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Mandrake 10.1 Community Released
MohammedSameer writes "Mandrakesoft released MandrakeLinux 10.1 Community, As usual it's only available first to the club members
The new release features Kernel 2.6.8.1, Xorg-X11 6.7, KDE 3.2.3 with 3.3 as an install option,"
Does this actually matter? How many Madrake Users get their ISO's from Mandrake anyway? Torrents will probably have 10.1 within the day.
Open Source Sushi
My experience has been that you really need to be an enthusiast of this distro to bother installing the Community version of it. For some reason, I ended up with the Comminity version of 10.0 when downloading it via BitTorrent, and boy did it need some work. KDE crashing every ten seconds, weird bugs like the SDL segfault when the wacom tablet module (evdev) was loaded, etc.
Point being, don't try this out as a stable release. Only try it if you have time to kill and really want to see what Mandrake has done with their release this far. Otherwise, wait for the Official ISOs when they become availible to the public.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Anyone here in the Club? Is it worth it? I ran Mandrake but have been debating the value of it. Thanks ...
when i went from 10 - 10.1 i started having problems with my wireless card. about every other reboot it would not be recognized. at one point it was just totally gone so i did a reinstall. the problems started again. so i switched to suse 9.1, which is great. however i miss having the cooker urpmi stuff. apt will do.
i saw the baby, and the baby looked at me
currently i am using mandrake 10, and I dont mind waiting for 10.1.Sure I wanna have kernel 2.6xxx. But I dont care about kde3.3.xx etc. I can feel good about new gnome/kde version by looking those fancy screenshots itself.
But dont have enough time to kill, to compile/install it. its same as wasting time downloading 10.1 through torrents.
I started with MDK with 6.0 (*after my time with Red Hat 5.0*) and really loved it. After years of playing with it on the desktop and using it for an MP3 FTP server, I got tired of the RPM depenancy hell and I made the jump to Slackware. A few years of playing in Debian and now Gentoo, I feel I've learned a ton more than I did before, and with YUM and apt-rpm I think it may be time to install/try out this latest version on a sandbox for desktop testing.
I used to enjoy seeing what they 'smoothed out' over the prev release. The MDK Club turned me off as Deno started getting stinky about support for 'non-users' but I understand they're just trying to make a dollar (or euro in their case).
Regardless, nice to see a major Linux Distro still in the running.
CCBB
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I would like to see a partial distro, a yoper like base, less packages, more configuration.
Then a hole chunk (SuSE like) impors of packages. All required development for simple confmakemakeinstall's and perhaps simple walk throughs for these common actions. For newbies trying to get onto the bandwagon, this would be a diamond!
What was the thing you got stuck on at first? write it down, and think how you could solve it for another newbie.
Out of interest Moore's Law finally buried?
Ok enough shameless plug, it was for a good cause.
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Well, last time I checked, they are both Linux underneath.
Ok, I see that improved laptop support is one of the touted features here. My question is, how good is it?
/mbr' pained me!) but at least i can spend three and a half hours at a coffee shop without needing an outlet. cygwin takes the edge off, but its a bit like methadone if you asked me.
I just switched back to windows (rather painlessly, thanks to the excellent QtParted and, strangely enough, a windows ME boot disk [for an XP machine--needed to restore the MBR]). I can't tell you how greatly it pains me to do so--as far as i'm concerned, linux is ready for the desktop, and has been for some time. ACPI-based laptops though, are another story. I've been trying for weeks to get my battery life to come close to what's possible under windows, and while the Software suspend project seems to work for a lot of people, i could never get it to work on my laptop (or maybe just my kernel). I've tried various distributions, from suse to xandros to straight debian to knoppix and even the simpler ones such as DSL and none of them allow me to really use my laptop for more than about an hour (give or take a quarter) without plugging in, which is just unacceptable for my purposes.
So i finally gave up and dropped the linux partitions and reinstalled the boot sector (oh how that final 'fdisk
so anyway, for anyone who's tested and/or used the new version of MDK on a recent laptop, what's your experience with the ACPI support? Battery life? Suspend functionality? dare i ask--functional keys? (yes, i know that's not really related to acpi, but mandrake is generally pretty conscientious about things like that, i thought perhaps they might have integrated a solution.)
One of the best resources in the Mandrake community has been an individual called Texstar who ran a Linux news site called www.pclinuxonline.com and also in his spare time created RPM packages for Mandrake systems. Texstar's packages became justly famous and were widely used. Thanks to his efforts, many reallly nice RPMs were made available to the MDK commmunity, and eventually went into 9 and 10 from what I've heard. This kind of 'community support' is what I'm most happy with.
Thanks Texstar!
CB@#$
free ipod and free gmail!
Xorg 6.8 has already been released with some interesting features and enhancements (including the drop shadow and translucency eye candy!). I wonder why it wasnt included.
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I've been running the development version for a little time now, and AFAICS all show-stopper bugs have been properly squashed by now. It has been running quite smoothly for a few weeks now. However, as parent says: don't use it if you want something rock solid, wait for 10.1 Official. But if you want all the shiny brand new stuff, a streamlined install with an excellent hardware detection, and are not afraid of a few weird things happening now and then, then give it a try!
Gravitation is a theory, not a fact.
Also, it's easy to update to Xorg 6.8 for MDK users, and I think it's worth the trouble, especially to see those dropshadows. I'm somewhat surprised that MDK didn't wait for 6.8 to go into 10.1, but the dropshadow business isn't completely stable outside of GNOME, and they have to make a cut off soon.
Regardless, MDK users can update rather easily, just update your YUM repository!
CBV
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If their claims hold water, that is...
1. Centrino wireless support integrated, Wi-Fi roaming.
2. ACPI support - finally! I'm sick with rebooting the laptop.
But, good as it sounds, I'm still waiting for the Official.
This problem is common with the 2.6 kernel and has been verified in Mandrake 10.0 Community, Red Hat FC1, Red Hat FC2, and others.
/dev/hda, and of=(output dir) should point to where you want to save the bootsector as a file. Restore the MBR by reversing the input and output.
Read about it here.
Basically, if you touch the MBR with a 2.6 kernel bootloader, XP or Windows 2000 is gone, and can't be restored. So backup your MBR first by using
"dd if=(input device) of=/(output dir)/hda-img.mbr bs=512 count=1"
where if=(input device), should point to your first drive, eg.
Even if you do this to restore, your Windows partition may still be toast, depending on how much you messed with the partition table.
'Be always mindful, even when ditch-digging.' --D. T. Suzuki
Downmod please, they charge $6 for the download.
pretty good mirror (speed wise)l inux/de vel/iso/10.1/
http://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake
I'm going to see what new things are out on the Desktop.
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
Those two are pretty different : Mandrake is designed for the newcommer or someone who want to install a system in less than 30 minutes without being bothered by hardware problems (autodetection wizard). The obtained system is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed). Gentoo is tailored by the user himself which results in a longer installation (can be up to 2 days) process, and a minimum of automatisation (some kind of autodetection but you are encouraged to avoid it), all this in order to get the system you want (ie most of the time faster than any precompiled distros). To compare distros with cars Mandrake would be an easy to drive automatic and Gentoo would be a custom car ...
*nix is userfriendly
I'd say club membership is worth it, if you happen to prefer Mandrake as your primary distro. I appreciate the dedicated mirrors for club members quite a bit. Makes patch times much faster.
I also like the repositories for software that are available to club members. I have yet to find a piece of software out there that someone didn't turn into a Mandrake RPM, and the club mirrors seem to have it all. Sure, you can find them other places, too, but all in all it's nice to have everything in one place.
I'll pass then. That was the worst (as in, least reliable) 2.6 kernel drop so far! They should have used 2.6.7 which is rock solid.
Just use urpmi. Once you've setup your servers at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ it's a great solution, both the commandline version and the GUI tools.
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If you have anything but the latest hardware Gentoo is likely to take a week to install. It took me two days on my fancy Athlon 64, and I know of people on old hardware (386's or something) taking weeks.
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Then don't use a bleeding edge kernel, dipshit.
You got that backwards, if they DO run on a distro out of the box, its not worth your time.
Linux is to the internet as Duct Tape is to the Universe.
Anyone know how Mdk's finances look right now? They've been in some trouble.
Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
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Linux is free, right? If you got $6 and wanna support them, be my guest. But don't ask to censor people that offer a legitimate alternative.
That memory leak is nasty. I had to roll back my install to 2.6.7 because of the way it would slow down my system to sub-Pentium levels if I left it up for more than a few hours. I was starting to wonder if my IDE bus was blowing up on me when I'd try to burn audio cd's, and then I read about that leak which explained the slowdowns. So I would have to concur with the parent. 2.6.7 works just fine, but 2.6.8 should be skipped.
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Can someone explain how this is not a GPL violation? I assume that they will have source distributions available NOW!
I have always used the plain vanilla kernel.org kernels, compiled to my needs, no matter what the distro. If I need to download one of their kernels as a dependency, I simply emerge the sources but never compile or install it. If you have an existing kernel install with a source tree in /usr/src/linux* - if the kernels are within a couple of releases of each other you can usually get away with copying the .config over to your new (old) kernel tree and skip the 'make config/menuconfig/xconfig' portion of the install.
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Just emerge a gentoo-dev-sources 2.6.7 kernel and boot with it until a fixed 2.6.9 one comes out. What is the problem?
Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.
What an incredibly hypocritical position to take.
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ACPI works well on my desktop (as does software suspend, only one problem so far) but there are reports of laptops suffering beacuse of a lack of nolapic support. It's also worth noting that many machines come with poorly programmed BIOSes and need updates or extra code to have working ACPI. Why not try a LiveCD distro to test with until you find out you have support? It may also help if you pick a big vendor and report the issue to them so that they can track it and have you test fixes...
There is a magic word : dcc Stand for "Distant C compiler" if I remember well This dcc interface itself with the portage system allowing to compile on several computer at the same time. It is also available on certain mod of knoppix and on the gentoo livecd. This is the perfect solution for old hardware.
*nix is userfriendly
i've been running 10.0 official for some time now and dammit, kde 3.3 has been out for weeks now. where in the hell are the rpm's for mdk for kde 3.3???
Gaming is a real waste of computer resources and a human brain. If you want a really nice Linux distro, Mandrakelinux is it. If you want games, get a PS2 or Xbox.
[Mandrake] is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed).
/etc/hosts for my 3-machine home LAN) ... and the systems I do this cover most of the common gamut a normal person would need to bother with.
I'm curious what tools you're referring to. I'm far from any expert on any distro, but I've never had a problem dumping out to a console window, su'ing to root, and tweaking the odd config file by hand (mainly in that I still don't understand where some things are at in the mdk gui tools ; seems like I always have to hand-edit
Here is a cooker mailing list post refering to the bug being resolved.
The first rule of Mandrake club is that you DO NOT TALK about Mandrake club.
Shouldn't you be doing something else right now, Nick? Like studying??
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Oh, this is Mandrake and not Microsoft. Sorry, forget about it.
No thanks Mandrake, I've used you before and I didn't like you. I'll keep using my Redhat ;)
Oh, c'mon, I'm a mandrake booster myself but that was funny.
This is only an issue with a certain combination of BIOS and chipset (nForce2). I have both 2.6.x (x86) and 2.6.x (x86_64) set-up on my machine booting via GRUB and also loading Win2K on an NTFS partition.
Stop the FUD.
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The tools I was referring to were parts of the Mandrake control center. What I wanted to say is that those tools do not cover all the options of the config files (/etc), they only propose "the most used one". The problem is that those tools often consider to be the only process to be allowed to edit those files and crash if they found out that the file was manually edited. What I think is that these GUIs are great as long as you use only them. But what i like in Linux is that you can fiddle everywhere so I prefere not using them. I remember a "samba configuration tool" which systematically destroyed any manual config done to /etc/samba/smb.conf and that was not allowing the a proper config ... as the computers were given to others to use these tools had to be disabled in order to avoid any : "oh what does this pretty icons do?" click "Answer : wreck havock in your network shares!"
There were also some really funny (the 10 first times only) videocard detection tools that would keep on bringing back the options they wanted me to use (it was on a stereoscopic system and each time I was connecting a second display the detection system would remove the stereoscopic options ....)
*nix is userfriendly
"RPM-based distro problem"
Jesus, if you're this clueless, don't say things out loud. Just think them to yourself and use Google. I'm embarrassed *for* you.
I believe you mean distcc -- distributed C compiler. It acts as a front-end for the local compiler which does load-sharing for compiling on multiple machines.
Especially for Gentoo, it's invaluable.
Hehe, good job
Just put
/etc/portage/package.mask file (if the directory doesn't exist just create it). Then emerge development-sources. The ebuild will download everything to /usr/src/linux-X.X.X, but you'll have to do a normal "make menuconfig ..." (unless you use genkernel).
>=sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.8
into your
Well, the K3b news page says 0.11.5 (mostly) fixes writer detection in 2.6.9 and up, though I'm not sure why 2.6.8 isn't included there.
I didn't know they were being held hostage.
I blame Microsoft.
I have an nForce2, so that 'FUD' is accurate for me, and helpful information.
It doesn't apply to everyone, but it's still a valid complaint and (as others have said) totally unacceptable.
Did they fix the problem with the Kernel that keeps it from recognizing the CD Rom drives in certain newer Dell servers? I had to dump my use of Mandrake because this bug. I was able to use Fedora's install just fine so I've since switched to it :-\
The rpms would be on your system, if you would get off your ass and make them, instead of whining on Slashdot.
Beg to differ, it isn't limited to the Nforce2 chipset. My board is a VIA KT333.
This is old news, and has been fixed. This post smells strongly of a repost troll
Yeah, with a link to goat.cx . Someone mod this guy down. We do like to have our fun with newcomers to Slashdot but this isn't appropriate. (Yeah, yeah, I know it's not goatse.cx, it's goat.cx, probably because goatse.cx was unilaterally shut down.)
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
[GPG key in journal]
The site loadux.com is a pay service ($6.99) not actually associated with Mandrake. In other words, you pay them for something Mandrake will soon be releasing to everyone for free, and Mandrake gets nothing.
You want the new Mandrake NOW NOW NOW? You've got six choices:
1) Get a club membership. You get tons of apps prepackaged as Mandrake RPMs and dedicated mirrors, too.
2) Make a friend with someone who already has a club membership. Nothing wrong with making copies of the CDs.
3) Learn the art of patience, and wait for the general release.
4) Download the current Cooker. It's gonna be essentially the same.
5) Download the sources and compile it yourself. Pain in the butt, but no one ever said the GPL means they have to provide you binaries, only source.
6) Pay these guys $6.99 to download the images from them. Please note: This option will automatically make you an asshat.
I used to be a loyal Mandrake fan up to the release of 9.2 but 10 destroyed every gain Mandrake ever made. Ethernet configuration and networking was broken at the most basic level with cards that worked with 9.2. It wasn't fixed and I gave up. Fedora has never given me such problems.
The obtained system is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed)
This is a false statement.
All GUI config tools ("wizzards") can be bypassed... modifying text config files.
Also, most of GUI config tools have a text-version as well.
MandrakeLinux is also a good Linux distribution for those Linux old dogs (like myself) that do not need to prove "31337ness". I already have succesfully installed and used LFS and Slackware (last century, when it came in floppies).
I do not need to endure the pain anymore. My time is more valuable than to missuse it wasting time in a 2-day install and 10-day configure. I just need to use any Linux distribution.
Peace
You can get a patch from these guys
It's 6 bucks for a mirror.
You aren't supporting linux developers you are supporting the site for their use of bandwidth. Not exactly a non-profit endeavor.
Donate to the projects you like and download for free or borrow a disc from a friend. Of course if you are going to pay, just buy from the distro creator.
http://www.linuxiso.org/
Get your Unix fortune now!
My board doesn't use nForce2, and yet I was affected.
Sorry to tell you this, but you are wrong.
I mainly paid for it to get support. But I never got a single question answered. I also agree that it is best to avoid the Community Editions. I had a lot of instability problems that went away with the stable 10.0 release. And that is available for free from a lot of sites that ain't French!
losetup -e AES
was broken in 10.0
Chatter on the mailing lists refered to the 2.6 kernel not supporting the encryption modules--or something--I never really understood the issue.
Neither could I figure out whether or not
- it is fixed
- they think it is fixed
- they intend to fix it
- they think it can be fixed
I'm running mdk 10.0 (I support them via the club) on an Acer Aspire 2010.
:-(
I have to say, I managed to get "most" things working, but boy, it was not an easy process compared to Windows.
My experiences:
(1) Out of the box, it did not grok the widescreen format of the laptop display. Not too hard to fix - had to mess with XF86Config-4.
(2) OOTB, power management support was almost nonexistant. I found some laptop-mode scripts, but even those didn't do what I wanted (such as stepping the CPU speed down). I managed, after a lot of hair pulling, to get this working tolerably by rewriting the laptop mode scripts. It involved a lot of playing around to see which processes were spinning up the disks, so I could stop those when going to AC power, fixing bits of the scripts that just didn't work, figuring out how to control the CPU speed via proc FS, and so forth. I must have spent a solid half a day on this. I almost gave up.
(3) Sleep and suspend do not work at all, or rather, the laptop hangs when coming out of those modes. I believe the issue is actually that I use XFS for my filesystem, and it somehow doesn't work with sleep and suspend.
(4) OOTB, I had no networking support at all. I found real Linux drivers for the ethernet card, which work fine. The only way I've got the wireless to work is by some ndiswrapper thing that wraps the Windows drivers, but if you use this for too long, the laptop hangs! Also it doesn't seem to support encryption, so my WAP is running wide open
It's been a long road, and Linux is definately not "ready for prime time" on the laptop, but on the plus side, after investing the time, I do have most things working in a tolerable way.
Hope that helps answer your question. I'm a huge Linux fan and run it on all my systems, but boy, we have a LONG ways to go before Joe Public can just grab it and install it on his random laptop. (Well, you _can_ - it'll boot - as long as you don't care about details such as having networking and support for your widescreen LCD).
As most of the posters have already mentioned, ACPI, does not owrk perfectly in most of the distros. ....
I was having the same problem as you mentioned in your post... I fixed my laptops DSDT by myself (detailed instructions and the fixed DSDT are at my LinuxPage)
But it may not be complete fault of the distro. Your ACPI DSDT table might be broken (M$ compatible though!!! )
Though the web-page mentioned above only describes one Distro, I have used several distros after that and with a little effort, ACPI works on all of them.
Also I made 3D acceleration work on S3 (now Via) savage card which has been listed as "not supporting 3D acceleration under Linux" (Detailed description at azeemarif.blogspot.com)
~Aha~
What's annoying is that 2.6.8.1 on Gentoo is unmasked and with no patch to fix the problem. The least the Gentooistas could have done to avoid this is to mask the package until a fix appeared.
I wonder if gentoo-dev-sources is worth trying again... I've been on vanilla-sources since mm-sources crashed on boot in 2.6.7.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Upside? During install it autoloaded the Nvidia drivers with no configuration and the PC has been running smoothly since the last upgrade. All systems are go from DVD playback to CDr burning. It is my main desktop system and occasionally my wife uses it too.
Downside? Everything is running so smoothly that I don't dare break anything.
(sigh) At this point the only update I risk is KDE. I may upgrade to the KDE 3.3 MDK packages when they hit the kde.org download site (I'm running 3.2.3 and they are mostly stable) but I think I'll wait until Mandrake 11. It's too easy to get caught up in the frenzy. Linux can run for years without a restart, but I've yet to meet a linux geek who doesn't reformat and repartition his PC every two months. Mind you, with development in the F/OSS community constantly moving forward, and with nightly CVS snapshots, It's no wonder we have a whole lot of formating goin' on.
On a side note. I did get hit by the MBR bug BUT I installed Linux on a completely separate drive than WinXP. The MBR on my slave drive is completely messed. I haven't gotten around to fixing it because I can still boot into WinXP with no problems whatsoever. Besides, I'm just plain lazy.
-- Cheers!
5) Download the sources and compile it yourself. Pain in the butt, but no one ever said the GPL means they have to provide you binaries, only source.
..nobody said that they have to provide the source either, only to those that have recieved the binaries from them. And clearing up another misunderstanding, they can put whatever additional terms they want in the licence, as long as it doesn't restrict the rights granted by the GPL (including but not limited to, redistributing to all third parties under a pure GPL licence).
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Not forgetting to mention other handy tools -- cpufreq, klaptop, etc.
Everyone is so fast to "thank" Texstar, who just "goes it his own", whereas a lot of the packages he made available in the past were leeched from other sources, rebuilds from cooker, and about 20% of them his own packages.
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Maybe you should also consider the approximately 50 community members who together maintain about 5000 packages in the distribution and contrib, and take the responsibility of handling the bug reports and many other tasks.
The only reason Texstar got noticed so much was because he didn't take official contributor status and instead does his own thing, even if it screws upgrades for people using his packages
If you do a GRP (Package) install, it takes about 3 hours. You can learn something from it too, so the extra hour or two it takes to install will be help you save an hour later.
I'll probably be modded down for this...
Perhaps stage1, but stage 3 won't take nearly that long.
FYI - Stage 1 is the compile EVERYTHING from source, whereas Stage 3 starts with prebuilt packages targetted towards either i386/athlonxp/etc.
I've always started with Stage 3, because I don't believe that the effort:performance-gain ratio is worth it.
Man watching 6 MSCE's around a sun box, looks alot like the opening scene's of 2001:space odyssey...
Mandrake says that now now the public may download 10.1 Community:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3