What idiot marked this redundant? I was wondering what the gp was talking about since both glossy and matter are flat - I mean, we're not talking about CRTs here!
It's not my theory. Heck, it's not even a theory - it's plain common sense. You can't even meaningfully compare income between states in the USA without also considering the differing cost of living.
I don't know what your point was because I stopped reading at the nonsense statement.
Also, I have it on good authority that officials *are* elected. From what I'm told, they're elected on a regional basis, and those officials vote on a representative for a wider region - I guess until you get to the top. I don't know who gets to vote, but I personally know people who do. I would guess you have to be a member of the communist party or something like that. I guess that precludes 'poor' people ('justification' is probably something to do with lack of education) and so not particularly relevant to this discussion; and anyway, a lot depends on the details that I don't know...I wouldn't mind knowing, but I don't find anything on the internet about it.
I can't make any comment on India since I've never lived there, but I have lived in the USA and China (in rural areas and cities) and can categorically say that it costs significantly less to live in China than in the USA. Sure, there are some goods that cost more in China than in the USA, but they're generally not necessary for living (high quality electronics and cars, for example) and so (IMO) are irrelevant when comparing the income of the poor.
Isn't this statement meaningless unless it's adjusted for cost of living?
For example, (IIRC) in Beijing, it can[1] cost 0.4rmb to travel from one side of the city to the other. That's about 0.06 USD. Furthermore, Beijing is not a small city.
[1] Some buses charge a fixed fee no matter how far you travel - others charge depending on how far you travel.
...but I'd prefer they actual work on producing a battery that has a longer life, like has been 'promised' for some time now (Mr Anderson), but has somehow failed to make it into products.
FYI, the BBC's web site had been blocked for many years, but was 'recently' unblocked (a year or so ago?). IIRC, it was ok when I was there in April.
I think more people care about Facebook being blocked than anything else....and, no, by my reckoning, not so many care about Google and its unfiltered results either.
Yeah, I was in mainland China, not HK, Macao or Taiwan.
> Please provide a link to a place where I can download symbian sources, build them, > and upload them to a phone before you say anything this ridiculous again. "Not all > of the code is yet available under open source licences". PURE FUD. STOP NOW.
However, I followed your link and one link deeper I find :
"Why haven't you made everything public?
Most of our code and tools code was originally contributed under the SFL. On 4th February 2010 we made all of our source code open source, however some tools code was not ready.
We promised to make all of our code available under the EPL by mid 2010. We made our source code available as soon as possible and hope to complete the full process ahead of schedule. We'll continue to publish information on Platform Completeness. "
I guess it's debatable, but I would say that not including source code for some tools does not count as 'not open source' - it totally depends on what those tools are. I imagine there are tools Google use that aren't Open Source.
I'm not quite sure what is missing and how it effects the ability to build it.
I don't have a link to where you can upload them to a phone...I'm not even sure what that means. I suppose you mean just instructions on how to do so. While relevant in the grand scheme of things, I don't see how that is a problem Symbian should be solving. What is the equivalent for Android? I suppose now Google have produced the Nexus one, they give instructions on uploading to or flashing that.
> You can use all those languages on Android as well via the NDK, but if you want a GUI you will have to touch Java.
We agree on that then. I've not tried GUI development on the new Symbian platform, only the previous S60 2nd and 3rd, and then only in Symbian C++, so I can't really speak to how accessible GUI development if you happen to choose those other languages.
Also, I think the underlying issue in this story is about Open Source (rather than Linux), and I think even Symbian is more Open Source than Android is.
I say that mainly because of Symbian's open governance model - ie no one company has control. The same can be said of MeeGo, and Qt is heading that way too.
Symbian also gives you many more choices for development than Android - there's a whole wealth of programming languages to choose from.
In many ways, Nokia is really doing Open Source like very few other companies. I don't know if the upper echelons really get it (maybe), but the I'm certain many (majority even) of the engineers do - FOSS really is at the heart of the company.
Nokia is an Open Source company too - ref: Symbian, Qt and Maemo/MeeGo.
In fact, (IMO) it is a prime reason many of the current employees work there - well, engineers anyway; they really believe in Open Source.
Revenue 40.99 billion (2009) Operating income 1.197 billion (2009) Net income 891 million (2009) Total assets 35.74 billion (2009) Total equity 14.75 billion (2009)
I'm sure they say as much on their web site...this is from their FAQ :
Q8. How is Linaro different from Android, MeeGo, LiMo or other similar distribution?
A8. Linaro software and tools provide a common software foundation for the industry to use with multiple software stacks and distributions. Linaro software and tools focus on areas that interact directly with the silicon. Distributions such as Android and Ubuntu provide the full user experience whereas Linaro enhances the upstream projects directly and provides useful components to any downstream distributions that wish to leverage the work done by Linaro.
Right. Saying something didn't happen just because there are no pics (or videos) is retarded.
As far as I can make out, all Apple did was to popularise multi-touch (and it isn't all that popular, IMO); and I don't think a company should be allowed to patent something just because they made it popular.
I guess what Google is talking about must be something different because Nokia had s/w for the N95 that could take a picture of a Chinese menu and provide a translation in English.
What if there were two earths rotating around the sun at the same distance? Wouldn't the sun be stationary then? Hypothetical, but true, no?
Extending this, I guess, then, that there could well be something, somewhere that is actually stationary. In fact, if you take all particles into account, why couldn't it be the sun?
Isn't it true that you can only measure your velocity relative to some other object? However, acceleration is not relative and can always be detected. Since rotation requires acceleration, can't we detect is something is stationary? I suppose we'd actually have to put an accelerometer on the sun to detect if it is accelerating in any direction or not.
I'm genuinely curious, btw;) I suppose this is all written somewhere, and I should just look it up...nah.
I don't know, but I'd assume not since the Rackable dropped graphics like a stone fairly soon after they bought the real SGI, and I think OpenGL Performer was dropped quite nicely quite a bit before then.
Well, if you're wrong, you're wrong. Don't blame us since the bit you got wrong is pivotal to the discussion.
> Let me try again: SGI always had multi CPU machines available for running Performer
Well, I'm sure they[1] did since they made the things. Customers, on the other hand, did not. Heck, there were several games for SGI that ran on single CPU systems just fine.
> PC games not using multiple CPUs is completely separate from SGI machines running Performer
Well, again, that's irrelevant. My point is that, if SGI can do it, then "PC games" can too - ie there's no necessity to always code for the lowest common denomitor.
[1] I say 'they', when I should say 'we' - I worked there and my specialty was Onyx2 and OpenGL Performer and I used it mostly on single CPU systems since otherwise I would have to go into a lab.
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What idiot marked this redundant? I was wondering what the gp was talking about since both glossy and matter are flat - I mean, we're not talking about CRTs here!
It's a very odd use of the word 'flat', IMO.
I did follow it....you seem to not consider that he made the same mistake.
> so your theory doesn't work on all levels
It's not my theory. Heck, it's not even a theory - it's plain common sense. You can't even meaningfully compare income between states in the USA without also considering the differing cost of living.
I don't know what your point was because I stopped reading at the nonsense statement.
Also, I have it on good authority that officials *are* elected. From what I'm told, they're elected on a regional basis, and those officials vote on a representative for a wider region - I guess until you get to the top. I don't know who gets to vote, but I personally know people who do. I would guess you have to be a member of the communist party or something like that. I guess that precludes 'poor' people ('justification' is probably something to do with lack of education) and so not particularly relevant to this discussion; and anyway, a lot depends on the details that I don't know...I wouldn't mind knowing, but I don't find anything on the internet about it.
I can't make any comment on India since I've never lived there, but I have lived in the USA and China (in rural areas and cities) and can categorically say that it costs significantly less to live in China than in the USA. Sure, there are some goods that cost more in China than in the USA, but they're generally not necessary for living (high quality electronics and cars, for example) and so (IMO) are irrelevant when comparing the income of the poor.
> let of steam
off
Not sure. What I put sounds right, but you'll have to ask Yoda to be certain.
> who earn less than US$2 a day
Isn't this statement meaningless unless it's adjusted for cost of living?
For example, (IIRC) in Beijing, it can[1] cost 0.4rmb to travel from one side of the city to the other. That's about 0.06 USD. Furthermore, Beijing is not a small city.
[1] Some buses charge a fixed fee no matter how far you travel - others charge depending on how far you travel.
*your* anus
I've been waiting to say that for a long time - LOL :)
He really meant, "Murphy's?", but mis-spelled it.
I bet yoda uses a lot of commas :)
Commas, misplaced, will be.
...but I'd prefer they actual work on producing a battery that has a longer life, like has been 'promised' for some time now (Mr Anderson), but has somehow failed to make it into products.
FYI, the BBC's web site had been blocked for many years, but was 'recently' unblocked (a year or so ago?). IIRC, it was ok when I was there in April.
I think more people care about Facebook being blocked than anything else. ...and, no, by my reckoning, not so many care about Google and its unfiltered results either.
Yeah, I was in mainland China, not HK, Macao or Taiwan.
Now *that* sounds like fud to me.
Ok, I admit, I haven't tried.
> Please provide a link to a place where I can download symbian sources, build them,
> and upload them to a phone before you say anything this ridiculous again. "Not all
> of the code is yet available under open source licences". PURE FUD. STOP NOW.
However, I followed your link and one link deeper I find :
"Why haven't you made everything public?
Most of our code and tools code was originally contributed under the SFL. On 4th February 2010 we made all of our source code open source, however some tools code was not ready.
We promised to make all of our code available under the EPL by mid 2010. We made our source code available as soon as possible and hope to complete the full process ahead of schedule. We'll continue to publish information on Platform Completeness.
"
I guess it's debatable, but I would say that not including source code for some tools does not count as 'not open source' - it totally depends on what those tools are. I imagine there are tools Google use that aren't Open Source.
So, I stand by my interpretation.
IINM, the code is here :
http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Making_Changes_with_Mercurial
I'm not quite sure what is missing and how it effects the ability to build it.
I don't have a link to where you can upload them to a phone...I'm not even sure what that means. I suppose you mean just instructions on how to do so. While relevant in the grand scheme of things, I don't see how that is a problem Symbian should be solving. What is the equivalent for Android? I suppose now Google have produced the Nexus one, they give instructions on uploading to or flashing that.
> You can use all those languages on Android as well via the NDK, but if you want a GUI you will have to touch Java.
We agree on that then. I've not tried GUI development on the new Symbian platform, only the previous S60 2nd and 3rd, and then only in Symbian C++, so I can't really speak to how accessible GUI development if you happen to choose those other languages.
Also, I think the underlying issue in this story is about Open Source (rather than Linux), and I think even Symbian is more Open Source than Android is.
I say that mainly because of Symbian's open governance model - ie no one company has control. The same can be said of MeeGo, and Qt is heading that way too.
Symbian also gives you many more choices for development than Android - there's a whole wealth of programming languages to choose from.
In many ways, Nokia is really doing Open Source like very few other companies. I don't know if the upper echelons really get it (maybe), but the I'm certain many (majority even) of the engineers do - FOSS really is at the heart of the company.
I agree that both are China, but I'm curious how "USA" is synonymous with "America".
Nokia is an Open Source company too - ref: Symbian, Qt and Maemo/MeeGo.
In fact, (IMO) it is a prime reason many of the current employees work there - well, engineers anyway; they really believe in Open Source.
Revenue 40.99 billion (2009)
Operating income 1.197 billion (2009)
Net income 891 million (2009)
Total assets 35.74 billion (2009)
Total equity 14.75 billion (2009)
What criterion is the article using?
well, sgi's old dg5-8 could do 8 monitors, but you could have 16 per machine.
price...er...yeah...ok...
I'm sure they say as much on their web site...this is from their FAQ :
Q8. How is Linaro different from Android, MeeGo, LiMo or other similar distribution?
A8. Linaro software and tools provide a common software foundation for the industry to use with multiple software stacks and distributions. Linaro software and tools focus on areas that interact directly with the silicon. Distributions such as Android and Ubuntu provide the full user experience whereas Linaro enhances the upstream projects directly and provides useful components to any downstream distributions that wish to leverage the work done by Linaro.
won't this also help meego?
Right. Saying something didn't happen just because there are no pics (or videos) is retarded.
As far as I can make out, all Apple did was to popularise multi-touch (and it isn't all that popular, IMO); and I don't think a company should be allowed to patent something just because they made it popular.
I guess what Google is talking about must be something different because Nokia had s/w for the N95 that could take a picture of a Chinese menu and provide a translation in English.
What if there were two earths rotating around the sun at the same distance? Wouldn't the sun be stationary then? Hypothetical, but true, no?
Extending this, I guess, then, that there could well be something, somewhere that is actually stationary. In fact, if you take all particles into account, why couldn't it be the sun?
Isn't it true that you can only measure your velocity relative to some other object? However, acceleration is not relative and can always be detected. Since rotation requires acceleration, can't we detect is something is stationary? I suppose we'd actually have to put an accelerometer on the sun to detect if it is accelerating in any direction or not.
I'm genuinely curious, btw ;) I suppose this is all written somewhere, and I should just look it up...nah.
but aren't these people with open wifi actually advertising the fact, inviting you to use it, and telling you how to do it too?
I mean, that's what *I* do with my wifi. How else can I do it without people thinking that they can't without breaking the law?
> Its never* been a technical limitation
Indeed. That's what I was saying.
I don't know, but I'd assume not since the Rackable dropped graphics like a stone fairly soon after they bought the real SGI, and I think OpenGL Performer was dropped quite nicely quite a bit before then.
> Jeez, the pedants are out in force today...
Well, if you're wrong, you're wrong. Don't blame us since the bit you got wrong is pivotal to the discussion.
> Let me try again: SGI always had multi CPU machines available for running Performer
Well, I'm sure they[1] did since they made the things. Customers, on the other hand, did not. Heck, there were several games for SGI that ran on single CPU systems just fine.
> PC games not using multiple CPUs is completely separate from SGI machines running Performer
Well, again, that's irrelevant. My point is that, if SGI can do it, then "PC games" can too - ie there's no necessity to always code for the lowest common denomitor.
[1] I say 'they', when I should say 'we' - I worked there and my specialty was Onyx2 and OpenGL Performer and I used it mostly on single CPU systems since otherwise I would have to go into a lab.