The difference is you are willing to learn. The GP was not. Frame of mind is everything. The guy was frustrated with it "not working out of the box" so to speak and the PP was pointing them to gentoo?!?!
"Or what about Gentoo. Everything will work in Gentoo once you make it happen."
Are you stoned! You are sending a noob who has problems with RPMs to a source based distro where one has to configure everything by hand?!?!?!
I AM proficient in Linux and run Gentoo but would NEVER send a noob to it! If they really wanted Gentoo they should get someone who knows Gentoo to install it for them. That is the only way I would even consider it.
PROOF: cat/proc/version Linux version 2.6.11-gentoo-r11 (root@halo) (gcc version 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7.1)) #1 Sun Jun 26 17:21:49 EDT 2005
"My father accepted it well enough (hell, he even told me it was sometimes nicer than Windows) but for the rest of the family it was a no-no. I was keen to learn but the RPM hunt and the randomness of program functioning is what bought me back to Windows."
Your problem was two-fold. First, you are not proficient enough yourself to resolve problems as they arise. This can be frustrating especially if you are under pressure to "make it work!" from others. What you need to do is get another machine (it doesn't have to be top-of-the-line) solely to experiment on. This machine is called in CompSci circles a "testbed". When testing is done and you are sure everything works (and are confident that it will stay that way) then, and only then, install that program on the computers in use. You will be amazed as the levels of frustration drops with the family off your back.
Second, never, never, never try to force someone to use something they don't want to use. There are other ways to make them want to make the switch. For example, I don't clean up my family's computers after they get them infested with spyware, adware, and virii. I let them do it. I may provide pointers from time to time but that is about it. After a few times they will eventually see that you are not doing that constant fight in Linux and may want to try again. The point is, they have to want to do it not you forcing the issue.
"I can't wait for Longhorn to come out; I have several Windows 2000 machines at work that I want to upgrade to XP, but right now it is too expensive. Hurry up with Longhorn already!"
And you think the price is going to come down with the release of Foghorn...Er...Leghorn....Whatever?
"are there any particular blogs with absolute credibility amongst the mass populace the way perhaps a newspaper would?"
If you can show me a newspaper with credibility let me know...
"The general populace, who would not really have any idea of the provenance of any particular blogger, would just think "ok some people say this is happening, some people say it isn't... I can't tell. what's on TV?""
More to the point, "Where's Seinfeld?" People aren't really interested in news these days...Ask yourself this:
Would you pay to see the news of today at a theater like they did up until the TV became the standard? I didn't think so...
"BUT between a newspaper and some random blog - I think a newspaper still has better credibility. don't forget it wasn't until the newspapers picked up on the blogs that Dan Rather really got in trouble. The blogs weren't enough."
Now I do agree with you there. To put it into perspective, how much do you think SCO's stock would be today without Groklaw?
"And just like any other database, it could have who knows what in it. Some information is very private, and some isn't."
You got that right. I used to do GIS for FEMA and can tell you some of the most private data comes from the Mapping and Analysis Center (MAC). Teleregistration data is one of those data sets. With this ruling now anyone can find out how much you made in the past 7 years, whether you were turned down for an SBA loan, how much assistance you did get and what type, any medical assistance you got, etc...
All that data was protected by the privacy act. Kiss that goodbye!
"The Korean site, unlike U.S. versions, was operated by another company, which Microsoft did not identify."
First, that is marketing speak for "It wasn't us! Blame them!" Second, just how many "unidentified" companies run MSN's webpages? On its face, this is simply absurd. So yes you should "RTFA" but you should also question the logic of it.
"if they run a microsoft server they need to apply the patches no matter how frequent they might be. if they dont like it they should choose different OS. but you cant blame MS if they supply the patches and they choose not to install it."
Let me try this gently to you...
It was a MICROSOFT controlled server! It was under the direct control of Microsoft even if it was a contractor. Considering it was used for Microsoft's OWN pages one would reasonably assume they would be the FIRST to patch.
What this says to people considering IIS is that Microsoft doesn't care about security (no surprise there) even when it comes to their own gear.
Your sensitivity to the downtrodden is overwhelming.
Although it is technically accurate that nobody "forced" them it is NOT accurate that they weren't forced by circumstances.
We should remember your words when you become unemployed, on the verge of homelessness, and hungry. I am willing to bet that you change your tune as you get thousands of these "offers"...
The only difference between these predatory credit card companies and a Mafia loan shark is one is legal.
Credit card companies preying on the financially challenged(TM) is to blame. A moron that has been unemployed for 6 months gets "You are pre-approved" credit card offers out the wazoo. Just what do you think that moron is going to do? Common sense simply dictates you don't give a moron a loaded gun like these offers are. He is likely to shoot himself in the foot.
There is an easier way to do it that IS native to most systems (even Windows). Only allow 3 failed attempts before requiring re-activation (and enforcing change of password). While you are at it you could email the true account on each failed attempt letting the user know someone is playing jiggy-jiggy with their account. It isn't too hard.
The question I got on this goes beyond your lame example. Why was sensitive data in a web accessable area to begin with? Sure, the students shouldn't have done it but they aren't the real guilty party here are they? The real guilty party is the damned administrator. Did they punish the administrator as severely as the student by NOT PAYING HIS DUMB ASS?
"They do not want broadcast TV to be such an adequate substitute for cinema and DVD (or DVD2) viewing, that nobody bothers to do pay for either of the latter systems of movie viewing. They know that there's a sizable portion of people who "wait until it comes on TV" with virtually every movie, and they certainly don't want that to increase. They especially do not want people who'd otherwise buy a DVD waiting for the movie to appear on TV and then recording it at glorious DVD-quality, able, with the technology now in every modern PC, to remove ads."
They made the same complaints when TV first came out, then again when it went color, then when the VCR came out, and now when it goes digital. That still hasn't stopped them from seeing record profits at the box office,DVD sales,or broadcast revenues.
Besides, with the massive media consolidation going on it is still the same 6 companies no matter what the medium is.
"This is particularly true where the nature of an act (like some innovative new form of online fraud, for example) hasn't been really contemplated by the justice system before."
Although fraud is the strongest law in just about every country for this sort of thing it isn't the only international law being broken. For one, there is trademark law. I would think companies would fight for their trademarks more. In every phising case the fraudster uses the trademarks to foster confusion. That is different from the clasical brick & morter fraud scam. It isn't like your brick & morter scammers can hang a shingle out saying, "Chase Manhattan Bank" and be taken seriously.
Again, this is fine for small networks but you would run out of IP numbers quickly on larger ones such as AOL, Earthlink or even MSN. When you get large numbers of users, IP management becomes necessary. Yes, DHCP does configure the rest but its main reason for existance is for IP management.
The problem with this approach is you run out of IP addresses very quickly. The whole idea behind Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is to reuse an IP as it becomes available. The problem isn't with DHCP but with identifying a machine via time/date stamp and manually searching logs. Imagine if you were an admin at say Earthlink and had to identify all the possible zombies out there via log files....
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"From my perspective as an author, artist, and copyright lawyer"..
Heh...LOL
You got him there Blinky...
B.
The difference is you are willing to learn. The GP was not. Frame of mind is everything. The guy was frustrated with it "not working out of the box" so to speak and the PP was pointing them to gentoo?!?!
B
"Or what about Gentoo. Everything will work in Gentoo once you make it happen."
/proc/version
Are you stoned! You are sending a noob who has problems with RPMs to a source based distro where one has to configure everything by hand?!?!?!
I AM proficient in Linux and run Gentoo but would NEVER send a noob to it! If they really wanted Gentoo they should get someone who knows Gentoo to install it for them. That is the only way I would even consider it.
PROOF: cat
Linux version 2.6.11-gentoo-r11 (root@halo) (gcc version 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7.1)) #1 Sun Jun 26 17:21:49 EDT 2005
"My father accepted it well enough (hell, he even told me it was sometimes nicer than Windows) but for the rest of the family it was a no-no. I was keen to learn but the RPM hunt and the randomness of program functioning is what bought me back to Windows."
Your problem was two-fold. First, you are not proficient enough yourself to resolve problems as they arise. This can be frustrating especially if you are under pressure to "make it work!" from others. What you need to do is get another machine (it doesn't have to be top-of-the-line) solely to experiment on. This machine is called in CompSci circles a "testbed". When testing is done and you are sure everything works (and are confident that it will stay that way) then, and only then, install that program on the computers in use. You will be amazed as the levels of frustration drops with the family off your back.
Second, never, never, never try to force someone to use something they don't want to use. There are other ways to make them want to make the switch. For example, I don't clean up my family's computers after they get them infested with spyware, adware, and virii. I let them do it. I may provide pointers from time to time but that is about it. After a few times they will eventually see that you are not doing that constant fight in Linux and may want to try again. The point is, they have to want to do it not you forcing the issue.
B.
"I can't wait for Longhorn to come out; I have several Windows 2000 machines at work that I want to upgrade to XP, but right now it is too expensive. Hurry up with Longhorn already!"
And you think the price is going to come down with the release of Foghorn...Er...Leghorn....Whatever?
Have I got a deal for you then.....
It's a nice bridge in NY!
B.
"are there any particular blogs with absolute credibility amongst the mass populace the way perhaps a newspaper would?"
If you can show me a newspaper with credibility let me know...
"The general populace, who would not really have any idea of the provenance of any particular blogger, would just think "ok some people say this is happening, some people say it isn't... I can't tell. what's on TV?""
More to the point, "Where's Seinfeld?" People aren't really interested in news these days...Ask yourself this:
Would you pay to see the news of today at a theater like they did up until the TV became the standard? I didn't think so...
"BUT between a newspaper and some random blog - I think a newspaper still has better credibility. don't forget it wasn't until the newspapers picked up on the blogs that Dan Rather really got in trouble. The blogs weren't enough."
Now I do agree with you there. To put it into perspective, how much do you think SCO's stock would be today without Groklaw?
B.
"And just like any other database, it could have who knows what in it. Some information is very private, and some isn't."
You got that right. I used to do GIS for FEMA and can tell you some of the most private data comes from the Mapping and Analysis Center (MAC). Teleregistration data is one of those data sets. With this ruling now anyone can find out how much you made in the past 7 years, whether you were turned down for an SBA loan, how much assistance you did get and what type, any medical assistance you got, etc...
All that data was protected by the privacy act. Kiss that goodbye!
B.
Don't forget the loads of tin foil.....Can't let them control his mind after all.
B.
But in a large proportion of the cases why users (not just "admins") don't apply a patch from Microsoft boil down to 4 things:
1.) The patch will break other programs.
2.) The numbe of patches released means a large amount of "down time".
3.) Microsoft using security updates (instead of feature updates) as a platform to see if you are "ligit".
4.) Outright laziness.
3 of the 4 are controlled by Microsoft. The third reason is why things like Code Red are still loose even though it was patched years ago.
B.
"The Korean site, unlike U.S. versions, was operated by another company, which Microsoft did not identify."
First, that is marketing speak for "It wasn't us! Blame them!" Second, just how many "unidentified" companies run MSN's webpages? On its face, this is simply absurd. So yes you should "RTFA" but you should also question the logic of it.
B.
"if they run a microsoft server they need to apply the patches no matter how frequent they might be. if they dont like it they should choose different OS. but you cant blame MS if they supply the patches and they choose not to install it."
Let me try this gently to you...
It was a MICROSOFT controlled server! It was under the direct control of Microsoft even if it was a contractor. Considering it was used for Microsoft's OWN pages one would reasonably assume they would be the FIRST to patch.
What this says to people considering IIS is that Microsoft doesn't care about security (no surprise there) even when it comes to their own gear.
B.
Your sensitivity to the downtrodden is overwhelming.
Although it is technically accurate that nobody "forced" them it is NOT accurate that they weren't forced by circumstances.
We should remember your words when you become unemployed, on the verge of homelessness, and hungry. I am willing to bet that you change your tune as you get thousands of these "offers"...
The only difference between these predatory credit card companies and a Mafia loan shark is one is legal.
B.
"That can only be blamed on the consumers."
Bull...
Credit card companies preying on the financially challenged(TM) is to blame. A moron that has been unemployed for 6 months gets "You are pre-approved" credit card offers out the wazoo. Just what do you think that moron is going to do? Common sense simply dictates you don't give a moron a loaded gun like these offers are. He is likely to shoot himself in the foot.
B.
"There was another article I read somewhere"
;-)
That would be "Wizard of ID"
B.
"What else can you add to a cell phone?"
Wouldn't surprise me to see an automatic tampon remover....
B.
Heh...
"Performance at the cost of security and stability, eh? Only time will tell..."
That is assuming said $VAPORWARE ever makes it out the gate...
B.
There is an easier way to do it that IS native to most systems (even Windows). Only allow 3 failed attempts before requiring re-activation (and enforcing change of password). While you are at it you could email the true account on each failed attempt letting the user know someone is playing jiggy-jiggy with their account. It isn't too hard.
B.
WTF....
The question I got on this goes beyond your lame example. Why was sensitive data in a web accessable area to begin with? Sure, the students shouldn't have done it but they aren't the real guilty party here are they? The real guilty party is the damned administrator. Did they punish the administrator as severely as the student by NOT PAYING HIS DUMB ASS?
B.
"They do not want broadcast TV to be such an adequate substitute for cinema and DVD (or DVD2) viewing, that nobody bothers to do pay for either of the latter systems of movie viewing. They know that there's a sizable portion of people who "wait until it comes on TV" with virtually every movie, and they certainly don't want that to increase. They especially do not want people who'd otherwise buy a DVD waiting for the movie to appear on TV and then recording it at glorious DVD-quality, able, with the technology now in every modern PC, to remove ads."
They made the same complaints when TV first came out, then again when it went color, then when the VCR came out, and now when it goes digital. That still hasn't stopped them from seeing record profits at the box office,DVD sales,or broadcast revenues.
Besides, with the massive media consolidation going on it is still the same 6 companies no matter what the medium is.
B.
"This is particularly true where the nature of an act (like some innovative new form of online fraud, for example) hasn't been really contemplated by the justice system before."
Although fraud is the strongest law in just about every country for this sort of thing it isn't the only international law being broken. For one, there is trademark law. I would think companies would fight for their trademarks more. In every phising case the fraudster uses the trademarks to foster confusion. That is different from the clasical brick & morter fraud scam. It isn't like your brick & morter scammers can hang a shingle out saying, "Chase Manhattan Bank" and be taken seriously.
B.
Again, this is fine for small networks but you would run out of IP numbers quickly on larger ones such as AOL, Earthlink or even MSN. When you get large numbers of users, IP management becomes necessary. Yes, DHCP does configure the rest but its main reason for existance is for IP management.
B.
"1. use static dhcp."
That's an oxymoron...
The problem with this approach is you run out of IP addresses very quickly. The whole idea behind Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is to reuse an IP as it becomes available. The problem isn't with DHCP but with identifying a machine via time/date stamp and manually searching logs. Imagine if you were an admin at say Earthlink and had to identify all the possible zombies out there via log files....
Call it job security...
B.
This does nothing for DOS attacks. It does do something for spam relays though.
B.
"It's like blaming Sony for flipping through the channels, and the batteries dieing just as Barney comes on."
Oh god! I feel your pain on that one...
B.
"So yes, if just the US outlaws this, it's silly, but it could be a step toward something more meaningful."
Meaningful?!?!?! What was the last space ad you saw?!?! Get real. This is just plain old silly.
Now if they were to outlaw the sodium lights, that would be meaningful to astronomers....
B.