only written a little bit of Ruby (nice language BTW), nobody ever offered me a job writing it:)
i understand where you are coming from in your example, but still disagree that that's the way it should have been done. allow me to expand on your example.
$arr = array();
array_push($arr, 42);
can also be done like this as long as _everything_ isn't an object.
$arr[] = 42;
which couldn't be done if it was all switched to OO, which is why i prefer having OO avaialable instead of necessary. now i can still use the built-in functions like array_push() and array_pop() without _having_ to make an object to use them.
i like the syntax of your second example and could deal with writing code like that (still prefer to have it be an option in PHP). i hate that last example you gave and would have to be paid highly before i would use a language with such syntax. but i would do it for the right money:)
you said:
"I'm asking if it makes sense, in general, for web applications, where class definitions and object instantiations and initializations are done to handle a single HTTP request."
yes or no depending on how you look at it:)
lots of times it doesn't boil down to a single HTTP request. there are lots of web applications that span multiple pages (HTTP requests) and use the $_SESSION for persistence.
i don't think that PHP 5 is really emphasizing OO as much as making sure it's apparent to everyone. after all, it is the "big new thing" for this release. try and imagine huge complex "web applications" instead of one or two page form submissions scripts and OO becomes as useful as it is in any other language.
if you don't like OO you just don't like it (not saying you don't) but the fact that PHP is used mainly as a web language should have no impact on rather or not OO is used (correctly).
you said:
"They would have been better off delaying the final release of PHP5 a year or two and just going through and converting the entire library to an OO model. That would be a step in the right direction."
i think that would have made it Java or C#, both of which are really nice languages, but a scripting language shouldn't _have_ to be OO, just have the ability to do it if you want. i like the way it stands now, OO if you want it, or just straight-forward procedural scripting if you want it like that.
i much prefer being able to do:
echo "testing line";
as opposed to _having_ to type:
System.Console.WriteLine("testing line");
i think the all-or-none approach to OO belongs in another language.
Just looked in the man pages (cause i'm not a real Unix developer) and none of those programs (sed, awk, grep) have any kind of network connection. So add to database access any type of networking...
Jabber isn't a client, it's a protocol. So i'm not sure what client you're using it at work, but it's not Jabber. i use Gaim for Jabber, here at work where everything is Windows or Linux.
Gaim doesn't support all the features of Jabber, if you're a windows user Exodus is really one of the best clients (MHO).
not disagreeing with you here, but it's not as if that fact should come as much of a surprise. the second sentence of the first paragraph after the heading reads,
"This particular demo does not work in the Mozilla Browser, but I know of no reason one could not be created."
so i don't know if the line you pointed out is in fact the culprit, but it's surely something Firefox specific somewhere.
running Fedora Core 2, gnome-cd wouldn't play it and grip couldn't rip it. though XMMS played it just fine using the CD Audio Player 1.2.10 [libcaudio.so], and XMMS does have a Disk Writer Plugin sooooo i think that's pretty much copy-protection broken with no new software needed.
wow, i don't really think that you could be farther from the truth......you with the mod points, how did you let this shit happen?
IE has hooks into the OS, no other browser has that, even if more widespread use revealed more flaws, they still wouldn't get you _entire_ box owned by some BugTraq trolling script kiddie.
what is it that you want to customize that you feel you've been "blocked" from doing? i started using fedora as soon as it was released and have never felt that way...
"The Thunder K8W showed us its eye-popping memory bandwidth potential in our recent Opteron workstation motherboard round-up, but it was only able to realize that potential with the 64-bit beta of Windows XP. Right now, there is no workstation-class version of Windows available, outside of early beta versions, that understands the non-uniform memory access (NUMA) configuration of Opteron systems, so much of the K8W's memory bandwidth goes to waste. This reality, combined with the fact that the K8W doesn't tolerate aggressive memory timings well, caused the Thunder K8W to lose out to the K8T Master2 in many of our performance tests. So I decided to go with the K8T Master2 for our purposes."
i didn't read the article, but noticed the name you posted in your comment. the last name is spelled different, but the nickname is the same, so i assume.....
Andrew "bunnie" Huang is the author of Hacking the Xbox. quite a good read.
this is my third one of these in this thread, wish people wouldn't mod bullshit up...
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Abide by the terms of the contract you signed whilst registering. Any fair-use argument here is completely laughable.
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NO, i don't have to. US Copyright Law says that if i purchase copyright-protected works that i have the Fair Use right to make a copy for myself. and no i don't mean make a copy that can be used on an approved device...i mean make myself a USABLE copy (usable on my Linux box for example).
as "laughable" as you say a Fair Use argument is....it's just not. Apple does not have the right to make a contract that breaks US Copyright Law.
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You can argue Fair Use, but they can argue that you willingly agreed to their contract, and all they are doing is enforcing it through vague laws.
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there lies the problem, Apple's contract CAN NOT override Fair Use as described in US Copyright Law. you can sign a contract with me that says i'll kill someone, that doesn't mean that i can do it and say "i'm not guilty, i have a contract.". i violated US law by killing someone. Fair Use comes before Apple's contract.
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PlayFair is dangerous - it is an assault on the security of DRM. Apple's DRM is the industry "Gold standard", it really does allow you a great deal of freedom:
that's bullshit, i don't care how much of a "Gold Standard" you think it is. things allowed by US Copyright Law are not allowed through FairPlay. Fair Use is all i want, THAT is the "Gold Standard" that all other rules should follow.
what makes you think Fedora is in its "infancy"? it's the same thing that Red Hat 9 was (plus the improvements that would have made it Red Hat 10). what about Red Hat 10 would have been an infant distro?
Try it, it's what makes PHP really nice. PHP without Smarty is almost sure to become an unmaintainable mess, especially if more than one person is working on a project. PHP + Smarty is the perfect seperation of content, presentation, and business logic.
it wasn't directly answered in the next paragraph but a read of the entire article points out that they tried what worked in other cases. that is, send a letter saying "we know you're cheating" and then settle out of court
the tried-and-true didn't work and the company refused the abide (looks like this is the first time) so they took it to court. way to go netfilter team.
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whining about the rather thorough documentation and making crass comments about my mother aren't going to get you anywhere.
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only written a little bit of Ruby (nice language BTW), nobody ever offered me a job writing it :)
:)
i understand where you are coming from in your example, but still disagree that that's the way it should have been done. allow me to expand on your example.
$arr = array();
array_push($arr, 42);
can also be done like this as long as _everything_ isn't an object.
$arr[] = 42;
which couldn't be done if it was all switched to OO, which is why i prefer having OO avaialable instead of necessary. now i can still use the built-in functions like array_push() and array_pop() without _having_ to make an object to use them.
i like the syntax of your second example and could deal with writing code like that (still prefer to have it be an option in PHP). i hate that last example you gave and would have to be paid highly before i would use a language with such syntax. but i would do it for the right money
you said:
:)
"I'm asking if it makes sense, in general, for web applications, where class definitions and object instantiations and initializations are done to handle a single HTTP request."
yes or no depending on how you look at it
lots of times it doesn't boil down to a single HTTP request. there are lots of web applications that span multiple pages (HTTP requests) and use the $_SESSION for persistence.
i don't think that PHP 5 is really emphasizing OO as much as making sure it's apparent to everyone. after all, it is the "big new thing" for this release. try and imagine huge complex "web applications" instead of one or two page form submissions scripts and OO becomes as useful as it is in any other language.
if you don't like OO you just don't like it (not saying you don't) but the fact that PHP is used mainly as a web language should have no impact on rather or not OO is used (correctly).
you said:
"They would have been better off delaying the final release of PHP5 a year or two and just going through and converting the entire library to an OO model. That would be a step in the right direction."
i think that would have made it Java or C#, both of which are really nice languages, but a scripting language shouldn't _have_ to be OO, just have the ability to do it if you want. i like the way it stands now, OO if you want it, or just straight-forward procedural scripting if you want it like that.
i much prefer being able to do:
echo "testing line";
as opposed to _having_ to type:
System.Console.WriteLine("testing line");
i think the all-or-none approach to OO belongs in another language.
Yawn...stretch...Database access.
Just looked in the man pages (cause i'm not a real Unix developer) and none of those programs (sed, awk, grep) have any kind of network connection. So add to database access any type of networking...
Jabber isn't a client, it's a protocol. So i'm not sure what client you're using it at work, but it's not Jabber. i use Gaim for Jabber, here at work where everything is Windows or Linux.
Gaim doesn't support all the features of Jabber, if you're a windows user Exodus is really one of the best clients (MHO).
... So don't invest in anything else, just stay with the perennial safe refuge of Microsoft!
i believe spell checker didn't get it because refuge is really a word, but surely you meant "..the perennial safe refuse of Microsoft!" right?
Flashblock is my favorite extension as well, but unfortunately hasn't been updated for the 0.9 change yet...
this is certainly not all you'll need, but will provide a starting point.
GCJ Eclipse
posting the article text for karma is gay...
seems about right, i was using a Plextor 48X CDR/RW drive.
running Fedora Core 2, gnome-cd wouldn't play it and grip couldn't rip it. though XMMS played it just fine using the CD Audio Player 1.2.10 [libcaudio.so], and XMMS does have a Disk Writer Plugin sooooo i think that's pretty much copy-protection broken with no new software needed.
wow, i don't really think that you could be farther from the truth......you with the mod points, how did you let this shit happen?
IE has hooks into the OS, no other browser has that, even if more widespread use revealed more flaws, they still wouldn't get you _entire_ box owned by some BugTraq trolling script kiddie.
what is it that you want to customize that you feel you've been "blocked" from doing? i started using fedora as soon as it was released and have never felt that way...
buried all the way down on page 2:
"The Thunder K8W showed us its eye-popping memory bandwidth potential in our recent Opteron workstation motherboard round-up, but it was only able to realize that potential with the 64-bit beta of Windows XP. Right now, there is no workstation-class version of Windows available, outside of early beta versions, that understands the non-uniform memory access (NUMA) configuration of Opteron systems, so much of the K8W's memory bandwidth goes to waste. This reality, combined with the fact that the K8W doesn't tolerate aggressive memory timings well, caused the Thunder K8W to lose out to the K8T Master2 in many of our performance tests. So I decided to go with the K8T Master2 for our purposes."
i didn't read the article, but noticed the name you posted in your comment. the last name is spelled different, but the nickname is the same, so i assume.....
Andrew "bunnie" Huang is the author of Hacking the Xbox. quite a good read.
mostly OT, sorry.
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..just having the target in the crosshairs is enough to guarantee its destruction. Gives a new perspective to sniping.
:)
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if you've got a real sniper this is already the case.
this is my third one of these in this thread, wish people wouldn't mod bullshit up...
[quote]
Abide by the terms of the contract you signed whilst registering. Any fair-use argument here is completely laughable.
[/quote]
NO, i don't have to. US Copyright Law says that if i purchase copyright-protected works that i have the Fair Use right to make a copy for myself. and no i don't mean make a copy that can be used on an approved device...i mean make myself a USABLE copy (usable on my Linux box for example).
as "laughable" as you say a Fair Use argument is....it's just not. Apple does not have the right to make a contract that breaks US Copyright Law.
[quote]
You can argue Fair Use, but they can argue that you willingly agreed to their contract, and all they are doing is enforcing it through vague laws.
[/quote]
there lies the problem, Apple's contract CAN NOT override Fair Use as described in US Copyright Law. you can sign a contract with me that says i'll kill someone, that doesn't mean that i can do it and say "i'm not guilty, i have a contract.". i violated US law by killing someone. Fair Use comes before Apple's contract.
[quote]
PlayFair is dangerous - it is an assault on the security of DRM. Apple's DRM is the industry "Gold standard", it really does allow you a great deal of freedom:
that's bullshit, i don't care how much of a "Gold Standard" you think it is. things allowed by US Copyright Law are not allowed through FairPlay. Fair Use is all i want, THAT is the "Gold Standard" that all other rules should follow.
are you smoking crack?
what makes you think Fedora is in its "infancy"? it's the same thing that Red Hat 9 was (plus the improvements that would have made it Red Hat 10). what about Red Hat 10 would have been an infant distro?
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ADA 95
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Rather Object Oriented, right in all the places C is wrong, if it compiles you can almost be sure it's going to do what you thought it was.
I know you weren't asking for suggestions but you got one anyway.
don't bother with 911 just download Smarty.
Try it, it's what makes PHP really nice. PHP without Smarty is almost sure to become an unmaintainable mess, especially if more than one person is working on a project. PHP + Smarty is the perfect seperation of content, presentation, and business logic.
it wasn't directly answered in the next paragraph but a read of the entire article points out that they tried what worked in other cases. that is, send a letter saying "we know you're cheating" and then settle out of court
the tried-and-true didn't work and the company refused the abide (looks like this is the first time) so they took it to court. way to go netfilter team.
need help? got a problem? post a question.
whining about the rather thorough documentation and making crass comments about my mother aren't going to get you anywhere.