I have a bootable BeOS r. 4.0 CD, that I got with PCPlus a year or so ago. I was flabbergasted when I could boot it on my Thinkpad, with both video and the soundcard perfectly working! I tried the famous BeOS teaser, so I started 4 quicktime movies FROM THE CD!!! and it managed perfectly!
I could actually burn the image of BeOS 5 to a CD and this should work, too. And there is some limited storage on the flash memory. Wonder if that could be mounted as a drive....
..not down!!! At least, it contais a very valid link to a picture of the keyboard, and info abot it. The link itself is more informative than the article on/.
This is a bit offtopic, as fr THIS version of kernel. I have patched kernel 2.2.13 to 2.2.14 and recompiled it. During the config, (used menuconfig) I noticed there was no etherteam16i module anymore?! When was that discontinued? Also, where on earth can I find a list of changes between kernel versions? I mean, some changelog?
Thanks in advance!
Re:A half-assed victory for GPL, a demise for OSS
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GPL Violation - NVIDIA
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Yep, GPL may eventually be honored, but how many Linux users bought a GeForce256-based graphics card, just because they saw a Linux driver coming up? But that's not my point. The point is that they will release a closed-source driver. That means, if you use Linux or Windoze, you'll be OK, but you're fucked if you use anything else. That means, Nvidia goes bust, noone can develope new drivers for your card. That means, no development contribution possible, by the X community. The spirit of OSS is violated, even if the GPL is not.
I am kinda fond of FreeBSD, although, to say the truth, it's a bit more "coarse" than a typical Linux distro. I guess you know what I mean, starting from the shell onwards. However, I happen to be a big Slackware fan, and I really like the BSD inits. Slackware is anyway the best Linux distro around.
FreeBSD is quite popuar in our labs here at my company, because the TCP/IP stack is considered better written than the Linux one. It's not performance problems, Linux is OK with that, it's some advanced features that don't work quite good on Linux, like OSPF and source routing.
So, I have been looking around for some commercial backing, like the one Linux enjoyed in recent times. This seems to be the first one, and I hope there will be more. Congrats to the *BSD community. (On a side note: I am also a BeOS user, and for some reason the typical BeOS network will have FreeBSD as a server, and same goes for a pro-BeOS site.)
BeNews has just spoken to Be's Vice President of Marketing Lamar Potts, who was interviewed by Computer Channel. "The Computer Channel reporter got it completely wrong. I said nothing of BeOS development being halted, and we have no plans to do so." A complete quote from Potts follows.
According to Potts,
"This is a drastic misinterpretation of my words. I said nothing to the reporter about BeOS development being halted. I simply reiterated the same thing Be has been saying for months, about our shift in focus to Internet Appliances. Obviously, we need to continue BeOS development. BeOS is the development platform for BeIA, as well as our 'calling card.' Strong visibility for BeOS is strong visibility for Be and BeIA. We've just completed a major launch of BeOS 5, we've struck deals with Gobe and international BeOS distributors, and we've just promoted Dave Johnson to BeOS Product Manager.
I'm puzzled by the reporter's misinterpretation of my words. The reporter was young, but his English seemed fine, and the whole interview is on tape. Our PR firm was also present, and can verify that I said nothing of the sort. I can't in my wildest imagination figure out where the reporter got this idea from what was said during the interview. We didn't head down that path at all."
If they continue to keep their specs to themselves and to MS (expecially since they are on "Microsoft's d*ck now", as someone noted) , I have nothing to do with an Nvidia graphics chip. Matrox and 3dfx are much friendier to the "other" OSes.
I have read almost all of the comments, the articles, browsed the pkware.com site, and all the time I had this feeling of loss. I am one of those who actually used pkzip and pkunzip quite a lot back at the beginning of the 90es.
No, really, when I was learning english, I was taught the english word "Bank" means independent, monetary investments and credit institution. Now, I gues banc is the smaler brother of Bank?
In theory, it makes sense because P[Watt]=U[Volt]*I[Ampere] for continuous current, while for alternate current ou just dvide the right side of the equation by two. However, this is a ver simplified explanation, so it's not correct because it doesn't take into consderation the internal impedance of the consumer, in this case, the graphics card. If the graphics card needs more power, it actually means it has lower internal impedance, and will, therefore, "suck" more current (I=U/R). This, on the other hand, will cause a drop of potential in the power source, affecting all the other components connected to it. The only solution to such problem is, therefore, not "upping the voltage" since the power source is already experiencing a voltage drop. The solution is to buy a more powerful power source, which will be able to provide the necessary current without a drop of potential.
It has been asked already, in a way or another, so I will just make it more explicit: what is SCO's current business strategy, what is their most important asset`Is it UnixWare, Tarantella, the Linux services or Monterey? How much do you expect to earn from Monterey?
I'll be adding my two pennies, if anyone is interested. First, Be inc. always tried to comply with the GPL by publishing the source of the GPLed software they used. I have a BeOS 4.5.2 CD on my shellf, and the sources are there, in gzipped packets.
Second, I think Bruce handled this issue in a relatively nice manner, but NOT completely unpeccable. Be is a small company that gives credit to the OSS by using some and giving some other back to the community. As I understand, a BeOS engineer called almost immediately (in less than 6 hours?) to clarify the issue. Could not Bruce wait and then post a story with a title "Be involuntarily violates GPL, problem alrady solved"
Third, do you realize how bad this is for the GPL? Big companies (like Nokia, for example) were unwilling to use GPL-ed software anyway, giving BSD much bigger a chance, exactly because of this kind of potential incidents. Now the management will have confirmed their fears: "If we use GPL, we put ourselves to risk of lawsuits". Companies like Nokia are a very sweet cake for several interest grops (and their lawyers) that are waiting for an opportunity to sue, no matter how frivolous the lawsuit may be. It's all about money. I can tell you, Nokia is avoiding GPL like poison, and this story won't make them use it, either. BSD, on the other hand, seems to be welcome.
I am NOT against the GPL, not at all. But I think handling this matter more gracefully could only benefit GPL.
I use an AMD 486/133 w/Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 as a router/firewall to the ISDN at home. It does exactly what I need it for. Oooops, almost forgot: I also have an old Compaq Prosignia VP/486/66. Could not install Linux on that one, the onboard SCSI adapter doesn't seem to be suported. Anyone tried this?
Omnis studio is expensive. Plus, when I was in contact with them I had the impression their channel in scandinavia is managed by very un-motivated people. I don't know in other parts of the world. But again, Omnis studio is expensive, some sort of Powerbuilder imitation. Too bad Sybase doesn't have PB for Linux. They do have a version for HP-UX, though.
You can have up to 1024x728 in 16 (or 8? don't remember) with VESA driver which is included, if the card complyes with VESA 2.0, and the odds are quite good.
This in case you do not find a driver for your card. BTW, you can visit BeNews, they have some info on this VESA stuff.
NO, usually you just restart networking, like in Linux (using a graphical applet, of course). The problem with the 3c509 driver is, as I understand, that it's not written properly, so it does not interact with the configuration system correctly. It's there, in the "readme".
Re:Some differences BeOS for Linux / Windows
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BeOS For Linux!
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Yes, but you have to download the new driver for BeOS 5 from the RealTek site (www.realtek.com.tw)
I don't have a RTL 8139-based netcard myself, but was browsing yesterday night through the realtek site, and was amazed that they have a separate driver for BeOS 4.x and 5.
Actually, there is a 3c509 driver floating around, and if you go to www.begroovy.com, ang go to the "forum" section, there is this "support" forum where people that complained of not 3c509 not working, were contacted by the author of the driver. I got it this way, but I am not sure I am allowed to distribute the driver (I didn't find the driver on BeBits, so I guess it's not totally redistributable).
Anyway, the guy's handle is H-kon (one of the site admins at begroovy). Good luck!
Re:Slightly tangential question
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BeOS For Linux!
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The Geek Port was an ultracool direct connection to the system bus, so you could attach your OWN stuff and communicate with it. Of course, there is some buffering circuitry in between, but basically you were in direct contact with the bus.
And no, I don't have one of those dual PPC BeBox-es, with the running lights (CPU load indicators), but I wish I did.
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Hmm... and the specs are not that bad, either.
I have a bootable BeOS r. 4.0 CD, that I got with PCPlus a year or so ago. I was flabbergasted when I could boot it on my Thinkpad, with both video and the soundcard perfectly working! I tried the famous BeOS teaser, so I started 4 quicktime movies FROM THE CD!!! and it managed perfectly!
I could actually burn the image of BeOS 5 to a CD and this should work, too. And there is some limited storage on the flash memory. Wonder if that could be mounted as a drive....
..not down!!! At least, it contais a very valid link to a picture of the keyboard, and info abot it. The link itself is more informative than the article on /.
OK, so, as I thought, eth16i should still be there, it's just that menuconfig for some reason, after I applied the patch.... lost it!?
.config
ahhhh... anyway.... back to vi
This is a bit offtopic, as fr THIS version of kernel. I have patched kernel 2.2.13 to 2.2.14 and recompiled it. During the config, (used menuconfig) I noticed there was no etherteam16i module anymore?! When was that discontinued?
Also, where on earth can I find a list of changes between kernel versions? I mean, some changelog?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks for expanding on my point.
So, it sux. Thanks for nothing, Nvidia.
Yep, GPL may eventually be honored, but how many Linux users bought a GeForce256-based graphics card, just because they saw a Linux driver coming up?
But that's not my point. The point is that they will release a closed-source driver. That means, if you use Linux or Windoze, you'll be OK, but you're fucked if you use anything else. That means, Nvidia goes bust, noone can develope new drivers for your card. That means, no development contribution possible, by the X community.
The spirit of OSS is violated, even if the GPL is not.
ftp.slackware.com is running Apache/1.3.11 (FreeBSD) PHP/3.0.14 ePerl/2.2.14 Perl/5.005_03 on FreeBSD
sez netcraft
I am kinda fond of FreeBSD, although, to say the truth, it's a bit more "coarse" than a typical Linux distro. I guess you know what I mean, starting from the shell onwards. However, I happen to be a big Slackware fan, and I really like the BSD inits. Slackware is anyway the best Linux distro around.
FreeBSD is quite popuar in our labs here at my company, because the TCP/IP stack is considered better written than the Linux one. It's not performance problems, Linux is OK with that, it's some advanced features that don't work quite good on Linux, like OSPF and source routing.
So, I have been looking around for some commercial backing, like the one Linux enjoyed in recent times. This seems to be the first one, and I hope there will be more. Congrats to the *BSD community.
(On a side note: I am also a BeOS user, and for some reason the typical BeOS network will have FreeBSD as a server, and same goes for a pro-BeOS site.)
BeNews has just spoken to Be's Vice President of Marketing Lamar Potts, who was
interviewed by Computer Channel. "The Computer Channel reporter got it completely
wrong. I said nothing of BeOS development being halted, and we have no plans to do
so." A complete quote from Potts follows.
According to Potts,
"This is a drastic misinterpretation of my words. I said nothing to the
reporter about BeOS development being halted. I simply reiterated the
same thing Be has been saying for months, about our shift in focus to
Internet Appliances. Obviously, we need to continue BeOS
development. BeOS is the development platform for BeIA, as well as
our 'calling card.' Strong visibility for BeOS is strong visibility for Be
and BeIA. We've just completed a major launch of BeOS 5, we've
struck deals with Gobe and international BeOS distributors, and we've
just promoted Dave Johnson to BeOS Product Manager.
I'm puzzled by the reporter's misinterpretation of my words. The
reporter was young, but his English seemed fine, and the whole
interview is on tape. Our PR firm was also present, and can verify that I
said nothing of the sort. I can't in my wildest imagination figure out
where the reporter got this idea from what was said during the
interview. We didn't head down that path at all."
Find it at www.benews.com
If they continue to keep their specs to themselves and to MS (expecially since they are on "Microsoft's d*ck now", as someone noted) , I have nothing to do with an Nvidia graphics chip. Matrox and 3dfx are much friendier to the "other" OSes.
I have read almost all of the comments, the articles, browsed the pkware.com site, and all the time I had this feeling of loss. I am one of those who actually used pkzip and pkunzip quite a lot back at the beginning of the 90es.
Rest in peace, Phil Katz.
No, really, when I was learning english, I was taught the english word "Bank" means independent, monetary investments and credit institution. Now, I gues banc is the smaler brother of Bank?
In theory, it makes sense because P[Watt]=U[Volt]*I[Ampere] for continuous current, while for alternate current ou just dvide the right side of the equation by two.
However, this is a ver simplified explanation, so it's not correct because it doesn't take into consderation the internal impedance of the consumer, in this case, the graphics card. If the graphics card needs more power, it actually means it has lower internal impedance, and will, therefore, "suck" more current (I=U/R). This, on the other hand, will cause a drop of potential in the power source, affecting all the other components connected to it.
The only solution to such problem is, therefore, not "upping the voltage" since the power source is already experiencing a voltage drop. The solution is to buy a more powerful power source, which will be able to provide the necessary current without a drop of potential.
It has been asked already, in a way or another, so I will just make it more explicit: what is SCO's current business strategy, what is their most important asset`Is it UnixWare, Tarantella, the Linux services or Monterey? How much do you expect to earn from Monterey?
I'll be adding my two pennies, if anyone is interested.
First, Be inc. always tried to comply with the GPL by publishing the source of the GPLed software they used. I have a BeOS 4.5.2 CD on my shellf, and the sources are there, in gzipped packets.
Second, I think Bruce handled this issue in a relatively nice manner, but NOT completely unpeccable. Be is a small company that gives credit to the OSS by using some and giving some other back to the community. As I understand, a BeOS engineer called almost immediately (in less than 6 hours?) to clarify the issue. Could not Bruce wait and then post a story with a title "Be involuntarily violates GPL, problem alrady solved"
Third, do you realize how bad this is for the GPL? Big companies (like Nokia, for example) were unwilling to use GPL-ed software anyway, giving BSD much bigger a chance, exactly because of this kind of potential incidents. Now the management will have confirmed their fears: "If we use GPL, we put ourselves to risk of lawsuits". Companies like Nokia are a very sweet cake for several interest grops (and their lawyers) that are waiting for an opportunity to sue, no matter how frivolous the lawsuit may be. It's all about money. I can tell you, Nokia is avoiding GPL like poison, and this story won't make them use it, either. BSD, on the other hand, seems to be welcome.
I am NOT against the GPL, not at all. But I think handling this matter more gracefully could only benefit GPL.
I use an AMD 486/133 w/Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 as a router/firewall to the ISDN at home. It does exactly what I need it for. Oooops, almost forgot: I also have an old Compaq Prosignia VP/486/66. Could not install Linux on that one, the onboard SCSI adapter doesn't seem to be suported. Anyone tried this?
I think you should better go to BeNews or the BeGroovy fora. Or, there is alt.os.beos.
You can ask there, I am certain someone will know. Expecially on BeNews there are quite a few video anthusiasts hanging around.
Omnis studio is expensive. Plus, when I was in contact with them I had the impression their channel in scandinavia is managed by very un-motivated people. I don't know in other parts of the world.
But again, Omnis studio is expensive, some sort of Powerbuilder imitation. Too bad Sybase doesn't have PB for Linux. They do have a version for HP-UX, though.
You are welcome.
It was my experience that BeOS is very stable, unlike Windows.
There is a nice SB16 driver that you can download from www.bebits.com. It's here
You can have up to 1024x728 in 16 (or 8? don't remember) with VESA driver which is included, if the card complyes with VESA 2.0, and the odds are quite good.
This in case you do not find a driver for your card. BTW, you can visit BeNews, they have some info on this VESA stuff.
NO, usually you just restart networking, like in Linux (using a graphical applet, of course).
The problem with the 3c509 driver is, as I understand, that it's not written properly, so it does not interact with the configuration system correctly.
It's there, in the "readme".
Yes, but you have to download the new driver for BeOS 5 from the RealTek site (www.realtek.com.tw)
I don't have a RTL 8139-based netcard myself, but was browsing yesterday night through the realtek site, and was amazed that they have a separate driver for BeOS 4.x and 5.
Actually, there is a 3c509 driver floating around, and if you go to www.begroovy.com, ang go to the "forum" section, there is this "support" forum where people that complained of not 3c509 not working, were contacted by the author of the driver. I got it this way, but I am not sure I am allowed to distribute the driver (I didn't find the driver on BeBits, so I guess it's not totally redistributable).
Anyway, the guy's handle is H-kon (one of the site admins at begroovy).
Good luck!
The Geek Port was an ultracool direct connection to the system bus, so you could attach your OWN stuff and communicate with it. Of course, there is some buffering circuitry in between, but basically you were in direct contact with the bus.
And no, I don't have one of those dual PPC BeBox-es, with the running lights (CPU load indicators), but I wish I did.