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101 Keys Soaking Wet: The Flexboard
There may be other answers to that eternal, burning question, but the only one of which I am aware is the strange and intriguing keyboard (hooked to an Amnet laptop on loan from Roblimo) on which I type ths review. It's called the Flexboard, available in the U.S. from Man & Machine. And yes, it works fine with Linux -- in this case, with a semi-functional installation of Corel Linux 2.4. Nothing unusual about it, in fact, except that it's banana yellow, has no moving parts, can be rolled to the approximate dimensions of a stromboli, smells a bit like a paint store, and can droop becomingly around a user's naked thighs. Other than that, just your run-of-the-mill PS/2 keyboard.
With a design straight out of '70s Sweden, or perhaps the personal computer division of Fisher-Price (but actually manufactured in Germany by a company called Kota Technologies, this is not a keyboard you're likely to to find around the office. First of all, most offices do not need keyboards that cost as much as a passable 15" monitor -- and at $129 for the standard Home / Office version (the one I'm bumping away at), it's pretty close. (In case you're wondering, it is available in other colors, including neutral grey.)
Your $129, though, gets you an interesting, very specialized piece of equipment. This keyboard can withstand treatment that standard mechanical ones cannot, to put it lightly. (Turns on spigot -- not too hot, but not too cold.)
Add $100 for the even tougher "Industrial" version, and you can happily drench your keyboard in oil and many chemicals; the Industrial version also features a 2-year warranty vs. the standard edition's single year, and will withstand a wider range of storage and operating temperatures. For factories, laboratories, workshops and such it seems like just the ticket. Even the standard one, though, shrugs off both water and hot chocolate at point-blank range just fine. Rinse off, towel dry -- no need to wring.
The sensors which enable the keys are hidden beneath flat-topped projections in the one-molded-piece-of-rubber which is the keyboard. The letters, numbers and functon keys are perfectly round, while space bar, enter, and other special characters are elongated ovals. (Lower drain plug.)
The keys are adequately labeled; the printing is a little lighter than I would expect -- grey-brown rather than black -- but in practical use provides plenty of contrast. (Adjusts water.) Not that I'm giving it any practical use right now.
How well does it work? In short, a) better than I expected and, b) not bad. It takes some getting used to the feel of a rubber keyboard (and adjusting your typing style to its response), but it's not the awful, toothgrinding experience of "typing" on the flat-membrane surface of the old family Sinclair Z-80; it's really possible to type at a decent clip on this thing. Slower than my regular keyboard, but OK. Even combination keystrokes (shift-plus, alt-plus) work fine. However, if you're used to clacking along on a mechanical keyboard, especially if you crave the audio and tactile feedback of an IBM desk-dominator, the feel of this one will come as a surprise, though not necessarily a rude one.
The loudest you can make this keyboard roar, in fact, is closer to a Sunday School whisper than to, say, normal conversation. Unless you really want to swing your fingers, it is utterly silent. (A little more Hot, please.) A gentle squeezing motion is all it takes to actuate the keys. Even after acclimating myself to it for a few days, though, I find that a few keys (F, J, and a few others in the bottom row) simply do not work as well as others. Disconcertingly, the key which causes me the most trouble is the spacebar. I am generally a right-thumb spacebar thumper; I find that by switching to my left thumb my success is much improved. Overall, the engineers did an admirable job balancing sensitivity with oversensivity. I end up hitting backspace more than I'd like, but less than I feared I would have to.
So who would want one of these? With not a sharp angle or hard surface to be found, I can think of various institutions which might order it for those characteristics alone, and of which I know only by thorough reading. (Ouch! Too hot!) Any environment that could be wetter or messier than you'd subject an ordinary keyboard to (anyone who's gotten cat hair or soda in their keyboard will know what I mean) might be well-served with the Flexboard. Office klutzes everywhere -- we know who we are -- still would have to go through quite a few $30 keyboards from the local office supply before one of these makes sense for that reason alone.
It does seem like this would be a great keyboard for children, since not only are there no pieces to break off and chew on or swallow, but more importantly it cannot be used as a bludgeon against other children. And for anyone in a situtation which truly requires a spillproof, particle-proof keyboard, the generous cable allows you to better protect the PC itself, placing it in a cabinet, say, or otherwise out of your particular "splash zone." For situations where quiet is more important than input speed, this board would shine.
Having typed this review from the comfort of my bathtub, I can also attest to the Flexboard's resistance to Freeman Botanicals Apple Nectar shampoo as well as Dove moisturizing soap. Better close before I find out what it can't shrug off and get myself into even more hot water.
Many thanks to Clifton Broumand of Man&Machine for graciously providing this review unit.
be be sounds like a great keyboard
Neither do real penises, but there are certain things you can buy...
There seems to be a number of posts which predictably (yawn) pop up on *every single slashdot thread* without exception. "Old news" is one of them. I find it terribly whiny and annoying.
My suggestion to rob is to write a script that auto-posts, for each
Thats why this article was written in the tub
Perhaps a floating sponge mouse would do the trick? Or maybe we'd have to make it a lobster!
How about mounting it to the shower wall, so I can code while waiting for the conditioner to condition.
The alternative to limited government is unlimited government.
>I looked it up, and saw that it had been mentioned in the quickies before, but never explained in greater length.
:^)
:^) I didn't really care about it, either, but I could see how this is a neat thing. If I had a need for an expensive, submersible, rollable keyboard, I'd be running to get one. As it is, tho, I don't.
;^)
And the fact that it had been mentioned in a Quickies post in no way detracts from the legitimay of this review. Can you imagine if the New York Times refused to review a book just because the Chicago Sun-Times had already reviewed it? Okay, better analogy: Can you imagine the New York Times refused to publish a review because the editor had mentioned liking the book in an opinion column? The notion is ludicrous, yet that's what some of the (immature and desperately in need of something to do) Slashdot readership wants. Both the above analogies apply.
Good grief, people, you want Linux software to only be mentioned on Freshmeat, and want hardware to only be mentioned on Tom's Hardware. No software, no hardware; what, then? The winers complain about stories NOT related to hardware and software.
Guess it's time to pack up; the whiners don't want any stories posted.
>I thought it was a neat product, but certainly not my ideal keyboard. Specialized product, limited audience, but neat.
>That's all:)
Amen, brotha.
At least I didn't whine that it was in the Quickies section already (perhaps my life got in the way of remembering this fact?
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
I have to agree with the original poster. Go away if you don't like Slashdot. Folks like me do.
e r. If you don't, then don't read.
Slashdot is pretty much the same as it was when it started. Not everything is new, not everything is serious/important/whatever. It's just a bunch of stories that the folks who run Slashdot find entertaining/amusing/interesting/important/whatev
Oddly enough, I've started seeing "Why are there so many Linux stories. Not all of us use Linux. Waaaaah!" a lot. Reality check: Slashdot isn't as Linux-oriented as it was when it was founded.
Again, if you don't like the way Slashdot is run, remember this: Slashdot was founded by some guys who wanted a news site that presented info that *they* were interested in. If that's not good enough for you, why not do the same?
And, to be blunt, if your answer is, "I don't have the time/resources/mental capacity to do so," then shut UP! >:^( It irks me to no end that people seem to think that they can dictate the way a site is run without taking a more proactive stance. So your stories get refused. Big deal. Live with it. Once you enter "The Real World" you'll have to grow used to rejection and take it like an adult. That, quite frankly, is how the world of journalism works: if the publisher doesn't like your story, it gets rejected, and whining, quite frankly, sends you to the unemployment line eventually. So the best policy is to just be an adult and move on.
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
Why else would you need a rubber keyboard? And here, we thought they were worried about getting mere pepsi on the keyboard....
I was going to say "the latest Dildo" but then I thought better of it. I'll leave that kind of comment for an AC.
Instead I'll ask what took so long and when can I get a waterproof rubber wrapped web pad with a touch screen pointing device and a Transmeta chip. It took a lot of work to move an old PS/2 into the bathroom so I could brows while siting on the throne. With this I should be able to surf in the tub.
Latter on we can deal with a laptop version where shear bulk is sacrificed to get you everything you need. I.e. Solar panels, 3 day battery life, wireless internet connection, sound. No removable media and 3 layers of sealing to get to the adapter port for when you really need to plug in.
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I would imagine so, considering I've had no problems throwing conventional keyboards in the dishwasher; you just have to make sure they are dry before turning them on. :)
"True refinement seeks simplicity."
What about the geek girls residing in Slashdot with the rest of us? They might not mind it ;-)
the real at&t mix
just curious what would happen when I try to post on an article that I moderated...
Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
I mean, My son (2) loves to spill drinks, and I'm usually on the computer, so...
A pointing device on this keyboard would be nice to have. How about some kind of 'eraserhead' pointing stick like IBM have? Or better still, you could bend and flex the keyboard to move the pointer - that would probably be great for some game, although I can't think of which game it would be.
Another cool thing would be if you could break off bits of keyboard and use them separately. For example, you could cut off the numeric keypad with a pair of scissors, or cut the keyboard in half so it's like one of those ghastly 'ergonomic' Apple things. And then if you could squish the two halves back together again...
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Hey you could replace the heatsink and fan with a pump and tubing to heat the bath while you use it.
Thought of something like this instead of fans on heatsinks for heating rooms. But this would be one better.
:-)
When shit hits the fan get some of these https://youtu.be/pY-GncsZ-UE
Actually maybe we should use the fittings for Water/Oil cooling CPU's to heat our hot water instead of using a hot water heater. Might save some money in heating bills.
When shit hits the fan get some of these https://youtu.be/pY-GncsZ-UE
I can't believe I'm adding to this conversation, but here I go. Voltage will not kill you. Current will. It takes .1 milliamp across the heart to cause problems, and 1mA to kill. The human body has a nominal resistance (left hand to right hand) of a few Megaohms for the most part, but it has been measures as low as 300 Kohms in certains conditions (wet, and bleeding). Taking these number, you go with about 30 volts is dangerous, for a conservative amount. You cannot get 1 amp across your body at 5V. V=IR does not allow for that.
Unless you're in a strong magnetic field, but that's for another day....
- Dan
giggle. You have nothing to worry about. 5v is not harmful under real-world circumstances. However, you would be out a $130 keyboard. So pay $230, and get the industrial NEMA 4X version. Awww. Yeah.
- Dan
Unplug it.
I've just got one of these keyboards in the office for evaluation for a few days and I've got to say I agree 100% with the comments. The spacebar is a bit of a pain (Thanks for the left-hand tip, it does help!). Other than that, it types OK (I'm on it now).
With about 15 people giving it a go, the only other real complaint is that there are no LEDs for Caps/Num/Scroll Lock. The consensus was that it shouldn't have been too hard to include them in bulge on the left side (which must also contain the chip(s) anyway.
FYI we're evaluating them for use in a sandy environment rather than a wet one.
If the flexable screen technology ever pans out this could be seriously cool...
This would be great for prisons that want to help, or allow, their "clientelle" to get on the net. Maybe a neat spinoff of the Prisoner's Literature Project could be the Prisoner's Internet Access Project.
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but this story is very old now and has been reported on slashdot several times. Please do a search to see the other stories.
You will also find that this item has been on sale at Maplin Electronics in the UK for some time: http://www.maplin.co.uk
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Check out the links listed above. The Man and Machine site describes a water resistant lcd panel and mouse.
I found the idea interesting, why isn't there a link to a picture of the thing? If there isn't one already online, why don't you guys take one and scan it in?
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Get your motor running, head out on the hi-way, looking for adventure, and.. perhaps I'll just hack some perl first..
Ow wait.. It's not by Katz.. It's just that the story is also 19.5 inches ;-)
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Though actually the keyboard sounds closer in feel to the Timex-Sinclair 2000 (Spectrum) computer, with the "chicklet" keyboard!
I find it amusing that in the past I had a ZX-81 and finally rigged a normal (TI-994a) keyboard to replace the default one. Now I have a normal keyboard, and yearn to replace it with a ZX-81 type keyboard! The pendulum has swung all the way back, I guess.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
At the very least, one would think PMS/2 was relevant to the discussion.
? Just imagine: the next time it crashes, you could wrestle to the floor and hold it in a triple-death-headcrush manouver until it promises not to do it again. And best of all,it wouldn't get damaged.
Yeah, you're right.. you could do that.
But then that takes some of the fun out of ripping it to shreds when it finally dies on you.
Insert mind here.
This flexible keyboard is strongly reminiscent of the flat, roll-up-able piano owned by Picard's lady friend on a Next Generation episode. I wonder if that was partly the inspiration for the Flexboard?
Hey... news for nerds extends to hardware.
Actually, in the lab, I would see this being more useful as a means of keeping the lab environment sterile. Heck, you could probably use this puppy in a clean room environment.
Could also be a BIG deal in medical environments as a means of reducing places where bacteria can hide.
My girlfriend and I were discussing the movie Gladiator last night. To get directly to the point, the argument turned to the relationship between an author, an audience, and a critic.
Based on my premises that an author writes for an Ideal Audience, and not for the entire audience or for a critic (though there is some interplay between an IA and a critic), she pointed out that today "Everyone is a critic." and then pointed directly to our ADSL gateway.
While I don't necessarily agree with her in the context of last night's topic -- I still think a critic is a special class of audience member -- she had a point.
The internet encourages publishing. Feedback forums like slashdot and ZDNET, doubly so because of their ease of use. People publish what they know. People know their opinions.
The end result is a horrible cacophony of "whiners" or terribly misinformed, uninformed or irrelevant opinion. To me, somehow, this is what seperates an audience member from a critic: the ability to more fully justify an opinion than the median audience member.
I doubt that time will change this affliction. The only solution is to accept the WWW with it's faults and the irritating effect it has on people. The benefit of getting to weed out the nonsensical, strange and meritless to reach the "insightful" "interesting" or the "underrated" is preferrable to having none of it at all.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
failing that, cut it.
or cut the red wire from the motherboard and put a switch of some sort in there.
so you can turn it on for normal operation
and off for night time stealth porn hounding.
Well dude, consider that its much easier to wipe down a (flat) keyboard than to hose out a standard keyboard. That's the idea with this industrial keyboards, they can take alot AND they can be cleaned off easily too.
Bob
Uh, no. Sorry to disapoint you, but unless you open up your chest cavity and apply electrodeds near your heart, 5V is not going to hurt you, no matter what.
I could not help thinking the ribbon must have got a bit damp and the ink is diluted.
Maybe you live in interesting times
How more whiners are we going to get on Slashdot before we reach criticle mass. If you don't like the stories you read, go somewhere else. You know what the best was is to stick it to someone who you think has sold out? Don't frequent there services. Christ, it's like you people absolutely get off on whining. "Boo hoo. This article doesn't absolutely and completely appeal to me. Ipso Facto, it is the worst article ever written and the author is a complete moron." Or better yet, "Old news. I read about this in X twelve years ago. Look at me, I am 1337 news god."
Guess what? Other people read Slashdot. If you see something you dislike or already know, pass it over, because with the volume of traffic this site receives there's bound to be someone who hasn't and doesn't need your obligatory bitch and moan post cluttering up the thread.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
..not down!!! At least, it contais a very valid link to a picture of the keyboard, and info abot it. The link itself is more informative than the article on /.
Sigged!
I'm not sure what the resistance of human skin is, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that under normal conditions it's something like 50 kilo-ohms per centimetre. Even just assuming that 50K, the current at 5 volts would be:
I=E/R
I=5/50000
I= 0.1 milliamperes,
which I'm pretty sure won't kill you.
For those who think no ones cares about this sort
of thing, I gotta say that when I found out about
this keyboard, I did my "happy dance."
Imagine this - a touchscreen 15" LCD monitor with
built-in speakers, one of these keyboards, an
Espresso with a USB Ethernet adapter and a
Hauppauge USB TV tuner mounted "out of the
weather", and what have I got?
Order a beer and surf the net, or frag your
neighbor, or watch whatever damned game you
want, or request a tune from our MP3 jukebox
or MIDI-ized player piano, cause you're sitting
at the coolest bar in town.
Baudtender
I think the idea of large cumbersom objects being foldable/rollable was demostrated well in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation when Captain Picard fell in love with the ship's new doctor and she whipped out a full sized piano she had rolled up to roughly the size of a stromboli! It would be convienient for people with laptops who perfer full full sized keyboards when they don't have to worry about space considerations, like in a hotel room. Once they are able to do this with monitors, a whole new era of portable computing will start. Rollable (or at least foldable) cell phones will probably be the next wave of compact communication.
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because I like playing with new hardware (esp. keyboards, since I am a keyboard nut),
Eh?
Here's some links that may interest you.
http://www.techstyle-com.com/thekeyboar ds.htm and http://www.techarts.com/produc ts/keyboards/default.htm.
... I prefer the second link, both because the company lives right here in my hometown and the keys themselves are hand-carved cherry wood.
"When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood."
When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood.
-Tom Jones
"When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood."
When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood.
-Tom Jones
Get the industrial version it can hadle chemicals like MEK(methel-ethel-ketone a pretty nasty solvent) so paint shouldn't be a problem, maybe a strong acid (but then again if you spill strong acid on your keyboard you have bigger problems.
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I mean, this seems like a good product and all, but really, what does happen if you spill a material on there that it can't handle. Like, lets say you get some type of paint on the keyboard, which it can't handle, and not only does the keyboard not work, it electrocutes you.
The point of it isn't so you can type in the bathtub, the point is you can do whatever you want with it, and not have to worry if your keyboard can handle it.
I wonder if they have durable mice anywhere...
You could if it was a optical mouse.
you realize that the iBrators a joke right??
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A squashy monitor that I could punch occasionally would be useful (hey, you been there, you know what I mean...). Mind you I suppose my current monitor could probably cope with a battering from this rubber keyboard.
Put the both together like AnthonyL says and you're getting into serious soft toy space ....woooaahhhh...
oh damn... i dunno what you people think but that bathtub part was a little bit more information than i actually needed... ;)
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Read the review more carefully, the thing is made in Germany ("but actually manufactured in Germany by a company called Kota Technologies") and only compared it with a Swedish not a Swiss design. ("with a design straight out of '70s Sweden.")
But TROLL VAIN SUDS is nearly on-topic.
The poor cook he caught the fits
And threw away all of my grits
You trolls are too slow today.
Ceci n'est pas une sig.
So since when has Slashdot done hardware reviews? It was a good review, anyway, of an interesting piece of equipment.
I am not a lawyer.
This could be just the thing to accompany a web-pad. Since the pad would be not much more than the LCD screen, it'd be nice to be able to slap on a keyboard for any word processing. Being able to roll up the keyboard and stuff it in a bag/briefcase when you're done would be wonderful! And the environment resistance would be great, especially if the the web pad matched it.
I saw those on Cebit one or two years ago. Still pretty cool, though.
I can just see it now. Mood keyboards...... new way for those pinkerton folk to find potentially dangerous kids at school? My boss can keep an eye on me to see if im happy in the workplace. Its the end of the world as we know it, I feel fine.....
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How long will it be before they can actually make a waterproof, shock resistant laptop? Something like that Sony did to do the Walkman with their Sony Sport series.
Does anyone know anything about an effort to make really sturdy laptops? I would imagine there would be a huge market for things like this. I know there are laptops with features like an easily replaceable shield for the monitor. Ones with sealed keyboards to resist Coke and pizza stains, but what about a real honest to god Vaio Sport or something (maybe not in bright yellow, but why not?)
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There is a very good reason. Our company just moved in a new office space where we actually have a shower and a bath-tub! With this keyboard I bet I could improve productivity by a whole bunch I just have to convince my boss to give me office space in our bath tub.
You can't handle the truth.
This was posted on /. like a year and a half ago in a Quickies segment. I got curious myself and called up the company that made them and asked for a sales dude to call me back. Funny thing was, the day he called me back, I had just dumped (accidentally) a full cup of hot chocolate into my keyboard. I could actually hear the PC board snapping! He said that the flexiboard was resistant to hot chocolate, coffee, and other such common beverages found in the office.
I've not gotten one yet, but if you could find a roll-up flat-panel or LCD, then it'd make the sub-notebook market REALLY nice looking!
-What have you contributed lately?
Somebody better do it before Apple does, otherwise we'll be stuck with these buttugly beige plastic computers forever.
:wq
But this is a slashdot message board! We're all fellow comrades and crackers :).
Well, it probably hasn't been tested for that yet. If anyone wanna help contribute to that cause, please email me with a money amount offer. In US dollars please :)
This company is producing all sorts of waterproof toys. Check out this link. I personally like the 'Tuffymouse' best. I'm just wondering whether it's a Gyropoint type of mouse or just one that works like a trackpoint.
Hey, what's wrong with beige? at least real computers dont come in FLAVORS!!!!
They that quote Benjamin Franklin on liberty and safety deserve neither.
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Wouldn't this be ideal for use with the Espresso PC? Maybe you could cover that in some kind of neoprene-stuff, and have a matching set. Or add little floats to the Espresso, letting it float along merrily. I like this 'small is beautiful' stuff.
Jobby
"I know I should cut something, but what, and where?" - Dr Nick Riviera
I read their description of it. Apparently, as a security feature, the keyboard locks if you hold down both control keys for 4 seconds. I don't know about anyone else, but when I play Descent, I have the keys set so that left control is primary fire, and right control is secondary. Whenever I go up against bosses, I usually have both held down for up to 30 seconds at a time. I'd be totally screwed. I know I could change the key bindings, but I have used that one for so long that it has become an extension of my hand. I play by instinct. I was really hoping that now I wouldn't lose bathing time for Descent play, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer.
*sigh*
WARNING: there is a trojan on your
We have two of these at work, we used them as trials on our production floor. The users at first said they liked them. Now they say they have to press really hard on the keys to type, which is not true. You can lightly touch the keys and they work, but it feels funny, since its rubber. Your mind makes you think you have to press really hard (like you were going to squish the key down) which you dont need to do. It almost seems like if you push really hard, the keys don't respond as well. Personally, they keyboards are great for production environments. but I would not use one at home.
can i throw that bad boy into the dishwasher?
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hmm... if they could prove it *really* touched his thighs I might pay extra for it... any pictures/videos documenting the experiment?
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They're still in, aren't they?
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They're still in, aren't they?
sweet!
To be fair though, the "waterproof mouse" looks less like a mouse and more like a joystick/thumbpad. I didn';t *think* you could easily waterproof a mouse.
I just didn't bother asking for a mouse because I tend to use the keyboard anyway. A mouse would never stay in place in a bath/shower, I doubt it would be worth the trouble.
Judge Pag, the Learned, Impartial, and Very Relaxed
True, but you'd still need a surface to rub it against.....
I would continue, but the images inspired by the above statement have horrified me so thoroughly that I must excuse myself.
Judge Pag, the Learned, Impartial, and Very Relaxed
Is a monitor that can do the same thing. With those two, I think the rest of the wiring could be kept outside of the tub (actually, this seems like it would work better in the shower).
Maybe some sort of flatscreen lcd wrapped in hard plastic. Anybody got a link to something like this?
Judge Pag, the Learned, Impartial, and Very Relaxed
In response to your durable mice question, if you check out the link timothy provided to Man & Machine, you'll see they do offer a waterproof mouse...no idea how well it works, but just answering your question...for a more direct link to the mice, try this.
I've always wanted to do that with this keyboard. I've gotten tired of carrying laptops around with me. It would be nifty if I could hook this up to the Spresso PC and use Sony Glasstron/PC for video output. This would be a very expensive option, of course, but would be very lightweight and can withstand more punishment without investing in ruggedized laptops.
Gives a whole new meaning to "putting on a rubber", eh?
This thing actually ran in WIRED's "Fetish" section I believe over a year ago. I been lusting after one ever since... Nice to see such a kewl object finally 'Slashdotted'. ;)
Is there some particular reason you wanted to be able to type while in the tub, or am I missing the whole point of this?
Hey! I live in Japan, (although I'm a US citiczen) and a couple months back I was at my favorite computer paradise (Softmap) and I saw one of these things well kinda. It's a flexy keyboard, looks just like the one at the webseite, but it was a cool translucent neon green and it was priced at about 5800 yen or around $60 ! It was PS/2. I don't know which company got it first, but $60 is more like it! and I like the translucent neon green better. I did'nt get one though. It's a weird feel. . .
:p)
Mhoa
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Being washable solves more than just the sticky keyboard syndrome. This also eliminates the need to use a pair of tweezers to remove pubes stuck between the keys
That wasn't funny at all. That was sick. I gotta stop posting to slashdot when I've been drinking.
I love the idea of a keyboard like this... I like a mechnical keyboard but mine makes way to much noise. The one I have now sounds like a typewriter. As timothy states it isn't perfect. I always am spilling Coke(the drink and the drug) on my keyboard. This keyboard would be nice if it had some added features but not to clunky added features and maybe a bit cheaper. Although it has a great idea and I hope that companies will make similiar things that have some testing behind it. I would definately put out $100-$200 dollars if it was really well made. Keyboards like this will eventually become the mainstays in industrial places, food places, and places around the world. At least I think if they build them right, I mean I like the nostaligia of a mechnical keyboard but they have many a downfall. SB5, Insanity Manifested
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This would actually be an awesome device -- i'd be able to stay up all night browsing for po--RESEARCHING, and my parents wouldn't be awakened by 'click-click-click-clack-clack-clack-click-BOOOP!' ... ;)
Now, if only i could figure out a way to make my little pseudo-PC's pseudo-internal speaker not beep really loudly
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Well, for those people on the oil stations in the oceans, I hope the salinity won't eat the boards first.
When the pack animals stampede, it's time to soak the ground with blood to save the world. We fight, we die, we break our cursed bonds.
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Maritime usage? I always thought the salt water (and the salt that gets into the air) ate away at rubber and plastic. Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I've always heard this.
When the pack animals stampede, it's time to soak the ground with blood to save the world. We fight, we die, we break our cursed bonds.
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the (yellow) i-brator???
http://www.ibrator.com/ibrator.html
-Oh Granny your eyes are BIG and RED!
-it's from rebooting WinNT servers all night, said the wolf
As someone who has done lots and lots of repetitive data entry (8-11 hours), I can say that not having to push down keys could be very useful for lots of people. Although the stress is extremely minor, it takes it toll day after day after day of doing the same damn thing.
Working on an old AS/400 terminal was damn near torture. Regular mech keyboards are a little better. The market for push-less keyboards is likely to be driven by medical concerns. Well worth the money if you've ever experienced pain from banging on a keyboard.
If you don't like the whiners... why don't YOU go somewhere else? The fucking door swings both ways.
Guess the makers just paid enough.
http://www.plycon.com/flex.htm
Hey, this was easy until you mentioned the PS/2 cord. It made me think. What kind of a self-respecting dildo would have use PS/2?
They're USB nowadays. *shrugs*
Who sees the possibilities here. Some kind of waterproof pointing device and lcd (that doesn't fog up) and you've got a really nice shower-mastur^H^H^H^H^H^Hresearch device.
Especially UltraWide.
*groan*
This sig is false.
I've read a lot of PDA users who swear by the third-party keyboards that attach to Palm and similar PDA's. Is there anyone making a flexible keyboard for that market?
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That's positively disgusting.
My journal has hot
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You know, everywhere I go, where computer access is needed, and the enviroment is dirty (oil change place, mechanic's, auto zone, checker, etc - hell, any car place - many hospitals, warehouses, etc), there seems to always be a VT100 terminal sitting around, working just fine. Many have missing keys, or the printed characters on the keyboards are rubbed off - or they are covered by a rubber skin over the keyboard that is an ugly brownish yellow. Are these terminals nearly indestructable?
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They actually wanted it back after you sat in the bathtub with it on your naked thighs. What are they gonna do with it now? Resell it?
I shudder at the mere suggestion.
Sheesh, how many ants do we have on /.?
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Hmmm, another ant! [grumbles] :)
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I saw this a few weeks ago, it's probably been around awhile. Before I saw it, though, I had this same idea. I didn't really have the resources to implement it though. I think the best thing about it is not the everything-proof-ness, but the roll-up-ability (doncha just love my new vocabulary?). This makes it perfect for a wearable if you don't want to get and learn a twiddler. The withstandability is nice if you drop it in a mud puddle, though. I guess the quiet is good if you're in a library or something sitting down to type something. The one advantage I can see that the twiddler has over this thing is that you can twiddle standing up (dunno, maybe you could duct tape this to your waist, but that would be an ergonomic nightmare...).
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Many thanks to Clifton Broumand of Man&Machine for graciously providing this review unit.
Which he now has to donate to slashdot, since it's been in the tub with timothy and (shudder) on his naked thighs.
It may be marketed to 'industrial' audiences, but what about the home user who always seems to be making a 'mess' from what he or she (probably he 99% of the time) sees? I think we'll see a lot more banner ads for this one in odd places. Easy clean up, and rubber fetish fufilling. An odd combination, almost as odd as cybersex.
The keyboard you're thinking of is the Sinclair ZX 80, the worlds first sub £100 home computer. The Z 80 is the CPU. :)
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The "Man and Machine" store cites lab use as one of the primary reasons why you might want waterproof/chemicalproof keyboards and mice. But, really, if you're working in a lab where you routinely spill chemicals all over the place, don't you have bigger issues to worry about than what kind of keyboard you have?
When I become Dr. Evil level rich, I think I will make a pool with a glass window, in which I will put a large screen monitor. Attached to the side of the pool will be this keyboard, and some sort of touchpad mouse. That way I can access the web to look up the rules for "Marco Polo" if there's ever a dispute.
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Ever see those terminals where you get your oil changed? If those things resist 10W30, they're worth the money. Manufacturing, auto service, and maritime uses abound.
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Let's see: a flat-panel video display on a wall mount, a flexboard mounted on the counter (or on a cable so I can plop it anywhere I'm not using for mixing bowls), a wireless ethernet card and a SMALL case I can mount in the corner of a kitchen cabinet, and I have the recipe database access terminal design. Cool.
Before I went to college I payed my bills by working as a service writer in an autoshop. They had just computerized and I had the responsibility of helping everyone get used to the new system.
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The mechanics would log parts requests and services preformed at a terminal in the shop and service writers would do the billing and restocking operations. We went through quite a few terminals in the shop because even with a membrane the keyboard would get damaged by spilt oil or the plain old greasy finger syndrome.
Automechanics aren't in general the most tidy of folks. The system would be tortured by various shop disasters. But I remember the keyboard and monitor were forever covered in a thick layer of slime. Fortuantely we had the sense to put the system box in another room.
I'm sure this rubber keyboard idea would have saved a few bucks... well, at least the keyboard would have been happier.
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I reckon we should put this in a little room with the ohsodamngroovy Happy Hackin' Keyboard and watch them fight it out.
BTW, this is 49.53 cm long with a 2.1336 m cable. There are real pictures of the thing at http://www.man-machine.com/keybrd1.htm.
ok, the REAL question is, can it handle HOT pizza sauce/cheese, and HOT coffee???? Cause thats what REAL hackers eat. God knows theres tons of crumbs, and coffee stains on my keyboards. I can envision working from a hot tub now.... Does it come in a wireless version?? I could hook up the monitor to be a huge, theatre sized tv screen, and type with the wireless version, all from a hot tub... ahhhhh...
Moments after posting this story our beloved timothy did the one thing that will trash any system.
Opened an email in Outlook. ;)
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We don't want to hear about your naked thighs!
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And I thought the Swiss were so big on ergonomics. This thing looks great, but personally, I'll sacrifice a keyboard to the God of Pepsi long before I'll sacrifice a wrist to the God of RSI :)
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Is it good for computer sex? Can the poor lonely geek-type with only an online girlfriend finally say good-bye to the Sticky Keyboard Syndrome forever? Inquiring minds want to know...
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Not a cent.
:)
Since this post is at 1, more people will see / will have seen it than the ones marked down as flamebait or trolls.
But since you raise the issue, I would like to make clear the sequence here: I saw this because of a submission to slashdot. I looked it up, and saw that it had been mentioned in the quickies before, but never explained in greater length. I arranged to receive a review copy because I like playing with new hardware (esp. keyboards, since I am a keyboard nut), and this just looked kind of wacky. The folks at Man & Machine hadn't even heard of slashdot, as far as I could tell.
I haven't heard from them and don't even know or particularly care whether they've read it, except for the fact that I hope they note my thanks to them at the bottom for letting me experiment with it.
But the suggestion that the makers have somehow compensated slashdot for the review, or even that they had a hand in it, is inaccurate. We don't even get to keep it!
I thought it was a neat product, but certainly not my ideal keyboard. Specialized product, limited audience, but neat.
That's all:)
timothy
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IBM makes a flat-panel display for food-preparation areas (mostly in fast food) that can be hosed down routinely without damage. But it comes with either a touchscreen or a miserable membrane keyboard. Paired with this keyboard, it could be a nice device for difficult environments.