Hear, hear! I wish! Unfortunately we aren't quite there yet, what with crowds of religionists still (hey, they have the right to believe in their silly ideas, just like others have the right to disbelieve their ideas) abound and a president openly chrestian. I have never seen an issue in discussing religion openly here in the states so I'm a little confused about the attitude to discuss religion in a public forum comment. Whatever, not trolling, just flinging random ideas around, without much cohesion. Time to go to sleep.
Isn't there a powerful idea in capitalism (which I think we are, right?[/sarcasm]) that one company doesn't dominate all of the market? I believe that'd be a monopoly, if my vocabulary is correct. Maybe I'm wrong (and if so, please do correct me), but I thought one of the primary benefits of capitalism is that instead of one company making 'all the parts' of something, you instead have many companies, each specialized, each dedicating time and money to perfecting one singular part. These companies compete to make the best 'part' and capitalism flourishes and all are happy. If you have one company making all the parts there is no competition and capitalism does not exist, the capitalist-based economy hurts and all is not so happy.
Distributing work is more benefitial since each party need only worry about making their own part work as best they can.
Sorry, I'm a little confused here: "there's an insatiable demand for new software, such that open source can never meet it." Seems difficult to believe considering the www wouldn't exist as it is now without an OS program called BIND (might have heard of it). Also, Apache, OSS webserver has more than 60% market share. If OSS can take on, and dominate, such large areas (such as the aforementioned, and also kernels, compiliers, et cetera), I find it difficult to believe that open source can't meet demand. Especially considering the bazaar method of OSS which has been shown to produce typically more reliable code, in shorter periods of time, through various case examples (Apache's a good one, as well as the Linux kernel itself, the GCC compiler, and tons more). I fail to see this insatiable demand and why OSS can't "build high rises" instead of just the (incredibly important, mind you, more important than the 'high rises') "basic plumbing" (which the commercial products are dependent on).
With more coders than commercial software, and being that bazaar style coding seems to be (through example) much more efficient than commercial "cathedral" style, there is no demand that OSS can't meet of which commercial can that I see.
Haha. Apparently not fond of puns? Probally should be "binary pun" instead of "funny binary joke" I imagine, but I copied it from someone else and didn't think about it, which maybe I should have, especially after all that exposure to boolean algebra and such.
How's this: "This was suppose to be a binary pun, but its ~1"?
Somehow, "This wasn't suppose to be a true binary joke, but its not one" just fails to induce a modicum of hilarity. Sorry.
My algorithmics and discrete mathematics professors must be foaming at the lips in happiness-induced seizure-ific glory.
Yes, I know happiness does not induce seizure.
What a wonderful day in CS history. Well, here's to finding the 42nd! We can call it the Adams Prime. Wonder if it has some combination of 6's and 9's...hmm.
> Often it can be more time consuming to patch Linux, too - find and download RPM, potentially requiring you to find and download dependencies, etc., and installing, while in Windows, for most users, it's "click on Windows update button."
Uh, 'emerge world' is that hard to type? Who uses RPM? Apt-get and portage (emerge) are the way to go. Gets the dependencies and their dependencies, et cetera, and just 'emerge unmerge' to remove, and do 'emerge world' to do a system-wide update. Plus, unlike Windows Update, this works for non-MS software, with thousands of titles.
And, was running this network tool on a bunch of fresh-installed, "insecure" linboxes and it spit out some information along the extent of "ooh, you should use this because the other method can possibly maybe allow someone to view the time set on your computer" and other issues like that. Ran it on roughly 10 winboxes, most that had the most up-to-date security patches, et cetera, and we got some really disturbing results. Like a bunch of comps which allowed remote Administration access (without a password mind you) through some hole that is currently not patched by the MS guys. Jeesh! Can't even RUN windows without a firewall or your bound to be in trouble.
I took the AP BC C++ exam (the harder of the two C++ exams) two years ago (I'm a freshman in college right now) and the AP exam has nothing to do with Computer Science at all. It is strictly a programming exam. This makes sense, because the college credit earned is equivalent to taking an Intro to Computer Programming type class.
"No coding, just ideas that a smart student can take to any language, whether its Java or C++ or anything else" is the opposite idea of this AP test. I think we touched upon maybe sorting algorithms and that's about it as far as concepts. The AP CS exams require you to use AP classes, (apstring, apvector, et cetera), of which the student has no idea why it works, but rather just how it works. Kind of silly, yes, but that's how its done. And considering it gives credit for like programming 101 (or CS 1005 here at WPI, which, for Computer Science majors like myself, doesn't even count towards CS credit), you can't expect much more.
By the way, I got a 5/5 on the exam, too, so I'm the model student for the AP CS class (not bragging [too much] just saying that this is the intent of the AP CS).
One easy way we found to beat the typical way of blocking programs (port blocking) was to write and algorithm that changes the port being used every hour or so based on certain "seemingly random" variables. And, for a small interim period (so as to not drop packets during the port transition), two ports are actually opened. That's what we have done for our WASTE modifications.
I find that its generally true. I have some different passwords. A 8-char alphanum boot password, then a 7-char alphanum lilo password and then the system passwords, my main user 16-char password with lower and upper case letters, numbers and symbols, and a roughly 80-char password with lower and upper case, punctuation and stuff for my root password. I use the 8-char and 7-char in random other places too. The 80-char is a phrase in an old foreign langauge that I transposed and transfixed some of the letters. I use my 16-char one for GPG and not in many other places. You'll be amazed at how fast you can memorize and type in a 80-char password when you have to do it to go superuser and you tend to compile in a good amount of stuff!
Weird. I'm pretty sure Open Office, the number one office suite, made popular on the number one operating system, GNU/Linux, works on just about everything, Windows, Mac OS, and tons more.
But yes, Steve is being very much like his character portrayed in Pirates of Silicon Valley. You'd think he'd learn something from his past and try to expand by helping smaller companies and working with them to strengthen his own interests, before said smaller company comes over and takes them over, "PWNing" them (to make reference to a previous post). Pfft, such are the fickle ways of Steve Jobs.
Unfortunately, the average user couldn't "install it out of the box" if their life depended on it. And the 'it' here is Windows even, as the "average user" doesn't even have any sort of idea of how to even begin installing Windows. The key is to have GNU/Linux preloaded where Windows is now. Even with basic security enabled in the GNU/Linux environment at least they have a modicum (being very conservative with that, thank you!) of more security than in Windows. But you're right; even the adept average user hasn't the slightest idea about security and a least some moderate form would have to be setup by default (which most distro's do, I do believe).
The real issue is explaining to joe user that running root all the time and using telnet or basic ftp are bad ideas. What will really happen when their are more GNU/Linux users is that the security will tighten, because new techniques to protect these silly folk will develop (with perhaps a feature to remove these defaults set in for the experienced user whom knows what he's doing but maybe only by compiling a new kernel or something, since even joe user++ is not going to be able to do that!).
"First, both Microsoft's creative authority and the ability of consumers to reap the benefits of new technological innovation will be curtailed."
Question: since when has Microsoft had any sort of creativity?
" press reports are true, the Commission's ruling on Wednesday will render the U.S. settlement -- negotiated with Microsoft less than two years ago -- largely irrelevant."
Good.
Too bad about the API's, but considering most of these projects are all reverse engineered for operability (under the DMCA this is very legal), such as Samba and Wine (if I'm not mistaken) then this is "largely irrelevant" in their progress.
With the GPL that most of the software on the SuSE disc(s) are under, SuSE legally has to offer a free downloadable version of there distrobution somewhere on their site. So, check around. It's there somewhere!
I don't like the Windows UI either, that's why I used GNOME for quite a while. Now I'm just using fluxbox because its really, really fast and I can still run all the GTK/GNOME and QT/KDE apps without all that extra clutter. But maybe I'm a little weird considering I like Slackware BECAUSE you have to configure everything on the command line. In reality, I use 1D interfaces much more than these 2D interfaces. And if there's something that can't be done on the command line that ticks me off to no extent. That's a primary reason I left MS.
Well, I'm a CS/ECE double major freshman at Worcester Polytechnical Institute and suggest you look into WPI as a school. The Computer Science department is highly respected among the other big-wigs in CS, such as MIT. As far as Internet2, well, we have that set up here and are a major contributor to the Internet2 community. In fact, we are helping other universities, including MIT, as well as government institutions in setting up Internet2. Check us out at wpi.edu. Alright,/plug.
Java, really, was most-likely designed to co-opt more than just one language. It's more than likely that the developers looked at great Smalltalk features (which was co-opting the idea of objects first introduced in the original OO language, Simula 67, created, oddly enough, in 1967, one could claim) such as the bytecode compilation, but now you DO see the co-opting of C++ with, ta-da, Java Generics and Enumerated Data types (as of Java 1.5, http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/re leases/j2se15/). And as far as garbage collection, well, other languages had this feature. But, really, who cares? Java is a great language (I don't know about C#, as I know, pretty-much, nothing about it yet because I haven't found a way to even write them in linux and don't know if I even want to) and that's pretty much the most important feature of Java (co-opted from all other great languages, haha).
Funny, but in my programming world (Open Source, baby!), cycles are expensive and people are free. Well, I guess closed source programming is clearly better, so we can save all that money by buying cheap cycles to pay off the couple of Cathedral programers.
Not trolling, by the way. Just trying to be funny.
The fact that you had to answer those rather-obvious (well, to us open source guys, at least) questions shows the problem with the typical mentalitly that MS and Windows has created in many people. I am incredibliy glad that Linux and even the open source community are finally becoming much more mainstream; this is a great sign. The other day, I was eating in a food hall that had a plasma tv in it, and an IBM commercial talking about Linux came on. I looked at the people in the hall and saw there expressions. Someone would ask, "Linux? What is that?", or something to that extent, and their friend would answer them. This was not exceptional, but rather common throughout the hall. Many, many more people are beginning to know about Linux, to know what an Operating System is and, soon, to learn about open source.
On a side note, my Mom called me up the other day and said that her computer at work got infected with the MyDoom virus. I thanked her. (Then I said I was just joking -- don't yell at me here!)
Absolutely agree. As much as I like Google, I hope this doesn't go through. Really though, don't see how this could work in Google's favor. Even if they win, which I don't see happening, it makes them look like a bully. The only issue is that Booble copies the "trade dress" of Google and maybe that would be something they could enforce to change (which would seem like less bullying in my mind). But then, of course, Booble has no real 'claim to fame'. Oh well, just my 10b cents.
Of course, the typical democrats response (even if you are not a democrat). To blame Bush for the lost of jobs is ridiculous. The reason the states is currently in an economic pit has nothing to do with Bush. It is a matter of coincidence that with Bush in office a couple of fundamentalist jihad-er's decided to crash a couple of planes into some rather important buildings. The airplane industry suffered a big blow there and had to step up security, which in turn costs more. Also, earlier a bit, the IT companies and web companies that interest was vested in started drying up, not due to Bush but due to the internet not being a very good commercial enterprise (unlike television and radio). Of course, we also had companies screwing around with the stocks and such too, right at this time, which just multiplies the whole problem. These are uncontrollable and all developed their basis during Clinton's years. That is when these started, when the companies where screwing everybody out of money, when the internet economy sprouted too fast and without a real means of making money and as the terrorists plotted to unleash destruction on us. The lack of doing anything to help/prevent this massive economic downfall is what I reference when I say that Clinton "did pretty-much nothing". Maybe he couldn't do anything but this still does NOT make the economic downward spiral the fault of Bush. I could care less that the median family income went up or that a group of people did better than previous. These could just be coincidence with Clinton in office, even, to some exent, but it is neglible now because of the fix we're in which could have been prevented to an extent.
And as far as catching Saddam: about freaking time! This is an issue that Clinton should have followed up Daddy Bush and did a LONG time ago. For those that bring up how we found no weapons of mass destruction I exclaim we did: Saddam, his family, and his regime. Plus, war is good for the economy (always has been), so why blame Bush for trying to improve the economy?
So, really, what, in the long run, did Clinton do, given that right after his run of years we began to fall into an economic pit? These "postives" have little effect at all now.
Forgive me, but sidestepping the issue annoys the hell out of me.
I'm not going to comment on this because I would seriously be accused of trolling if I spoke my mind on this, and probally get yelled at from a bunch of people. So, I'll just say:
"Could have been a lot worse though! Imagine Ross Perot as president!"
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...almost official atheism in the U.S.A.
Hear, hear! I wish! Unfortunately we aren't quite there yet, what with crowds of religionists still (hey, they have the right to believe in their silly ideas, just like others have the right to disbelieve their ideas) abound and a president openly chrestian. I have never seen an issue in discussing religion openly here in the states so I'm a little confused about the attitude to discuss religion in a public forum comment. Whatever, not trolling, just flinging random ideas around, without much cohesion. Time to go to sleep.
Isn't there a powerful idea in capitalism (which I think we are, right?[/sarcasm]) that one company doesn't dominate all of the market? I believe that'd be a monopoly, if my vocabulary is correct. Maybe I'm wrong (and if so, please do correct me), but I thought one of the primary benefits of capitalism is that instead of one company making 'all the parts' of something, you instead have many companies, each specialized, each dedicating time and money to perfecting one singular part. These companies compete to make the best 'part' and capitalism flourishes and all are happy. If you have one company making all the parts there is no competition and capitalism does not exist, the capitalist-based economy hurts and all is not so happy. Distributing work is more benefitial since each party need only worry about making their own part work as best they can.
And open source projects get even higher review, actual peer review, which is how all math and science developed.
Sorry, I'm a little confused here: "there's an insatiable demand for new software, such that open source can never meet it." Seems difficult to believe considering the www wouldn't exist as it is now without an OS program called BIND (might have heard of it). Also, Apache, OSS webserver has more than 60% market share. If OSS can take on, and dominate, such large areas (such as the aforementioned, and also kernels, compiliers, et cetera), I find it difficult to believe that open source can't meet demand. Especially considering the bazaar method of OSS which has been shown to produce typically more reliable code, in shorter periods of time, through various case examples (Apache's a good one, as well as the Linux kernel itself, the GCC compiler, and tons more). I fail to see this insatiable demand and why OSS can't "build high rises" instead of just the (incredibly important, mind you, more important than the 'high rises') "basic plumbing" (which the commercial products are dependent on). With more coders than commercial software, and being that bazaar style coding seems to be (through example) much more efficient than commercial "cathedral" style, there is no demand that OSS can't meet of which commercial can that I see.
Damnit. One less excuse to get a mac. Freaking "A"!
Haha. Apparently not fond of puns? Probally should be "binary pun" instead of "funny binary joke" I imagine, but I copied it from someone else and didn't think about it, which maybe I should have, especially after all that exposure to boolean algebra and such. How's this: "This was suppose to be a binary pun, but its ~1"? Somehow, "This wasn't suppose to be a true binary joke, but its not one" just fails to induce a modicum of hilarity. Sorry.
My algorithmics and discrete mathematics professors must be foaming at the lips in happiness-induced seizure-ific glory.
Yes, I know happiness does not induce seizure.
What a wonderful day in CS history. Well, here's to finding the 42nd! We can call it the Adams Prime. Wonder if it has some combination of 6's and 9's...hmm.
> Often it can be more time consuming to patch Linux, too - find and download RPM, potentially requiring you to find and download dependencies, etc., and installing, while in Windows, for most users, it's "click on Windows update button." Uh, 'emerge world' is that hard to type? Who uses RPM? Apt-get and portage (emerge) are the way to go. Gets the dependencies and their dependencies, et cetera, and just 'emerge unmerge' to remove, and do 'emerge world' to do a system-wide update. Plus, unlike Windows Update, this works for non-MS software, with thousands of titles. And, was running this network tool on a bunch of fresh-installed, "insecure" linboxes and it spit out some information along the extent of "ooh, you should use this because the other method can possibly maybe allow someone to view the time set on your computer" and other issues like that. Ran it on roughly 10 winboxes, most that had the most up-to-date security patches, et cetera, and we got some really disturbing results. Like a bunch of comps which allowed remote Administration access (without a password mind you) through some hole that is currently not patched by the MS guys. Jeesh! Can't even RUN windows without a firewall or your bound to be in trouble.
I took the AP BC C++ exam (the harder of the two C++ exams) two years ago (I'm a freshman in college right now) and the AP exam has nothing to do with Computer Science at all. It is strictly a programming exam. This makes sense, because the college credit earned is equivalent to taking an Intro to Computer Programming type class.
"No coding, just ideas that a smart student can take to any language, whether its Java or C++ or anything else" is the opposite idea of this AP test. I think we touched upon maybe sorting algorithms and that's about it as far as concepts. The AP CS exams require you to use AP classes, (apstring, apvector, et cetera), of which the student has no idea why it works, but rather just how it works. Kind of silly, yes, but that's how its done. And considering it gives credit for like programming 101 (or CS 1005 here at WPI, which, for Computer Science majors like myself, doesn't even count towards CS credit), you can't expect much more.
By the way, I got a 5/5 on the exam, too, so I'm the model student for the AP CS class (not bragging [too much] just saying that this is the intent of the AP CS).
One easy way we found to beat the typical way of blocking programs (port blocking) was to write and algorithm that changes the port being used every hour or so based on certain "seemingly random" variables. And, for a small interim period (so as to not drop packets during the port transition), two ports are actually opened. That's what we have done for our WASTE modifications.
I find that its generally true. I have some different passwords. A 8-char alphanum boot password, then a 7-char alphanum lilo password and then the system passwords, my main user 16-char password with lower and upper case letters, numbers and symbols, and a roughly 80-char password with lower and upper case, punctuation and stuff for my root password. I use the 8-char and 7-char in random other places too. The 80-char is a phrase in an old foreign langauge that I transposed and transfixed some of the letters. I use my 16-char one for GPG and not in many other places. You'll be amazed at how fast you can memorize and type in a 80-char password when you have to do it to go superuser and you tend to compile in a good amount of stuff!
Weird. I'm pretty sure Open Office, the number one office suite, made popular on the number one operating system, GNU/Linux, works on just about everything, Windows, Mac OS, and tons more. But yes, Steve is being very much like his character portrayed in Pirates of Silicon Valley. You'd think he'd learn something from his past and try to expand by helping smaller companies and working with them to strengthen his own interests, before said smaller company comes over and takes them over, "PWNing" them (to make reference to a previous post). Pfft, such are the fickle ways of Steve Jobs.
Unfortunately, the average user couldn't "install it out of the box" if their life depended on it. And the 'it' here is Windows even, as the "average user" doesn't even have any sort of idea of how to even begin installing Windows. The key is to have GNU/Linux preloaded where Windows is now. Even with basic security enabled in the GNU/Linux environment at least they have a modicum (being very conservative with that, thank you!) of more security than in Windows. But you're right; even the adept average user hasn't the slightest idea about security and a least some moderate form would have to be setup by default (which most distro's do, I do believe).
The real issue is explaining to joe user that running root all the time and using telnet or basic ftp are bad ideas. What will really happen when their are more GNU/Linux users is that the security will tighten, because new techniques to protect these silly folk will develop (with perhaps a feature to remove these defaults set in for the experienced user whom knows what he's doing but maybe only by compiling a new kernel or something, since even joe user++ is not going to be able to do that!).
Just an idea, at least!
"First, both Microsoft's creative authority and the ability of consumers to reap the benefits of new technological innovation will be curtailed."
Question: since when has Microsoft had any sort of creativity?
" press reports are true, the Commission's ruling on Wednesday will render the U.S. settlement -- negotiated with Microsoft less than two years ago -- largely irrelevant."
Good.
Too bad about the API's, but considering most of these projects are all reverse engineered for operability (under the DMCA this is very legal), such as Samba and Wine (if I'm not mistaken) then this is "largely irrelevant" in their progress.
With the GPL that most of the software on the SuSE disc(s) are under, SuSE legally has to offer a free downloadable version of there distrobution somewhere on their site. So, check around. It's there somewhere!
I don't like the Windows UI either, that's why I used GNOME for quite a while. Now I'm just using fluxbox because its really, really fast and I can still run all the GTK/GNOME and QT/KDE apps without all that extra clutter. But maybe I'm a little weird considering I like Slackware BECAUSE you have to configure everything on the command line. In reality, I use 1D interfaces much more than these 2D interfaces. And if there's something that can't be done on the command line that ticks me off to no extent. That's a primary reason I left MS.
Of course, UI frontends are okay sometimes!
Well, I'm a CS/ECE double major freshman at Worcester Polytechnical Institute and suggest you look into WPI as a school. The Computer Science department is highly respected among the other big-wigs in CS, such as MIT. As far as Internet2, well, we have that set up here and are a major contributor to the Internet2 community. In fact, we are helping other universities, including MIT, as well as government institutions in setting up Internet2. Check us out at wpi.edu. Alright, /plug.
Slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware slackware, mushroom, mushroom...oops.
Now, it I can just get emerge and apt-get to work in slackware I'll be all set.
As long as I can still run xf86config and manually set up everything I want the way I want it, then autoconfiguration is fine by me.
Java, really, was most-likely designed to co-opt more than just one language. It's more than likely that the developers looked at great Smalltalk features (which was co-opting the idea of objects first introduced in the original OO language, Simula 67, created, oddly enough, in 1967, one could claim) such as the bytecode compilation, but now you DO see the co-opting of C++ with, ta-da, Java Generics and Enumerated Data types (as of Java 1.5, http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/re leases/j2se15/). And as far as garbage collection, well, other languages had this feature. But, really, who cares? Java is a great language (I don't know about C#, as I know, pretty-much, nothing about it yet because I haven't found a way to even write them in linux and don't know if I even want to) and that's pretty much the most important feature of Java (co-opted from all other great languages, haha).
Funny, but in my programming world (Open Source, baby!), cycles are expensive and people are free. Well, I guess closed source programming is clearly better, so we can save all that money by buying cheap cycles to pay off the couple of Cathedral programers.
Not trolling, by the way. Just trying to be funny.
The fact that you had to answer those rather-obvious (well, to us open source guys, at least) questions shows the problem with the typical mentalitly that MS and Windows has created in many people. I am incredibliy glad that Linux and even the open source community are finally becoming much more mainstream; this is a great sign. The other day, I was eating in a food hall that had a plasma tv in it, and an IBM commercial talking about Linux came on. I looked at the people in the hall and saw there expressions. Someone would ask, "Linux? What is that?", or something to that extent, and their friend would answer them. This was not exceptional, but rather common throughout the hall. Many, many more people are beginning to know about Linux, to know what an Operating System is and, soon, to learn about open source.
On a side note, my Mom called me up the other day and said that her computer at work got infected with the MyDoom virus. I thanked her. (Then I said I was just joking -- don't yell at me here!)
Absolutely agree. As much as I like Google, I hope this doesn't go through. Really though, don't see how this could work in Google's favor. Even if they win, which I don't see happening, it makes them look like a bully. The only issue is that Booble copies the "trade dress" of Google and maybe that would be something they could enforce to change (which would seem like less bullying in my mind). But then, of course, Booble has no real 'claim to fame'. Oh well, just my 10b cents.
"Where are the jobs, Bush? 'Oh I caught Saddam.'"
Of course, the typical democrats response (even if you are not a democrat). To blame Bush for the lost of jobs is ridiculous. The reason the states is currently in an economic pit has nothing to do with Bush. It is a matter of coincidence that with Bush in office a couple of fundamentalist jihad-er's decided to crash a couple of planes into some rather important buildings. The airplane industry suffered a big blow there and had to step up security, which in turn costs more. Also, earlier a bit, the IT companies and web companies that interest was vested in started drying up, not due to Bush but due to the internet not being a very good commercial enterprise (unlike television and radio). Of course, we also had companies screwing around with the stocks and such too, right at this time, which just multiplies the whole problem. These are uncontrollable and all developed their basis during Clinton's years. That is when these started, when the companies where screwing everybody out of money, when the internet economy sprouted too fast and without a real means of making money and as the terrorists plotted to unleash destruction on us. The lack of doing anything to help/prevent this massive economic downfall is what I reference when I say that Clinton "did pretty-much nothing". Maybe he couldn't do anything but this still does NOT make the economic downward spiral the fault of Bush. I could care less that the median family income went up or that a group of people did better than previous. These could just be coincidence with Clinton in office, even, to some exent, but it is neglible now because of the fix we're in which could have been prevented to an extent.
And as far as catching Saddam: about freaking time! This is an issue that Clinton should have followed up Daddy Bush and did a LONG time ago. For those that bring up how we found no weapons of mass destruction I exclaim we did: Saddam, his family, and his regime. Plus, war is good for the economy (always has been), so why blame Bush for trying to improve the economy?
So, really, what, in the long run, did Clinton do, given that right after his run of years we began to fall into an economic pit? These "postives" have little effect at all now.
Forgive me, but sidestepping the issue annoys the hell out of me.
I'm not going to comment on this because I would seriously be accused of trolling if I spoke my mind on this, and probally get yelled at from a bunch of people. So, I'll just say: "Could have been a lot worse though! Imagine Ross Perot as president!"