> since the country crushed pro-democracy protests in the capital 20 years ago
Dripping with bias, as usual.
IINM, the protest went on for a long time before they 'ended', and the way they ended sounded to me a lot more like panic amongst the soldiers because the protesters were burning them alive and/or shooting them, rather than any sort of 'ordered-from-on-high crush' that people in the west seem to think happened.
> Needing 5 lines of setup for each API call is annoying, particularly if those 5 lines are usually the same.
Doesn't this sort of thing help with testing though? I guess it 'depends', but if you are testing some part of the code, then it's much easier to pass in the things it needs so that you can control it's environment - otherwise you're trying to dissect the code from within, sometimes even needing 'friend' type relationships or perhaps even making it impossible(?).
I think they call it 'dependency injection' or something like that...yup,it's in this talk. I guess it's just one form of 'setup' and there are other times when it's pointless. ...or did I misunderstand the talk?
Many Nokias are free with contract - even some of the best ones. Yes, they can send MMSes and record video, and have decent cameras - and with some you can (legally) download all the music you want for no extra charge, eg the hugely popular 5800 :
"The Orange version also changes the price strategy and will be available for free as long as it's attached to a two-year Comes With Music cellular plan; these range from roughly 25 pounds ($37) per month"
>> MMS, video recording, background apps, > Pre "force issues"? Those are all features that are widely reported to be part of the 3.0 release coming at the annual WWDC...and they're standard features on almost all current phones, most notably Series40 and S60 which is the most ubiquitous phone OS at the moment.
I can't see Apple ever admitting they're wrong about anything, but they very often do an about turn if the feel it necessary. I still feel like they think they know better than me, so I won't touch them with a barge pole. I have several pieces of Apple gear (started with a TiBook back in 2002, iirc), and I've never been able to feel like it's stuff *I* own; rather I'm just borrowing it from Apple - a licence for me to give them (more) money.
> Jesus H Christ, they think this is going to compete with the App store?
My first thought when I read this was along the lines of, "Of course not" since how can they compete since they sell things for different platforms?
Then I figured they actually compete for developers, which is a more valid point, I suppose; since the buying experience more than likely directly effects the sales, which is important to developers; but then so is the number of customers where S60 has the advantage.
> Maybe they have a new version of their web browser... but who cares? they won't provide upgrades if you have an "ancient" model from 6 months ago!
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Who cares? Use one of the several third party ones[1] that's available. Try that on the iPhone...it's far from certain to me that Apple will allow you to install another web browser on *their* phone. If you like they way they do it, then great, but if you don't, you're (from what I've been told) screwed - because Apple think they know better than you do.
With Nokia phones, you can install whatever you want. "Jail break"...what's that?
[0] You're exaggerating. They just pick where to spend their effort. I just upgraded the firmware on my E90 about a month ago, and the E90 is year's old. [1] http://get.skyfire.com/ for example. I just loaded that on my E90.
I get put off by things that start with 'K' because I use the other one, and I somehow think that it won't work properly.
It's worth noting that Eclipse also has some 'vi' goings on....though, iirc, that's more like eclipse being squeezed into 'vim' rather than the other way around.
...and it's a real server too, ie you can put it into the background and leave it running all the time, and have it start automatically when the phone boots.
Try that sort of thing on the iPhone. I don't know why people put up with Apple. I borrowed an iPhone with the intention of trying it out. I opened the box, popped in my sim card (needs a special tool!), and then switched it on...then became very confused because it seemed to be suggesting I couldn't use it without iTunes. They're not seriously suggesting I have to connect it to iTunes in order to even use the phone, are they? I only use Linux, so, if it needs to somehow see iTunes, it's useless to me.
I put the iPhone back in the box and went back to using S60. My experience with the iPhone lasted only 5 minutes. The iPhone may be nicer to use (so far), but Nokia have the right attitude, IMO.
Did you miss the Visual User Experience links? That's basically using the whole machine as a 'graphics card'. IIRC, SGI's (IRIX) high end graphics was moving that way, so it's not a surprise.
Well, arguably, SGI didn't innovate in CPUs - that was MIPS which they bought and then sold again. No, their real innovation was in graphics and system architecture, IMO.
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I can't remember the last time I saw one of those light bulb. Do people still use them?
> since the country crushed pro-democracy protests in the capital 20 years ago
Dripping with bias, as usual.
IINM, the protest went on for a long time before they 'ended', and the way they ended sounded to me a lot more like panic amongst the soldiers because the protesters were burning them alive and/or shooting them, rather than any sort of 'ordered-from-on-high crush' that people in the west seem to think happened.
Correct, just like pretty much anything else.
> Needing 5 lines of setup for each API call is annoying, particularly if those 5 lines are usually the same.
Doesn't this sort of thing help with testing though? I guess it 'depends', but if you are testing some part of the code, then it's much easier to pass in the things it needs so that you can control it's environment - otherwise you're trying to dissect the code from within, sometimes even needing 'friend' type relationships or perhaps even making it impossible(?).
I think they call it 'dependency injection' or something like that...yup,it's in this talk. I guess it's just one form of 'setup' and there are other times when it's pointless.
...or did I misunderstand the talk?
> I believe he was taking the pound as a unit of weight, not cost.
Oh. People still use that measure? Wow. :p
> Also quite a lot of phones are free or cheap when signing your digital soul away for 2 years.
Yes, I think I mentioned that - it's the most usual way of obtaining a phone in the US, iinm, and pretty common in the UK too.
I wonder if one these 'free with contract' phone is produced by Apple, or if the Palm Pre is free with contract?
Many Nokias are free with contract - even some of the best ones. Yes, they can send MMSes and record video, and have decent cameras - and with some you can (legally) download all the music you want for no extra charge, eg the hugely popular 5800 :
"The Orange version also changes the price strategy and will be available for free as long as it's attached to a two-year Comes With Music cellular plan; these range from roughly 25 pounds ($37) per month"
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/13/nokia.5800.cwm.in.uk/
>> MMS, video recording, background apps, ...and they're standard features on almost all current phones, most notably Series40 and S60 which is the most ubiquitous phone OS at the moment.
> Pre "force issues"? Those are all features that are widely reported to be part of the 3.0 release coming at the annual WWDC
I can't see Apple ever admitting they're wrong about anything, but they very often do an about turn if the feel it necessary. I still feel like they think they know better than me, so I won't touch them with a barge pole. I have several pieces of Apple gear (started with a TiBook back in 2002, iirc), and I've never been able to feel like it's stuff *I* own; rather I'm just borrowing it from Apple - a licence for me to give them (more) money.
..and putty.
> I have used iphone for a total of 2 weeks and didn't like it at all.
I borrowed one for a week to see what all the fuss was about.
I turned it on and was presented with something on the screen that suggested I had to connect it to iTunes in order for it to work.
I have to have a computer in order to make it work? Seriously? Seriously? People buy this thing?
I have no computer that is running OS X or Microsoft (only linux), so it was useless and I gave it back.
Is there some way to make it work without a computer? I could borrow it again, I suppose...
> Jesus H Christ, they think this is going to compete with the App store?
My first thought when I read this was along the lines of, "Of course not" since how can they compete since they sell things for different platforms?
Then I figured they actually compete for developers, which is a more valid point, I suppose; since the buying experience more than likely directly effects the sales, which is important to developers; but then so is the number of customers where S60 has the advantage.
> I wonder if they fixed the horrible threading model in Symbian.
Can you give more details? What's so horrible about it?
> and the E90 is year's old.
^year's^years'
> Maybe they have a new version of their web browser ... but who cares? they won't provide upgrades if you have an "ancient" model from 6 months ago!
[0]
Who cares? Use one of the several third party ones[1] that's available. Try that on the iPhone...it's far from certain to me that Apple will allow you to install another web browser on *their* phone. If you like they way they do it, then great, but if you don't, you're (from what I've been told) screwed - because Apple think they know better than you do.
With Nokia phones, you can install whatever you want. "Jail break"...what's that?
[0] You're exaggerating. They just pick where to spend their effort. I just upgraded the firmware on my E90 about a month ago, and the E90 is year's old.
[1] http://get.skyfire.com/ for example. I just loaded that on my E90.
I think it is also long for door in Finnish.
> Kdevelop4 is the most promising one, I think
I get put off by things that start with 'K' because I use the other one, and I somehow think that it won't work properly.
It's worth noting that Eclipse also has some 'vi' goings on....though, iirc, that's more like eclipse being squeezed into 'vim' rather than the other way around.
> The other is Qt Software's offer Qt creator which is also getting a good deal of praise.
It seems to have some modicum of 'vi' support too, though I've not tried it (yet).
Hrm. I might go for this if it weren't running OS X (or rather Aqua). Can it run Linux?
...and it's a real server too, ie you can put it into the background and leave it running all the time, and have it start automatically when the phone boots.
Try that sort of thing on the iPhone. I don't know why people put up with Apple. I borrowed an iPhone with the intention of trying it out. I opened the box, popped in my sim card (needs a special tool!), and then switched it on...then became very confused because it seemed to be suggesting I couldn't use it without iTunes. They're not seriously suggesting I have to connect it to iTunes in order to even use the phone, are they? I only use Linux, so, if it needs to somehow see iTunes, it's useless to me.
I put the iPhone back in the box and went back to using S60. My experience with the iPhone lasted only 5 minutes. The iPhone may be nicer to use (so far), but Nokia have the right attitude, IMO.
I thought they were copying Symbian....but I like your answer better :)
Did you miss the Visual User Experience links? That's basically using the whole machine as a 'graphics card'. IIRC, SGI's (IRIX) high end graphics was moving that way, so it's not a surprise.
> I'm at a loss for words.
The word you're looking for is 'too'.
You clearly aren't familiar with SGI's latest move back into 'graphics' (note the quotes, since it's not in the traditional sense).
Well, arguably, SGI didn't innovate in CPUs - that was MIPS which they bought and then sold again. No, their real innovation was in graphics and system architecture, IMO.
> the SGI logo coming out of the 2D drawing - that one is in the GLUT demos
It's part of the Maxx Desktop now :)
Brings back memories when I run it on Ubuntu...
I would question it being the best thing they ever sold, but it was certainly the stupidest move in selling it...