Because not all of us are hippies like RMS. Some of us have mouths to feed, and software development is how we support ourselves/families.
Maybe some day, when we finally reach a Star Trek-like utopia and don't need money, all software development can be just for fun and for the betterment of all. Until then, we live in a world where money is the end, and software development might just be the means.
The mod chip defeats copy protection, therefore breaking copyright law. Broadband connections, "cd burners, hiew (and windasm, and softice, and whatever other software the kids these days use), hard drives, computers, blah blah blah" do not.
You are legally allowed to make and keep backups of your software. Right or wrong, the hardware manuf. is not legally obligated to allow you to use the backups, though.
As a long-time smoker, I can honestly say that there is nothing that bothers me more than having some right-wing tree hugger complain about my "second-hand smoke".
Tree hugger? Trees are not the problem. It's the toxic stink that you emit when you exhale the filthy air that you breathe from the burning end of your dead tobacco stick. Kill yourself if you want to, but do it in your own home -- not in a public [family] restaraunt.
So, while YOU, personally, might not like smoke, there are others of us who CHOOSE to smoke and you should have the courtesy to respect their needs as well.
There are many freedoms we have and enjoy, that are not appropriate in a public setting. Smoking (remember the stink and the carcinogen) is one of them. You absolutely should have the freedom to smoke, but those who choose not to smoke should have the freedom of clean air -- without having to rely on a courtesy that not every smoker provides.
Utah bars can and do serve anything that a California bar serves. You can't buy liquor (outside of 3.2 beer) in a grocery store -- you have to go to a liquor store. BIG DEAL. You can buy liquor at any restaraunt that has a liquor license. Bottom line is, it's just as easy to get drunk here in Utah as it is anywhere else.
Also, the tech front is looking pretty good here. Intel is building a seven bldg. campus here, with one bldg. already operational. Novel has always been here. Enterasys Networks' main engineering facility is here,... etc, etc.
Yeah, you're right. I does, kind of. And, if the Austrailian government were brutally torturing and murdering people, instead of simply blocking porno, you'd be right on!
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Companies should NOT have to count on hobbyists who have other priorities than helping THEM.
It's a great argument, but why do you think you have to "count on" hobbyists if you base your business on Linux? The source is open. You can customize it to fit your own needs. You can add to it, optimize it, etc.
The real question would be, then, which will cost more: Microsoft site license & upgrades, or in-house Linux developer? I don't know the answer to that, but the Linux route will surely give you a product tailored to the specific needs of your business -- without relying on hobbyists.
How is people
that got raped ever going to deal with it, if e.g making art about it is made illegal?
What kind of fucking stupid statement is that? You think watching people suffer is therapeutic to those who have suffered themselves? You think rape victims ought to take delight in watching the rape of others. If so, you are one sick bastard.
Think there's a problem with people buying/selling votes now? Just wait until people can do so in the privacy of their own home. As it stands, there is no way for a vote buyer to ensure that the seller did, in fact, vote according to the agreement -- only one person in a booth at a time. The same security cannot be had in a non-seclusioned voting environment.
Katz argues that people shouldn't have to drive long distances to vote, so they should be able to vote in their own homes, electronically. There just isn't enough security this way. I guess, IMHO, the ideal voting scheme is electronically, in a private booth, where you may have to drive a long distance.
So just come out and say it, Eccles. You're pissed because they're cutting out kiddie porn. Isn't that what you're trying to say? Well, you're obviously smart enough to tell the difference between English literature and kiddie porn -- you gave this outrageous example. Don't you think anyone else is capable as well? Or, do you seriously think that just because a policy is made concerning child porn, that same policy will effect Shakespeare?
Now, the act of studying things to find out how they work (reverse engineering) is redefined as "theft".
No. Finding out how things work is not theft. Taking the work that someone else has done (like the code that used to go into building an ASIC, but is more and more being used to program FGPAs) and using it in your own product without even knowing how it works -- that's theft. This happens, and it's a legitimate concern to protect the intellectual property that goes into building a circuit.
So, is/. a test audience for bad reporting now? This article will be published on a different site "in a few days"? Why? Will it change at all (other than the photos)? This artice has sparked some good debate today, but I gotta say that my first reaction was, "What the hell is this crap doing on Slashdot?" Where's the nerd relevance? As much as I hate Jon Katz, even his Hellmouth bantering had some relevance to geekdom.
So, it seems to me there are a few possibilities of why, exactly, this article appeared on/.
1. We are now a test audience for up-and-coming e-reporters to refine their work. From most of the comments I've read today, it still needs a lot of work.
2. Slashdot is expanding into an online political forum. Fine with me, and there's obviously an interested audience here.
3. This article was placed on Slashdot to enrage many readers, spark a great debate about protesting and oppression, and possibly advance the political bias of one or more/. publishers. Not likely, but after Taco's remarks of recent, I gotta wonder.
If you want to surf with Linux, you have to use Mozilla. Period.
What a load of crap! I just downloaded M16 and ran it. Firstly, I couldn't just type in a URL at the top of the window like you normally should be able to. I have to click FILE --> open web location... After I finally got going, it rendered 7 pages before crashing. Come on! Netscape is big, bloated, and unstable. But if you're going to compare stability and usability between Netscape and Mozilla, NS WILL win every time.
Ten bucks they're in China. Nothing against the Chinese people, but this wouldn't be the first time the Clinton/Gore admin. let the Chinese gov't have technology. It's quite apparent that Clinton and Gore are working quite closely with the Chinese gov't, and have been since before this wonderful Clinton/whore regime began.
Sure, that would explain why US CD sales totaled more than 5% higher last year than in 1998.
What's to say that 5% wouldn't have been 10% without the help of Napster? A. Coward's point is well taken. If you can get something for free, why buy it? This is like software:: most piracy isn't done for a trial period so one can later decide to buy the packaged, legitimate copy. What kind of scientific study would you propose to convince you otherwise?
Any student that's been through a first level research methods class can tell you that causality can only be attributed through scientific experimentation, with both a control and an experimental group of subject.
This isn't an FDA study, and there's no laboratory. A simple poll will probably do just fine here. Besides, what CONTROL would you recommend? A group of people that fall into the same age group as the majority of Napster users, but who haven't used or even heard of Napster? It's very likely that this same group would not be as likely to buy a CD in the first place.
Uh, no. Your C program could not email open my email program, read my address list, and email itself all over the planet. It could delete MP3s, JPGs, etc. if I owned them, but it couldn't delete those belonging to other users. And, it definitely could not replace executable programs with itself.
Rest assured, though, that if Linux EVER had a problem like this there would be a patch for it the next day.
I'm sure Microsoft will patch this hole soon. And yes, Slashdotters are critical of Microsoft. But come on. Melissa, ILOVEYOU, etc. THIS IS A SECURITY BUG, the only fix for which has been to 'educate users not to run executable attachments.' This is a bunch of crap. Where's the REAL fix? Where's Microsoft's patch for this? Melissa would still be just a devastating today.
Automobile manufacturers don't just rely on driver education to increase vehicle safety. They install seatbelts, airbags, door-beams, etc. because lives are at stake. Likewise, Microsoft needs to revise its product. $Billions are at stake, not to mention privacy.
You may be tired of the Slashdot/Linux community's critical attitude toward Microsoft. I'm sick of Microsoft's cavalier attitude toward security and reliability.
I personally do not use Linux because it's free, or GPL. I use it because it's stable, runs faster on my slower hardware, and because I hate microsoft.
Stick to your GPL principals if you must, but don't bitch about others making their own choice of software because it happens to be closed-source.
Hi, me again. Comm central was the biggest piece of crap ever to be installed on a system. Just how many revisions of that program were there before the plug was finally pulled?! Cyber warner crashes hourly, and cyber trio (with the 3, 4 or 5 revisions) is the biggest reason for having to format the HD and reinstall everything. If you guys over there at G-Tek were incapable of fixing the problems in your product, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
One more thing... Over here in the US we have this thing called freedom of speech. That means that if I want to say that a company's product SUCKS, I can. It's not slander, it's my opinion. If you don't like it, get you PR machine moving to mop it up!
On a lighter note, you're absolutely right that PB execs did not seem to listen to their customers, vendors, or techs. They never learned from their mistakes (like doing business with G-Tek), and they have died as a result.
In 1986, as the story goes, Beny Alagem (Founder and Ex-CEO) bought the PB name. It was a defunct Electronics (radios, etc) from ~1930 (I think). He started his company with this purchased name. It is not at all related to HP (obviously)
Up until last week, I was a PB tech at the Magna, UT facility. (I guess I quit just in time, eh?) We had all been seeing this coming for a long time, despite the re-assurance of the "suits". The main problem was that PB had contracts with crappy hardware and softare companies (ie. G-Tek) to continue using their products in the systems. Bad business, bad product, and lack of resources in the tech support dept finally caught up. Justice is served for the execs and for future customers, but woe to my ex-coworkers and to new PB customers seeking product support. -Joshua Konopka
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Why should the people be paid to develop things?
Because not all of us are hippies like RMS. Some of us have mouths to feed, and software development is how we support ourselves/families.
Maybe some day, when we finally reach a Star Trek-like utopia and don't need money, all software development can be just for fun and for the betterment of all. Until then, we live in a world where money is the end, and software development might just be the means.
The mod chip defeats copy protection, therefore breaking copyright law. Broadband connections, "cd burners, hiew (and windasm, and softice, and whatever other software the kids these days use), hard drives, computers, blah blah blah" do not.
You are legally allowed to make and keep backups of your software. Right or wrong, the hardware manuf. is not legally obligated to allow you to use the backups, though.
As a long-time smoker, I can honestly say that there is nothing that bothers me more than having some right-wing tree hugger complain about my "second-hand smoke".
Tree hugger? Trees are not the problem. It's the toxic stink that you emit when you exhale the filthy air that you breathe from the burning end of your dead tobacco stick. Kill yourself if you want to, but do it in your own home -- not in a public [family] restaraunt.
So, while YOU, personally, might not like smoke, there are others of us who CHOOSE to smoke and you should have the courtesy to respect their needs as well.
There are many freedoms we have and enjoy, that are not appropriate in a public setting. Smoking (remember the stink and the carcinogen) is one of them. You absolutely should have the freedom to smoke, but those who choose not to smoke should have the freedom of clean air -- without having to rely on a courtesy that not every smoker provides.
Utah bars can and do serve anything that a California bar serves. You can't buy liquor (outside of 3.2 beer) in a grocery store -- you have to go to a liquor store. BIG DEAL. You can buy liquor at any restaraunt that has a liquor license. Bottom line is, it's just as easy to get drunk here in Utah as it is anywhere else.
... etc, etc.
Also, the tech front is looking pretty good here. Intel is building a seven bldg. campus here, with one bldg. already operational. Novel has always been here. Enterasys Networks' main engineering facility is here,
Yeah, you're right. I does, kind of. And, if the Austrailian government were brutally torturing and murdering people, instead of simply blocking porno, you'd be right on!
Also, 7 of 9 tried a new hairdo".
Man, I only wish! Come on, let it down, baby!
Companies should NOT have to count on hobbyists who have other priorities than helping THEM.
It's a great argument, but why do you think you have to "count on" hobbyists if you base your business on Linux? The source is open. You can customize it to fit your own needs. You can add to it, optimize it, etc.
The real question would be, then, which will cost more: Microsoft site license & upgrades, or in-house Linux developer? I don't know the answer to that, but the Linux route will surely give you a product tailored to the specific needs of your business -- without relying on hobbyists.
How is people that got raped ever going to deal with it, if e.g making art about it is made illegal?
What kind of fucking stupid statement is that? You think watching people suffer is therapeutic to those who have suffered themselves? You think rape victims ought to take delight in watching the rape of others. If so, you are one sick bastard.
Think there's a problem with people buying/selling votes now? Just wait until people can do so in the privacy of their own home. As it stands, there is no way for a vote buyer to ensure that the seller did, in fact, vote according to the agreement -- only one person in a booth at a time. The same security cannot be had in a non-seclusioned voting environment.
Katz argues that people shouldn't have to drive long distances to vote, so they should be able to vote in their own homes, electronically. There just isn't enough security this way. I guess, IMHO, the ideal voting scheme is electronically, in a private booth, where you may have to drive a long distance.
So just come out and say it, Eccles. You're pissed because they're cutting out kiddie porn. Isn't that what you're trying to say? Well, you're obviously smart enough to tell the difference between English literature and kiddie porn -- you gave this outrageous example. Don't you think anyone else is capable as well? Or, do you seriously think that just because a policy is made concerning child porn, that same policy will effect Shakespeare?
Come on!
Now, the act of studying things to find out how they work (reverse engineering) is redefined as "theft".
No. Finding out how things work is not theft. Taking the work that someone else has done (like the code that used to go into building an ASIC, but is more and more being used to program FGPAs) and using it in your own product without even knowing how it works -- that's theft. This happens, and it's a legitimate concern to protect the intellectual property that goes into building a circuit.
So, is /. a test audience for bad reporting now? This article will be published on a different site "in a few days"? Why? Will it change at all (other than the photos)? This artice has sparked some good debate today, but I gotta say that my first reaction was, "What the hell is this crap doing on Slashdot?" Where's the nerd relevance? As much as I hate Jon Katz, even his Hellmouth bantering had some relevance to geekdom.
/.
/. publishers. Not likely, but after Taco's remarks of recent, I gotta wonder.
So, it seems to me there are a few possibilities of why, exactly, this article appeared on
1. We are now a test audience for up-and-coming e-reporters to refine their work. From most of the comments I've read today, it still needs a lot of work.
2. Slashdot is expanding into an online political forum. Fine with me, and there's obviously an interested audience here.
3. This article was placed on Slashdot to enrage many readers, spark a great debate about protesting and oppression, and possibly advance the political bias of one or more
Try a nightly build. M16 is old.
Maybe so. But it's two years and four months in the making. Methinks it ought to do a bit better. It certainly isn't as good as you say.
If you want to surf with Linux, you have to use Mozilla. Period.
What a load of crap! I just downloaded M16 and ran it. Firstly, I couldn't just type in a URL at the top of the window like you normally should be able to. I have to click FILE --> open web location... After I finally got going, it rendered 7 pages before crashing. Come on! Netscape is big, bloated, and unstable. But if you're going to compare stability and usability between Netscape and Mozilla, NS WILL win every time.
Oh by the way the streets of SLC are also ice covered.
Hm. In the SLC where I live it's about a hunnerd degrees.
Ten bucks they're in China. Nothing against the Chinese people, but this wouldn't be the first time the Clinton/Gore admin. let the Chinese gov't have technology. It's quite apparent that Clinton and Gore are working quite closely with the Chinese gov't, and have been since before this wonderful Clinton/whore regime began.
Sure, that would explain why US CD sales totaled more than 5% higher last year than in 1998.
What's to say that 5% wouldn't have been 10% without the help of Napster? A. Coward's point is well taken. If you can get something for free, why buy it? This is like software:: most piracy isn't done for a trial period so one can later decide to buy the packaged, legitimate copy. What kind of scientific study would you propose to convince you otherwise?
Any student that's been through a first level research methods class can tell you that causality can only be attributed through scientific experimentation, with both a control and an experimental group of subject.
This isn't an FDA study, and there's no laboratory. A simple poll will probably do just fine here. Besides, what CONTROL would you recommend? A group of people that fall into the same age group as the majority of Napster users, but who haven't used or even heard of Napster? It's very likely that this same group would not be as likely to buy a CD in the first place.
Uh, no. Your C program could not email open my email program, read my address list, and email itself all over the planet. It could delete MP3s, JPGs, etc. if I owned them, but it couldn't delete those belonging to other users. And, it definitely could not replace executable programs with itself.
Rest assured, though, that if Linux EVER had a problem like this there would be a patch for it the next day.
I'm sure Microsoft will patch this hole soon. And yes, Slashdotters are critical of Microsoft. But come on. Melissa, ILOVEYOU, etc. THIS IS A SECURITY BUG, the only fix for which has been to 'educate users not to run executable attachments.' This is a bunch of crap. Where's the REAL fix? Where's Microsoft's patch for this? Melissa would still be just a devastating today.
Automobile manufacturers don't just rely on driver education to increase vehicle safety. They install seatbelts, airbags, door-beams, etc. because lives are at stake. Likewise, Microsoft needs to revise its product. $Billions are at stake, not to mention privacy.
You may be tired of the Slashdot/Linux community's critical attitude toward Microsoft. I'm sick of Microsoft's cavalier attitude toward security and reliability.
I personally do not use Linux because it's free, or GPL. I use it because it's stable, runs faster on my slower hardware, and because I hate microsoft.
Stick to your GPL principals if you must, but don't bitch about others making their own choice of software because it happens to be closed-source.
VBA's 'big' thing going for it is the 'VB' kick that some Win32 programmers seem to think is the wave of the future.
Not to mention the cool macro virus support.
This is very good! But, just out of curiosity, how long have you been saving this post in /home/noryungi ? I enjoyed every bit of it.
Hi, me again. Comm central was the biggest piece of crap ever to be installed on a system. Just how many revisions of that program were there before the plug was finally pulled?! Cyber warner crashes hourly, and cyber trio (with the 3, 4 or 5 revisions) is the biggest reason for having to format the HD and reinstall everything.
If you guys over there at G-Tek were incapable of fixing the problems in your product, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
One more thing... Over here in the US we have this thing called freedom of speech. That means that if I want to say that a company's product SUCKS, I can. It's not slander, it's my opinion. If you don't like it, get you PR machine moving to mop it up!
On a lighter note, you're absolutely right that PB execs did not seem to listen to their customers, vendors, or techs. They never learned from their mistakes (like doing business with G-Tek), and they have died as a result.
In 1986, as the story goes, Beny Alagem (Founder and Ex-CEO) bought the PB name. It was a defunct Electronics (radios, etc) from ~1930 (I think). He started his company with this purchased name. It is not at all related to HP (obviously)
Up until last week, I was a PB tech at the Magna, UT facility. (I guess I quit just in time, eh?) We had all been seeing this coming for a long time, despite the re-assurance of the "suits". The main problem was that PB had contracts with crappy hardware and softare companies (ie. G-Tek) to continue using their products in the systems. Bad business, bad product, and lack of resources in the tech support dept finally caught up. Justice is served for the execs and for future customers, but woe to my ex-coworkers and to new PB customers seeking product support.
-Joshua Konopka