations in compression technology. The array of audio file formats includes Apple's AAC and Dolby's AC3, as well as WMA, OGG, FLAC, AVI, and others.
AAC is not "Apple's". WMA is a container, not a compression codec. OGG is a container (usually used for Vorbis and FLAC), not a compression codec. FLAC is both a container and lossless compression codec. AVI is a container and not a compression codec. The man complains about audio quality, yet 4 out of 5 things that he discusses have "nothing" to do with audio quality.
For his own use, Mr. Goddard, like Willens, favors WAV, a "lossless" compression format that renders sound accurately but has some drawbacks - notably the tremendous amount of storage space it requires: some 50 to 60 megabytes per song, versus about two for an MP3.
Wav is not a lossless format. It is limited by in it's dynamic range (bits per sample) and sample rate. Compared to analog or a raw sound source, raw wav/pcm data loses a lot of the sound. FLAC and other lossless codecs produce identical byte-to-byte output when compared to wav/pcm.
I believe that this guys priorities are a little messed up. We should be focusing on lowering the noise floor, increasing the dynamic range, increasing the sampling rate, and getting the music industry to stop producing albums that are ultra compressed and "loud". You're not going to get decent fidelity out of an iPod when it is limited to 16 bit output and a 44.1/48khz sampling rate with a -90db noise floor. We need 24/96 players with a -110db noise floor, and a decent set of ear buds. Not that it would matter for consumers that listen to the typical tizz and boom being produced today.
BBH
Can someone with a bit more insight explain why one would work better in the above scenario since, presumably, both do the same thing?
To Grossly over simplify, Gnome sacrifices customizability for usability and simplicity. KDE sacrifices simplicity for customizability In environments that demand a certain configuration which doesn't match Gnome's ideal usage case, KDE is often a better fit.
They're both great desktop managers, and each has strengths in certain areas. And yes, I know "customizability" isn't a real word.
BBH
So at least make it available for all distro's, and let the user choose,
And most do, through tarballs, anon cvs, and other methods (binary elf, lib, and a glibc dependency). Unsupported distros are then "free" to mangle it (like Deb does with wine).
BBH
Simple: Any. There isn't a reason why it shouldn't work on all distro's
Support != work
The gentleman is asking which OS's his company should develope, QA and release for. No matter if it's a paid or free support offering, it would be logical for them to pick the distros that represent the majority of the marketshare for embedded device development. It probably mirrors the most popular distros out there (i think Fed/RH, Deb/Ub, and Suse). This way they maximize their coverage and income and minimize the support costs (especially dev and QA).
BBH
I only responded cause, in a way, he was actually dead on! This meta-distro is an absolute abortion. I've personally stuck a coat hanger into my power supply twice to rid me of it's nuisance. Yet, for some reason, I keep coming back? Addiction? Duty? Who knows. All I know is that..... Ohh, New binutils is out!!!! gotta go!!!
BBH
Wow, I wonder how much pressure MS exerted to get Novell to pull developers off of this?
We'll never know. Perhaps the answer was in the responses (002085 to 002090) before they wiped them off the server?
BBH
I appoligize, but I do not have time to beta a new game. I am currently Beta-ing Oblivion IV for PC.
BBH
The way I understand it, a triangle can store 4 bits (pointing up, down, left, right). Then add colors (ROYGBIVK) to the equation, that's 8 bits. Now the triangle can hold a total of 32 bits (4x8)of info. What if the triangle is hollow/solid? That's now 32x2 =64 bits!. Squares are 2x8x2, circles are 1x8x2, line holds 32 (vert, horiz, slash, bkslash). See where this is going. This isn't something new. I look forward to seeing if they can make it practical.
BBH
If you ever have the opportunity to run it again, I believe pre-link will solve/mitigate the slow application startup issue. It took FFox startup from 12 seconds down to three, and OO Writer from a half cup of coffee to a couple swigs (though, on a good day, I could still out-type the cursor with spell/grammar check enabled).
BBH
you cumshitting mouth-breather. it is pathetic that you take pride in running Nigger Linux on anything, much less a Mac, much less thinking anyone gives a shit.
That's awesome! I can now skip my daily visit to bash.org! I prefer to refer to Gentoo as a "Shit Vortex of incompatibility and misconfiguration", though it is not masicism that drives me run it, but a sense of duty. I find, report, and fix package bugs before they ever see the light of day in your "Whitey" distros. All I can really say is "You're Welcome".
Thanx For the chuckle,
BBH
The idea of inviting developers to jump ship is too... un-Linuxy
In order to be "Linuxy", you have to develop something, do a half-assed job, and then disappear completely (devfs, arts, xmms) leaving other devs to make sense of the mess you left behind. The Suse devs did nothing wrong, their management did. Suse is actually a pretty nice distro, but will likely disappear now due to Novel's carelessness. It's pretty depressing actually. It's kinda like how Novel made WP disappear.
BBH
I can confirm that Gentoo runs well on an old 266mhz green G3 new world IMac. The machine had 192MB of ram and I used it to test DR17 (get-e.org) on PPC. The biggest problem was installing the DRM drivers for the ATI Rage chip (Have to pull them from CVS). Aside from that everything seemed to work fine, as long as you disabled kernel pre-empt (this might be fixed in modern kernels).
BBH
Why would it use less bandwidth? Why would the network infrastructure be cheaper?
Http pipelining, mod gzip (windows gzip compression doesn't do all file types by default), default keepalive settings are different.
The only "network infrastructure" cost differences that I can think of... Leme think. With linux you can bond almost any two "cheap" nics, but with windows, you need driver support? Naw, I don't think that's it. I guess "fewer servers".
Ultimately, I don't think that they needed "more labor", I just think they needed something like cfengine.
BBH
This agreement is at the heart of what IT users demand -- to deploy both Linux and Windows, and to have them work well together
First off, what is an "IT User"? Is it the IT/SA, or is it the end user?
Customers told us that they wanted Linux and Windows to work together in their data centers
Which customers? Why were they "currently" having this interop problem? They seem to work fine for me. Did MS just recently change something that broke CIFS and LDAP?
but Microsoft asked that we cooperate on patents as well
Asked or insisted? Why didn't you have two seperate agreements. One for the non-existing interop problem and coupons no one asked for, and one for the patent deal that MS asked for so they can screw you later.
some parties have spoken about this patent agreement in a damaging way
Yes, those parties are Novell, and Microsoft. I'v actually found everyone else to be quite reasonable.
We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic of Linux and patents
I feel a disturbance in the force, as if a million voices suddenly cried out "WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!"
Our stance on software patents is unchanged by the agreement with Microsoft.
You havn't really told us your stance yet. You have quite a few software patents, so I guess you're fine with them. You sign cold-war agreements with MS, so you seem to be willing to leverage them. So really, what exactly is your stance?
BBH
Then you are as retarded as the other guy.
Which guy, Devorak (the author) or the poster I replied to? Do I get to pick?
BBH
Hey, You're using an international layout keyboard, aren't you?
zes, how did zou know?
BBH
I did the same as you. I saw the front page header and said to myself, "self... why would I read an article by writers at Microsoft about a linux project?".
BBH
uh.. EFI & TianoCore ?
Since you included a "?", I believe the answer you are looking for is "Turd" , although Linus may have put it best when he called it "the other piece of Intel brain damage".
BBH
I don't mean to rain on their parade, but how many of these things are actually going to land in the hands of children? Do they really think prople in Libya and Brazil can afford a $100 laptop, regardless of whether it is for their kids or themselves?
BBH
Next thing you know, it'll be the International Space Crackhouse.
Since there's an IHOP within 3 blocks of every crackhouse that I know of, this is really a blessing in disguise.
BBH
Then it will still be easier licensewise to use mono
And patent-wise? I mean for non-Novell customers, obviously.
Regardless of patents and license. Mono won't run the EJBs that my company already developed. So I guess we've limited the conversation to "apps which do not yet exist".
BBH