First, I'm not saying your wrong. But the (processor) world doesn't revolve around/. comments/criticisms. Meaning, its all to easy to look at companies (esp big companies) and say that they just get going in one direction and don't stray from the course until it hits a dead end.
Do you really think companies will intentionally go in the wrong direction (more GHz, more cores, etc) just because? Possibly for marketing reasons, but outside that I would think that with their massive R&D budget that they would be exploring other ideas to give them the edge over the competition. Yes, sometimes it takes a new-comer to shake things up, but at the same time the big companies are pushing as hard as they can to either get an edge or narrow the gap...so give credit where credit is due and stop complaining (not that you were necessarily complaining, but almost any tech war cores, ghz is going to result in better tech for the consumer).
What if what you were pushing wasn't really anything at all, just a figment of your imagination. So when you thought that you pushed it, how long would it take the person on the other end to realize that you were crazy?
But then I wonder if that should be measured in time or in number of "attempts"? Now there is something to think about.
Since no one else is stepping up to the plate, I'll do it...
I say this perception is correct. I'm currently taking investors for people who also think this is correct. If in fact I am proven wrong then I'll give you a 100% return of investment plus a percentage of any money that I make from dividends invested in those alternate universes.
Just had an idea, so I'm sure that there are probably some holes in this, but here goes.
You said to put the burden on the machine, not the human. So why not just have a (relatively) complex question that could either be done by javascript or something similar. Mathematical questions would be ideal. Anyway, the correct answer has to be put in and the question would be easily available/readable. I know that computational power will continue to become cheaper, but the questions could continue to be harder as well.
Anyway, the premise would be that the computation would cost (processing time) and would therefore make the act of spamming not cost effective. I don't know if this would even be possible, but what if the question could have a positive benefit as well, say Folding@Home. So if part of the folding algorithm could be implemented in JavaScript, then before submitting an AJAX request would be made to get some data that had to be processed along with the submission. I know, I know. How would we know if it processed the data correctly? Anyway, it was just an idea to get the thoughts rolling.
This was just waiting for a good witty response, but all I could come up with is to change the question to "Which one can you only stick three fingers in?"
In the context of the GP, I think this is either Interesting or Insightful.
Seriously, if the only value we hold is IP that is locked in patents then what happens to our value when those patents do expire?
That said, I think we have a little more value than JUST our IP, so I don't think our economy is expiring any time soon (just don't ask for a definition of soon).
Ok, well we can agree to disagree but I would think that it have have very little to do with the question and everything with how your worded it.
For example:
If you asked do you want your software to "just work" or run the chance of having your computer burst into flames just to add some eye-candy/whatever? Then I would image that most people would opt for the stable approach.
However, if you asked do you want to try out feature X? It will make your windows semi-transparent and ALL of your wildest dreams come true. It hasn't been fully tested, but it seems to be pretty stable. Then I would think you'd see a surprising number of semi-transparent windows.
People really don't know and don't care about what happens behind the scenes. Also, I would think that most people would assume newer == better and that a higher version will be better, because hey...what can go wrong?
I prefer stable and reliable over untested new features. I think most people feel the same way
I think "most people" is an overstatement. "Most people" aren't tech minded geeks that have a clue about what the underlying technology is. I would imagine that if you could have a dialog that said something to the effect of:
Which filesystem do you want to use?
a) ZFS - Newest filesystem allowing for instant backups and versioning blah blah (unstable)
b) Doesn't matter what the other choice is (stable)
Out of this experiment 74% of the people wouldn't even read it and just choose the default value. If there wasn't a default value then of the original 74%, 58% of those would just choose the first one in the list, and the other 37% would take the newest wiz-bang features and 5% would have meant to have chosen ZFS but somehow still managed to click the wrong thing.
Then out of the remaining 26% that actually read it only 37% would make an informed decision with about a 50/50 split for each, then 32% would choose the wiz-bang feature just because leaving 31% choosing the tested/stable version.
All in all that is going to only leave roughly 11.76% (assuming ZFS wasn't the default choice) of people actually using a tested/stable version which unless I am mistaken does not qualify as "most people" and by the way 31% of those people actually meant to choose ZFS but just screwed it up.
And here's the newest news. The second generation will have the following additional specs. -400MHz Processor -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator -256MByte of Flash Memory -WiFi -updated battery: 1700mAh 2 Accelerometers.
Apple's iPhone has slain the competition before it has even hit the market
Spoken like a true fanboy without a grip on reality.
Will either, for instance, offer the freedom to develop for the platform that developers enjoy with the iPhone?
Wow, what a completely uninformed statement. Jobs just said that 3rd party development will be allowed, but has released ZERO details as to the extent of what will be allowed. There are NO API's and NO developer tools at the moment. Windows CE and Linux BOTH offer that, so the real question is will Apple allow the same freedom as the other platforms.
But I digress, I've followed the Neo1973 for a pretty good while now and it is still in development. There are already a few devices in the wild, but there is about to be a larger developer batch going out soon. The difference between it and other platforms is that it is COMPLETELY open. The hardware is fully documented (minus some binary userland drivers for ) and the software is available for all to see and modify. Here is the wiki for the OpenMoko platform
I just want to know who modded this insightful as there was only complete speculation and blatant bias. That said, I do think that the iPhone is going to be an amazing device, but to say that there is no point for other manufactures to even develop smart phones any more??? You've GOT to be kidding me.
First, I agree (somewhat).
I've got a couple of thoughts that I'm not sure how to get out, so just see if can put the pieces together.
Low-level languages like C are powerful because they can interact (almost) directly with the hardware. Then there are other languages that are built on top of those languages that are designed to hide complexity and allow programmers to code more efficiently at the cost of non-optimized code.
I didn't RTFA, but if the compilers start taking liberties and "hiding the complexity" of writing multi-threaded code, then unless they are absolutely perfect how would someone truly take advantage of hardware even while programming in C?
I'm sorry that I don't have the time to refine my thoughts, but basically if low-level languages (lll's) start becoming more like mid/high-level languages then how do go back to being able to optimize code like you did back when lll's were real lll's?
All in good sport...just had to call that one out.
However, I do completely agree with you (considering our current state of affairs). I carry (and only want to carry) a relatively small subset of my overall collection with me on my portable devices. Also, I only currently carry music with me. However, as video becomes a more commonplace thing (and the resolutions and necessary processing power in portables increase) the storage requirements will also increase with the quality of music/video/whatever.
So yes, 80Gb will more than satisfy my requirements for the short-term. But I'm sure we'll all look back at some point and laugh as we look at Gb's like we do Kb's or even bytes. Just think back to when Gates actually said that, now 640Gb hard drives are becoming commonplace and I'm sure that Tb will start becoming a more common place term here in the near future.
It's only in relatively wealthy countries with enough infrastructure and social programs that people can afford to stay stupid.
Don't know if you've been sitting on that gem just waiting for the right time to use it or not, but that is a great statement. Got nothing to say, just wanted to highlight a great comment (sorry, no mod points and already at +5).
Tools are tools. Its going to take a little effort to inform them how to use the tools, but like you I imagine that they are going to find uses for these that we haven't even thought of.
First, did we ever just jump into large endeavors without considering the costs?
Second, is the USA not great now? If so, why? Yes or no I bet that there are a lot more reasons than just "corporate greed" or in this case "corporate responsibility."
I have no idea if you read/comprehend your own posts or if you are just playing to the anti-(big) business/. crowd to get a little karma. Either way, do you really want to invest in/own a company that will enter into large long-term contracts without considering its ability to generate a profit from said endeavor? If so, then you might be what is wrong with the USA...
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First, I'm not saying your wrong. But the (processor) world doesn't revolve around /. comments/criticisms. Meaning, its all to easy to look at companies (esp big companies) and say that they just get going in one direction and don't stray from the course until it hits a dead end.
Do you really think companies will intentionally go in the wrong direction (more GHz, more cores, etc) just because? Possibly for marketing reasons, but outside that I would think that with their massive R&D budget that they would be exploring other ideas to give them the edge over the competition. Yes, sometimes it takes a new-comer to shake things up, but at the same time the big companies are pushing as hard as they can to either get an edge or narrow the gap...so give credit where credit is due and stop complaining (not that you were necessarily complaining, but almost any tech war cores, ghz is going to result in better tech for the consumer).
While I'm on a roll, ask me if I know any good Chuck Norris jokes (ps, I do).
What if what you were pushing wasn't really anything at all, just a figment of your imagination. So when you thought that you pushed it, how long would it take the person on the other end to realize that you were crazy?
But then I wonder if that should be measured in time or in number of "attempts"? Now there is something to think about.
Well do you want to know what I'm wondering...
How long its going to be before referring to porn as "pr0n" isn't cool any more...hmmmmmmmm
Since no one else is stepping up to the plate, I'll do it...
I say this perception is correct. I'm currently taking investors for people who also think this is correct. If in fact I am proven wrong then I'll give you a 100% return of investment plus a percentage of any money that I make from dividends invested in those alternate universes.
Just had an idea, so I'm sure that there are probably some holes in this, but here goes.
You said to put the burden on the machine, not the human. So why not just have a (relatively) complex question that could either be done by javascript or something similar. Mathematical questions would be ideal. Anyway, the correct answer has to be put in and the question would be easily available/readable. I know that computational power will continue to become cheaper, but the questions could continue to be harder as well.
Anyway, the premise would be that the computation would cost (processing time) and would therefore make the act of spamming not cost effective. I don't know if this would even be possible, but what if the question could have a positive benefit as well, say Folding@Home. So if part of the folding algorithm could be implemented in JavaScript, then before submitting an AJAX request would be made to get some data that had to be processed along with the submission. I know, I know. How would we know if it processed the data correctly? Anyway, it was just an idea to get the thoughts rolling.
This was just waiting for a good witty response, but all I could come up with is to change the question to "Which one can you only stick three fingers in?"
Anyone got anything better?
Well in that case, there is also Pink
Meaning that "car" would be the only invalid answer...I think you need to find a better scheme/algorithm.
I'm really disappointed in the lack of "itsatrap" comments and tags...slackers
In the context of the GP, I think this is either Interesting or Insightful.
Seriously, if the only value we hold is IP that is locked in patents then what happens to our value when those patents do expire?
That said, I think we have a little more value than JUST our IP, so I don't think our economy is expiring any time soon (just don't ask for a definition of soon).
Ok, well we can agree to disagree but I would think that it have have very little to do with the question and everything with how your worded it.
For example:
If you asked do you want your software to "just work" or run the chance of having your computer burst into flames just to add some eye-candy/whatever? Then I would image that most people would opt for the stable approach.
However, if you asked do you want to try out feature X? It will make your windows semi-transparent and ALL of your wildest dreams come true. It hasn't been fully tested, but it seems to be pretty stable. Then I would think you'd see a surprising number of semi-transparent windows.
People really don't know and don't care about what happens behind the scenes. Also, I would think that most people would assume newer == better and that a higher version will be better, because hey...what can go wrong?
Which filesystem do you want to use?
a) ZFS - Newest filesystem allowing for instant backups and versioning blah blah (unstable)
b) Doesn't matter what the other choice is (stable)
Out of this experiment 74% of the people wouldn't even read it and just choose the default value. If there wasn't a default value then of the original 74%, 58% of those would just choose the first one in the list, and the other 37% would take the newest wiz-bang features and 5% would have meant to have chosen ZFS but somehow still managed to click the wrong thing.
Then out of the remaining 26% that actually read it only 37% would make an informed decision with about a 50/50 split for each, then 32% would choose the wiz-bang feature just because leaving 31% choosing the tested/stable version.
All in all that is going to only leave roughly 11.76% (assuming ZFS wasn't the default choice) of people actually using a tested/stable version which unless I am mistaken does not qualify as "most people" and by the way 31% of those people actually meant to choose ZFS but just screwed it up.
Here are some specs on the phone:
r dware
Physical Dimensions
* 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 mm (4.75 x 2.44 x 0.728 inch)
* 184 +/- 5 g (6.5 ounces)
Hardware
* 2.8" VGA screen
* 266 MHz Samsung Processor
* 128MB SDRAM
* 64MB NAND FLASH ROM
* GSM/GPRS
* Bluetooth
* GPS
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Ha
And here's the newest news. The second generation will have the following additional specs.
-400MHz Processor
-a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator
-256MByte of Flash Memory
-WiFi
-updated battery: 1700mAh
2 Accelerometers.
Wow, what a completely uninformed statement. Jobs just said that 3rd party development will be allowed, but has released ZERO details as to the extent of what will be allowed. There are NO API's and NO developer tools at the moment. Windows CE and Linux BOTH offer that, so the real question is will Apple allow the same freedom as the other platforms.
But I digress, I've followed the Neo1973 for a pretty good while now and it is still in development. There are already a few devices in the wild, but there is about to be a larger developer batch going out soon. The difference between it and other platforms is that it is COMPLETELY open. The hardware is fully documented (minus some binary userland drivers for ) and the software is available for all to see and modify.
Here is the wiki for the OpenMoko platform
I just want to know who modded this insightful as there was only complete speculation and blatant bias. That said, I do think that the iPhone is going to be an amazing device, but to say that there is no point for other manufactures to even develop smart phones any more??? You've GOT to be kidding me.
First, I agree (somewhat).
I've got a couple of thoughts that I'm not sure how to get out, so just see if can put the pieces together.
Low-level languages like C are powerful because they can interact (almost) directly with the hardware. Then there are other languages that are built on top of those languages that are designed to hide complexity and allow programmers to code more efficiently at the cost of non-optimized code.
I didn't RTFA, but if the compilers start taking liberties and "hiding the complexity" of writing multi-threaded code, then unless they are absolutely perfect how would someone truly take advantage of hardware even while programming in C?
I'm sorry that I don't have the time to refine my thoughts, but basically if low-level languages (lll's) start becoming more like mid/high-level languages then how do go back to being able to optimize code like you did back when lll's were real lll's?
All in good sport...just had to call that one out.
However, I do completely agree with you (considering our current state of affairs). I carry (and only want to carry) a relatively small subset of my overall collection with me on my portable devices. Also, I only currently carry music with me. However, as video becomes a more commonplace thing (and the resolutions and necessary processing power in portables increase) the storage requirements will also increase with the quality of music/video/whatever.
So yes, 80Gb will more than satisfy my requirements for the short-term. But I'm sure we'll all look back at some point and laugh as we look at Gb's like we do Kb's or even bytes. Just think back to when Gates actually said that, now 640Gb hard drives are becoming commonplace and I'm sure that Tb will start becoming a more common place term here in the near future.
Progress, ain't it great?
- Bill Gates
Ewww, do you really want to see the RIAA executives stripping/stripped? Aren't they a bunch of old wrinkly men? What kind of a sick person are you?
Oh yeah, well what about Silicone?
what about haiku
it can be informative
it is not that lame
Tools are tools. Its going to take a little effort to inform them how to use the tools, but like you I imagine that they are going to find uses for these that we haven't even thought of.
Some cases yes: NBA
Some cases no: PGA
I kid, I kid
First, did we ever just jump into large endeavors without considering the costs?
/. crowd to get a little karma. Either way, do you really want to invest in/own a company that will enter into large long-term contracts without considering its ability to generate a profit from said endeavor? If so, then you might be what is wrong with the USA...
Second, is the USA not great now? If so, why? Yes or no I bet that there are a lot more reasons than just "corporate greed" or in this case "corporate responsibility."
I have no idea if you read/comprehend your own posts or if you are just playing to the anti-(big) business