This is about honesty. Just because you can cite examples of other people being dishonest doesn't mean Apple should be allowed to be dishonest as well. That's like saying that since your dad speeds and gets away with it, the police should have no right to pull you over. That's not a justification, that's an excuse. And as Trump says on his show, "I don't. like. excuses."
If Apple is dishonest, they should not be defended. You're not defending Apple, you're defending lying. If you are an Apple Zealot, you're not unbiased. Take a step back, find someone who is and let them look at the facts without your propaganda slipping in. If you're an Apple zealot, you're not acting in the best interests of society (or even yourself), you're acting in the best interests of Apple. The Better Business Bureau IS unbiased. If Microsoft makes claims like this, they will be censured as well. Overall, the system works. You have no problem when our enemies are caught and punished, but when we are caught and punished, we attack the system. That's what's happening here.
Everybody here is trying to defend Apple based on technicalities: they said "desktop", not "workstation"; other people lie too; the BBB is a corporate shill; this wouldn't happen if Clinton was in office; there's an anti-Apple conspiracy!
No matter how much you love Apple Corporation and want to promote their products, it is unethical and irresponsible to break the rules our society is based on. If you actively promote false advertising for your own selfish interests now, you have NO RIGHT to complain about others doing the same thing. What this means is that everybody will race to be the most dishonest, so that the right to complain about others' dishonesty will not matter, because you gain more from your dishonesty than you lose by allowing others' dishonesty. This is NOT where we want society to go.
If others are dishonest, call the BBB, don't join them in dishonesty. Apple loves their PR. They spend nearly as much on ads and promotions as on R&D. Lying should hurt their reputation. They should be punished for deceit. But there are people here acting as damage control to help Apple lie without being hurt by it. This is evil.
Dell are the good guys here. Apple is often right on the edge of deception with their ads; this time they went a bit too far and had their wrists slapped for it. I don't care about Dell computers, but I care about honesty in advertising. If Apple noticed Dell blatantly lying and called the BBB, we'd claim it as another example of Apple's glorious belief in truth and goodness. Because that's what we choose to believe. But the sword cuts both ways. It has to. If Apple lies, they should face consequences, just as Dell should when they lie. Someone's mom will see these ads and possibly get scammed into buying the wrong computer based on a lie. That's not good. Apple will lose in the long run, and the customer will lose as well. The best customer service I've ever seen is when an Apple sales guy told me to buy Windows XP because a Mac wouldn't work as well for what I wanted it to do. He was right, and he was honest. And it made me love Apple because they gave a damn about their customers and didn't want to screw me over just to make a quick sale. There are people on this board without that ethic; who cannot see the long-term problem of millions of angry customers who feel they've been lied to, badmouthing Apple to 20 people each and costing Apple many potential future sales. If the Apple guy had pushed me into the wrong solution just because he'd make a commission, I wouldn't have gone on to buy a half-dozen Macs, iPod, software, etc. and helping out on forums doing technical support for Mac newbies. Apple would have lost ME by lying.
And because they're lying now, they're losing someone else. Someone who cares about the truth is the best salesman you can have on your side. He will push you to be the best you can be when y
You're saying that people buy the iPod because they want to use the iTMS. I think people use the iTMS because they have an iPod.
The choice of codec isn't part of the sales pitch. Nobody buys an MP3 player for the AAC/FairPlay codec/DRM -- it's far more likely that people would AVOID buying an iPod BECAUSE it doesn't play WMA, which is available nearly everywhere BUT the iTMS. iPods limit your online purchasing choices.
WalMart and other places are cheaper, some have more songs, some are as well laid out or better. But if you have an iPod, you NEED to avoid Windows Media. Thus iTMS. And opening their tech to other players will draw more people into the iTMS, and thus the iTMS might even become profitable.
But the iPod sells for its coolness and harsware specs, not its AAC. To me, at least.
... I have NO IDEA what "Cue the jokes about robotic high heels, suspenders and a bra" is supposed to mean. I feel strangely inadequate; I'm usually way ahead of the rest of you with the references to Lumberjack Crossdressing Porn.
Why oh why does every new product have to have the letter X in it? I find myself longing for the days of iEverything or eEverything.
Except for XML and Mac OS X, the X doesn't make any sense to me in any of the 48,000 "cool" products starting with X. Other letters are cool, too! How about M, B, or W?
...but the only reason this is a "record" fine is because our own government CAVED IN and let them off the hook after a decade-long trial. After spending a *huge* amount of money in court, the US government sternly told MS they had to promise to release a service pack.
If our government had stuck to its guns from the first time of many that MS was taken to court, the tech landscape here would be vastly different, I think. Hey, BeOS might even be alive, and Linux and Macs would CERTAINLY have more momentum than they do!
Even if MS pays this in cash rather than software, it's still pocket change, currently sitting happily in the MS account and earning them interest. So they won't earn as much interest this year. Big deal. This won't change anything. At best it's less money for MS to pay SCO with.
... video conferencing... performance, stability, and organization ehancements, including faster importing, smoother image viewing, easier Rendezvous sharing, and improved thumbnails.
These things are all good, but wouldn't it be much simpler to accomplish all these performance improvements by releasing THE NEW G5 POWERBOOK!! COME ON, APPLE! I'M DYING HERE!
Thank you.
My Visa is ready, since I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs reads Slashdot.
I'm not kidding. Never enjoyed a show as much as when Wil cut loose and flamed EVERYBODY in sight. I was literally crying and holding my guts by the end. I never knew he had that much razor-sharp bitter inside. Damn good show.
Oh, geez. What a way to respond to a post about how bad the ass-kissing is on that show. Whatever, it ruled!
Seems they are offering their current customers the ability to renew their domain names for 100 years
Oh, jeez, they stole this off The Apprentice three weeks ago. They had to sell "Trump Ice" bottled water, and Troy figured they could scam the masses by signing people up for a month's supply at a time. Leave it to NetSol to rip off reality tv.
Look, people, don't fall for this scam. This is worse than a tattoo. It's a digital lamer prison that NetSol will charge extra to get out of, I'm sure... In 95 years, you'll get mail from Network Solutions reminding you that your domain name davidhasselhofffan.com is due to expire, and your grandkids will IMMEDIATELY put you in an old folks home in disgust -- assuming they haven't been issued Death Rays by the Eternal Ruler of America, George W. Bush's floating head kept alive in the chemical broth of Zoonosta-15.
Reminds me of the old Colombian joke about a man who crossed the Colombian border every day with a Attache Case full of cocaine. The customs officials asked him each time he crossed whether he had anything to declare. Pointing to the cocaine he would slip them $50 and reply "Nada" and the guards would let him pass. In time they became used to his crossings that they no longer thought anything about what he was doing.
When I try the new tab thing, the new tab still knows the referrer.
Try it with my homepage URL link or something, and when you get to the WhatReallyHappened page, right click on the page and view the "page info". The Referring URL is slashdot.org/blahblahblah/etc.
So I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the new tab idea wouldn't work... You can always cut and paste the address into Google, but that's a PITA.
This naming battle is bad with domains, sure. But just think about the hellish torment you endured trying to find a single english word--ANY english word-- that you could use as your Yahoo email name.
I honestly went through 40-50 cool possibles which were all taken, before I managed to score LemonAssFluoride@yahoo.com. I know it's pathetic, but really, that's ALL that was left! Even when I tried slapping random characters down, they were all taken.
I'm not even kidding. Try it sometime. EVERYTHING is taken. It's ridiculous. I calculated it out, and every person on earth, including the half billion African tribesmen with no access to electricity, each have an average of 63 separate email addresses and are sitting on them just to screw ME over.
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Since when is Apple the underdog in MP3 players? Aren't they going to be approaching monopoly status in a year or so if their growth rate continues?
By the way, there's a good thread on Spymac concerning this.
If you're pirating Anne Murray, you have already suffered enough.
the internet--once heralded as a revolutionary force in politics--has turned out to be surprisingly nonthreatening to dictators and tyrannies.
I can think of a few dictators and tyrants whose kingdoms are threatened by the power of the internet. The internet is scary to some, exciting to others, because it's people working together.
This is about honesty. Just because you can cite examples of other people being dishonest doesn't mean Apple should be allowed to be dishonest as well. That's like saying that since your dad speeds and gets away with it, the police should have no right to pull you over. That's not a justification, that's an excuse. And as Trump says on his show, "I don't. like. excuses."
If Apple is dishonest, they should not be defended. You're not defending Apple, you're defending lying. If you are an Apple Zealot, you're not unbiased. Take a step back, find someone who is and let them look at the facts without your propaganda slipping in. If you're an Apple zealot, you're not acting in the best interests of society (or even yourself), you're acting in the best interests of Apple. The Better Business Bureau IS unbiased. If Microsoft makes claims like this, they will be censured as well. Overall, the system works. You have no problem when our enemies are caught and punished, but when we are caught and punished, we attack the system. That's what's happening here.
Everybody here is trying to defend Apple based on technicalities: they said "desktop", not "workstation"; other people lie too; the BBB is a corporate shill; this wouldn't happen if Clinton was in office; there's an anti-Apple conspiracy!
No matter how much you love Apple Corporation and want to promote their products, it is unethical and irresponsible to break the rules our society is based on. If you actively promote false advertising for your own selfish interests now, you have NO RIGHT to complain about others doing the same thing. What this means is that everybody will race to be the most dishonest, so that the right to complain about others' dishonesty will not matter, because you gain more from your dishonesty than you lose by allowing others' dishonesty. This is NOT where we want society to go.
If others are dishonest, call the BBB, don't join them in dishonesty. Apple loves their PR. They spend nearly as much on ads and promotions as on R&D. Lying should hurt their reputation. They should be punished for deceit. But there are people here acting as damage control to help Apple lie without being hurt by it. This is evil.
Dell are the good guys here. Apple is often right on the edge of deception with their ads; this time they went a bit too far and had their wrists slapped for it. I don't care about Dell computers, but I care about honesty in advertising. If Apple noticed Dell blatantly lying and called the BBB, we'd claim it as another example of Apple's glorious belief in truth and goodness. Because that's what we choose to believe. But the sword cuts both ways. It has to. If Apple lies, they should face consequences, just as Dell should when they lie. Someone's mom will see these ads and possibly get scammed into buying the wrong computer based on a lie. That's not good. Apple will lose in the long run, and the customer will lose as well. The best customer service I've ever seen is when an Apple sales guy told me to buy Windows XP because a Mac wouldn't work as well for what I wanted it to do. He was right, and he was honest. And it made me love Apple because they gave a damn about their customers and didn't want to screw me over just to make a quick sale. There are people on this board without that ethic; who cannot see the long-term problem of millions of angry customers who feel they've been lied to, badmouthing Apple to 20 people each and costing Apple many potential future sales. If the Apple guy had pushed me into the wrong solution just because he'd make a commission, I wouldn't have gone on to buy a half-dozen Macs, iPod, software, etc. and helping out on forums doing technical support for Mac newbies. Apple would have lost ME by lying.
And because they're lying now, they're losing someone else. Someone who cares about the truth is the best salesman you can have on your side. He will push you to be the best you can be when y
You're saying that people buy the iPod because they want to use the iTMS. I think people use the iTMS because they have an iPod.
The choice of codec isn't part of the sales pitch. Nobody buys an MP3 player for the AAC/FairPlay codec/DRM -- it's far more likely that people would AVOID buying an iPod BECAUSE it doesn't play WMA, which is available nearly everywhere BUT the iTMS. iPods limit your online purchasing choices.
WalMart and other places are cheaper, some have more songs, some are as well laid out or better. But if you have an iPod, you NEED to avoid Windows Media. Thus iTMS. And opening their tech to other players will draw more people into the iTMS, and thus the iTMS might even become profitable.
But the iPod sells for its coolness and harsware specs, not its AAC. To me, at least.
... we'd have no idea how bloody good Linux and Mac OSX really are.
The evil scientists had originally planned to give Britney laser beams, instead they gave her cannons.
And I am still thanking them for it.
... I have NO IDEA what "Cue the jokes about robotic high heels, suspenders and a bra" is supposed to mean. I feel strangely inadequate; I'm usually way ahead of the rest of you with the references to Lumberjack Crossdressing Porn.
Hmmm... Guess the mods have no idea what I'm talking about, or how that was ABSOLUTELY FRICKIN' WITTY!
...display over 10,000 pages on a single set of batteries.
You could make more money selling these batteries to Apple for use in new iPods.
now you've got tons of people who can't pronounce CLI
I am the CLI Commander!
Oh jeez I think I'm gonna be sick. From now on, I'll leave the trolling up to the ACs. My eyes just started bleeding.
Why oh why does every new product have to have the letter X in it? I find myself longing for the days of iEverything or eEverything.
Except for XML and Mac OS X, the X doesn't make any sense to me in any of the 48,000 "cool" products starting with X. Other letters are cool, too! How about M, B, or W?
C'mon! Innovate a little!
...but the only reason this is a "record" fine is because our own government CAVED IN and let them off the hook after a decade-long trial. After spending a *huge* amount of money in court, the US government sternly told MS they had to promise to release a service pack.
If our government had stuck to its guns from the first time of many that MS was taken to court, the tech landscape here would be vastly different, I think. Hey, BeOS might even be alive, and Linux and Macs would CERTAINLY have more momentum than they do!
Even if MS pays this in cash rather than software, it's still pocket change, currently sitting happily in the MS account and earning them interest. So they won't earn as much interest this year. Big deal. This won't change anything. At best it's less money for MS to pay SCO with.
Dude, I'm from Canada. The flaming heat of the G5 isn't a bug, it's a feature.
In fact, it's more than a feature, it's a life-support system for when I'm buried in an Avalanche.
... video conferencing... performance, stability, and organization ehancements, including faster importing, smoother image viewing, easier Rendezvous sharing, and improved thumbnails.
These things are all good, but wouldn't it be much simpler to accomplish all these performance improvements by releasing THE NEW G5 POWERBOOK!! COME ON, APPLE! I'M DYING HERE!
Thank you.
My Visa is ready, since I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs reads Slashdot.
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I'm not kidding. Never enjoyed a show as much as when Wil cut loose and flamed EVERYBODY in sight. I was literally crying and holding my guts by the end. I never knew he had that much razor-sharp bitter inside. Damn good show.
Oh, geez. What a way to respond to a post about how bad the ass-kissing is on that show. Whatever, it ruled!
Seems they are offering their current customers the ability to renew their domain names for 100 years
Oh, jeez, they stole this off The Apprentice three weeks ago. They had to sell "Trump Ice" bottled water, and Troy figured they could scam the masses by signing people up for a month's supply at a time. Leave it to NetSol to rip off reality tv.
Look, people, don't fall for this scam. This is worse than a tattoo. It's a digital lamer prison that NetSol will charge extra to get out of, I'm sure... In 95 years, you'll get mail from Network Solutions reminding you that your domain name davidhasselhofffan.com is due to expire, and your grandkids will IMMEDIATELY put you in an old folks home in disgust -- assuming they haven't been issued Death Rays by the Eternal Ruler of America, George W. Bush's floating head kept alive in the chemical broth of Zoonosta-15.
Reminds me of the old Colombian joke about a man who crossed the Colombian border every day with a Attache Case full of cocaine. The customs officials asked him each time he crossed whether he had anything to declare. Pointing to the cocaine he would slip them $50 and reply "Nada" and the guards would let him pass. In time they became used to his crossings that they no longer thought anything about what he was doing.
Turns out he was smuggling Attache Cases.
Nope, JR's not there anymore. Somebody shot him.
(You won't get this unless you're at least 30.)
Nice tip, thanks bro!
Never knew you could do that.
When I try the new tab thing, the new tab still knows the referrer.
Try it with my homepage URL link or something, and when you get to the WhatReallyHappened page, right click on the page and view the "page info". The Referring URL is slashdot.org/blahblahblah/etc.
So I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the new tab idea wouldn't work... You can always cut and paste the address into Google, but that's a PITA.
This naming battle is bad with domains, sure. But just think about the hellish torment you endured trying to find a single english word--ANY english word-- that you could use as your Yahoo email name.
I honestly went through 40-50 cool possibles which were all taken, before I managed to score LemonAssFluoride@yahoo.com. I know it's pathetic, but really, that's ALL that was left! Even when I tried slapping random characters down, they were all taken.
I'm not even kidding. Try it sometime. EVERYTHING is taken. It's ridiculous. I calculated it out, and every person on earth, including the half billion African tribesmen with no access to electricity, each have an average of 63 separate email addresses and are sitting on them just to screw ME over.
In France, they call it the La Tard with Cheese
Sorry, no Janet Jackson or swimsuit pics in this article.
Your Regularly Scheduled Slashdotting has just been cancelled.