Why does the fact that the product is software has anything to do with the restrictions applied to it, compared to any other product for sale? It's an artificial construct that it requires or deserves special treatment. The software itself is protected by copyright, and IMO that's all the protection it needs.
Why is it okay for a car manufacturer to specify which car models his air filter fits? shouldn't you just be able to go out and put the airfilter on any car you like? Who are THEY to tell you what you can and cannot do?
How could anyone be held to terms for which they don't gain something worthwhile in return?
Obviously IANAL, but here is my take on this:
You don't. But they do not force you to buy the OS X version. If it clearly states it is only meant to be used with specific equipment and only sold for that purpose then why do you want to enter the contract in the first place?
Now Apple probably could care less if you do it in your own basement for your own joy, but to publicly go out and give / tell everybody (or help them) to shoehorn it onto equipment it isn't supposed to be on is something that should concern them.
For once the lost revenue, but moreso their image that may get tainted in the process if your super duper patch doesn't really do what it is supposed to do.
Why? If I want to hack it apart and make it run on my Dell, that's too bad for Apple. They can say "Only for use on Apple computers!" till they're blue in the face, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to them.
And they don't have to sell it to you.
If they give it to you under the clear understanding that you only install it on their hardware and you BUY it and then do otherwise you're in breach of contract, because the moment you forked over the money you agreed to this condition.
no software vendor has the moral (legal is up in the air somewhat...)right to tell customers who bought their software, how and where to run their software. once the purchase has been made, it no longer still belongs to the manufacturer.
They don't need to sell you the software either. If they tell you it's only for their hardware than that's that, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. If you buy it anyways, you have to live with it's limitations.
Too many restaurants refuse to cook meat anything under "medium" - hell I'll sign a waiver to eat a burger medium rare!
Strange, here in Canada at least I have no problem getting my Steak Medium Rare, though when it comes to Hamburger (well, chains anyways), at times I'd think they sell me charcoal:/
omeone even asked me if I should be rushed to the hospital because my steak was "too pink".
Okay, that is just TOO funny.
My mother was like that as well, when I ordered a steak Medium Rare she sort of sniffed her nose. I agree, a good steak needs to "bleed" a bit when you cut into it.
Eat that fucking natural meat and cook it rare.
It depends on the kind of meat, some really is goo d well done, especially if you cook something that simmers for a long time.
See, no bacteria - especially when I cook it till it's charcoal.
Ah yes, the bacteria thing.
I think the funniest thing was when a collegue came to one of my Duathlons and the bottle on my bike had an open cover, just a mesh in it. It was drizzling and he looked at me in distaste and asked me: "Aren't you going to cover that? There will be dirt in your drink." to which I just laughed and said no.
Hey, what is an Immune system for if not to be challenged?
It has always been good faith. When you had a piece of paper backed by a government that said they would give you gold for it if you asked, how many people actually asked? What would happen if the government told someone "no"? Could you really walk in with a $1 bill and walk out with $1 worth of gold? The way it worked was no different in execution than today. The only difference is that when paper money was started, it was claimed to be backed by other materials to get people comfortable with the idea of artificial values assigned to money. Once people were comfortable with it, it was no longer necessary.
It is not so much about the individual, but the USD is also used as the currency any OTHER currency in the world is measured against, that is more than just appealing to the vanity of the people of the US there are some real reasons for this, up until the end of WWII it was the British Pound that had the "lead" now it is the USD, and pretty much anybody in one way or the other hinges on the health of the USD.
Wait, so the cause of the crash in 1929 is because we went off the gold standard in 1970 something? And there is something that secures the major currency, it is the government itself. Do you think that if the government collapsed that the replacement government would be held to the promisary nature of notes issued by the previous government? No, your paper is just as worthless with the "backed by gold" stamp on it as the "backed by nothing" stamp on it. All of it was faith baised, but some people are too myopic to see that because they have to imagine it as a place holder for something else, and not the actual end in itself.
The problem is that if the US Government would go broke, ALL The currencies in the world would tank as well. The reason I pointed to 1929 is not because of saying that it had the same causes, but that the impact will be just as severe if not worse.
Read up on Brenton Woods and the new coined "Brenton Woods II" to see what I mean.
Right now the US (and thus to some degree the world) is living on the sheer hope that it will all work out.
The reason for Gold is rather simple: There is only a limited amount of Gold available. That is what makes gold so precious.
The difference with the current system is that the US (or any country for that matter) can just print money as they please, there is no LIMIT to how much money a country can produce and spew out.
As the USD is the "master currency" to which pretty much all other currencies are compared this is bad. Because the faith of the entire economic system rests on the USD and the US Fed.
Gold at least gives the currency an artifical ceiling which it doens't have right now.
Even worse, thanks to the fact that most transcation these days aren't even made anymore in "hard coin" they are just digits that zip through networks. Granted, there are "safe guards", but you being here on Slashdot probably realize that no system is 100% safe, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is MORE USD out there than actually exist.
You do know that the entire currency system these days is just based on "good faith"?
Yeah, originally there was gold to back up the money that was in circulation, but the US of A stopped doing that back in the 70s, sold the gold for more money and right now there is NOTHING that secures ANY of the major currencies.
I am almost certain that one day that'll bite us in the ass again like it did on black thursday.
Or at least, it's just as real as a piece of music, or a movie, or a book
MMMhh, not sure if I agree with that.
A book is a real physical object, sure the "entertainment" value doesn't happen until it hits your brain, but still....
A piece of Music is going the same way, so does a movie, also all of them are linear, and they are not trying to "replace" your world but rather are part of your world.
What the article (after briefly skimming it) seems to suggest is that the technology soon will allow us NOT to distringuish anymore between our real world and the game world.
Okay, you can argue now that this makes it even more real than a book, but it does not make it more real than your life. If your body dies, then it's game over for good.
Nobody is making a mental disconnect between the two "places"
I take it you have never forgotten where you are while reading a book?
I find it a bit unlikely with the current technology, but given a few more years I think that's highly likely. Especially if people are more and more NOT doing thing outside their houses.
Of course, what most people seem to forget is that behind the publisher (who does provided some value), there is the AUTHOR, who wrote the silly thing to start with, and, probably, would not choose to give up a couple of years of his life for free.
My understanding is that most of the Authors don't really get paid a lot for college textbooks either. And a Professor that is already teaching could easily write on the course subject and make it available.
If you combine several universities together to share the work / resources it would be even easier.
Wikipedia in a way is already showing that it CAN work (how well I guess time will tell).
And at the moment, books transactions between the student and the publishers, with the university in the approval proccess. Asking them to commission paid works, edit them, and "publish" them for their entire curriculum seems a bit much to me...
Start somewhere, heck, start with CS considering that OSS and GNU are already very popular there. If it works out I am sure other disciplines will join in.
One may argue that music is a "good" that can be traded and thus pirated.
But knowledge (and that is what text books are about) that build the foundation for our society should not only be free (as in speech) but be affordable to anyone who wants to aquire it.
The idea that this knowledge should be kept behind lock and key in order to "ensure" that pubslishers are well off is just outright stupid. It does limit the access for the common person to this knowledge and thus (in the long run) will damage society as a whole.
Instead of trying to give Publishers more money, why not have the universities produce the textbooks and put them Online. The Transmission of text is easy to do these days, with virtually every student having a notebook having those with them isn't an issue either. They want to print them? Let 'em, who cares? It is about spreading knowledge, or have I misunderstood something about the educational system?
Keeping track of what you kids do on the internet IS RAISING YOUR CHILD PROPERLY!
Actually teaching your kids to be responsible is what means raising your child properly. If you really think you can prevent them from seeing "bad stuff(TM)" then you are a dreamer. They WILL find a way if they want to and you won't be able to stop them.
Maybe they don't do it at your house but at someone elses, or maybe they go "wardriving" with their wireless laptop.
What it comes down to is that you have to make them understand what is out there and why they shouldn't be there.
That of course assumes you actually are out to get your kids out of the house in a responsible manner, rather than nanny them all their life.
And yes, Age definetly plays a factor, if they are too young to understand that concept you have to have barriers, but those should come down the older they become.
If you can't trust your kids, then who can you trust?
High schoolers are, on average, less mature than college kids are, and tend to lose and break anything that's remotely portable.
Having the pleasure of living near a large University I can tell you that most Students in University aren't much more mature than their highschool counter parts, especially not if they can finally legally drink and do so until they puke, it seems what ever "growing up" they may have done since Highschool is getting washed down with the alcohol.
$100,000 of unsecured credit card debt, spent on luxury consumables would be considered disasterous. $100,000 of secured debt on a home would be considered a good investment.
It would only be considered a good investement if the house isn't overvalued.
What the Bubble goes about though is that if a lot of people are nose deep in debt (because of the house, or because of the luxury items they bought) than there is a good chance that if they lose their job they'll lose their house and if that happens to a lot of people at the same time, the housing market will come down.
Yeah, but the manufacturer doesn't really have an incentive to make it temper proof. They have their money the moment the goods hit the loading dock of the reseller.
The reseller themselves may have an interest, but more likely not, because if they can sell the product with "almost as new" packaging they don't have to give you such a price break.
Best Buy so far was good with returns, I bought a Bluetooth headset that was just horrible (soundquality wise) and returned it without a problem. When I tried to connect the Microsoft Wireless Adpater for my XBox with my network at home and it didn't work I could return it without a hinch as well.
In both cases the packaging allowed me to take the goods out without destroying it in the process. Not sure if they marked them as "open item" or not, but ultimatly even if not, it'll be an easier sell than if I had to shred the box or use a chainsaw to open it (blister packs suck).
Actually quite the opposit. The kid was under 18 so he only got a slap on the wrist, in other words: He may have learned a lesson and don't do it again.
If he'd been an adult and charged for Fraud then, well, as an adult he should have been aware of the risk.
Friendship doesn't mean that you let them get away with murder (or Fraud).
It's your own fault that you still listen to commerical radio.
Since I stopped doing that (and more or less turned my TV off) I am so outside of "mainstream" that I don't even know anymore what's "cool" and what isn't.
And yet, I still sleep well at night and don't have some obnoxious songs going through my head at all times of the day.
It would be stupid for Apple to try and become "mainstream".
They live of their exclusive reputation. Sure, iPods are everywhere, but they are comparable cheap. That is like Mercedes selling watches etc. that anybody can afford and at least get some "shine" from the brand.
I doubt they will get cheaper (and that is the deciding factor for most people), I doubt they'll have clones being made because they would canibalise their business.
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Why is it okay for a car manufacturer to specify which car models his air filter fits? shouldn't you just be able to go out and put the airfilter on any car you like? Who are THEY to tell you what you can and cannot do?
Obviously IANAL, but here is my take on this:
You don't. But they do not force you to buy the OS X version. If it clearly states it is only meant to be used with specific equipment and only sold for that purpose then why do you want to enter the contract in the first place?
Now Apple probably could care less if you do it in your own basement for your own joy, but to publicly go out and give / tell everybody (or help them) to shoehorn it onto equipment it isn't supposed to be on is something that should concern them.
For once the lost revenue, but moreso their image that may get tainted in the process if your super duper patch doesn't really do what it is supposed to do.
And they don't have to sell it to you.
If they give it to you under the clear understanding that you only install it on their hardware and you BUY it and then do otherwise you're in breach of contract, because the moment you forked over the money you agreed to this condition.
Huh? You can only buy Apples? There are no other computers?
They don't need to sell you the software either. If they tell you it's only for their hardware than that's that, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. If you buy it anyways, you have to live with it's limitations.
Actually in that case it's the synthetic IN the meat.
Strange, here in Canada at least I have no problem getting my Steak Medium Rare, though when it comes to Hamburger (well, chains anyways), at times I'd think they sell me charcoal
Okay, that is just TOO funny.
My mother was like that as well, when I ordered a steak Medium Rare she sort of sniffed her nose. I agree, a good steak needs to "bleed" a bit when you cut into it.
It depends on the kind of meat, some really is goo d well done, especially if you cook something that simmers for a long time.
Ah yes, the bacteria thing.
I think the funniest thing was when a collegue came to one of my Duathlons and the bottle on my bike had an open cover, just a mesh in it. It was drizzling and he looked at me in distaste and asked me: "Aren't you going to cover that? There will be dirt in your drink." to which I just laughed and said no.
Hey, what is an Immune system for if not to be challenged?
It is not so much about the individual, but the USD is also used as the currency any OTHER currency in the world is measured against, that is more than just appealing to the vanity of the people of the US there are some real reasons for this, up until the end of WWII it was the British Pound that had the "lead" now it is the USD, and pretty much anybody in one way or the other hinges on the health of the USD.
The problem is that if the US Government would go broke, ALL The currencies in the world would tank as well. The reason I pointed to 1929 is not because of saying that it had the same causes, but that the impact will be just as severe if not worse.
Read up on Brenton Woods and the new coined "Brenton Woods II" to see what I mean.
Right now the US (and thus to some degree the world) is living on the sheer hope that it will all work out.
The reason for Gold is rather simple: There is only a limited amount of Gold available. That is what makes gold so precious.
The difference with the current system is that the US (or any country for that matter) can just print money as they please, there is no LIMIT to how much money a country can produce and spew out.
As the USD is the "master currency" to which pretty much all other currencies are compared this is bad. Because the faith of the entire economic system rests on the USD and the US Fed.
Gold at least gives the currency an artifical ceiling which it doens't have right now.
Even worse, thanks to the fact that most transcation these days aren't even made anymore in "hard coin" they are just digits that zip through networks. Granted, there are "safe guards", but you being here on Slashdot probably realize that no system is 100% safe, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is MORE USD out there than actually exist.
You do know that the entire currency system these days is just based on "good faith"?
Yeah, originally there was gold to back up the money that was in circulation, but the US of A stopped doing that back in the 70s, sold the gold for more money and right now there is NOTHING that secures ANY of the major currencies.
I am almost certain that one day that'll bite us in the ass again like it did on black thursday.
MMMhh, not sure if I agree with that.
A book is a real physical object, sure the "entertainment" value doesn't happen until it hits your brain, but still....
A piece of Music is going the same way, so does a movie, also all of them are linear, and they are not trying to "replace" your world but rather are part of your world.
What the article (after briefly skimming it) seems to suggest is that the technology soon will allow us NOT to distringuish anymore between our real world and the game world.
Okay, you can argue now that this makes it even more real than a book, but it does not make it more real than your life. If your body dies, then it's game over for good.
I take it you have never forgotten where you are while reading a book?
I find it a bit unlikely with the current technology, but given a few more years I think that's highly likely. Especially if people are more and more NOT doing thing outside their houses.
My understanding is that most of the Authors don't really get paid a lot for college textbooks either. And a Professor that is already teaching could easily write on the course subject and make it available.
If you combine several universities together to share the work / resources it would be even easier.
Wikipedia in a way is already showing that it CAN work (how well I guess time will tell).
Start somewhere, heck, start with CS considering that OSS and GNU are already very popular there. If it works out I am sure other disciplines will join in.
One may argue that music is a "good" that can be traded and thus pirated.
But knowledge (and that is what text books are about) that build the foundation for our society should not only be free (as in speech) but be affordable to anyone who wants to aquire it.
The idea that this knowledge should be kept behind lock and key in order to "ensure" that pubslishers are well off is just outright stupid. It does limit the access for the common person to this knowledge and thus (in the long run) will damage society as a whole.
Instead of trying to give Publishers more money, why not have the universities produce the textbooks and put them Online. The Transmission of text is easy to do these days, with virtually every student having a notebook having those with them isn't an issue either. They want to print them? Let 'em, who cares? It is about spreading knowledge, or have I misunderstood something about the educational system?
Actually teaching your kids to be responsible is what means raising your child properly. If you really think you can prevent them from seeing "bad stuff(TM)" then you are a dreamer. They WILL find a way if they want to and you won't be able to stop them.
Maybe they don't do it at your house but at someone elses, or maybe they go "wardriving" with their wireless laptop.
What it comes down to is that you have to make them understand what is out there and why they shouldn't be there.
That of course assumes you actually are out to get your kids out of the house in a responsible manner, rather than nanny them all their life.
And yes, Age definetly plays a factor, if they are too young to understand that concept you have to have barriers, but those should come down the older they become.
If you can't trust your kids, then who can you trust?
Having the pleasure of living near a large University I can tell you that most Students in University aren't much more mature than their highschool counter parts, especially not if they can finally legally drink and do so until they puke, it seems what ever "growing up" they may have done since Highschool is getting washed down with the alcohol.
It would only be considered a good investement if the house isn't overvalued.
What the Bubble goes about though is that if a lot of people are nose deep in debt (because of the house, or because of the luxury items they bought) than there is a good chance that if they lose their job they'll lose their house and if that happens to a lot of people at the same time, the housing market will come down.
Yeah, but the manufacturer doesn't really have an incentive to make it temper proof. They have their money the moment the goods hit the loading dock of the reseller.
The reseller themselves may have an interest, but more likely not, because if they can sell the product with "almost as new" packaging they don't have to give you such a price break.
Best Buy so far was good with returns, I bought a Bluetooth headset that was just horrible (soundquality wise) and returned it without a problem. When I tried to connect the Microsoft Wireless Adpater for my XBox with my network at home and it didn't work I could return it without a hinch as well.
In both cases the packaging allowed me to take the goods out without destroying it in the process. Not sure if they marked them as "open item" or not, but ultimatly even if not, it'll be an easier sell than if I had to shred the box or use a chainsaw to open it (blister packs suck).
Actually quite the opposit. The kid was under 18 so he only got a slap on the wrist, in other words: He may have learned a lesson and don't do it again.
If he'd been an adult and charged for Fraud then, well, as an adult he should have been aware of the risk.
Friendship doesn't mean that you let them get away with murder (or Fraud).
You don't realize Sarcasm very easily, do you?
Why isn't the white PSP coming black ear phones?
I mean seriously, they packed white ones with a black device, where is the continuity?
It's your own fault that you still listen to commerical radio.
Since I stopped doing that (and more or less turned my TV off) I am so outside of "mainstream" that I don't even know anymore what's "cool" and what isn't.
And yet, I still sleep well at night and don't have some obnoxious songs going through my head at all times of the day.
I did.
But what do I care as I already can only run it on my Apple Computer?
As long as all it does is limit OSX to Apple Hardware I could care less. If I don't want to run OSX I buy a PC.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
But so far Apple seems to be a lot fairer when it comes to DRM than the ones up in Redmond.
And that WHILE they control the whole thing end to end, Software AND Hardware.
Go figure.
Oh, and they can already playback Hi-Def content with QT7.
It would be stupid for Apple to try and become "mainstream".
They live of their exclusive reputation. Sure, iPods are everywhere, but they are comparable cheap. That is like Mercedes selling watches etc. that anybody can afford and at least get some "shine" from the brand.
I doubt they will get cheaper (and that is the deciding factor for most people), I doubt they'll have clones being made because they would canibalise their business.