I move a lot. As such, I change ISP's a alot. My job does NOT provide me an email address for personal use, and I am NOT in college.
So a free email not attached to an ISP serves two very important functions: I don't have to spend additional money that I don't have, and I don't have to change email addresses every time I change ISP's.
Your assumptions are extreme overgeneralizations at best. Please realize that not everyone is YOU.
Sorry, but that's where you're dead wrong.
The Movie industry will soon become just as draconian at pursuing lawsuits as the RIAA is today. And the RIAA is being VERY sucessful - they have virtually limitless money to throw at the issue.
It's a scare tactic, but it's a valid and very feasible one that's proven to work. After all, haven't they virtually shut down the mod-chip market in gaming consoles through the same methodology?
WHY do companies continue to put up these artificial barriers? Why not simply call it a US company and have Napster US sell worldwide? Are the laws that screwed up?
Isn't that the point of the internet?
If we had MORE coordination like this from countries like Japan and China (who are the prime violaters of undercutting, sweat shops, etc), we might finally be able to level the playing field a bit more in the international trade arena.
Perhaps if the US and EU could work more closely together they could force our Pacific Rim and Asian counterparts to see that their unfair practices are not... appreciated.
To me, your view is terrifying. You're perfectly happy having the "headquarters" as it were in another country? The decision makers? Ask Daimler Chrysler... oh wait, sorry.... ask DAIMLER if their US employees are happy with the decisions being made to cut US jobs while increasing engineering positions in Germany. I dare ya. Go on, do it.
Losing manufacturing jobs isn't as scary as losing the intellectual positions that require education. For obvious reasons. Or do you WANT to turn into a third world country of laborers who can't afford their own products?
I'm sorry. What is outsourcing? It's moving jobs to places that can compete more effectively, due to lower overhead.
What do you think happens to all the jobs when the US loses an industry, say the consumer electronics market? Those jobs are just as efficiently outsourced as any programming job. They just don't get a little note saying "sorry, we shipped your job to India".
Why did we lose those consumer electronics jobs? Because the labor and engineering was done as places with far less overhead. Effectively, they were outsourced. Go ahead and argue semantics if you like.
This is nothing new. There's just a whole batch of 20 and 30-somethings that seem to think they're doing something extraodinarily different that what's gone on for the last 50 years, and they're being introduced to the cold hard boom-stick of reality.
I'm not surprised, at Age 22, that you don't know how the world works. Yeah, flamebait me for that comment, but it's the truth.
You realize that each manufacturing plant takes literally dozens of engineers to run? And supporting those engineers in the plants are hundreds more in other places? What that means, is that as we buy more imports, and reduce the goods sold here, we not only outsource manufacturing jobs, but you also outsource the engineering jobs that support them, and the local plant level, and then later on the national level.
White collar jobs are engineers. You know, salaried engineers. The guys who sit behind the desks and do design work, planning, volumes, layouts.....
Hold on now. The INDUSTRY may be growing, but that doesn't mean the US portion of it is growing. In fact, the US companies continue to lose market share, even now. Since we're talking about US companies and US company's marketshare, talking about the industry as a whole and including the Japanese is pretty disingenuous, even if they do have plants here.
The money, and the engineering dollars, go back to Japan.
I'd wager that the person who submitted that article is probably about 25 years old, and not a student of history. Let me explain.
We were pushed out of the consumer electronics industry by the Japanese before the end of the 80's. 10's of thousands of white collar jobs were lost. Likewise, we were pushed out of textiles, steel, and many many other goods.
In the early 70's all the way up till now we've seen a steady decline of the auto industry, and the ONE THIRD of the country's economy that the auto industry directly or indirectly touches.
There are many other examples. Read your history and learn about it. Or you'll be certain to repeat it.
You whiny little children need to stop clapping your hands as American companies take it on the chin in foreign countries. If only our government protected US this well.
You folks do realize the reality of the situation, right? This has nothing to do with a monopoly.
Japanese culture makes behind-the-scenes dealings and agreements in america look like childs play. Their corporations LIVE on undercutting the competition by selling below cost to build market share, and the make monolithic groups of hundred of companies banded together to absorb those costs.
This has NOTHING to do with a monopoly. Much as the European Union, Korea, China, and elsewhere had nothing to do with monopolies. You are watching Microsoft's death warrant being signed and you don't even realize it.
Those countries are doing the equivalent of the US FINALLY cracking down on the Japanese car companies that subsidize lower costs through government finance and taxes - telling them to go home. What all these Euro-asian countries are doing is STEALING THEIR HOME MARKETS BACK. They simply can't stand having foreign companies being the driving force in their own economies, and the US government cracking down on Microsoft. If you don't think all the effort the US Government put into tieing up Microsofts finances and hurting their stock priced was HEAVILY lobbied by foreign interests, you're insane.
You're all clapping as one of the few great American money makers is put on life support.
The units that were sold to distribution WERE NOT FAULTY. A contract fell through, they had extra drives, and they sold them to customers. It happens every day, all the time.
That's not damning. It's everyday business in thousands of companies. It appears here that there are an awful lot of people trying to hang IBM with no good reason.
10,000 vs 1,000 DPM? In the auto industry that's a different between world class (13 PPM) and NORMAL SUPPLIERS, at 100 PPM. Hardly damning there either is it?
So what do we have here? We have another set of ligating fools who don't understand manufacturing. Tell me.... how about every time we find a bug in a program, we count that as a defect, and multiply it by the number of programs in the field? Think you'd come anywhere close to only 13 PPM defect rate? Um.. nope.
So what were saying is that modern manufacturing has a quality record FAR better than that of modern programming, and yet because people don't understand engineering and manufacturing, they're going to litigate.
Let me give you some more statistics. Are you aware that ONE IN FOUR ENGINES built by ALL the manufacturers ends up being repaired before it leaves an engine plant?
Are you aware that on a car, you're expected to have at least 4 NOTICEABLE failures of equipment before you hit 30,000 miles?
But hell, let's litigate, because we don't have the FAINTEST clue how real manufacturing works. We expect 100% quality all the time.
Sad folks. Just sad. The only thing I see in those letters are engineers who KNOW their product is not as good as the competitors. And marketing not advertising defects is hardly a new thing.
I don't think that free speech requires anonimity.
Putting a warranty on an email would, effectively, be saying "I value what I am saying and truthfully believe it". Basically, you add accountability.
If you don't want to be accountable for your speech, if you don't think you can possibly defend what you say, should you be saying it at all?
What harsh lesson learned? If you mean the one where all these folks who uncapped get their balls legally cut off, then yeah... I suppose you're right.
I suspect (Any EE backup here?) that the 2.4 Ghz range at low wattage will do NOTHING to 10's of thousands of volts operating in the 60hz range.
Otherwise (I realize, different band, etc) cell phone towers would already be screwing up power lines.
Disposable DVD: $7
Matinee with Friends: $5.25
Renting the Same Movie: $2
Realizing your stock will soon be valued below the cost of one of your disposable DVD's: Priceless.
A "Right"?
Did I really just hear you say you have the "Right" to complain becuase you lost a job?
You say that keep your children and wife in clothes and a house has nothing to do with ego. You are right. But the idea that ANY job is below, has too low a wage, or doesn't give you enough benefits.... that is completely ego driven.
It's all about a society in the US (as you have so obviously shown) of unrealistic expectations and incredibly overblown egos. But the overblowing of egos is so large, and so widespread, that you don't even realize it's happened.
You don't have a right to any job. A college education does not give you the right to expect any salary. You do not have any economic rights at all.
Wake up smell the coffee. In a world where Americans live better than probably 80% of the people in the world (SWAG there, but probably close) there will and IS going to be a normalization.
Learn to cope.
>>They're going to attack you. You're going to be
>>sorry you ever did this. From our standpoint,
>>it becomes a question of whether you're going
>>to protect your rights or back down from a set
>>of folks you believe are going to come after
>>you with pitchforks.
Wow This guy is good. He went from villification to implying that the open source community was going to make threats against him. Pitchforks? A wonderful reference to a disorganized mob with no real legal power. Not a reference made by accident.
>>the Unix intellectual property that wasn't
>>being optimized.
Isn't this an admission that they hadn't been previously enforcing their property rights? Isn't there some law about continually defending your property, rather than waiting until it's so entrenched it can't be removed, THEN going after it?
>>In concept it was great, it wasn't until
>>December when we came out and said here's where
>>the problems are with Linux, and we have a
>>program where you can deal with that.
Am I being obtuse here? Have they (SCO) EVER clearly stated where the problems are? In point of fact, they told IBM to provide all the evidence of how IBM infringed.
>>A: It seemed everyone in the industry was
>>either positive or neutral to that, except for
So - the open source community is NOT part of the industry. Neither are the other companies that have spoken account against this. Linus Torvalds is NOT part of the industry. And all those letters that weren't returned or responded to... that folks, is called a neutral response.
>>IBM. IBM had a violent reaction to it, even
>>though it wasn't targeted directly at them.
Wait. They're sueing IBM. Then in the same breath, saying it isn't targetted at them. I'm confused.
>>Their whole issue was, "We don't want you out
>>there implicating there are IP issues
Go figure. SCO has never shown or proven any issues exist!
>>could work together, and that didn't get
>>anywhere. Then we started looking into the
So "Pay me or I'll litigate" is called working together. I'll have to remember that. So all the customers who won in the Firestone cases were working WITH Firestone and Ford.
>>of 2003, and we went ahead and announced our
>>libraries program [design to license SCO
We haven't proven anything. We've pissed off alot of people. Now we're going to announce a licensing program centering on what we haven't proven.
>>[An IBM spokesman said in a written statement
>>that IBM will not debate through the media a
>>matter that's in litigation. He added that as
My god. An intelligent response from a company not trying to play up to the press. Imagine.
>>A: When I returned home, I found that IBM had
>>withdrawn its support of our Unix business....
So SCO threatens litigation, tries to extort money, and is suprised when they lose the business.
>>called Messman that night and dropped the news
>>on him.... When we had those copyrights in
>>hand, that's what made the whole case on the
>>Linux side much stronger.
An mysterious amendment that Novell claims they never saw proves all of SCO's case. Priceless.
>>Q: Where do you go next?
>>A: Where we go next is down the end user side
>>of enforcing our copyrights. We came out last
>>summer and put out some code that the Linux
>>community on one hand said, preposterous,
>>that's [Berkeley software]. On the other hand,
>>some people in the Linux community said, hold
>>on, you may have some copyright issues
>>there....
Ahahahaha. WHO in the linux community, Mr. Mcbridge? If you are going to implicate a community in potentially incriminating themselves, let us know who.
>>There are 2.5 million servers out
>>there today that have this code in it. When are
>>Linux customers going to clean that stuff up?
>>So that's one issue, Linux is tainted, even by
>>their own adm
Re:Press release is kind of funny...
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News from Mars
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· Score: 5, Funny
Thank you for pointing that out. I was waiting for someone to do it - and you did in a much better way than I could of.
Seems like the ESA has a serious case of American Penis Envy. Scratch that. The whole damn EU seems to have it.
Why does every clipping have to mention how they are doing it "better" than Americans are.....
Yeah ok. I wonder if I can find a part of Mars no one has mapped, look at it with my Telescope, then make some grandiose statement about how the ESA's piece of shit probe missed this or that particular feature.......
Rather shortsighted of slashdot posters....
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Senator Plans P2P Summit
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· Score: 3, Interesting
I think alot of the posters here are being short sighted. Let's try to translate or summarize the major point of the article.
Legislation hasn't worked and we need a better avenue.
That is the CRUX of the matter.
The point is that they still believe file sharing is WRONG and are looking for ways beyond legislation to stop it.
What exactly do you think they'll come up with? Magical pellicans that fly down and scoop up your computer if you happen to break the law? Um... no...
What will eventually come from this gathering of experts is mandated and likely uniform DRM architecture / standards that ALL new hardware must incorporate, much like the broadcasting bit you've seen with the digital TV sets.
I'll try to break this to you gently. The top 10% of money earners in this country are hardly IT professionals. They're company and corporate CEO's and owners.
If you don't think hourly line workers in the automotive industry who make WELL into 6 digit salarys are a significant portion of this tax base, then you've never seen the UAW treat their reps to a week in Vegas for a "Solidarity" conference.
I hate to tell you this, but the average line worker in an automotive facility makes far more than the average engineer working "up front", especially when you factor in their far superior benefits.
And of course those are somehow more important than:
Steel Workers
Automotive Industry
Consumer Electronics
High End Electronics
Don't you folks get it? This has happened to dozens of industries already. Just because it's finally happening to the tech industry doesn't mean it's any more important than the dozens of other times it's happened.
You shouldn't expect the government to react any differently now than they have in the past to the dozens of lost industries.
I think you may be operating under the illusion that this is something that Bush is against.
I'm sorry, but his party and his political views support free trade. India and other Asian countries are simply doing what Mexico, Taiwan, and China have been doing for years in other markets.
Why do you think it's suddenly so earth shattering? It's a natural progression of a commodity to move to markets with lower overhead costs. Like pay rates.
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No.
I move a lot. As such, I change ISP's a alot. My job does NOT provide me an email address for personal use, and I am NOT in college.
So a free email not attached to an ISP serves two very important functions: I don't have to spend additional money that I don't have, and I don't have to change email addresses every time I change ISP's.
Your assumptions are extreme overgeneralizations at best. Please realize that not everyone is YOU.
Sorry, but that's where you're dead wrong. The Movie industry will soon become just as draconian at pursuing lawsuits as the RIAA is today. And the RIAA is being VERY sucessful - they have virtually limitless money to throw at the issue. It's a scare tactic, but it's a valid and very feasible one that's proven to work. After all, haven't they virtually shut down the mod-chip market in gaming consoles through the same methodology?
WHY do companies continue to put up these artificial barriers? Why not simply call it a US company and have Napster US sell worldwide? Are the laws that screwed up? Isn't that the point of the internet?
If we had MORE coordination like this from countries like Japan and China (who are the prime violaters of undercutting, sweat shops, etc), we might finally be able to level the playing field a bit more in the international trade arena.
Perhaps if the US and EU could work more closely together they could force our Pacific Rim and Asian counterparts to see that their unfair practices are not... appreciated.
To me, your view is terrifying. You're perfectly happy having the "headquarters" as it were in another country? The decision makers? Ask Daimler Chrysler... oh wait, sorry.... ask DAIMLER if their US employees are happy with the decisions being made to cut US jobs while increasing engineering positions in Germany. I dare ya. Go on, do it.
Losing manufacturing jobs isn't as scary as losing the intellectual positions that require education. For obvious reasons. Or do you WANT to turn into a third world country of laborers who can't afford their own products?
I'm sorry. What is outsourcing? It's moving jobs to places that can compete more effectively, due to lower overhead.
What do you think happens to all the jobs when the US loses an industry, say the consumer electronics market? Those jobs are just as efficiently outsourced as any programming job. They just don't get a little note saying "sorry, we shipped your job to India".
Why did we lose those consumer electronics jobs? Because the labor and engineering was done as places with far less overhead. Effectively, they were outsourced. Go ahead and argue semantics if you like.
This is nothing new. There's just a whole batch of 20 and 30-somethings that seem to think they're doing something extraodinarily different that what's gone on for the last 50 years, and they're being introduced to the cold hard boom-stick of reality.
I'm not surprised, at Age 22, that you don't know how the world works. Yeah, flamebait me for that comment, but it's the truth.
You realize that each manufacturing plant takes literally dozens of engineers to run? And supporting those engineers in the plants are hundreds more in other places? What that means, is that as we buy more imports, and reduce the goods sold here, we not only outsource manufacturing jobs, but you also outsource the engineering jobs that support them, and the local plant level, and then later on the national level.
White collar jobs are engineers. You know, salaried engineers. The guys who sit behind the desks and do design work, planning, volumes, layouts.....
Your view of white collar is extremely limited.
Hold on now. The INDUSTRY may be growing, but that doesn't mean the US portion of it is growing. In fact, the US companies continue to lose market share, even now. Since we're talking about US companies and US company's marketshare, talking about the industry as a whole and including the Japanese is pretty disingenuous, even if they do have plants here.
The money, and the engineering dollars, go back to Japan.
Oh really?
I'd wager that the person who submitted that article is probably about 25 years old, and not a student of history. Let me explain.
We were pushed out of the consumer electronics industry by the Japanese before the end of the 80's. 10's of thousands of white collar jobs were lost. Likewise, we were pushed out of textiles, steel, and many many other goods.
In the early 70's all the way up till now we've seen a steady decline of the auto industry, and the ONE THIRD of the country's economy that the auto industry directly or indirectly touches.
There are many other examples. Read your history and learn about it. Or you'll be certain to repeat it.
Japanese motto: Business is war.
You whiny little children need to stop clapping your hands as American companies take it on the chin in foreign countries. If only our government protected US this well.
You folks do realize the reality of the situation, right? This has nothing to do with a monopoly.
Japanese culture makes behind-the-scenes dealings and agreements in america look like childs play. Their corporations LIVE on undercutting the competition by selling below cost to build market share, and the make monolithic groups of hundred of companies banded together to absorb those costs.
This has NOTHING to do with a monopoly. Much as the European Union, Korea, China, and elsewhere had nothing to do with monopolies. You are watching Microsoft's death warrant being signed and you don't even realize it.
Those countries are doing the equivalent of the US FINALLY cracking down on the Japanese car companies that subsidize lower costs through government finance and taxes - telling them to go home. What all these Euro-asian countries are doing is STEALING THEIR HOME MARKETS BACK. They simply can't stand having foreign companies being the driving force in their own economies, and the US government cracking down on Microsoft. If you don't think all the effort the US Government put into tieing up Microsofts finances and hurting their stock priced was HEAVILY lobbied by foreign interests, you're insane.
You're all clapping as one of the few great American money makers is put on life support.
The units that were sold to distribution WERE NOT FAULTY. A contract fell through, they had extra drives, and they sold them to customers. It happens every day, all the time.
That's not damning. It's everyday business in thousands of companies. It appears here that there are an awful lot of people trying to hang IBM with no good reason. 10,000 vs 1,000 DPM? In the auto industry that's a different between world class (13 PPM) and NORMAL SUPPLIERS, at 100 PPM. Hardly damning there either is it? So what do we have here? We have another set of ligating fools who don't understand manufacturing. Tell me.... how about every time we find a bug in a program, we count that as a defect, and multiply it by the number of programs in the field? Think you'd come anywhere close to only 13 PPM defect rate? Um.. nope. So what were saying is that modern manufacturing has a quality record FAR better than that of modern programming, and yet because people don't understand engineering and manufacturing, they're going to litigate. Let me give you some more statistics. Are you aware that ONE IN FOUR ENGINES built by ALL the manufacturers ends up being repaired before it leaves an engine plant? Are you aware that on a car, you're expected to have at least 4 NOTICEABLE failures of equipment before you hit 30,000 miles? But hell, let's litigate, because we don't have the FAINTEST clue how real manufacturing works. We expect 100% quality all the time. Sad folks. Just sad. The only thing I see in those letters are engineers who KNOW their product is not as good as the competitors. And marketing not advertising defects is hardly a new thing.
I don't think that free speech requires anonimity. Putting a warranty on an email would, effectively, be saying "I value what I am saying and truthfully believe it". Basically, you add accountability. If you don't want to be accountable for your speech, if you don't think you can possibly defend what you say, should you be saying it at all?
What harsh lesson learned? If you mean the one where all these folks who uncapped get their balls legally cut off, then yeah... I suppose you're right.
I suspect (Any EE backup here?) that the 2.4 Ghz range at low wattage will do NOTHING to 10's of thousands of volts operating in the 60hz range. Otherwise (I realize, different band, etc) cell phone towers would already be screwing up power lines.
Disposable DVD: $7 Matinee with Friends: $5.25 Renting the Same Movie: $2 Realizing your stock will soon be valued below the cost of one of your disposable DVD's: Priceless.
A "Right"? Did I really just hear you say you have the "Right" to complain becuase you lost a job? You say that keep your children and wife in clothes and a house has nothing to do with ego. You are right. But the idea that ANY job is below, has too low a wage, or doesn't give you enough benefits.... that is completely ego driven. It's all about a society in the US (as you have so obviously shown) of unrealistic expectations and incredibly overblown egos. But the overblowing of egos is so large, and so widespread, that you don't even realize it's happened. You don't have a right to any job. A college education does not give you the right to expect any salary. You do not have any economic rights at all. Wake up smell the coffee. In a world where Americans live better than probably 80% of the people in the world (SWAG there, but probably close) there will and IS going to be a normalization. Learn to cope.
ROFLMAO
Maybe someday your text window will recognize carraige returns.
>>They're going to attack you. You're going to be >>sorry you ever did this. From our standpoint, >>it becomes a question of whether you're going >>to protect your rights or back down from a set >>of folks you believe are going to come after >>you with pitchforks. Wow This guy is good. He went from villification to implying that the open source community was going to make threats against him. Pitchforks? A wonderful reference to a disorganized mob with no real legal power. Not a reference made by accident. >>the Unix intellectual property that wasn't >>being optimized. Isn't this an admission that they hadn't been previously enforcing their property rights? Isn't there some law about continually defending your property, rather than waiting until it's so entrenched it can't be removed, THEN going after it? >>In concept it was great, it wasn't until >>December when we came out and said here's where >>the problems are with Linux, and we have a >>program where you can deal with that. Am I being obtuse here? Have they (SCO) EVER clearly stated where the problems are? In point of fact, they told IBM to provide all the evidence of how IBM infringed. >>A: It seemed everyone in the industry was >>either positive or neutral to that, except for So - the open source community is NOT part of the industry. Neither are the other companies that have spoken account against this. Linus Torvalds is NOT part of the industry. And all those letters that weren't returned or responded to... that folks, is called a neutral response. >>IBM. IBM had a violent reaction to it, even >>though it wasn't targeted directly at them. Wait. They're sueing IBM. Then in the same breath, saying it isn't targetted at them. I'm confused. >>Their whole issue was, "We don't want you out >>there implicating there are IP issues Go figure. SCO has never shown or proven any issues exist! >>could work together, and that didn't get >>anywhere. Then we started looking into the So "Pay me or I'll litigate" is called working together. I'll have to remember that. So all the customers who won in the Firestone cases were working WITH Firestone and Ford. >>of 2003, and we went ahead and announced our >>libraries program [design to license SCO We haven't proven anything. We've pissed off alot of people. Now we're going to announce a licensing program centering on what we haven't proven. >>[An IBM spokesman said in a written statement >>that IBM will not debate through the media a >>matter that's in litigation. He added that as My god. An intelligent response from a company not trying to play up to the press. Imagine. >>A: When I returned home, I found that IBM had >>withdrawn its support of our Unix business.... So SCO threatens litigation, tries to extort money, and is suprised when they lose the business. >>called Messman that night and dropped the news >>on him.... When we had those copyrights in >>hand, that's what made the whole case on the >>Linux side much stronger. An mysterious amendment that Novell claims they never saw proves all of SCO's case. Priceless. >>Q: Where do you go next? >>A: Where we go next is down the end user side >>of enforcing our copyrights. We came out last >>summer and put out some code that the Linux >>community on one hand said, preposterous, >>that's [Berkeley software]. On the other hand, >>some people in the Linux community said, hold >>on, you may have some copyright issues >>there.... Ahahahaha. WHO in the linux community, Mr. Mcbridge? If you are going to implicate a community in potentially incriminating themselves, let us know who. >>There are 2.5 million servers out >>there today that have this code in it. When are >>Linux customers going to clean that stuff up? >>So that's one issue, Linux is tainted, even by >>their own adm
Thank you for pointing that out. I was waiting for someone to do it - and you did in a much better way than I could of. Seems like the ESA has a serious case of American Penis Envy. Scratch that. The whole damn EU seems to have it. Why does every clipping have to mention how they are doing it "better" than Americans are..... Yeah ok. I wonder if I can find a part of Mars no one has mapped, look at it with my Telescope, then make some grandiose statement about how the ESA's piece of shit probe missed this or that particular feature.......
I think alot of the posters here are being short sighted. Let's try to translate or summarize the major point of the article.
Legislation hasn't worked and we need a better avenue.
That is the CRUX of the matter.
The point is that they still believe file sharing is WRONG and are looking for ways beyond legislation to stop it.
What exactly do you think they'll come up with? Magical pellicans that fly down and scoop up your computer if you happen to break the law? Um... no...
What will eventually come from this gathering of experts is mandated and likely uniform DRM architecture / standards that ALL new hardware must incorporate, much like the broadcasting bit you've seen with the digital TV sets.
Why are you rejoicing again?
I'll try to break this to you gently. The top 10% of money earners in this country are hardly IT professionals. They're company and corporate CEO's and owners.
If you don't think hourly line workers in the automotive industry who make WELL into 6 digit salarys are a significant portion of this tax base, then you've never seen the UAW treat their reps to a week in Vegas for a "Solidarity" conference. I hate to tell you this, but the average line worker in an automotive facility makes far more than the average engineer working "up front", especially when you factor in their far superior benefits.
And of course those are somehow more important than: Steel Workers Automotive Industry Consumer Electronics High End Electronics Don't you folks get it? This has happened to dozens of industries already. Just because it's finally happening to the tech industry doesn't mean it's any more important than the dozens of other times it's happened. You shouldn't expect the government to react any differently now than they have in the past to the dozens of lost industries.
I think you may be operating under the illusion that this is something that Bush is against. I'm sorry, but his party and his political views support free trade. India and other Asian countries are simply doing what Mexico, Taiwan, and China have been doing for years in other markets. Why do you think it's suddenly so earth shattering? It's a natural progression of a commodity to move to markets with lower overhead costs. Like pay rates.