Kinda like how many here would have us know how Linux is going to be ready to replace Windows anytime now? It's only been 1 or 2 years off for as long as I can remember being online. Maybe the HURD (yes, I know) is the holdup:D
OK, I'm exagerating as well, but Bush does have liberal tendancies.
Look at health care. National healthcare has not traditionally been something conservatives consider one of their corner stones. Small government is (remember, we're talking conservative here, not Republican). Bush created the Homeland Security Department. Bush doesn't have a balanced budget.
Bush does go both ways. The PATRIOT Act is most certainly not a liberal piece of legislation. Things like that used to be a way to differentiate liberal and conservative. Perhaps the burden that establishes conservatives has just moved left, but I (perhaps incorrectly) still cling to the pre-'94 ideal.
EXACTLY. Republicans (as a whole) haven't been conservative since Reagan. Republicans now tend to be about as liberal as Democrats were 25 years ago or so. The terms Republican and Democrat have no direct bearing on political philisophy. Thats how you have liberal Republicans, like Bush.
>> Let's not forget that when Windows came out, the >> Mac and the Amiga absolutely ruled the >> desktop GUI world.
You mean the cumulative total of eight, nine machines:P Seriously though, theres no way to make a platform that satisfies everyone. It could be reversed - 95% apple, 5% x86 on the client side. But there would be multiple platforms. Inversly, there likely _would_ be hundreds of flavors of *nix for the Mac, and only a few for x86.
Still hypothetical. It hasn't happened yet. And don't you think that percentage wise, there are enough geeks out there that will blantly refuse Longhorn based solely on that?
Furthermore, what makes you so sure MS is going to charge for those licenses? MS makes an enormouse amount of software free. As far as I'm concerned, the sheer volume of software available for Windows (From MS and third party) is largely whats ensured its continuing success. If they start charging for licenses, then all that software will cease to exist. Windows will be in the same camp as *nix, only there won't even be a compiler with Windows. That is bad for business - and though you may not agree with their policies, that has always been their attitude. They'll only fuck the customer when its good business, and this isn't.
And what makes you so sure, while speaking hypothetically, that non DRM-enabled components will cease to exist? As another poster pointed out, the modchip community for consoles is likely what will happen if they do disappear, but again, thats bad for business.
Even if all you say is right, even then, whats to prevent you from using the top of the line 2006-technology? Athlon-64:II 7200+? So you won't be able to compile for Longhorn. If its that bad, will you really want to? Technology will naturally plateu at that point until DRM is removed.
It works out either way. But I think the less paranoid version of the future is more likely, as everyone comes out ahead, both financially and in a usability way.
How exactly have other applications been locked out of Windows just by WMP being there? I have no problems at all getting iTunes to coexist quite merrily with WMP.
MS already does license DRM software for WMP. It's what almost all of the music stores save ITMS use.
Now, say the codecs for non-licensed music do get removed. So what? It only affects WMP users. So it's a non-issue.
What rights are being curtailed? Everything you pose is hypothetical, and as is, nothing is being denied. Your argument is that Microsoft chooses the defaults instead of asking - most of those who would be asked wouldn't know what to pick anyway.
Like there are really iTunes bottlecaps out there. I've been checking daily at different gas stations, and at least once a week at grocery stores. I haven't seen a single lid.
C and BASIC aren't even close, though. If you try to throw too much at a beginning programmer, say, C, they'll get overwhelmed and give up. There are likely hundreds of not thousands on this site who say "I learned to program in C, not only that, but we didn't have CRTs and keyboards, no sir, we chiseled our programs into rocks!" Lots of people need the simpler stuff, even if just as a stepping stone to something bigger. How does one translater QBasic's LOCATE into C? Do you really want to teach a beginning programmer ncurses? That's the advantage QBasic and HTML/CSS/JS/etc have - instant gratification that can mimick something greater.
Furthermore, people are not going to just jump to linux because they want to program. That's even worse than starting them off in C! You want to teach someone to getting a working install, learn the quirks of a given shell, and learn to program all at the same time?!? They're not even sure they're capable of programming yet!
Many people in this threat have suggested Flash as a replacement for the BASICs of yesteryear. What about VBA? It's arguablly better than QBasic, very powerful and very simple to use. Excel's implementation specifically seems very similar to VB's original implementation to me anyways, and it allows for instant gratification. People can bind a few command buttons to the IE activex control and make their mandatory web browser - does it seem to anyone else like this has replace hello world as the first Windows app? It's got a much lower initial timecost than linux, as well as being much easier than C, while also allowing someone to determine whether they actually like this "programming" or not.
Forgive my ramblings. It's late.
Netscape 7.x was grossly superior to 4.x. It undid N4's wrongdoing. But people still stayed away, because of Netscape's bad name. Same problem with Real. Even if the fix the (buffering...) slow (buffering...) content, and the over-bearing system options, it's still Real. They'd be better off moving the codecs over to a whole new app, if they're really so much better.
Sorry. Quicktime offers better quality. WMP just works better. Real needs to serious innovations to get back in the race. They still completly throw interface standards out the window. Even iTunes, with all its quirks, still sort of maintains standards.
Cool, I actually have one of these, up on a shelf on display. It still works, running DOS 5 with it's single 5.25" floppy. In all reality, though I never had or desired one, where is the original iMac on that list? It did save Apples ass and has got to be up there pretty high on the all-time best selling lists.
Yeah, when you can get a reburbished corporate class Thinkpad for ~ $500, a $750 Noname Celeron just doesn't have any appeal. Nor do I see how they could do an Athlon-M for $750. What about the Duron, was there a mobile version of that?
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We only pay for Audio CDs. Data CDs used as audio CDs don't have that cost.
Duh. What other music is there that's worth protecting?
So does that mean the CD-R Tax disappears?
/not canadian
Kinda like how many here would have us know how Linux is going to be ready to replace Windows anytime now? It's only been 1 or 2 years off for as long as I can remember being online. Maybe the HURD (yes, I know) is the holdup :D
Whoa. In "piece of legislation. Things like that" refers to the previous paragraph, not the PATRIOT Act. Can't believe I didn't catch that.
OK, I'm exagerating as well, but Bush does have liberal tendancies.
Look at health care. National healthcare has not traditionally been something conservatives consider one of their corner stones. Small government is (remember, we're talking conservative here, not Republican). Bush created the Homeland Security Department. Bush doesn't have a balanced budget.
Bush does go both ways. The PATRIOT Act is most certainly not a liberal piece of legislation. Things like that used to be a way to differentiate liberal and conservative. Perhaps the burden that establishes conservatives has just moved left, but I (perhaps incorrectly) still cling to the pre-'94 ideal.
EXACTLY. Republicans (as a whole) haven't been conservative since Reagan. Republicans now tend to be about as liberal as Democrats were 25 years ago or so. The terms Republican and Democrat have no direct bearing on political philisophy. Thats how you have liberal Republicans, like Bush.
Only if you're using DRM with Word, Excel and/or Powerpoint. Just disable DRM in '03 and then they work back as far as '97.
>> Let's not forget that when Windows came out, the
:P Seriously though, theres no way to make a platform that satisfies everyone. It could be reversed - 95% apple, 5% x86 on the client side. But there would be multiple platforms. Inversly, there likely _would_ be hundreds of flavors of *nix for the Mac, and only a few for x86.
>> Mac and the Amiga absolutely ruled the
>> desktop GUI world.
You mean the cumulative total of eight, nine machines
Still hypothetical. It hasn't happened yet. And don't you think that percentage wise, there are enough geeks out there that will blantly refuse Longhorn based solely on that?
Furthermore, what makes you so sure MS is going to charge for those licenses? MS makes an enormouse amount of software free. As far as I'm concerned, the sheer volume of software available for Windows (From MS and third party) is largely whats ensured its continuing success. If they start charging for licenses, then all that software will cease to exist. Windows will be in the same camp as *nix, only there won't even be a compiler with Windows. That is bad for business - and though you may not agree with their policies, that has always been their attitude. They'll only fuck the customer when its good business, and this isn't.
And what makes you so sure, while speaking hypothetically, that non DRM-enabled components will cease to exist? As another poster pointed out, the modchip community for consoles is likely what will happen if they do disappear, but again, thats bad for business.
Even if all you say is right, even then, whats to prevent you from using the top of the line 2006-technology? Athlon-64:II 7200+? So you won't be able to compile for Longhorn. If its that bad, will you really want to? Technology will naturally plateu at that point until DRM is removed.
It works out either way. But I think the less paranoid version of the future is more likely, as everyone comes out ahead, both financially and in a usability way.
How exactly have other applications been locked out of Windows just by WMP being there? I have no problems at all getting iTunes to coexist quite merrily with WMP. MS already does license DRM software for WMP. It's what almost all of the music stores save ITMS use. Now, say the codecs for non-licensed music do get removed. So what? It only affects WMP users. So it's a non-issue. What rights are being curtailed? Everything you pose is hypothetical, and as is, nothing is being denied. Your argument is that Microsoft chooses the defaults instead of asking - most of those who would be asked wouldn't know what to pick anyway.
Does that have a color screen? The pic doesn't look like it, but I don't see a definitive answer anywhere.
Like there are really iTunes bottlecaps out there. I've been checking daily at different gas stations, and at least once a week at grocery stores. I haven't seen a single lid.
/sucks being in New Mexico
C and BASIC aren't even close, though. If you try to throw too much at a beginning programmer, say, C, they'll get overwhelmed and give up. There are likely hundreds of not thousands on this site who say "I learned to program in C, not only that, but we didn't have CRTs and keyboards, no sir, we chiseled our programs into rocks!" Lots of people need the simpler stuff, even if just as a stepping stone to something bigger. How does one translater QBasic's LOCATE into C? Do you really want to teach a beginning programmer ncurses? That's the advantage QBasic and HTML/CSS/JS/etc have - instant gratification that can mimick something greater. Furthermore, people are not going to just jump to linux because they want to program. That's even worse than starting them off in C! You want to teach someone to getting a working install, learn the quirks of a given shell, and learn to program all at the same time?!? They're not even sure they're capable of programming yet! Many people in this threat have suggested Flash as a replacement for the BASICs of yesteryear. What about VBA? It's arguablly better than QBasic, very powerful and very simple to use. Excel's implementation specifically seems very similar to VB's original implementation to me anyways, and it allows for instant gratification. People can bind a few command buttons to the IE activex control and make their mandatory web browser - does it seem to anyone else like this has replace hello world as the first Windows app? It's got a much lower initial timecost than linux, as well as being much easier than C, while also allowing someone to determine whether they actually like this "programming" or not. Forgive my ramblings. It's late.
I tried XPDE on Gentoo - it was extremely buggy. Lots of apps wouldn't even start. It looked and felt right, but wasn't usable.
It seems like most fell from ~ $15 down to $10 at BestBuy (nationwide, as far as I know)
If the labels pay 2x, does that mean the costs of CDs will be going back up?
Netscape 7.x was grossly superior to 4.x. It undid N4's wrongdoing. But people still stayed away, because of Netscape's bad name. Same problem with Real. Even if the fix the (buffering...) slow (buffering...) content, and the over-bearing system options, it's still Real. They'd be better off moving the codecs over to a whole new app, if they're really so much better.
Sorry. Quicktime offers better quality. WMP just works better. Real needs to serious innovations to get back in the race. They still completly throw interface standards out the window. Even iTunes, with all its quirks, still sort of maintains standards.
Yup. I just downloaded the plugin last night so I could try out WA5, and it actually works fairly well. http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=1 57475&highlight=itunes
That only does M4P though, not M4A or the rest of 'em.
Cool, I actually have one of these, up on a shelf on display. It still works, running DOS 5 with it's single 5.25" floppy. In all reality, though I never had or desired one, where is the original iMac on that list? It did save Apples ass and has got to be up there pretty high on the all-time best selling lists.
Yeah, when you can get a reburbished corporate class Thinkpad for ~ $500, a $750 Noname Celeron just doesn't have any appeal. Nor do I see how they could do an Athlon-M for $750. What about the Duron, was there a mobile version of that?