And, BTW, about the alleged crimes that fall under US law on freedom of expression, I totally against Google providing the requested data. Regardless of the language the ideas are being expressed, they are being expressed using a computer under US jurisdiction, so, there may be lots of racist, stupid, neo-nazi and homophobic discourse, fully protected under US law.
You are right that the Brazilian govt has no jurisdiction over the data stored abroad.
But, as I see it, what enters under the Brazilian jurisdiction is the data _entering_ the Brazilian Internet. Condidering that, the Brazilian govt could simply block that traffic.
That's not convenient for Google, so I guess it would be their interest to provide the data requested by the Brazilian authorities.
Besides that, I would find very hypocritical from Google if they came with "freedom of expression" arguments (what IMO would be BS in this case), considering what they're doing in China right now.
I can't blame the Brazilian Government if they decide to block Orkut at IP level here.
Yep, censorship is just what we need. Fuck you, speak for yourself.
This has nothing to do with censorship.
If a company does not want to comply with local laws, feeling it does not have to because it's based outside of Brazilian jurisdiction... Well, yes, blocking the traffic to Brazil is an option.
Now about the kind "fuck you" you wrote, I suggest you stop following those for-teenagers anarco-liberal pamflets and begin to actually _work_ for your country, its development, its democracy and its sovereignty.
Do that instead of yelling senseless political BS all around, thinking you're really doing something.
It would be really, really ironic if some gang, organized a plan using those Orkut forums, kidnapped you, demanded ransom... And after receiving the money they just shoot you in the head in order to run no risks of being identified later.
That would be democracy, yeah...right.
For those playing at home: we just learned why Google is hesitant to build data centers in countries that have weaker protection for freedomes than does the US.
What freedom are you talking about?!
Orkut is being massively used as a forum system for organized criminals, to organize kidnapings for monetary extortion, attacks to police stations etc.
Google Brazil does not want to provide the information needed in order to find those bastards.
This has nothing to do with combating conventional porn or monitoring its citizens.
Your country has more problems with government interfering with citizens' freedom than mine.
If the Brazilian government kicks Google out... ... they'll be hurting Brazil a lot more than they'll be hurting Google.
No they won't.
Google is not the only search engine available, nor Brazil is a irrelevant market.
Brazilians' participation in Orkut was so massive that Google thought it made business sense to provide some customization to the service, when accessed from Brazil.
Your 'everyone else are insects' attitude fits the US-citizen stereotype perfectly.
in order to justify passing net-porn (NOT kiddie porn) legislation in the name of "protecting the children"
No, it is not.
You obviously do not know a thing about Brazilian reality.
What happens is that criminal gangs are using Orkut as forums while keeping themselves anonymous.
Google Brazil is refusing to provide data about the users involved in such forums.
Organized crime is already out of control in Brazil and Google doesn't give a shit.
I can't blame the Brazilian Government if they decide to block Orkut at IP level here.
In most other respects, it looks like a simpler version of the GPL, including being viral.
Sorry, but I have to say something about this.
This kind of derogatory description of the GPL doesn't help a thing for the FOSS movement, and only help to widen its divisions.
Beautiful place, Croatia, and some smart people from the area.
Well written, it doesn't contradict the fact he was Serbian (yet I personally think that more like a political division than anything).
And yes, those guys are smart doing that.:)
Who buy servers? A home user? I guess not...
Companies and the public sector buys such hardware.
There's a budget, a bureaucracy related to the process of buying (specially in the government) and there's availbility of the product in the market.
Well, I do work for the government (not USA's) and, really, more than once we've tried to buy anything not an Intel... AMD, IBM, Sun... once even dual G5 Apple servers.
It's impossible because of one or more of the following reasons:
- Too expensive (and I'm including even AMD-based hardware), even considering the pluses of having such hardware.
- Not many representatives and
- The few ones didn't look very interested on selling to us (I guess they have felt like doing us a favor).
Intel-based anything, not a problem though.
It feels like Sun doesn't talk to you unless you're talking about numbers >= 500k USD. IBM doesn't feel much different.
Apple doesn't care much, and you will have to hear them trying to convince you to use Mac OS X instead of Linux and asking if you want to include Photoshop/alikes.
AMD doesn't care either.
So, quite frankly, after being punished for trying to estimulate hardware diversity in the market (while buying useful hardware, since charity is not an option), I don't give a.... anymore for AMD. I need the equipment, not arguments.
And, really, nowadays if I had the option between Intel and AMD, being the price/performance/availbility similar I would choose Intel...
I feel a big NO-thanks towards AMD for adding 64bit extensions to the already frankenstein x86. It was a chance for non-x86 solutions (and NEW players) coming to the market again, and it was lost.
Hezbullah kidnaps and kills Israelis on their own territory. Israelis try to get them back. Hezbullah fires 100's of rockets into Israel to terrorise the civilian population.
Israel wages war to exterminate Hezbullah. Chilean hacker defaces NASA website. Am I missing something?
Well, yeah... You're missing the disproportionate israeli reaction, killing lebanese civilians who have nothing to do with that...
That while enjoying so much support from the USA that, at some point, it couldn't resist and say internationally that it "has full international support".
You need to realize the name "football" doesn't stem from the fact that you play the ball with your feet, but from the fact that players play on foot rather than on a horse or anything else. You should read the Wikipedia article about Football (in general) and Association Football.
...and you need to read it again and realize that if there are two alternatively theories presented (hence the words "rival explanation" in your quote), then arbitrarily picking one of them and presenting it as fact, makes you look like an idiot.
"Boo-hoo... It's not American rugby, it's FOOTBALL and it roxxorz, the best game of the world! All the rest of the world is wrong!"
I'm so touched... Shall I start using some non-standard system instead of the metrical one?
State-of-the-art computers are probably about 15 times as fast as Pentium II-based computers, and consume maybe twice as much electricity.
Modern computers being 15 times faster than P-IIs?
I seriously doubt it. Take the slowest P-II ever, the P-II/266, as reference. 15x that means, what, a P4 at 4GHz?
Sorry, no way it is that faster. Maybe a P3 core at 4GHz, assuming overall improvements besides the clock speed.
Personally, I do think that a P3/866-1GHz is worth for such tasks.
You may say about being unworthy machines because of power consumption costs. Let's forget the fact the newer machines have much higher power requirements, and let's also forget that the 15x-thing is an exaggeration.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps, running for (let's say) 1-2 years may be cheaper even considering the power costs?
Well, perhaps in the USA power is to expensive while the hardware is too cheap, but in other countries it might be the very opposite (like where I live, for example).
On the other hand, I've seen such clusters using 486s... Now that's a waste of energy (considering the processing power alone), and obviously created for entertainment/learning purposes.
How high do these things fly above ground ? Are then within rifle range ?:) Skeet shooting could take on a whole new perspective!
I guess one rifle probably could destroy (or at least damage it badly) one of these.
What I'm more unsure is whether would they send you to Guantanamo or do the dirty job locally?
Well, I was going to sleep so I'm going to be quick...
You've made a good argumentation here.
In the case of Lem I may have targetted him wrong. I'll think about it.
I think the only thing we probably agree is that Stanislaw Lem was a great writer.
he wrote in Polish and Polish only
You forget that Polish was the lingua franca in that region for a long time, spoken and written by non-poles. Much like Belarusian was during Old Lithuania times (before the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, which was followed by Polish annexation of Western Old Lithuania, which was basically divided like a cake between Poland and Russia).
The fact I do speak in English language doesn't make me English myself.
So what now... Is Copernicus Italian or Prussian now?
Or even Chopin is now officially French? He made himself in France anyway.
Your qualification that you're "not a Polish basher" sounds hollow given given that antipolonism has strong roots in America
Now that's completely ridiculous from your part. Persecution hysteria doesn't help a thing.
Firstly I don't even live/was_born/ate_in_Macdonalds in North America.
Second, I DO remember when once talking with poles in Poland (yeah, I've been there for a while), while mentioning that my family was Polish (Polish citizens with paper and all, mind you) but from Western Belarus... well, that I was more than once refuted and being told something like "ah, they're not Polish then, they're Belarusian".
Funny thing is that you need to be famous in order to be Polish then.
Stanislaw Lem was born in Lviv, back then Polish but nowadays Ukraine.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say he was Ukrainian instead?
I'm not a Poland-basher or anything, but it's not the first famous one from Eastern Europe "becoming" Polish. Adam Mickiewicz, for example, was born in Old Lithuania (which was mostly a Belarusian state, despiste its name). Even so, the poles claim he was polish (neither currently, nor back then it was Poland).
Poland has a great history and made several contributions to the Western world, I personally think it's a shame when it tries to appropriate the history of another countries which, at the current time, are not in a good (economic, political) situation to defend themselves.
The MSX is pure classic, indeed...
Konami started its carreer developing (fantastic) games for the MSX computers back in the 80s.
Here in Brazil these computers virtually killed all the CoCos, Apples, and Spectrums..
For that reason, in this country 8-bit emulation means necessarilly emulating a MSX, other computers are fully optional.;)
In most industrialized nations, intellectual property (IP) generated by an employee through the course of his or her employment legally belongs to the employer. In the UK, this is embodied in the Patents Act 1977 and the Copyright, Designs & Patents Act 1988.
Sorry, this does not apply to every single country in Earth.
I do live in Brazil, I do work as a programmer and my employer does not have any rights over my software projects produced outside my work.
The process of creating software is more akin to an engineering discipline than an artistic endeavour,(...)
This must be a joke or the guy lives in a different planet.
I had few opportunities to see the source code of commercial (normally closed-source) software, and compared to FOSS, closed-source software are usually badly-written, messy and unportable.
Is such crap quality engineering? I don't think so.
There are uncomfortable similarities between the OSS development process and the situation that arose in the computer games industry in the early 1980s,(...)
The games industry learned a valuable lesson from this experience and is now arguably the most highly trained and disciplined software development community in the world. This professionalism in software development is cited as a major contributory factor to the explosive growth that the computer games industry has enjoyed over the last 10 years.
Oh, so that's why the last 10 years there were the most unimaginative, safe-bet, purely commercial games ever.
My wallet is itching to pay for a copy of another Super Shooter 3D Doom XXVI Extra Edition.
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And, BTW, about the alleged crimes that fall under US law on freedom of expression, I totally against Google providing the requested data. Regardless of the language the ideas are being expressed, they are being expressed using a computer under US jurisdiction, so, there may be lots of racist, stupid, neo-nazi and homophobic discourse, fully protected under US law.
You are right that the Brazilian govt has no jurisdiction over the data stored abroad.
But, as I see it, what enters under the Brazilian jurisdiction is the data _entering_ the Brazilian Internet. Condidering that, the Brazilian govt could simply block that traffic.
That's not convenient for Google, so I guess it would be their interest to provide the data requested by the Brazilian authorities.
Besides that, I would find very hypocritical from Google if they came with "freedom of expression" arguments (what IMO would be BS in this case), considering what they're doing in China right now.
I can't blame the Brazilian Government if they decide to block Orkut at IP level here.
Yep, censorship is just what we need. Fuck you, speak for yourself.
This has nothing to do with censorship.
If a company does not want to comply with local laws, feeling it does not have to because it's based outside of Brazilian jurisdiction... Well, yes, blocking the traffic to Brazil is an option.
Now about the kind "fuck you" you wrote, I suggest you stop following those for-teenagers anarco-liberal pamflets and begin to actually _work_ for your country, its development, its democracy and its sovereignty.
Do that instead of yelling senseless political BS all around, thinking you're really doing something.
It would be really, really ironic if some gang, organized a plan using those Orkut forums, kidnapped you, demanded ransom... And after receiving the money they just shoot you in the head in order to run no risks of being identified later.
That would be democracy, yeah...right.
For those playing at home: we just learned why Google is hesitant to build data centers in countries that have weaker protection for freedomes than does the US.
What freedom are you talking about?!
Orkut is being massively used as a forum system for organized criminals, to organize kidnapings for monetary extortion, attacks to police stations etc.
Google Brazil does not want to provide the information needed in order to find those bastards.
This has nothing to do with combating conventional porn or monitoring its citizens.
Your country has more problems with government interfering with citizens' freedom than mine.
If the Brazilian government kicks Google out ...
... they'll be hurting Brazil a lot more than they'll be hurting Google.
No they won't.
Google is not the only search engine available, nor Brazil is a irrelevant market.
Brazilians' participation in Orkut was so massive that Google thought it made business sense to provide some customization to the service, when accessed from Brazil.
Your 'everyone else are insects' attitude fits the US-citizen stereotype perfectly.
in order to justify passing net-porn (NOT kiddie porn) legislation in the name of "protecting the children"
No, it is not.
You obviously do not know a thing about Brazilian reality.
What happens is that criminal gangs are using Orkut as forums while keeping themselves anonymous.
Google Brazil is refusing to provide data about the users involved in such forums.
Organized crime is already out of control in Brazil and Google doesn't give a shit.
I can't blame the Brazilian Government if they decide to block Orkut at IP level here.
In most other respects, it looks like a simpler version of the GPL, including being viral.
Sorry, but I have to say something about this.
This kind of derogatory description of the GPL doesn't help a thing for the FOSS movement, and only help to widen its divisions.
Beautiful place, Croatia, and some smart people from the area.
:)
Well written, it doesn't contradict the fact he was Serbian (yet I personally think that more like a political division than anything).
And yes, those guys are smart doing that.
Captain's Log, 2368.7: ...
(...)
Spock to kick them...
Waaaait a minute... Star Trek TOS happens in the 23rd century, not during the 24th.
It's not even a valid stardate for that period.
You obviously are a SCO employee pretending to be a regular Slashdot reader!
has the slashdot effect failed? or not kicked in yet? seriously, weirdal.com is toast, but myspace is still chugging along.
Well, they have lots of traffic... Wouldn't they simply divide the load to several servers, depending on the base directory accessed?
Services like that often use something more than a vanilla Apache, you know...
It's not that simple.
.... anymore for AMD. I need the equipment, not arguments.
Who buy servers? A home user? I guess not...
Companies and the public sector buys such hardware.
There's a budget, a bureaucracy related to the process of buying (specially in the government) and there's availbility of the product in the market.
Well, I do work for the government (not USA's) and, really, more than once we've tried to buy anything not an Intel... AMD, IBM, Sun... once even dual G5 Apple servers.
It's impossible because of one or more of the following reasons:
- Too expensive (and I'm including even AMD-based hardware), even considering the pluses of having such hardware.
- Not many representatives and
- The few ones didn't look very interested on selling to us (I guess they have felt like doing us a favor).
Intel-based anything, not a problem though.
It feels like Sun doesn't talk to you unless you're talking about numbers >= 500k USD. IBM doesn't feel much different.
Apple doesn't care much, and you will have to hear them trying to convince you to use Mac OS X instead of Linux and asking if you want to include Photoshop/alikes.
AMD doesn't care either.
So, quite frankly, after being punished for trying to estimulate hardware diversity in the market (while buying useful hardware, since charity is not an option), I don't give a
And, really, nowadays if I had the option between Intel and AMD, being the price/performance/availbility similar I would choose Intel...
I feel a big NO-thanks towards AMD for adding 64bit extensions to the already frankenstein x86. It was a chance for non-x86 solutions (and NEW players) coming to the market again, and it was lost.
My government spends 100 million dollars in notebooks and there isn't even a mention in the newspaper? WTF?
Ah, you do live in Brazil too?!
Hezbullah kidnaps and kills Israelis on their own territory. Israelis try to get them back. Hezbullah fires 100's of rockets into Israel to terrorise the civilian population.
Israel wages war to exterminate Hezbullah. Chilean hacker defaces NASA website. Am I missing something?
Well, yeah... You're missing the disproportionate israeli reaction, killing lebanese civilians who have nothing to do with that...
That while enjoying so much support from the USA that, at some point, it couldn't resist and say internationally that it "has full international support".
The announcement says:
We're still investigating exactly what happened and the extent of the damage.
We'll post more info as soon as we reasonably can.
If the ones affected can't say, who can then.
(yeah, yeah... "the ones who attacked the server").
You need to realize the name "football" doesn't stem from the fact that you play the ball with your feet, but from the fact that players play on foot rather than on a horse or anything else. You should read the Wikipedia article about Football (in general) and Association Football.
...and you need to read it again and realize that if there are two alternatively theories presented (hence the words "rival explanation" in your quote), then arbitrarily picking one of them and presenting it as fact, makes you look like an idiot.
"Boo-hoo... It's not American rugby, it's FOOTBALL and it roxxorz, the best game of the world! All the rest of the world is wrong!"
I'm so touched... Shall I start using some non-standard system instead of the metrical one?
State-of-the-art computers are probably about 15 times as fast as Pentium II-based computers, and consume maybe twice as much electricity.
Modern computers being 15 times faster than P-IIs?
I seriously doubt it. Take the slowest P-II ever, the P-II/266, as reference. 15x that means, what, a P4 at 4GHz?
Sorry, no way it is that faster. Maybe a P3 core at 4GHz, assuming overall improvements besides the clock speed.
Personally, I do think that a P3/866-1GHz is worth for such tasks.
You may say about being unworthy machines because of power consumption costs. Let's forget the fact the newer machines have much higher power requirements, and let's also forget that the 15x-thing is an exaggeration.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps, running for (let's say) 1-2 years may be cheaper even considering the power costs?
Well, perhaps in the USA power is to expensive while the hardware is too cheap, but in other countries it might be the very opposite (like where I live, for example).
On the other hand, I've seen such clusters using 486s... Now that's a waste of energy (considering the processing power alone), and obviously created for entertainment/learning purposes.
How high do these things fly above ground ? Are then within rifle range ? :) Skeet shooting could take on a whole new perspective!
I guess one rifle probably could destroy (or at least damage it badly) one of these.
What I'm more unsure is whether would they send you to Guantanamo or do the dirty job locally?
Well, I was going to sleep so I'm going to be quick...
You've made a good argumentation here.
In the case of Lem I may have targetted him wrong. I'll think about it.
I think the only thing we probably agree is that Stanislaw Lem was a great writer.
he wrote in Polish and Polish only
You forget that Polish was the lingua franca in that region for a long time, spoken and written by non-poles. Much like Belarusian was during Old Lithuania times (before the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, which was followed by Polish annexation of Western Old Lithuania, which was basically divided like a cake between Poland and Russia).
The fact I do speak in English language doesn't make me English myself.
So what now... Is Copernicus Italian or Prussian now?
Or even Chopin is now officially French? He made himself in France anyway.
Your qualification that you're "not a Polish basher" sounds hollow given given that antipolonism has strong roots in America
Now that's completely ridiculous from your part. Persecution hysteria doesn't help a thing.
Firstly I don't even live/was_born/ate_in_Macdonalds in North America.
Second, I DO remember when once talking with poles in Poland (yeah, I've been there for a while), while mentioning that my family was Polish (Polish citizens with paper and all, mind you) but from Western Belarus... well, that I was more than once refuted and being told something like "ah, they're not Polish then, they're Belarusian".
Funny thing is that you need to be famous in order to be Polish then.
Stanislaw Lem was born in Lviv, back then Polish but nowadays Ukraine.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say he was Ukrainian instead?
I'm not a Poland-basher or anything, but it's not the first famous one from Eastern Europe "becoming" Polish.
Adam Mickiewicz, for example, was born in Old Lithuania (which was mostly a Belarusian state, despiste its name). Even so, the poles claim he was polish (neither currently, nor back then it was Poland).
Poland has a great history and made several contributions to the Western world, I personally think it's a shame when it tries to appropriate the history of another countries which, at the current time, are not in a good (economic, political) situation to defend themselves.
The MSX is pure classic, indeed...
;)
Konami started its carreer developing (fantastic) games for the MSX computers back in the 80s.
Here in Brazil these computers virtually killed all the CoCos, Apples, and Spectrums..
For that reason, in this country 8-bit emulation means necessarilly emulating a MSX, other computers are fully optional.
The video is also available at the following mirror:
e %20Wheel%201.mpg
ftp://mirror.cefetpr.br/pub/misc/Reinventing%20th
You may download the video from
e %20Wheel%201.mpg
ftp://mirror.cefetpr.br/pub/misc/Reinventing%20th
So they have 5000 cylinders... So what.
Everyone knows that what counts is not the quantity, but the quality of the cylinder.
In most industrialized nations, intellectual property (IP) generated by an employee through the course of his or her employment legally belongs to the employer. In the UK, this is embodied in the Patents Act 1977 and the Copyright, Designs & Patents Act 1988.
Sorry, this does not apply to every single country in Earth.
I do live in Brazil, I do work as a programmer and my employer does not have any rights over my software projects produced outside my work.
The process of creating software is more akin to an engineering discipline than an artistic endeavour,(...)
This must be a joke or the guy lives in a different planet.
I had few opportunities to see the source code of commercial (normally closed-source) software, and compared to FOSS, closed-source software are usually badly-written, messy and unportable.
Is such crap quality engineering? I don't think so.
There are uncomfortable similarities between the OSS development process and the situation that arose in the computer games industry in the early 1980s,(...)
The games industry learned a valuable lesson from this experience and is now arguably the most highly trained and disciplined software development community in the world. This professionalism in software development is cited as a major contributory factor to the explosive growth that the computer games industry has enjoyed over the last 10 years.
Oh, so that's why the last 10 years there were the most unimaginative, safe-bet, purely commercial games ever.
My wallet is itching to pay for a copy of another Super Shooter 3D Doom XXVI Extra Edition.
I thought Intel and AMD were compatible?
Yes, they are... At software level.