> So no offense, but with the style of MaXX, I would get depressive.
Well, it's still under development...hint hint.
I don't much care what it looks like - I just like how fast I can use it; and I don't mean the speed of the window manager so much as the short cuts/etc/etc, though the speed is part of it too (it's impressive how quick it is in the alpha...I wonder what the end result will be like).
Yes, I can probably fiddle with gnome or some other window manager to behave the same way - I even heard of someone hacking MS Windows to do the same (good luck with Mac OS X though...Apple know better, of course) - but still...
Also, IINM, Maxx isn't just a port, but the intention is to make it better too, so I would imagine all constructive input is welcome - I imagine one of them read your post:)
If you like the logo, then you can try the old 'ideas' demo. It comes part of the 5dwm for linux - now called Maxx Desktop - along with the old favourites, gr_osview, and gmemusage.
> Any Symbian S60 phone will do this with Joikuspot (a $20 software add-on).
Not quite. The phone has to have wifi h/w, which reduces the range quite a bit. Still, IINM, that new E71X on AT&T is available for $99 and that has wifi.
I think $99 is pretty cheap, though I guess you might end up paying more depending on what data plan you pick and that sort of thing. Also, IINM, JoikuSpot is only free for web access (the 'Light' version?) - anything else and you have to buy the 'premium' version, which seems to be 15 Euros.
Still, it seems to be a much more flexible solution to me - especially since you'll have it with you all the time and don't have to carry something else with you.
There are other companies that have similar products too, iirc.
re installing/upgrading stuff on windows isn't hard...
I'm guessing you using Windows as an administrator. If you don't run as administrator, it is often 'hard'. Sometimes it's as simple as 'run as...admin' or as inconvenient as switching user to admin (for my parents, switching user crashes windows, so they have to log out, in as admin to install, log out again and log back in again at the non-admin user).
Firefox, for example, gives all sorts of problems when it tries to update itself as a non-admin user. Thunderbird too.
Sometimes it *is* hard, but I'm talking about XP...not sure about Vista since I've not used it (I saw it once, but that was at a friend's house and he works for Microsoft).
I had similar trouble figuring out exactly what it meant, though, like him, I guessed well enough.
I'm 43 and English. Yes, the English language is my first language, and, no, the sentence doesn't make much sense (to me). Maybe it would help to be familiar with the American off-shoot.
All the evidence I've found states that it was the protesters that *start*ed shooting the soldiers and that the soldiers were specifically told not to shoot back...I guess that didn't last or the order changed...but in *my* research, the whole thing was a *lot* less one-sided than people in the west like to make out it was.
Actually, I've watched many videos taken by reporters and actually listened to what they say is happening, and it all seems quite understandable to me. For example, one reporter said that the protesters were throwing petrol bombs into the tanks and armoured vehicles and that the drivers were panicing...could be a good reason why someone might get run over, I would think. Did you see the BBC video of the protesters burning a soldier alive? Worth a look - it might give you cause to question whether it was as one-sided as you make out. It sounded more like a war to me - ie with *both* sides being armed.
Right. That was my reaction too - 'What's this got to do with carriers?'.
They piss me right off. I wish there were one that were happy to be a dumb pipe, because that's all anyone wants from them - anyone apart from the carriers themselves that is.
> Or rather, it may be slightly (but not very much) more expensive than a PC with similar specs,
I don't get quite why people try to compare machines will the same (or similar) specs.
I compare the machines with (at least) the specs I want. The fact is, Apple doesn't provide as many options/flexibility as other vendors, so I can more closely match my requirements with other vendors' products.
I think that's a more accurate or useful comparison. I don't consider the s/w because I don't like Microsoft or Apple s/w, so they'll be the first things to go anyway - if I can/could order them with Linux, I will/would.
I posit that you've (plural) just made those definitions up and that they are only intuitive because you've defined them that way.
Furthermore, I think you'd easily come up with similar definitions using Celsius once you get used to it. For example, I have a pretty good idea how I'd feel in whatever Celsius number you care to pick...perhaps just split it into 5s...and you'd feel like it's just as intuitive.
0 freezing 05 very cold 510 cold 1015 chilly 1520 slightly chilly 2025 comfortable 2530 warm bla bla
Perhaps if you could change the battery, you would regularly use just one laptop. I expect a spare battery (and charger) is cheaper than a whole other laptop...
> Will this Open Sourcing in any way help me with getting a longer lifetime for my phone? Or do I need to keep buying new phones just to get the latest Symbian version?
I'm guessing - "not much". If it's open source, then you can probably do the work yourself (eventually, when it becomes properly open source), though I guess that depends on licenses and things.
Did you expect someone else to do all the hard and expensive work?
> I was implying that it was jumping on the opensource bandwagon,
Sure. Well, almost...actually, Android releasing a free$ OS meant that Symbian were at a distinct disadvantage since they were not free. I imagine that the license fees paid by Nokia for Symbian made it worth their while to make the purchase and then 'give it away' - ie open it up.
This is a good thing.
It was one of the primary reasons I saw that Google would do such a thing - now they can work on the platform much more easily; but that's just my opinion, not that they've joined the Symbian Foundation, yet. I guess Google will wait until it's open to all, rather than just members of the foundation; iirc that's planned for next year (or was it later this year), but I can't find anything online about that in short order.
> Lots of people using something doesn't make it well written or well designed.
I don't think anyone's arguing that; however, at least one can see (now, for a price, and later, for free) how it's written or designed, badly or not - unlike some.
Slashdot Mirror
> So no offense, but with the style of MaXX, I would get depressive.
Well, it's still under development...hint hint.
I don't much care what it looks like - I just like how fast I can use it; and I don't mean the speed of the window manager so much as the short cuts/etc/etc, though the speed is part of it too (it's impressive how quick it is in the alpha...I wonder what the end result will be like).
Yes, I can probably fiddle with gnome or some other window manager to behave the same way - I even heard of someone hacking MS Windows to do the same (good luck with Mac OS X though...Apple know better, of course) - but still...
Also, IINM, Maxx isn't just a port, but the intention is to make it better too, so I would imagine all constructive input is welcome - I imagine one of them read your post :)
When most people talk about IRIX, they're really talking about the GUI, which is 4Dwm, and there's an on-going porting effort here.
I don't think there are any other operating systems that will run on his Octane....if he wants a different OS, he'll have to change h/w too.
I think you can likely get such things here.
It sounds like a good move to me...though a somewhat strange method of making admins do so.
If you like the logo, then you can try the old 'ideas' demo. It comes part of the 5dwm for linux - now called Maxx Desktop - along with the old favourites, gr_osview, and gmemusage.
I'm not sure why you would think this is even 'on-the-cards'. I would say that it's almost certainly not going to be developed again.
> If your phone has a feature that no-one uses, is it really a feature?
Except that people do use it. What makes you think people don't?
> Any Symbian S60 phone will do this with Joikuspot (a $20 software add-on).
Not quite. The phone has to have wifi h/w, which reduces the range quite a bit. Still, IINM, that new E71X on AT&T is available for $99 and that has wifi.
I think $99 is pretty cheap, though I guess you might end up paying more depending on what data plan you pick and that sort of thing. Also, IINM, JoikuSpot is only free for web access (the 'Light' version?) - anything else and you have to buy the 'premium' version, which seems to be 15 Euros.
Still, it seems to be a much more flexible solution to me - especially since you'll have it with you all the time and don't have to carry something else with you.
There are other companies that have similar products too, iirc.
and there are several solutions to this on Symbian too, that have been available for years.
re installing/upgrading stuff on windows isn't hard...
I'm guessing you using Windows as an administrator. If you don't run as administrator, it is often 'hard'. Sometimes it's as simple as 'run as...admin' or as inconvenient as switching user to admin (for my parents, switching user crashes windows, so they have to log out, in as admin to install, log out again and log back in again at the non-admin user).
Firefox, for example, gives all sorts of problems when it tries to update itself as a non-admin user. Thunderbird too.
Sometimes it *is* hard, but I'm talking about XP...not sure about Vista since I've not used it (I saw it once, but that was at a friend's house and he works for Microsoft).
I had similar trouble figuring out exactly what it meant, though, like him, I guessed well enough.
I'm 43 and English. Yes, the English language is my first language, and, no, the sentence doesn't make much sense (to me). Maybe it would help to be familiar with the American off-shoot.
If you liked it, perhaps you should checkout Maxxdesktop.
I loved the SGI UI...so much so that I can't wait for to get it on Linux too. I tried aqua and hated that, and gnome ain't much better.
I hope this doesn't affect that effort.
All the evidence I've found states that it was the protesters that *start*ed shooting the soldiers and that the soldiers were specifically told not to shoot back...I guess that didn't last or the order changed...but in *my* research, the whole thing was a *lot* less one-sided than people in the west like to make out it was.
Actually, I've watched many videos taken by reporters and actually listened to what they say is happening, and it all seems quite understandable to me. For example, one reporter said that the protesters were throwing petrol bombs into the tanks and armoured vehicles and that the drivers were panicing...could be a good reason why someone might get run over, I would think. Did you see the BBC video of the protesters burning a soldier alive? Worth a look - it might give you cause to question whether it was as one-sided as you make out. It sounded more like a war to me - ie with *both* sides being armed.
Right. That was my reaction too - 'What's this got to do with carriers?'.
They piss me right off. I wish there were one that were happy to be a dumb pipe, because that's all anyone wants from them - anyone apart from the carriers themselves that is.
> Or rather, it may be slightly (but not very much) more expensive than a PC with similar specs,
I don't get quite why people try to compare machines will the same (or similar) specs.
I compare the machines with (at least) the specs I want. The fact is, Apple doesn't provide as many options/flexibility as other vendors, so I can more closely match my requirements with other vendors' products.
I think that's a more accurate or useful comparison. I don't consider the s/w because I don't like Microsoft or Apple s/w, so they'll be the first things to go anyway - if I can/could order them with Linux, I will/would.
You were modded 'funny'. Were you going for 'Funny'? That's not how I read your post anyway. Curious...
I posit that you've (plural) just made those definitions up and that they are only intuitive because you've defined them that way.
Furthermore, I think you'd easily come up with similar definitions using Celsius once you get used to it. For example, I have a pretty good idea how I'd feel in whatever Celsius number you care to pick...perhaps just split it into 5s...and you'd feel like it's just as intuitive.
0 freezing
05 very cold
510 cold
1015 chilly
1520 slightly chilly
2025 comfortable
2530 warm
bla bla
Perhaps if you could change the battery, you would regularly use just one laptop. I expect a spare battery (and charger) is cheaper than a whole other laptop...
Since when were the humans non-combatant in this?
Sounds like a very American attitude...
I didn't notice the poster saying where the ISP was either, so who knows if the 'law' applies to that location...
Mod parent up please. It's fairly well balance and reasoned, with references to back it up.
Should be at least 3/informative, IMO.
> Will this Open Sourcing in any way help me with getting a longer lifetime for my phone? Or do I need to keep buying new phones just to get the latest Symbian version?
I'm guessing - "not much". If it's open source, then you can probably do the work yourself (eventually, when it becomes properly open source), though I guess that depends on licenses and things.
Did you expect someone else to do all the hard and expensive work?
> I was implying that it was jumping on the opensource bandwagon,
Sure. Well, almost...actually, Android releasing a free$ OS meant that Symbian were at a distinct disadvantage since they were not free. I imagine that the license fees paid by Nokia for Symbian made it worth their while to make the purchase and then 'give it away' - ie open it up.
This is a good thing.
It was one of the primary reasons I saw that Google would do such a thing - now they can work on the platform much more easily; but that's just my opinion, not that they've joined the Symbian Foundation, yet. I guess Google will wait until it's open to all, rather than just members of the foundation; iirc that's planned for next year (or was it later this year), but I can't find anything online about that in short order.
> Lots of people using something doesn't make it well written or well designed.
I don't think anyone's arguing that; however, at least one can see (now, for a price, and later, for free) how it's written or designed, badly or not - unlike some.