It's a insurance racket. the money you pay monthly to them goes in the pot and "if" someone gets screwed they pay out $1million dollars but just like any insurance company there are stipulations on there love.
In the end they make more than they payout so yes it's lucrative with nearly every online and radio talk host hawking there product.
"Take the smartest most adept computer engineer in the world, put him/her out in the woods with a set of clothes, a tent, and a pocket knife. Call me when he returns with a functioning computer."
That call would never come, he'd be dead in a couple of days since it's his first trip away from mom's basement.
~
The "metalurgical expet" (??) would have died as well since they have never worked in the construction field and would not know what to do without the grunt labor.
You've never worked for a local county (US) government facility have you?
They all run AS/400's and have four to six programmers. The only requirement to be a programmer is that you have a college degree and know someone that works there.
Most of them are females with art degree's with little to no programming background/experience. Every once in awhile you will see a 'real' programmer burn out show up for a few years and they are *GODS* at fixing there cobbled together sh!t. There allowed to act however they want as management knows as soon as they de-burn-out(?) they will leave for better paying jobs.
SFBC is a great buy yes you have to pay shipping (duh) but after you buy your five at regular price
around $20 dollars you start getting 50% off specials which will net you hardbacks in the $12 to $15 dollar range.
And when I say hardbacks I mean special print runs. Most of the time they not only re-print the books in there own hardbacks but they get new artwork for the older out of print titles.
I tend to buy books from them first and then what I can't find (usually brand new titles) through them I go to Amazon or B&N.
10k books does not always equate to quality reading.
Part of the reason you join a book club whether on line or in person is to get recommendations for books you might not normally read from people you semi-trust.
It must be rocket science since your not getting the point. If he was as poorly read as your thinking then the library would be a good starting point.
But for me I've donated 90% of all the sci-fi/fantasy at my local library so what good does that do for me?
I am a member of the sfbc.com and the Beyond_Reality yahoo group which is a great starting point to finding better reading material instead of just "more" material.
How's that different from Win2K and WinXP? Same thing happened then.
Microsoft's monopoly isn't on good software it's there ability to tie
up all the major hardware vendors into all or nothing licenses to
push Windows on new computer sales.
It must be another slow news day.
That's what happens when you do not have the foresight or skill to upgrade from an older version of Netware. I've run large scale Netware 5.5 and 6.0 operations with 30k+ workstations without needing help from Novel or having "memory management" issues.
NetAdmin has always made MS AD look like the short bus stepson of the networking industry. I just can't take anyone serious that says they are looking at MS products after taking the time to work with and *learn* any of the Unix platforms.
I am actively moving to the Suse platform but it's not because Netware sucks, it's because it will no longer be supported.
"Compared to the other email solutions I've seen and used, Outlook is immensely powerful.
The calendar function is like none other, and Outlook 2003's junkmail handling and security is very good IMO; I especially like the fact that it will not display images and scripting within an email unless the address/domain is whitelisted."
You're obviously a Windows only user as Evolution beats the hell out of Outlook 2003 for security and it's calendar is as good if not better. Plus it does integrate into a MS Exchange backend fairly easy, maybe not as seamlessly as a Groupware server but I've rolled it out to 300+ desktops several times using Exchange without to much headache.
As for the scripting comment what admin in his right mind allows his Windows users to do anything but plain text only e-mailing? It's to bad Novell has no plans on releasing Evolution on Windows as it would stop this line of of stupid questions.
Yup until Novell throws real development time behind porting Evolution to Windows (fat chance) 80% of the SMB's (Small-to-Medium Businesses) will have to stay with Outlook for Calendering. And a smaller portion will always be stuck with Excel due to heavy VBA development.
That's what's killing OOo adoption, that and the huge FUD campaign MS has been waging in the Windows only IT groups for the last decade.
That was my point, I wasn't trying to imply that your average/.'er was recommending the brand. It's the Wal-Mart/Best Buy/Circuit City store clerks that thinks they are an expert.
There's a simple fix to the Lexmark issue. Quit buying the brand, quit recommending the brand, quit supporting the brand. Most people buy computer hardware based on two things.
1.) It's what there favorite computer "expert" recommends
2.) It's what Wal-Mart has.
There's no hope for the second group but if enough IT people/groups stop buying the brand they loose. I haven't recommended Lexmark for along time and I've made sure the company I work for doesn't ether which also has the effect that none of the non-IT employee's buy them ether.
See my follow up reply to this thread. Linux Certified http://www.linuxcertified.com/ can match those specs easily but normally ranges in the $1k to $1,300 prices though they run sales all the time that are sub $1k.
As I said before another option is to do what I did. I picked up a certified refurbished iBook at http://store.apple.com/ for $800. It's a G4 1.2GHz 512MB PPC machine. I installed Yellow Dog and recently Ubuntu for PPC on it without problems.
Both solutions are MS tax free, but required a bit of shopping around to find.
There are lots of good Linux laptops on the market you just have to do a bit of searching to find them instead of taking the easy way out by buying an overpriced Dell or HP WinXP machine.
If you want a sub $1k you'll have to be a bit more creative, I went with a used iBook that I installed YelloDog on. I've recently installed Ubuntu for PPC on it with no problems.
The Acer TravelMate 2300 notebook has been reviewed on/. and NewsForge several times as a very nice $700 machine.
Ubuntu is the way to go for a painless install and forget installation. While it lacks a lot in customibilty during install it makes up for it in ease of use, if someone has installed Win95/98 they can install Ubuntu.
While I use NLD (Novell Linux Desktop) for my main workstation at home I have two small (PIII 500's with 128meg) machines running Ubuntu for testing/thrashing new software. It's easy enough to format and reinstall the OS if I screw something up unlike the three to five CD's needed for any of the major flavors.
Exactly, the easy fix is to *not* buy a Dell or HP machine. There are plenty of alternatives on the market that sells Linux machines if your to lazy or lack the skills necessary to build your own workstation.
The fastest way to change this policy is to vote with your pocket book.
Yes exactly! Sorry for the ramble it was a long boring day at work. You hit it right on the head, I can't see the Thunderbird team ever incorporating Lighting back into the main project.
Thunderbird seems to be marketed as an Outlook Express replacement for home users on the Windows Platform not as an Outlook replacement for the Windows Enterprise platform which is what confuses me about Oracles choice in e-mail clients.
Evolution would be a better choice in my opinion due to it already having allot of the features they will need for the Enterprise which Thunderbird doesn't have presently. The only reason I can think of is it's now "Novell's" product and there is some bad blood there.
Very true but Thunderbird is never going to be a fully functional Groupware client like Evolution is. Evolution has a built in calendar and it can auto-sync with Exchange and any *Nix e-mail server.
As a side note I'm having a hard time understanding why ClamAV/Win + Thunderbird hasn't created a pop3/smtp hook like it (ClamWin) has for Outlook yet. I'd much rather recommend ClamWin to newbie's instead of AVG but until they get e-mail support for Thunderbird I can't change my recommendation since I'm pushing Firebird and Thunderbird for Windows users.
Yes someone is working on a generic pop3 hook for ClamWin but it's lame plus it can't handle smtp.
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yea becouse I'd believe anything coming out of Iran ... not. /. is really stretching here.
Yea demeaning others is the correct way to get anyone to read your irrelevant and wrong opinion.
"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"
~ hillary clinton
It's a insurance racket. the money you pay monthly to them goes in the pot and "if" someone gets screwed they pay out $1million dollars but just like any insurance company there are stipulations on there love.
In the end they make more than they payout so yes it's lucrative with nearly every online and radio talk host hawking there product.
Nope, this is the dumbest straw man I've seen all week and that's saying something even for /.
This Hostess company is not the old one that went bankrupt and was completely liquidated with a complete loss of jobs.
This Hostess is brand new with new Sr. staff and all new employee's so it's a net+ to the economy unlike the old company.
"Take the smartest most adept computer engineer in the world, put him/her out in the woods with a set of clothes, a tent, and a pocket knife. Call me when he returns with a functioning computer."
That call would never come, he'd be dead in a couple of days since it's his first trip away from mom's basement.
~
The "metalurgical expet" (??) would have died as well since they have never worked in the construction field and would not know what to do without the grunt labor.
You've never worked for a local county (US) government facility have you? They all run AS/400's and have four to six programmers. The only requirement to be a programmer is that you have a college degree and know someone that works there. Most of them are females with art degree's with little to no programming background/experience. Every once in awhile you will see a 'real' programmer burn out show up for a few years and they are *GODS* at fixing there cobbled together sh!t. There allowed to act however they want as management knows as soon as they de-burn-out(?) they will leave for better paying jobs.
That's why they have the online store where you can check off the monthly selections fairly easy.
SFBC is a great buy yes you have to pay shipping (duh) but after you buy your five at regular price around $20 dollars you start getting 50% off specials which will net you hardbacks in the $12 to $15 dollar range. And when I say hardbacks I mean special print runs. Most of the time they not only re-print the books in there own hardbacks but they get new artwork for the older out of print titles. I tend to buy books from them first and then what I can't find (usually brand new titles) through them I go to Amazon or B&N.
10k books does not always equate to quality reading. Part of the reason you join a book club whether on line or in person is to get recommendations for books you might not normally read from people you semi-trust.
It must be rocket science since your not getting the point. If he was as poorly read as your thinking then the library would be a good starting point. But for me I've donated 90% of all the sci-fi/fantasy at my local library so what good does that do for me? I am a member of the sfbc.com and the Beyond_Reality yahoo group which is a great starting point to finding better reading material instead of just "more" material.
How's that different from Win2K and WinXP? Same thing happened then. Microsoft's monopoly isn't on good software it's there ability to tie up all the major hardware vendors into all or nothing licenses to push Windows on new computer sales. It must be another slow news day.
I disabled Flashblock on my work computer and only have Adblock/Filterset.G installed and I didn't see the ads ether.
That's what happens when you do not have the foresight or skill to upgrade from
an older version of Netware. I've run large scale Netware 5.5 and 6.0 operations
with 30k+ workstations without needing help from Novel or having "memory
management" issues.
NetAdmin has always made MS AD look like the short bus stepson of the networking
industry. I just can't take anyone serious that says they are looking at MS
products after taking the time to work with and *learn* any of the Unix platforms.
I am actively moving to the Suse platform but it's not because Netware sucks, it's
because it will no longer be supported.
"Compared to the other email solutions I've seen and used, Outlook is immensely powerful.
The calendar function is like none other, and Outlook 2003's junkmail handling and security is very good IMO; I especially like the fact that it will not display images and scripting within an email unless the address/domain is whitelisted."
You're obviously a Windows only user as Evolution beats the hell out of Outlook 2003 for security and it's calendar is as good if not better. Plus it does integrate into a MS Exchange backend fairly easy, maybe not as seamlessly as a Groupware server but I've rolled it out to 300+ desktops several times
using Exchange without to much headache.
As for the scripting comment what admin in his right mind allows his Windows users to do anything but plain text only e-mailing? It's to bad Novell has no plans on releasing Evolution on Windows as it would stop this line of of stupid questions.
Yup until Novell throws real development time behind porting Evolution to Windows (fat chance)
80% of the SMB's (Small-to-Medium Businesses) will have to stay with Outlook for Calendering.
And a smaller portion will always be stuck with Excel due to heavy VBA development.
That's what's killing OOo adoption, that and the huge FUD campaign MS has been waging in the
Windows only IT groups for the last decade.
That was my point, I wasn't trying to imply that your average /.'er was recommending the brand.
It's the Wal-Mart/Best Buy/Circuit City store clerks that thinks they are an expert.
There's a simple fix to the Lexmark issue. Quit buying the brand, quit recommending the brand,
quit supporting the brand. Most people buy computer hardware based on two things.
1.) It's what there favorite computer "expert" recommends
2.) It's what Wal-Mart has.
There's no hope for the second group but if enough IT people/groups stop buying the brand
they loose. I haven't recommended Lexmark for along time and I've made sure the
company I work for doesn't ether which also has the effect that none of the non-IT
employee's buy them ether.
See my follow up reply to this thread. Linux Certified http://www.linuxcertified.com/ can match those specs easily but normally ranges in the $1k to $1,300 prices though they run sales all the time that are sub $1k.
As I said before another option is to do what I did. I picked up a certified refurbished iBook at http://store.apple.com/ for $800. It's a G4 1.2GHz 512MB PPC machine. I installed Yellow Dog and recently Ubuntu for PPC on it without problems.
Both solutions are MS tax free, but required a bit of shopping around to find.
There are lots of good Linux laptops on the market you just have to do a bit of searching
/. and NewsForge several
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to find them instead of taking the easy way out by buying an overpriced Dell or HP
WinXP machine.
Have you looked at:
http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.powernotebooks.com/
If you want a sub $1k you'll have to be a bit more creative, I went with a used iBook that I
installed YelloDog on. I've recently installed Ubuntu for PPC on it with no problems.
The Acer TravelMate 2300 notebook has been reviewed on
times as a very nice $700 machine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N8
Ubuntu is the way to go for a painless install
and forget installation. While it lacks a lot in
customibilty during install it makes up for it in
ease of use, if someone has installed Win95/98
they can install Ubuntu.
While I use NLD (Novell Linux Desktop) for my
main workstation at home I have two small (PIII
500's with 128meg) machines running Ubuntu for
testing/thrashing new software. It's easy enough
to format and reinstall the OS if I screw
something up unlike the three to five CD's
needed for any of the major flavors.
Exactly, the easy fix is to *not* buy a Dell or HP
machine. There are plenty of alternatives on the
market that sells Linux machines if your to lazy
or lack the skills necessary to build your own
workstation.
The fastest way to change this policy is to vote
with your pocket book.
Nice to see the moderaters are on top of all things ;)
tech. This was from last year
Yes exactly! Sorry for the ramble it was a long
boring day at work. You hit it right on the head,
I can't see the Thunderbird team ever incorporating
Lighting back into the main project.
Thunderbird seems to be marketed as an Outlook
Express replacement for home users on the Windows
Platform not as an Outlook replacement for the
Windows Enterprise platform which is what confuses
me about Oracles choice in e-mail clients.
Evolution would be a better choice in my opinion due
to it already having allot of the features they will
need for the Enterprise which Thunderbird doesn't have
presently. The only reason I can think of is it's
now "Novell's" product and there is some bad blood
there.
- Brad
Very true but Thunderbird is never going to be a
fully functional Groupware client like Evolution
is. Evolution has a built in calendar and it can
auto-sync with Exchange and any *Nix e-mail
server.
As a side note I'm having a hard time
understanding why ClamAV/Win + Thunderbird
hasn't created a pop3/smtp hook like it (ClamWin)
has for Outlook yet. I'd much rather recommend
ClamWin to newbie's instead of AVG but until
they get e-mail support for Thunderbird I can't
change my recommendation since I'm pushing
Firebird and Thunderbird for Windows users.
Yes someone is working on a generic pop3 hook
for ClamWin but it's lame plus it can't handle smtp.
- Brad