I think I may know what the grandparent is talking about. I live in northeast pennsylvania, usa. There is this one intersection where the main road (2 lanes) curves off to the left at the traffic light. There is also another road at this intersection that bears slightly to the right. The traffic signal consists of two red/yellow/green lights. The one on the right side has a green arrow that points diagonally up and right (indicating that you have right-of-way to bear right onto that road. This light stays green-arrow even when the red light is lit. That tells me that traffic must stop for the red light to go on the main road (left) but has right-of-way to bear right.
A cop may possibly say that this green arrow is meant to allow you to drive into an entrance that is to the right of the intersection (turn right instead of bear right. But this entrance was not always there.
Speaking of mislabeled roads, there is also another location that is 2 lane one-way. In the past, the road was always labeled where the left lane must turn left, the right lane can turn both left or right. Recently it was repainted. Now the left lane is the same, and the right lane can ONLY turn right. However, every single car that goes through there uses both lanes to turn left. Additionally, it is not very convenient to have to switch to the left lane, turn left, and immediately move over 2 lanes to turn right onto the main road when you have 2 lanes of traffic behind you.
I'd like to keep our cat litter box in the basement, but we have had cats in the past who have gotten themselves into trouble going to the basement. They'd find some nail in a wall, or something to hurt themselves on.
That's a good point. However, windows customers have been screwed over by IE vulnerabilities for quite some time it seems. Yet, they keep going back. It should be fairly simple for a windows system to ship with a script that will grab the appropriate browser for the user. User buys a PC, plugs it in, and boots. Double click the "Connect to Internet" icon, and it launches a small app that asks the user to select a browser from a list, giving a description of each. Once the user selects one, the app uses FTP, or other tool, to download and install the selected browser for them. "Joe User" doesn't need to know that anything like FTP even exists. Just "Connect to Internet", "Let's try this browser."
Of course, getting Microsoft to pull IE out of the core system, and ship with an app like this, will probably never happen.
FYI, Win2kProf automatically reboots by default after BSOD's also.
I don't get any blue screens on Win2k Pro. I have Win2k Pro at work with a dual monitor setup. Often times when I come in in the morning, the system is completely frozen. The primary monitor is blank and the secondary monitor displays my wallpaper only. If I remember correctly, at this point, the mouse actually works, but I can't click anything and they keyboard does nothing (e.g., CTRL+ALT+DEL). No blue screen here. Just basically a blank stare from the OS.
hmm... good point. Perhaps they could put both NICs in their one computer, and netowrk those NICs together through the hub. Use local drives as network drives.:-P Why? I don't know. I guess for similar reasons as for running linux on an Xbox or Dreamcast.
Ok, maybe not a router, but I'm sure a hub would be cheaper. Even without that, if they don't have enough money to buy a couple NICs, how are they going to have enough to shell out $40 for this crippleware? Especially when they can get the full version for a few bucks. Save the money they'd have to spend on this "starter edition" and use it to buy a NIC or two and possibly a hub or something.
You could get a NIC for about $15 per PC, and it will probably even come with a cable. Plus a router (like linksys) for around $40. So you could probably network 3 or 4 PCs at least for the price of XP Pro.
Agreed. Not sure why so many people are flaming the idea. As I've said before, software does the same thing. Slackware 9, Slackware 10, Mandrake 9, 10, etc. Each is a baseline. Of course you can get any of these and customize it by adding more packages or rolling a new kernel, just like you can drop more RAM into a "Level 5" system. But the baseline versions can still be there for other users.
98SE isn't so bad. I use Gentoo myself, but I also have a Windows partition. It would be 98SE, except that I "upgraded" to XP Pro for my job. Although I use Gentoo for most day-to-day uses. My wife still uses 98SE though.:-)
Different distros of Linux are the same way. All the distros have icons, windows, some sort of task bar, "start menu" (K menu, Gnome Applications menus, etc.), system tray, clock, files, etc. However, many windows users don't want to use, or don't understand Linux because it is different. The same is true for a Mac. Macs and Linux distros may have the same or similar elements as Windows, but they are often located in different areas. There is a learning curve to move from one platform to another. The same can be said for some Windows versions (3.1 to 98, 98 to XP).
But why would the minimum requirements for level 5 have to change at all? Assign enough levels to cover the hardware in existence today. Say the highest level is level 5, for example. When new hardware comes out that is far enough past level 5 requirements, make a level 6. That's what happens with software. If you develop ApplicationX 1.0, add features to it, you then have ApplicationX 2.0 (or 1.1, 1.2, whatever, depending on how much you add). You don't reassign version 1.0 to the new specs.
I tend to agree here. Since Apple is the only manufacturer that makes Mac computers, they can standardize their hardware into each "level." That might not stop the problem of people dropping a bigger hard drive, or more RAM into a Mac, but at least there aren't other companies with their own idea of a "level X" Mac. Ordinary users that want to buy, say, a G5 can buy one, and it will be the same as all the other G5's out there. If you buy a P4 from Dell, it most likely will not be the same as a P4 from HP. (different RAM, HD, video, etc.) "Levels" may not be a bad idea for the average computer user. More technical users always have the ability to customize it to their needs.
I hate resolving dependecies..... Luckily it doesn't occur very often.
apt-get isn't the only thing that resolves dependencies. urpmi in Mandrake Linux does, as well as emerge in Gentoo. In my experience, both tools have done a good job at automatically finding and installing dependancies, even searching multiple mirrors for them. Besides, isn't apt-get ported (or being ported) to other distros? I seem to remember being able to install some version of apt in mandrake, or was it red hat? I have nothing against Debian (never having used it myself) but I seem to find a lot of people bragging about Debian because it has apt-get.
I've had the 2.6.x kernel install just fine on a dual boot setup (WinXP/Gentoo). The first time I installed Gentoo, I messed it up and the MBR got corrupted.... upon system boot up, after the initial RAM test and hard drive detection, I got something line 999999999999999999999999 IIRC and then it just locked up. However, I just booted up with a win98 boot disk and ran fdisk/MBR (I think that was the command) and XP's boot record was restored. It certainly can be restored.
everyone knows if something doesn't work right in Windows -- restart, it just might start mysteriously working again
Exactly. I used to work in tech support one summer in government, as well as for 4 years in a university setting. That is almost always the first thing we say when someone calls in about a computer problem. It's always reboot first, then try something else to fix it if that doesn't work.
Of course, it's not just failures that require a reboot in Windows. Most software installs that I have done in Windows require a reboot. Although there have been a few instances where it did not require reboot. Of the various Linux distros I've used, I can't think of a single software install that required a reboot (aside from a kernel build.) It used to be where in Windows you couldn't even change screen resolution without rebooting the entire system. At least that was fixed.
Because that is the way of things. Microsoft has decided that a web browser needs to be an integral part of the operating system, so that is what we all must use, and we will use it proudly.
Or just boot off KNOPPIX, run a terminal, 'mount/dev/hda5/mnt/windows && rm -rf/mnt/windows' then do a network install of Gentoo.:-P
As for Malware, I'm behind a firewall, and I don't use IE or Outlook so what do I care.
Do you use Windows Explorer? (i.e., "My Computer")? Isn't that the same thing as IE? Open "My Computer" and enter any Internet URL and it will open. So wouldn't Windows Explorer be vulnerable to the same vulnerabilities as IE? Of course, using Mozilla/Firefox and Thunderbird is a big help.
I think you probably could have posted your comment anyway. The mods may not even notice that it is a duplicate post and mod you insightful anyway. I've seen it happen before, usually within one or two posts of each other. Of course sometimes the first post might be modded insightful and the other interesting or something like that, even though they say the same thing.
Of course the email system will always be abused by some people who send out countless numbers of emails about using pills to enhance body parts or what have you. However, a large part of the email problem is viruses et. al being sent as an attachment to an email. Since when did email become a file transfer medium? Isn't that what File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is for?
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I think I may know what the grandparent is talking about. I live in northeast pennsylvania, usa. There is this one intersection where the main road (2 lanes) curves off to the left at the traffic light. There is also another road at this intersection that bears slightly to the right. The traffic signal consists of two red/yellow/green lights. The one on the right side has a green arrow that points diagonally up and right (indicating that you have right-of-way to bear right onto that road. This light stays green-arrow even when the red light is lit. That tells me that traffic must stop for the red light to go on the main road (left) but has right-of-way to bear right.
A cop may possibly say that this green arrow is meant to allow you to drive into an entrance that is to the right of the intersection (turn right instead of bear right. But this entrance was not always there.
Speaking of mislabeled roads, there is also another location that is 2 lane one-way. In the past, the road was always labeled where the left lane must turn left, the right lane can turn both left or right. Recently it was repainted. Now the left lane is the same, and the right lane can ONLY turn right. However, every single car that goes through there uses both lanes to turn left. Additionally, it is not very convenient to have to switch to the left lane, turn left, and immediately move over 2 lanes to turn right onto the main road when you have 2 lanes of traffic behind you.
I'd like to keep our cat litter box in the basement, but we have had cats in the past who have gotten themselves into trouble going to the basement. They'd find some nail in a wall, or something to hurt themselves on.
Why telnetd? Why not sshd? ssh is more secure.
That's a good point. However, windows customers have been screwed over by IE vulnerabilities for quite some time it seems. Yet, they keep going back. It should be fairly simple for a windows system to ship with a script that will grab the appropriate browser for the user. User buys a PC, plugs it in, and boots. Double click the "Connect to Internet" icon, and it launches a small app that asks the user to select a browser from a list, giving a description of each. Once the user selects one, the app uses FTP, or other tool, to download and install the selected browser for them. "Joe User" doesn't need to know that anything like FTP even exists. Just "Connect to Internet", "Let's try this browser."
Of course, getting Microsoft to pull IE out of the core system, and ship with an app like this, will probably never happen.
I don't get any blue screens on Win2k Pro. I have Win2k Pro at work with a dual monitor setup. Often times when I come in in the morning, the system is completely frozen. The primary monitor is blank and the secondary monitor displays my wallpaper only. If I remember correctly, at this point, the mouse actually works, but I can't click anything and they keyboard does nothing (e.g., CTRL+ALT+DEL). No blue screen here. Just basically a blank stare from the OS.
hmm... good point. Perhaps they could put both NICs in their one computer, and netowrk those NICs together through the hub. Use local drives as network drives. :-P Why? I don't know. I guess for similar reasons as for running linux on an Xbox or Dreamcast.
Ok, maybe not a router, but I'm sure a hub would be cheaper. Even without that, if they don't have enough money to buy a couple NICs, how are they going to have enough to shell out $40 for this crippleware? Especially when they can get the full version for a few bucks. Save the money they'd have to spend on this "starter edition" and use it to buy a NIC or two and possibly a hub or something.
You could get a NIC for about $15 per PC, and it will probably even come with a cable. Plus a router (like linksys) for around $40. So you could probably network 3 or 4 PCs at least for the price of XP Pro.
Agreed. Not sure why so many people are flaming the idea. As I've said before, software does the same thing. Slackware 9, Slackware 10, Mandrake 9, 10, etc. Each is a baseline. Of course you can get any of these and customize it by adding more packages or rolling a new kernel, just like you can drop more RAM into a "Level 5" system. But the baseline versions can still be there for other users.
98SE isn't so bad. I use Gentoo myself, but I also have a Windows partition. It would be 98SE, except that I "upgraded" to XP Pro for my job. Although I use Gentoo for most day-to-day uses. My wife still uses 98SE though. :-)
Different distros of Linux are the same way. All the distros have icons, windows, some sort of task bar, "start menu" (K menu, Gnome Applications menus, etc.), system tray, clock, files, etc. However, many windows users don't want to use, or don't understand Linux because it is different. The same is true for a Mac. Macs and Linux distros may have the same or similar elements as Windows, but they are often located in different areas. There is a learning curve to move from one platform to another. The same can be said for some Windows versions (3.1 to 98, 98 to XP).
But why would the minimum requirements for level 5 have to change at all? Assign enough levels to cover the hardware in existence today. Say the highest level is level 5, for example. When new hardware comes out that is far enough past level 5 requirements, make a level 6. That's what happens with software. If you develop ApplicationX 1.0, add features to it, you then have ApplicationX 2.0 (or 1.1, 1.2, whatever, depending on how much you add). You don't reassign version 1.0 to the new specs.
I tend to agree here. Since Apple is the only manufacturer that makes Mac computers, they can standardize their hardware into each "level." That might not stop the problem of people dropping a bigger hard drive, or more RAM into a Mac, but at least there aren't other companies with their own idea of a "level X" Mac. Ordinary users that want to buy, say, a G5 can buy one, and it will be the same as all the other G5's out there. If you buy a P4 from Dell, it most likely will not be the same as a P4 from HP. (different RAM, HD, video, etc.) "Levels" may not be a bad idea for the average computer user. More technical users always have the ability to customize it to their needs.
apt-get isn't the only thing that resolves dependencies. urpmi in Mandrake Linux does, as well as emerge in Gentoo. In my experience, both tools have done a good job at automatically finding and installing dependancies, even searching multiple mirrors for them. Besides, isn't apt-get ported (or being ported) to other distros? I seem to remember being able to install some version of apt in mandrake, or was it red hat? I have nothing against Debian (never having used it myself) but I seem to find a lot of people bragging about Debian because it has apt-get.
I've had the 2.6.x kernel install just fine on a dual boot setup (WinXP/Gentoo). The first time I installed Gentoo, I messed it up and the MBR got corrupted.... upon system boot up, after the initial RAM test and hard drive detection, I got something line 999999999999999999999999 IIRC and then it just locked up. However, I just booted up with a win98 boot disk and ran fdisk /MBR (I think that was the command) and XP's boot record was restored. It certainly can be restored.
What's wrong with Windows 98? My Win98 box works jus
Exactly. I used to work in tech support one summer in government, as well as for 4 years in a university setting. That is almost always the first thing we say when someone calls in about a computer problem. It's always reboot first, then try something else to fix it if that doesn't work.
Of course, it's not just failures that require a reboot in Windows. Most software installs that I have done in Windows require a reboot. Although there have been a few instances where it did not require reboot. Of the various Linux distros I've used, I can't think of a single software install that required a reboot (aside from a kernel build.) It used to be where in Windows you couldn't even change screen resolution without rebooting the entire system. At least that was fixed.
Because that is the way of things. Microsoft has decided that a web browser needs to be an integral part of the operating system, so that is what we all must use, and we will use it proudly.
Or just boot off KNOPPIX, run a terminal, 'mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows && rm -rf /mnt/windows' then do a network install of Gentoo. :-P
Do you use Windows Explorer? (i.e., "My Computer")? Isn't that the same thing as IE? Open "My Computer" and enter any Internet URL and it will open. So wouldn't Windows Explorer be vulnerable to the same vulnerabilities as IE? Of course, using Mozilla/Firefox and Thunderbird is a big help.
I'm still waiting for the 3-mouse button emulation patch for Windows 2000
Disclaimer: I only use Windows at work. My home system is Gentoo
I use a 2-button mouse you insensitive clod!
a gun (or phaser) isn't going to help if you are asleep when your stuff gets stolen.
I think you probably could have posted your comment anyway. The mods may not even notice that it is a duplicate post and mod you insightful anyway. I've seen it happen before, usually within one or two posts of each other. Of course sometimes the first post might be modded insightful and the other interesting or something like that, even though they say the same thing.
Of course the email system will always be abused by some people who send out countless numbers of emails about using pills to enhance body parts or what have you. However, a large part of the email problem is viruses et. al being sent as an attachment to an email. Since when did email become a file transfer medium? Isn't that what File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is for?