...had malware years ago, but they introduced measures to stamp them out. This was the move from Symbian 7 to Symbian 8. IINM, this was the reason for the introduction of capabilities.
I was wondering why it was 'ironic', and I think it's common knowledge that a single line is more efficient...many places use this system with either a single queue or a take-a-number.
Fair enough, though I'm neither Asian nor American. I'm English (sort of), though I guess my complaining *is* worthy of someone from the USA - I spent several years working and living there (prior to moving to Beijing), so had plenty of practice (there's plenty to complain about there too), and many opportunities to observe the 'pros', so to speak:) Anyway, I certainly have seen plenty of Chinese people complaining...a situation where a domestic aeroplane was delayed comes to immediately to mind...very loud and obnoxious;)... perhaps he was from the USA.
I lived there for several years and there were some days that were pretty bad, but those were mostly due to weather conditions - particularly the dust/sand storms, which were some times quite spectacular.
Most of the time I was wondering what all the fuss (made by USians mostly) was about. Of course, I wasn't conducting scientific analysis, but I'll bet it's not nearly as poor as the reports might make you think. I hear some cities in the US have trouble too...
Quite amusing though, but not of much interest otherwise, if you ask me.
> n900 may be a nice device otherwise but only 256MB is totally crippling
Well, it *is* quite old now...but I do wonder why you think that. I can't say I've had any problem with its supposed lack of memory. No, the most serious problem with the n900, in my opinion, is the battery life, and that certainly is a problem with all smart phones these days, to a varying degree. I "manage" by carrying several batteries "just in case" and a smaller charger...and plugging it in is pretty much the first thing I do where ever I go. If I know I'm going to be away from power for extended periods, I start turning apps off.
Yes, I am one of those users who are always online on pretty much all networks, and have GPS on and 'internet connection' set to automatic too. IMO, this is the way such phones are supposed to be used, and I prefer suffering the poor battery life than compromising the way I use it. It's a choice though and, like I say, in some situations I will choose to be offline 'by default' (like international travel or long walks, for example) so that the battery lasts long enough to cover the situations where I will want to use it.
Most people complain about the resistive touch screen, but I mostly prefer it to capacitative ones. I'd prefer the improved scratch resistance of capacitative's typically harder surface , but that's about the only thing I prefer....everything else is better for resistive (at least on the n900's).
I think I was a few years behind you. My first Apple was a TiBook...very nice h/w though the stupid windowing system didn't work for me and they made irritating changes to the OS to make it incompatible with everything else. Those issues made me realise what I was getting into. It took me a while to get out of it all, but I really felt free again when I went back to Linux.
I like to think of it like this....it's not accurate but I think it illustrates the point...
Chinese people don't complain about their government becuase it's all working out at the moment.
Apple users don't complain because it's all working for them at the moment.
They have both given away their freedom just because it's working for them at the moment. I predict the Chinese government will get a clue to change sooner than Apple.
> Apple is being sued left and right by companies that have actually innovated in the cellular field. Apple just > copied everything and paid no-one. > Apple has blatantly refused to join any patent pools, instead they happily infringe other companies' IP rights.
> Just because carriers lock down their phones does NOT mean that Android is not completely open in any way.
Right, it just means that the platform is fragments and users don't get the same experience when they buy an 'Android phone'.
Other things I mentioned, however, do mean (to me) that Android is not completely open. The fact (correct me if I'm wrong) that there is no mechanism to contribute to or influence the direction the platform.
Here's a hypothetical example. Nokia are developing lots of services and they would like them to be available to as many people as possible. So, they take a look at the source code and see that they can replace Google's services with Nokia's. They make the change and they can then ship it on their own devices. However, they cannot submit that change back to Google and have it form part of the 'real' Android. This is obvious because such a change results in a loss to Google. However, they cannot even submit code that gives the user a choice (at start-up or something) between different services.
It's because Google is 'in it for the money' that makes it not suitable for Google's competitors (in the service sector, at least). It's only fine for companies who are happy with just making devices, or are happy to make a fork of Android, which generally only targets their own users[1] and fragments the platform.
Meego and Symbian are not 'controlled' by single companies, but by independent foundations :
Meego is 'hosted' by the Linux Foundation :
"The Linux Foundation hosts the MeeGo project as an open source project, provides a vendor neutral collaboration environment, and encourages community contributions in line with the best practices of the open source development model."
Symbian is controller by the Symbian Foundation :
"As a foundation, it is not owned by any single entity. Instead, it is guided by an independent board of founding members, each of whom holds one equal vote."
"The initial members are Nokia Corporation, Fujitsu Limited, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB, AT&T Mobility LLC, NTT DoCoMo, Inc., Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc., ST Microelectronics NV, Texas Instruments, Incorporated and Vodafone Group Services Limited."
I think this difference is important and provides for the freedom implicit in Open Source.
That's what I meant by :
Android is "open as in 'window', but not open as in 'door'". You can look in, and even copy, but you can't go in.
Max.
[1] unless they open source it or something, whereby other companies can also use it/etc.
Maybe - time will tell - but as a Meego developer, I can say that there is quite some interest in hiring people with such skills - more so than Maemo ever was anyway (IMO). I think some entities actually get that Android isn't quite what they want - good enough for now perhaps and better than iOS and Microsoft, but not much better than peeing in their pants to stay warm;)
...and Meego. Both Symbian and Meego are more open than Android (iinm), because there is no one member controlling it - ie they both have councils/etc.
In comparison, Android is a poor bet, if you ask me. I say this not only because it isn't very open to collaboration, but also because it is designed to profit Google in ways that other key players also want to profit - ie services. Sure, they can fork it and do whatever they want, but that just becomes fragmented and is only Android in name (which might be enough to dumb consumers, I suppose). Manufacturers like that they can see the code, but to changing it means it isn't 'comes with Google'.
Android is "Open" as in "Window", but not "Open" as in "Door".
But I'm sure some would disagree...and I'm quite interested in the counter arguments. So 'fire!'...
With FOSS, at some point in the distant future, everything tends to openness and to the benefit of all.
With 'them'...well, perhaps all products would be made by a single large company - of lawyers probably...or a few large companies with agreements to use each other's IP.
Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm sure someone can make this more "correct" - I'm sure there's an idea in there somewhere.
Having lived in China for many years, I find that very difficult to believe. I would say Audi is the best selling foreign make of car. Almost every military, government and police vehicle seems to be Audi, for a start.
I guess it totally depends on your definition of 'foreign make' and if that means 'foreign made'.
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So,someone can now fill in a citation for wikipedia?
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The 6502 design, with 3,150 transistors,[citation needed] was...
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didn't you know Daleks can fly?
...had malware years ago, but they introduced measures to stamp them out. This was the move from Symbian 7 to Symbian 8. IINM, this was the reason for the introduction of capabilities.
I was wondering why it was 'ironic', and I think it's common knowledge that a single line is more efficient...many places use this system with either a single queue or a take-a-number.
VLC is oft quoted as being based on Qt, and I notice that Qt is being ported to Android (and iOS). I wonder if these facts are related.
> An anonymous reader writes... ...Disclaimer: I made one of the videos!
>
Is that really a disclaimer?
it might be worth looking into using QtQuick since it has many advantages for UI designing.
Fair enough, though I'm neither Asian nor American. I'm English (sort of), though I guess my complaining *is* worthy of someone from the USA - I spent several years working and living there (prior to moving to Beijing), so had plenty of practice (there's plenty to complain about there too), and many opportunities to observe the 'pros', so to speak :) ;) ... perhaps he was from the USA.
Anyway, I certainly have seen plenty of Chinese people complaining...a situation where a domestic aeroplane was delayed comes to immediately to mind...very loud and obnoxious
I lived there for several years and there were some days that were pretty bad, but those were mostly due to weather conditions - particularly the dust/sand storms, which were some times quite spectacular.
Most of the time I was wondering what all the fuss (made by USians mostly) was about. Of course, I wasn't conducting scientific analysis, but I'll bet it's not nearly as poor as the reports might make you think. I hear some cities in the US have trouble too...
Quite amusing though, but not of much interest otherwise, if you ask me.
> n900 may be a nice device otherwise but only 256MB is totally crippling
Well, it *is* quite old now...but I do wonder why you think that. I can't say I've had any problem with its supposed lack of memory. No, the most serious problem with the n900, in my opinion, is the battery life, and that certainly is a problem with all smart phones these days, to a varying degree. I "manage" by carrying several batteries "just in case" and a smaller charger...and plugging it in is pretty much the first thing I do where ever I go. If I know I'm going to be away from power for extended periods, I start turning apps off.
Yes, I am one of those users who are always online on pretty much all networks, and have GPS on and 'internet connection' set to automatic too. IMO, this is the way such phones are supposed to be used, and I prefer suffering the poor battery life than compromising the way I use it. It's a choice though and, like I say, in some situations I will choose to be offline 'by default' (like international travel or long walks, for example) so that the battery lasts long enough to cover the situations where I will want to use it.
Most people complain about the resistive touch screen, but I mostly prefer it to capacitative ones. I'd prefer the improved scratch resistance of capacitative's typically harder surface , but that's about the only thing I prefer....everything else is better for resistive (at least on the n900's).
I think I was a few years behind you. My first Apple was a TiBook...very nice h/w though the stupid windowing system didn't work for me and they made irritating changes to the OS to make it incompatible with everything else. Those issues made me realise what I was getting into. It took me a while to get out of it all, but I really felt free again when I went back to Linux.
I like to think of it like this....it's not accurate but I think it illustrates the point...
Chinese people don't complain about their government becuase it's all working out at the moment.
Apple users don't complain because it's all working for them at the moment.
They have both given away their freedom just because it's working for them at the moment. I predict the Chinese government will get a clue to change sooner than Apple.
I totally agree with them.
> If nokia couldn't tell what would work on one of their device, then what hopes do developers have
Well, they can try it themselves, of course, using remote device access :
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Remote_device_access/
or, shock, actually buy some devices themselves.
These solutions might not work in all cases, but I do think it counts as 'hope'.
That's nice, but I'm struggling to see how that is relevant to anything...
Here's an innovation.
I wonder if this link will work :
http://j.map.baidu.com/r-jM
that's the world trade centres in Beijing.
If that doesn't work go to http://maps.baidu.com/ search for beijing '', and the click the '3D' button ().
Amazing.
> Bull.
> Apple is being sued left and right by companies that have actually innovated in the cellular field. Apple just
> copied everything and paid no-one.
> Apple has blatantly refused to join any patent pools, instead they happily infringe other companies' IP rights.
Yeah, this is my impression too.
> Just because carriers lock down their phones does NOT mean that Android is not completely open in any way.
Right, it just means that the platform is fragments and users don't get the same experience when they buy an 'Android phone'.
Other things I mentioned, however, do mean (to me) that Android is not completely open. The fact (correct me if I'm wrong) that there is no mechanism to contribute to or influence the direction the platform.
Here's a hypothetical example. Nokia are developing lots of services and they would like them to be available to as many people as possible. So, they take a look at the source code and see that they can replace Google's services with Nokia's. They make the change and they can then ship it on their own devices. However, they cannot submit that change back to Google and have it form part of the 'real' Android. This is obvious because such a change results in a loss to Google. However, they cannot even submit code that gives the user a choice (at start-up or something) between different services.
It's because Google is 'in it for the money' that makes it not suitable for Google's competitors (in the service sector, at least). It's only fine for companies who are happy with just making devices, or are happy to make a fork of Android, which generally only targets their own users[1] and fragments the platform.
Meego and Symbian are not 'controlled' by single companies, but by independent foundations :
Meego is 'hosted' by the Linux Foundation :
"The Linux Foundation hosts the MeeGo project as an open source project, provides a vendor neutral collaboration environment, and encourages community contributions in line with the best practices of the open source development model."
Symbian is controller by the Symbian Foundation :
"As a foundation, it is not owned by any single entity. Instead, it is guided by an independent board of founding members, each of whom holds one equal vote."
"The initial members are Nokia Corporation, Fujitsu Limited, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB, AT&T Mobility LLC, NTT DoCoMo, Inc., Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc., ST Microelectronics NV, Texas Instruments, Incorporated and Vodafone Group Services Limited."
I think this difference is important and provides for the freedom implicit in Open Source.
That's what I meant by :
Android is "open as in 'window', but not open as in 'door'". You can look in, and even copy, but you can't go in.
Max.
[1] unless they open source it or something, whereby other companies can also use it/etc.
> Meego will take a while to catch on
Maybe - time will tell - but as a Meego developer, I can say that there is quite some interest in hiring people with such skills - more so than Maemo ever was anyway (IMO). I think some entities actually get that Android isn't quite what they want - good enough for now perhaps and better than iOS and Microsoft, but not much better than peeing in their pants to stay warm ;)
...and Meego. Both Symbian and Meego are more open than Android (iinm), because there is no one member controlling it - ie they both have councils/etc.
In comparison, Android is a poor bet, if you ask me. I say this not only because it isn't very open to collaboration, but also because it is designed to profit Google in ways that other key players also want to profit - ie services. Sure, they can fork it and do whatever they want, but that just becomes fragmented and is only Android in name (which might be enough to dumb consumers, I suppose). Manufacturers like that they can see the code, but to changing it means it isn't 'comes with Google'.
Android is "Open" as in "Window", but not "Open" as in "Door".
But I'm sure some would disagree...and I'm quite interested in the counter arguments. So 'fire!'...
In my vision, it is something like this :
With FOSS, at some point in the distant future, everything tends to openness and to the benefit of all.
With 'them'...well, perhaps all products would be made by a single large company - of lawyers probably...or a few large companies with agreements to use each other's IP.
Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm sure someone can make this more "correct" - I'm sure there's an idea in there somewhere.
> that refused to date men who owned a PC
I also refuse to date men who own PCs.
I also refuse to date men who don't own PCs, if that's relevant. ...and I don't even know what Kool-aid is!
> and more of a voluntary admission mental institution.
Oh come ON moderators. That got a spontaneous LOL from me. Surely it's worth a funny moderation?
oh. ..but +5 funny????
I see "+5 Funny", but totally don't get it.
I feel cheated :( Care to enlighten me?
Having lived in China for many years, I find that very difficult to believe. I would say Audi is the best selling foreign make of car. Almost every military, government and police vehicle seems to be Audi, for a start.
I guess it totally depends on your definition of 'foreign make' and if that means 'foreign made'.