are you the same lkcl that provides so much useful information regarding rtmpdump? If so, thanks, and is there any corellation between that and this endeavor?
yea, "Linux, it works!" The more fragmentation the more places its working, the more the word gets out. non-techies each/all have their techies to goto. Those techies are saying linux every time they say ubuntu or droid or webserver or whatever. it drove the net while M$ was asleep at the wheel, it persists while the niche that is windows fades like a bad memory.
you're correct, but i think linux has come to mean more than an OS only a geek could love. It has come to represent more than bits, but choice, security, openness, tons of (free) apps...
Linux is and has been the face of (F)OSS and despite having no marketing budgets has slowly encroached upon the mainstream world of computing, bit by bit, to become nearly universal in adoption. Purely on the staying power of its faithful, while the others get hoisted/hosed on their own pitards.
I rather like the ring of "linux everywhere". Much better than finding out some com adopts the name and releases a sucky product that tarnishes an otherwise near-perfect record of adoption. My 70+ father-in-law and my 14yo nephew both know distro and what drives it. In another generation the word will be like kleenex if not there already.
who gives two iotas about distro or DM/WM? Its just about the apps one uses and making sure the data is exportable. for a clienthost it could be maildirs or gimp files (file-types, *.ext) for a serverhost its just the data (sql,configs...), which is/shouldbe compartmentalized from the OS, maybe even
virtualized (in containers, kvm/xen,lvm/volumes...) so who cares if i decide to switch from deb2slack or cent2bsd even?
Pot (govt), Kettle (mafia) I used to be a believer in democracy and the rule of law. Now I feel that laws are the hammer of the Elites and we simple citizens are pawns in the ruthless games of conquest between Organized Elites and Organized criminals. They are an equivalency, they often work together to the same ends and they both do not care an iota about the harm done to society writ large. Each use their wealth and power to purchase the same types of people who have an unnatural need to be an 'authority' figure holding the less-pointy end of the stick at the masses who often find themselves victims of circumstance and who want to just get on with their lives.
As I've posted elsewhere, and advocated forever, the 1st distro to offer a combined client/server platform that runs only with encryption (gpg), TSL/SSL, etc... will win the day. Non-techies won't have to know all the details of why their home machines are safer; only that they are using the best security has to offer. With easy-2-use gui's for configuration of their services/servers and a dydns addresss, they would have complete granularity over what they share and how. Nice pipe dream of mine.
Agreed. And a working solution might be to consider trading the issue of net-neutrality w/the telcos in exchange for them allowing end-users to run their own servers/services.
This way everyone can have their own XMPP and give accounts to those they want to 'talk' to. Installing something like "Deb-Secure", end-users could run their own 'face-book' webapps and have fine-grained controls over what gets shared - no advertising; and over SSL/TLS - less DPI.
Decentralization has always been found to be a good antidote to most problems in computing and communication - my.02
"Typical...." It's not that ppl ask the 'wrong' question as much as not asking a well-formed, detailed, specific question. And the examples of this (regardless of the ? or OS) are too numerous to bother citing.
"compared to the..." Yes, I'll stand by that statement. M$ is a POS in every regard. A monopolist company who knowing releases buggy, unsafe, software that has cost the computing world billions to patch and repair. Again, to many examples of M$ leveraging its hegemony with their crappy systems to cite.
If you like win7, fine, use it; it has its merits. But Windows sucks compared to any other OS, both as servers and as clients. Linux tries to emulate nothing, specially Redmond, and it's userbase is stubborn, for good reasons.
"Automatically...." Nothing automatic about it. I call it a POS not because I am un-intelligent regarding its use; but because I have seen its impact over 20 years of M$ hegemony.
I can understand your adhering to M$ if you absolutely need some app that won't run on another OS. You have my sympathy. But if everything I continue to maintain further re-inforces your (faulty) perceptions, please, please, do not use Linux or FOSS. You're the type of twit that the community doesn't need.
I don't think you'll find anyone who'll uncategorically vouch for anything, but I've had a few different laptops (incl. HP and Dell) and, though reluctant to admit it, have found Toshiba's to be my primary choice. I do have S2D: hibernation and sleep working, but it took a lot of digging to get right.
Some issues are distro related: For instance, to not have screen-blanking when closing the lid. The fix: ("Lock screen when screensaver is active") is more ubuntu/compiz related than toshiba hardware specific. Or getting dhcp to force a new lease on wakup. Or restarting the sound daemon.
Others are purely hardware related to toshiba and settings/scripts that had to be added to/etc/acpi/events/
It would be nice if vendors were more supportive and I suppose one could pay a premium and get a 'laptops4linux' box equipped and shipped with those deliverables..
If/when I get another laptop I'm going to see if the liveCD can handle suspend/resume... before doing the install, but I haven't tried it yet.
The more immediate issue for me will be when I want a tablet that 'purports' to do native Linux (like an eePC transformer or maybe an Acer) running ARM/Mali/... chipsets.
My experience w/Linux on laptops has generally been satisfactory (uptimes in months) with just a few down-sides that unfortunately consume far too much time to get working perfectly.
I hope that's not going to be the same for netbooks and pads, but expect it will.
I can guarantee that for 99.9% of any questions you may have the answer is already out there; you only need to know how and where to look.
But no, searching for an answer is much more difficult and time-consuming than posting a (usually poorly framed) question that has dupes mirrored and littered all over the net.
The linux community is generously helpful writ large; which is why Linux continues to work even as platforms grow ever more complex and diversified.
If you're not just trolling, sorry your experience did not meet your expectations; but i suspect that it's more a reflection on you than on the world of linux-users or the OS itself.
For those who don't need to tweak-n-tune, most disros work out of the box, as my elderly, non-geeky, family members will happily confirm. Ubuntu, Slack, Mint,... just install and use.. Any occasional issue is usually a quick fix away.
That said, there will always be issues, mostly network and graphics related, because of vendor's poor hardware support for OSS.
Finally, although i sympathize with you to some extent regarding the time overhead of getting your system working the way you want/need, I'll continue to rely on the most secure, flexible and open system compared to the POS you have chosen as yours.
I'm not saying that posted speed limits are not based on some metric and evidence, but that they are (or should be) secondary to a driver's common sense (sorely lacking in most cases) regarding whata they see and what they know about both their skills and their vehicle.
Which is precisely what makes a posted limit generally meaningless. Yes, most/many drivers are fools; they default to 'autopilot' and their skills are seriously lacking. But I would rather they be off the road or better trained/tested rather than lowering the bar for their sakes. Let them take mass transit or ride a bike if they can't learn to drive competently or responsibly. Driving should be a right, not a priv; but it's a right that needs to be earned.
I know in my heart that one day a generation will exist who has no idea how to drive a vehicle. The bigger loss is that they will have no idea how to drive a society.
Christ on a crutch, what a bunch of wimpy responses; and the higher the UUIDs get, the more namby-pamby the reasoning seems to get.
"If you're not speeding then...."
"Speed kills...."
"Cops have every right to use available tech to catch the bad guys..."
Oh, just FOAD already!.
You're not even addressing the bigger issue, which is not public safety; but numbers concocted to justify greater surveliance and enforcement powers.
Speeding alone does not kill; repeat speed does not kill. Loss of control kills. Bad windshield wipers, old age, being under some influence or other, bad tempers, texting. Being distracted and not paying attention, that's what causes injury or death.
Speed limits are also arbitrary, a posted limit in New England is for 'winter' safe speeds, the lowest possible rate. And 25mph at 3PM is totally different than 25mph at 3AM. Speed limits are meaningless for anyone with an ounce of common sense; they are at best recommendations and would be better heeded if they just said 'please'
You sissies! You want a nanny state that 'thinks of the children' because you are crappy parents; to protect your right to graze in front of the tube. Succumbing to cry-babies like you who never considered the blowback of your desires vreating a State that treats everyone like children.
Protect your own F'in selves! Be present! Be aware of what's around you; Try defensive driving. Bec if you are in ANY kind of accident, it's partially your fault. You'd have seen it comming if you were more alert and attentive to what's around you. Probably spare yourself getting hit, or mugged, or worse.
I'm seriously sick of talking this shit that gives LEA ever more power just to cover your lazy, ignorant, asses. When the better approach is focusing on enforcing outcomes only! If you cause an accident - you lose your license, period. You hurt somebody, you pay for their loss and serve some time. Make the punishment force you to think twice before getting behind the wheel or whipping our your cell.
You know, being held accountable for your actions that actually cause harm.
My 20yr old (240K miles) 300z has not a dent or scratch on it. But i have plenty of speeding tickets. Its the cost of driving, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Passing the troop in wait behing some sign when my headlites were the only ones on the highway. Or and landing in the speed trap where Cops get to show they're "on the job" and filling their quotas. They could have pulled the car in front of or behind me over, no difference.
A few more 'points' in a 'no-fault' insurance racket, plea-bargaining, paying fines while denying guilt; this does not serve society. It serves PHB's, bureaucrats and their masters. Left to their own devices, we're getting cars that control us on streets that control cars in cities whose machines control the streets.
No doubt, you will call this 'living'. A civilization of idiots, a parliment of crows. Thought-crime and skynet and drones, oh my.
Welcome to the future, we got what we deserved.
I'd love to see an E17/Illume WM/DM replace harmattan/freemantle on N9 and meego devices.
Ubuntu: just give me a full "pocket-PC" that works well as a phone/radio that i can control like all my other devices. Bonus points for speech recognition and synthesizer (arctic/cmu?)
My only complaint, after 12 or more years of use, compiling from src, svn, bhodi, etc.., is that is compiles everything releated to settings and is thus difficult to hand-roll in some dotfile.
As usual, simplicity up front courts complexity up the rear, i wish it had more config flexibility.
Also, just remembered; i with they would revert e remote back to the older version that had more controls. The later version stripped out much that i found highly desirable; beyond the wonderfull abiity to restart the DE
longtime e user here for every reason you've cited and the fact that no other WM/DE has an analog to enlightenment_remote that lets me restart it from a console or ssh session.
Note: this is also a good place to use xrandr or other window manipulation tools To start the whole thing just do initctl start tty4 from any ol' place
i havent used/tried KDE in over a decade, mostly because all its apps are tied to kde base packages; which is/was hundreds of extra Mb more than should be needed. ldd 'k-app' usually only refs 6-9 kde libs, so why all the deps?
I really like kmail (for encryption) and use it on my workstation, the rest of the 'k' packages/apps just sit unused.
Or at least tweaking it to the point where it does what you want how you want it. Then it can go untouched forever.
As for gnome/kde: apt-get install e17 ecomp (oh look, wobbly windows:) I mention above bec enlightenment_remote is/was the one best feature gnome/kde lacks.
I suspect the only way to get even 1 viable 3rd party into mainstream consciousness and forcing the D-n-R zaibatsu to accomodate it is to treat each as separate factions of said 1 party (lets call it the Surprise Party).
The Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists, Justice-seekers, Pirates, Progs, etc... would pitch their candidates to the public from one stage and each party would accept the final results of their delegates vote.
Since many candidates/parties agree on more than not, being combined into 1 'opposition' party would get the numbers that mainstream could not ignore. It would attract independants, have a significant impact on State politics and present a respectible case nationally.
I watched DN last night and saw parts of that debate. What struck me was that both candidates presented themselves as well (or better than) the RandD candidates and were more direct with their answers. I also had the notion that if, by some miracle, the 3rd parties could meld themselves on those issues they agree with, then they could have a 'primary' and a (separate) political process that could take them into the mainstream consciousness.
Each party's machine would promote their candidates the same way as a DorR primary; with the losers throwing their support (and votes) to the winners regardless of their affiliation.
I believe that the Libs, greens, progs, constitutionalists, et. al. agree on more issues than not. Treating each segment the same way as different factions of One party that resolves at their primary seems to me the best way to get the numbers that mainstream cannot ignore.
We could call it the "Surprise Party" and its benefit would be greatest at the State level more than Federal.
The app is rather simple: its just a reminder app. The mechanism is to look at your hand, then look away, then look at your hand again.
The idea behind it is that what one does a lot of when awake creeps into our dreams and you will dream about looking at your hand, 2x.
The reason this is important is that lucid dreaming is controlled by the right hemi of the brain; the visual, emotional side. The left (logical) hemi tries to interpret what the right side is experiencing (emotional memories expressed in images).
When you look at your hand the second time in your dream, your hand will be deformed because the left hemi doesnt have time to process the info fast enough. So, like the top that never winds down, the dreamer knows, in their dream, that they are dreaming. This is the point where they have the ability to control their dream.
The most likely story: The U.S. launches a drone strike with some collateral dammage Those struck wait for an opportune moment to strike back To avoid calling attention to our continued clandestine war, the U.S. crys foul and points fingers.
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are you the same lkcl that provides so much useful information regarding rtmpdump?
If so, thanks, and is there any corellation between that and this endeavor?
yea, "Linux, it works!" The more fragmentation the more places its working, the more the word gets out. non-techies each/all have their techies to goto. Those techies are saying linux every time they say ubuntu or droid or webserver or whatever.
it drove the net while M$ was asleep at the wheel, it persists while the niche that is windows fades like a bad memory.
you're correct, but i think linux has come to mean more than an OS only a geek could love. It has come to represent more than bits, but choice, security, openness, tons of (free) apps...
Linux is and has been the face of (F)OSS and despite having no marketing budgets has slowly encroached upon the mainstream world of computing, bit by bit, to become nearly universal in adoption. Purely on the staying power of its faithful, while the others get hoisted/hosed on their own pitards.
I rather like the ring of "linux everywhere". Much better than finding out some com adopts the name and releases a sucky product that tarnishes an otherwise near-perfect record of adoption. My 70+ father-in-law and my 14yo nephew both know distro and what drives it. In another generation the word will be like kleenex if not there already.
who gives two iotas about distro or DM/WM?
Its just about the apps one uses and making sure the data is exportable.
for a clienthost it could be maildirs or gimp files (file-types, *.ext)
for a serverhost its just the data (sql,configs...), which is/shouldbe compartmentalized from the OS, maybe even
virtualized (in containers, kvm/xen,lvm/volumes...) so who cares if i decide to switch from deb2slack or cent2bsd even?
Pot (govt), Kettle (mafia)
I used to be a believer in democracy and the rule of law.
Now I feel that laws are the hammer of the Elites and we simple citizens are pawns in the ruthless games of conquest between Organized Elites and Organized criminals. They are an equivalency, they often work together to the same ends and they both do not care an iota about the harm done to society writ large.
Each use their wealth and power to purchase the same types of people who have an unnatural need to be an 'authority' figure holding the less-pointy end of the stick at the masses who often find themselves victims of circumstance and who want to just get on with their lives.
As I've posted elsewhere, and advocated forever, the 1st distro to offer a combined client/server platform that runs only with encryption (gpg), TSL/SSL, etc... will win the day.
Non-techies won't have to know all the details of why their home machines are safer; only that they are using the best security has to offer.
With easy-2-use gui's for configuration of their services/servers and a dydns addresss, they would have complete granularity over what they share and how.
Nice pipe dream of mine.
Agreed. And a working solution might be to consider trading the issue of net-neutrality w/the telcos in exchange for them allowing end-users to run their own servers/services.
This way everyone can have their own XMPP and give accounts to those they want to 'talk' to.
Installing something like "Deb-Secure", end-users could run their own 'face-book' webapps and have fine-grained controls over what gets shared - no advertising; and over SSL/TLS - less DPI.
Decentralization has always been found to be a good antidote to most problems in computing and communication - my .02
Oh, don't be such a cunt.
"Typical...."
It's not that ppl ask the 'wrong' question as much as not asking a well-formed, detailed, specific question. And the examples of this (regardless of the ? or OS) are too numerous to bother citing.
"compared to the ..."
Yes, I'll stand by that statement. M$ is a POS in every regard. A monopolist company who knowing releases buggy, unsafe, software that has cost the computing world billions to patch and repair.
Again, to many examples of M$ leveraging its hegemony with their crappy systems to cite.
If you like win7, fine, use it; it has its merits.
But Windows sucks compared to any other OS, both as servers and as clients. Linux tries to emulate nothing, specially Redmond, and it's userbase is stubborn, for good reasons.
"Automatically...."
Nothing automatic about it.
I call it a POS not because I am un-intelligent regarding its use; but because I have seen its impact over 20 years of M$ hegemony.
I can understand your adhering to M$ if you absolutely need some app that won't run on another OS. You have my sympathy. But
if everything I continue to maintain further re-inforces your (faulty) perceptions, please, please, do not use Linux or FOSS. You're the type of twit that the community doesn't need.
Hi:
I don't think you'll find anyone who'll uncategorically vouch for anything, but
I've had a few different laptops (incl. HP and Dell) and, though reluctant to admit it, have found Toshiba's to be my primary choice.
I do have S2D: hibernation and sleep working, but it took a lot of digging to get right.
Some issues are distro related:
For instance, to not have screen-blanking when closing the lid. The fix: ("Lock screen when screensaver is active") is more ubuntu/compiz related than toshiba hardware specific.
Or getting dhcp to force a new lease on wakup.
Or restarting the sound daemon.
Others are purely hardware related to toshiba and settings/scripts that had to be added to /etc/acpi/events/
It would be nice if vendors were more supportive and I suppose one could pay a premium and get a 'laptops4linux' box equipped and shipped with those deliverables..
If/when I get another laptop I'm going to see if the liveCD can handle suspend/resume... before doing the install, but I haven't tried it yet.
The more immediate issue for me will be when I want a tablet that 'purports' to do native Linux (like an eePC transformer or maybe an Acer) running ARM/Mali/... chipsets.
My experience w/Linux on laptops has generally been satisfactory (uptimes in months) with just a few down-sides that unfortunately consume far too much time to get working perfectly.
I hope that's not going to be the same for netbooks and pads, but expect it will.
I can guarantee that for 99.9% of any questions you may have the answer is already out there; you only need to know how and where to look.
But no, searching for an answer is much more difficult and time-consuming than posting a (usually poorly framed) question that has dupes mirrored and littered all over the net.
The linux community is generously helpful writ large; which is why Linux continues to work even as platforms grow ever more complex and diversified.
If you're not just trolling, sorry your experience did not meet your expectations; but i suspect that it's more a reflection on you than on the world of linux-users or the OS itself.
For those who don't need to tweak-n-tune, most disros work out of the box, as my elderly, non-geeky, family members will happily confirm.
Ubuntu, Slack, Mint,... just install and use..
Any occasional issue is usually a quick fix away.
That said, there will always be issues, mostly network and graphics related, because of vendor's poor hardware support for OSS.
Finally, although i sympathize with you to some extent regarding the time overhead of getting your system working the way you want/need, I'll continue to rely on the most secure, flexible and open system compared to the POS you have chosen as yours.
I'm not saying that posted speed limits are not based on some metric and evidence, but that they are (or should be) secondary to a driver's common sense (sorely lacking in most cases) regarding whata they see and what they know about both their skills and their vehicle.
Which is precisely what makes a posted limit generally meaningless.
Yes, most/many drivers are fools; they default to 'autopilot' and their skills are seriously lacking. But I would rather they be off the road or better trained/tested rather than lowering the bar for their sakes.
Let them take mass transit or ride a bike if they can't learn to drive competently or responsibly.
Driving should be a right, not a priv; but it's a right that needs to be earned.
I know in my heart that one day a generation will exist who has no idea how to drive a vehicle.
The bigger loss is that they will have no idea how to drive a society.
Christ on a crutch, what a bunch of wimpy responses; and the higher the UUIDs get, the more namby-pamby the reasoning seems to get.
"If you're not speeding then ...."
"Speed kills...."
"Cops have every right to use available tech to catch the bad guys..."
Oh, just FOAD already!.
You're not even addressing the bigger issue, which is not public safety; but numbers concocted to justify greater surveliance and enforcement powers.
Speeding alone does not kill; repeat speed does not kill. Loss of control kills. Bad windshield wipers, old age, being under some influence or other, bad tempers, texting. Being distracted and not paying attention, that's what causes injury or death.
Speed limits are also arbitrary, a posted limit in New England is for 'winter' safe speeds, the lowest possible rate. And 25mph at 3PM is totally different than 25mph at 3AM. Speed limits are meaningless for anyone with an ounce of common sense; they are at best recommendations and would be better heeded if they just said 'please'
You sissies! You want a nanny state that 'thinks of the children' because you are crappy parents; to protect your right to graze in front of the tube. Succumbing to cry-babies like you who never considered the blowback of your desires vreating a State that treats everyone like children.
Protect your own F'in selves! Be present! Be aware of what's around you; Try defensive driving. Bec if you are in ANY kind of accident, it's partially your fault. You'd have seen it comming if you were more alert and attentive to what's around you. Probably spare yourself getting hit, or mugged, or worse.
I'm seriously sick of talking this shit that gives LEA ever more power just to cover your lazy, ignorant, asses. When the better approach is focusing on enforcing outcomes only! If you cause an accident - you lose your license, period. You hurt somebody, you pay for their loss and serve some time. Make the punishment force you to think twice before getting behind the wheel or whipping our your cell.
You know, being held accountable for your actions that actually cause harm.
My 20yr old (240K miles) 300z has not a dent or scratch on it. But i have plenty of speeding tickets. Its the cost of driving, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Passing the troop in wait behing some sign when my headlites were the only ones on the highway.
Or and landing in the speed trap where Cops get to show they're "on the job" and filling their quotas. They could have pulled the car in front of or behind me over, no difference.
A few more 'points' in a 'no-fault' insurance racket, plea-bargaining, paying fines while denying guilt; this does not serve society. It serves PHB's, bureaucrats and their masters. Left to their own devices, we're getting cars that control us on streets that control cars in cities whose machines control the streets.
No doubt, you will call this 'living'. A civilization of idiots, a parliment of crows.
Thought-crime and skynet and drones, oh my.
Welcome to the future, we got what we deserved.
P.S. Get off my lawn
I'd love to see an E17/Illume WM/DM replace harmattan/freemantle on N9 and meego devices.
Ubuntu: just give me a full "pocket-PC" that works well as a phone/radio that i can control like all my other devices. Bonus points for speech recognition and synthesizer (arctic/cmu?)
My only complaint, after 12 or more years of use, compiling from src, svn, bhodi, etc.., is that is compiles everything releated to settings and is thus difficult to hand-roll in some dotfile.
As usual, simplicity up front courts complexity up the rear, i wish it had more config flexibility.
Also, just remembered; i with they would revert e remote back to the older version that had more controls. The later version stripped out much that i found highly desirable; beyond the wonderfull abiity to restart the DE
longtime e user here for every reason you've cited and the fact that no other WM/DE has an analog to enlightenment_remote that lets me restart it from a console or ssh session.
The easy way was previously replied, the robust way is this:
change etc/init/tty4.conf to something like this:
start on runlevel [2345] /bin/openvt -f -w -c 4 -- su - -- username -l -c "/usr/bin/startx -- :4 -config xorg.conf -layout DefaultLayout -depth 24 -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp vt10"
stop on runlevel [!2345]
emits starting-tty4
script
# startx -- -logverbose 6
exec
end script
Above will start X using a specific conf, layout, dpi, ... Then use home/username/.xinitrc to launch and manipulate the desired app:
aTTY=`/usr/bin/tty`; /path/to/script/or/app >> $INITRC_LOG 3>&1 /bin/chvt 10
elif [ "$aTTY" = "/dev/tty4" ]; then
XINITRC_LOG="/var/log/tty4.log"
exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session
sleep(2)
Note: this is also a good place to use xrandr or other window manipulation tools
To start the whole thing just do
initctl start tty4
from any ol' place
Hope this helps
and its only annoying bec its not audio,... or wetware 8)
i havent used/tried KDE in over a decade, mostly because all its apps are tied to kde base packages; which is/was hundreds of extra Mb more than should be needed. ldd 'k-app' usually only refs 6-9 kde libs, so why all the deps?
I really like kmail (for encryption) and use it on my workstation, the rest of the 'k' packages/apps just sit unused.
Or at least tweaking it to the point where it does what you want how you want it. Then it can go untouched forever.
As for gnome/kde:
apt-get install e17 ecomp
(oh look, wobbly windows:)
I mention above bec enlightenment_remote is/was the one best feature gnome/kde lacks.
I suspect the only way to get even 1 viable 3rd party into mainstream consciousness and forcing the D-n-R zaibatsu to accomodate it is to treat each as separate factions of said 1 party (lets call it the Surprise Party).
The Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists, Justice-seekers, Pirates, Progs, etc... would pitch their candidates to the public from one stage
and each party would accept the final results of their delegates vote.
Since many candidates/parties agree on more than not, being combined into 1 'opposition' party would get the numbers that mainstream could not ignore. It would attract independants, have a significant impact on State politics and present a respectible case nationally.
my .02
I watched DN last night and saw parts of that debate. What struck me was that both candidates presented themselves as well (or better than) the RandD candidates and were more direct with their answers.
I also had the notion that if, by some miracle, the 3rd parties could meld themselves on those issues they agree with, then they could have a 'primary' and a (separate) political process that could take them into the mainstream consciousness.
Each party's machine would promote their candidates the same way as a DorR primary; with
the losers throwing their support (and votes) to the winners regardless of their affiliation.
I believe that the Libs, greens, progs, constitutionalists, et. al. agree on more issues than not. Treating each segment the same way as different factions of One party that resolves at their primary seems to me the best way to get the numbers that mainstream cannot ignore.
We could call it the "Surprise Party" and its benefit would be greatest at the State level more than Federal.
Since you mentioned 'Inception' I thought I'd comment that I found and installed an app on my N900 called "realitycheck"
http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/n900-desktop-widget-lucid-dreaming-reality-check.html
The app is rather simple: its just a reminder app.
The mechanism is to look at your hand, then look away, then look at your hand again.
The idea behind it is that what one does a lot of when awake creeps into our dreams and you will dream about looking at your hand, 2x.
The reason this is important is that lucid dreaming is controlled by the right hemi of the brain; the visual, emotional side.
The left (logical) hemi tries to interpret what the right side is experiencing (emotional memories expressed in images).
When you look at your hand the second time in your dream, your hand will be deformed because the left hemi doesnt have time to process the info fast enough. So, like the top that never winds down, the dreamer knows, in their dream, that they are dreaming.
This is the point where they have the ability to control their dream.
I'l log out and mod you up if you'd s/morm/mor/g
And to spare a reply to Hatta: I'm giving my vote to the Surprise Party
The most likely story:
The U.S. launches a drone strike with some collateral dammage
Those struck wait for an opportune moment to strike back
To avoid calling attention to our continued clandestine war, the U.S. crys foul and points fingers.
Funny how that works..