One thing I hated about windows was having redundant apps and resources( you MUST have IE eventhough you have another browser etc ).
I don't like having to have an entire desktop that I will not use installed on my system to use one app.
If I had time to be more of a hack Im sure I could use k3b without the entire KDE, but I just don't have that time.
XCDRoast is NOT intuitive. I actually found it easier to takes notes off of a cheatsheet for cdrecord and just parrot those commands when making a data cd.
XCDRoast is little more then wrapping a CLI in a gui as far as I am concerned.
You need to know what you are doing with cdburning...or in light of your comment maybe you need to learn xcdroast.
This is a fault of the XCDRoast design.
With K3B, Nero, and some of the gnome burners I tried you basically just choose your files and there is a "burn" menu option somewhere.
As far as I am concerned the point of XCDRoast would be avoid learning how to use it, if I have to do that I might as well just use cdrecord commands in an xterm.
Steve
I started using Linux a few years ago when I got fed up with how long it took explorer to crank up on my PII 333mhz 191mb ram, Win98 box.
I liked the KDE and even Gnome( though their interface at the time was atrocious ). However, they both performed horribly on that box, slightly worse then windows.
I started using Icewm and using CLI apps wherever it made sense.
I'm still stuck in those habits eventhough I am now running a box with P4 2.5 gigahertz chip, 500 mhz bus, 500 mg ram.
I did recently try the latest greatest KDE and GNOME.
The speed was tolerable.....the frequent lock ups and crashes in both were not.
This may have been something peculair to my distro or the way my system was set up ( is this a fact of life with these desktops? ).
Having learned to enjoy icewm with a variety of CLI and low footprint Xapps I couldn't see that Gnome or KDE did much for me.
The only thing I don't really have in icewm is a nice GUI cdburner that doesn't require knowing what I am doing ( K3B rocks ).
Some OSS projects can be pretty stubborn about giving the users what they want until they see their users dropping their application for something more spiffy.
Vis a vis the improvements in GNU Emacs inspired by the exitence of XEmacs.
On the other hand having more then one major desktop slows down progress for GNU/Linux. It wastes resources....you have two sets of developers sucking up two sets of resources spending time duplicating what the other group made.
Maybe both these hands could be combined by working out a plan to combine the GNOME and KDE people into one project?
Then they could focus on catching up with MS...and dare I say the MAC? They would competeing with them instead of each other.
I always read from the nix cognescenti that Gnome has a slight speed advantage since it is in C, since the GNU compiler is "not optimized for C++ ( what the KDE is written in ).
Is this true?
What does it mean?
If true why don't the GCC people "optimize for c++" as well?
Novel also bought Ximian. Why not beef it up and free it?
Let someone other then Redhat & Mandrake use it. Let the distros distribute it.
Its supposed to be nice.
I'm a programmer, I still love what I do, the only things that sour it for me aka make it "work" are having to interface with non-IT people about IT issues.
I suggest that Paul Allen should take a ride on a "meals on wheels" truck in any city of his choosing.
Money can buy better recieved interstellar radio static, but it can't you a sense of perspective
The negative thoughts that many/.ers have for Microsoft in general and their top men in specific, Both Gates and Allen have long been active philanthropists. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation benefits "global health and learning" (directed by Bill Gates' father).
Philantropy? What human being is benefitting from this 13.5 million?
He is paying for some people to get better reception on some static.
Gates' & Allen's "philantropy" is bullshit. After they make many people poor they make minor contributions ( in comparrisons to the funds they acquired and are sitting on ) to a few.
Its like they robbed some guy down to his skin and then gave 2-3 spare change to buy coffe.
One entry found for philanthropy.
Main Entry: philanthropy
Pronunciation: -pE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -pies
Etymology: Late Latin philanthropia, from Greek philanthrOpia, from philanthrOpos loving people, from phil- + anthrOpos human being
1 : goodwill to fellowmen; especially : active effort to promote human welfare
What else would you call having 13.5 million dollars to spare when people in your own country are going without basic necessites, education, when many worthy political causes could use funding to be heard.......not to mention all of those suffering aborad.
This guy never saw those commercials "for 70 cents a day you can keep this child alive".
The fact that he can spend that kind of money of a pursuit like this says something about how out of touch with people he is.......or how childish/selfish.
Why not donate some of the money to college funds for famlies where someone lost a job from microsoft outsourcing to India?
Eventhough the cold war is long over it looks like some people at the Kremlin still want to match the White House for irresponsible spending.
There are many worthy things for *people* sorely lacking funds in the US while Bush has had one of the biggest budget deficits of all time....AND he wants to build moon bases, missions to mars.
Not to be outdone, Putin, who can't get a flagship submarine to launch a missle during a high profile photo-op.......with Russia in *tatters* is deciding to build a reusable space capsule?
Last I heard the Russian space program was financing itself by giving joy rides to rich Americans.
No wonder Bush and Putin get along. They have no concept of basic fiscal management.
I couldn't find anything about what those percents mean.......ie how many seconds faster on what kind of hardware.
Its a step in the right direction though
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Thanks for the info.
I haven't seen any proprietary linux products done in the GTK or the QT yet.
Has anyone?
Steve
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I always here people theorize that the liscences that the GTK ( and QT ) are under will keep private comapanies from developing with these libraries.
Has anyone else noticed differently?
Many people want custom mixed CDs, are willing to pay for them, but they are not willing to pay for a high speed connection or for a huge collection of second hand CDs in order to get the individual songs they want.
"pay the costs ( after getting fired ) for migrating overseas".
Basically:
"Dear Employees: Eventhough our CEO is a billionaire, our primary stock holders millionaires we are firing you so we can pay foriegners a fraction of your salary and get more money eventhough we already have everything wealth can buy us.
If you like, you can continue to work for us by selling your home, paying to migrate around the world to a 3rd world country with a lower of standard living, applying for a job with us again, and taking a pay cut.
After the army gets out of Iraq they can enforce this cease and disist order by bombing the MS campus.
I know two front wars are dangerous, but maybe the can land a few divisions on the east coast at the same time to take out AOL and stop all of those CDs as well.
Of course, that's about driving the car, not servicing it.
Hi Anonymous Coward;
That is the point I am about to make.
The post I replied to used the word/term trouble shooting
Most people are non-mechanics, they learn to operate their cars, not troubleshoot them. They go to mechanics for that and expect the car to work out of the showroom.
In the same way people who are not computer enthusiasts know how to get along with their word processors, browsers etc. They prefer an OS that works out of the box, that doesn't force them to take time out of their lives to get some aspect of it going.
Imagine what would happen to the sales of a new model car that required engine tweaking to get it to work?
Computers are labor saving devices.......making things easier.
If computers can be made easier to use they should be.....and that is happening.
Mozilla, KDE, Gnome, Apple, MS all have caught onto this idea.
There are always things to play with for geeks, but for ordinary people who want to *use* their computers versus making a hobby out of it things are progressing.
Part of the problem is that developers, being geeks, tend to have all the latest kit. So the GNOME hackers working on their 512M / 1G 3 GHz box won't be concerned about performance, but the millions of desktop users running lower-spec machines will.
Perhaps it is time for the OSS community to set up standards for testing platforms, performance metrics etc.
For example, call anything above 5 seconds to slow for loading an application.
Another example would be picking a 500 mhz process as the std testing platform.
The numbers may vary, but with agreed upon testing and performance stds there will be no ambguiity about what needs work.
It may even circumvent the need to do work if OSS developers develop on a system like a testing platform.
What I'm concerned about is... with an OS like Windows, why would anyone need to learn to troubleshoot? They can jump from one candy handholding OS to another without going through any kind of knowledge gathering to do so. It's keeping up a culture of ignorance among computer users. That's a legacy I think will come back and bite us on the butt.
If you substituted "car" for "OS" in your paragraph above you would say that is how it should be.
My point will be the same idea.
Most people only want to use computers, not become computer enthusiasts or computer hobbyists.
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One thing I hated about windows was having redundant apps and resources( you MUST have IE eventhough you have another browser etc ). I don't like having to have an entire desktop that I will not use installed on my system to use one app. If I had time to be more of a hack Im sure I could use k3b without the entire KDE, but I just don't have that time. XCDRoast is NOT intuitive. I actually found it easier to takes notes off of a cheatsheet for cdrecord and just parrot those commands when making a data cd. XCDRoast is little more then wrapping a CLI in a gui as far as I am concerned. You need to know what you are doing with cdburning...or in light of your comment maybe you need to learn xcdroast. This is a fault of the XCDRoast design. With K3B, Nero, and some of the gnome burners I tried you basically just choose your files and there is a "burn" menu option somewhere. As far as I am concerned the point of XCDRoast would be avoid learning how to use it, if I have to do that I might as well just use cdrecord commands in an xterm. Steve
I started using Linux a few years ago when I got fed up with how long it took explorer to crank up on my PII 333mhz 191mb ram, Win98 box.
I liked the KDE and even Gnome( though their interface at the time was atrocious ). However, they both performed horribly on that box, slightly worse then windows.
I started using Icewm and using CLI apps wherever it made sense.
I'm still stuck in those habits eventhough I am now running a box with P4 2.5 gigahertz chip, 500 mhz bus, 500 mg ram.
I did recently try the latest greatest KDE and GNOME.
The speed was tolerable.....the frequent lock ups and crashes in both were not.
This may have been something peculair to my distro or the way my system was set up ( is this a fact of life with these desktops? ).
Having learned to enjoy icewm with a variety of CLI and low footprint Xapps I couldn't see that Gnome or KDE did much for me.
The only thing I don't really have in icewm is a nice GUI cdburner that doesn't require knowing what I am doing ( K3B rocks ).
Steve
Competition fosters innovation and improvement.
Some OSS projects can be pretty stubborn about giving the users what they want until they see their users dropping their application for something more spiffy.
Vis a vis the improvements in GNU Emacs inspired by the exitence of XEmacs.
On the other hand having more then one major desktop slows down progress for GNU/Linux. It wastes resources....you have two sets of developers sucking up two sets of resources spending time duplicating what the other group made.
Maybe both these hands could be combined by working out a plan to combine the GNOME and KDE people into one project?
Then they could focus on catching up with MS...and dare I say the MAC? They would competeing with them instead of each other.
Steve
I always read from the nix cognescenti that Gnome has a slight speed advantage since it is in C, since the GNU compiler is "not optimized for C++ ( what the KDE is written in ). Is this true? What does it mean? If true why don't the GCC people "optimize for c++" as well?
Novel also bought Ximian. Why not beef it up and free it? Let someone other then Redhat & Mandrake use it. Let the distros distribute it. Its supposed to be nice.
I'm a programmer, I still love what I do, the only things that sour it for me aka make it "work" are having to interface with non-IT people about IT issues.
That and job stability are my only complaints
I suggest that Paul Allen should take a ride on a "meals on wheels" truck in any city of his choosing. Money can buy better recieved interstellar radio static, but it can't you a sense of perspective
What else would you call having 13.5 million dollars to spare when people in your own country are going without basic necessites, education, when many worthy political causes could use funding to be heard.......not to mention all of those suffering aborad. This guy never saw those commercials "for 70 cents a day you can keep this child alive". The fact that he can spend that kind of money of a pursuit like this says something about how out of touch with people he is.......or how childish/selfish. Why not donate some of the money to college funds for famlies where someone lost a job from microsoft outsourcing to India?
Eventhough the cold war is long over it looks like some people at the Kremlin still want to match the White House for irresponsible spending. There are many worthy things for *people* sorely lacking funds in the US while Bush has had one of the biggest budget deficits of all time....AND he wants to build moon bases, missions to mars. Not to be outdone, Putin, who can't get a flagship submarine to launch a missle during a high profile photo-op.......with Russia in *tatters* is deciding to build a reusable space capsule? Last I heard the Russian space program was financing itself by giving joy rides to rich Americans. No wonder Bush and Putin get along. They have no concept of basic fiscal management.
Hell, I can beat Lynx's time by not even browsing the web at all.
I followed the link to the article.
I couldn't find anything about what those percents mean.......ie how many seconds faster on what kind of hardware.
Its a step in the right direction though
Thanks for the info.
I haven't seen any proprietary linux products done in the GTK or the QT yet.
Has anyone?
Steve
I always here people theorize that the liscences that the GTK ( and QT ) are under will keep private comapanies from developing with these libraries. Has anyone else noticed differently?
Some people just like to get out of the house.
If you don't want to go to bar, go shopping, or go get a meal there are not that many places to go.
( oops....forgot the library and church ).
What is left is Starbucks or other coffe houses.
Its the closest thing America has to a neibhorhood pub where you can get out of the house and just hang without being a consumer.
Steve
This is a great idea.
Many people want custom mixed CDs, are willing to pay for them, but they are not willing to pay for a high speed connection or for a huge collection of second hand CDs in order to get the individual songs they want.
Steve
I submitted this story for slashdot and got rejected
Hey, it one way to get work with all of the offshoring.
Steve
Ooops. I forgot:
"pay the costs ( after getting fired ) for migrating overseas".
Basically:
"Dear Employees: Eventhough our CEO is a billionaire, our primary stock holders millionaires we are firing you so we can pay foriegners a fraction of your salary and get more money eventhough we already have everything wealth can buy us.
If you like, you can continue to work for us by selling your home, paying to migrate around the world to a 3rd world country with a lower of standard living, applying for a job with us again, and taking a pay cut.
Looking forward to working with you!
- get fired from your job
- give up your home
- move away from your friends
- move away from your extended family
- move your family away from their family and
their friends
- move to a foriegn culture in the 3rd world
- accept a lower standard of living
- take a cut in pay
All so billionaires and millionaires can have a tiny bit more money
What a special deal!
Steve
After the army gets out of Iraq they can enforce this cease and disist order by bombing the MS campus.
I know two front wars are dangerous, but maybe the can land a few divisions on the east coast at the same time to take out AOL and stop all of those CDs as well.
That is the point I am about to make.
The post I replied to used the word/term trouble shooting
Most people are non-mechanics, they learn to operate their cars, not troubleshoot them. They go to mechanics for that and expect the car to work out of the showroom.
In the same way people who are not computer enthusiasts know how to get along with their word processors, browsers etc. They prefer an OS that works out of the box, that doesn't force them to take time out of their lives to get some aspect of it going.
Imagine what would happen to the sales of a new model car that required engine tweaking to get it to work?
Computers are labor saving devices.......making things easier.
If computers can be made easier to use they should be.....and that is happening.
Mozilla, KDE, Gnome, Apple, MS all have caught onto this idea.
There are always things to play with for geeks, but for ordinary people who want to *use* their computers versus making a hobby out of it things are progressing.
Steve
For example, call anything above 5 seconds to slow for loading an application.
Another example would be picking a 500 mhz process as the std testing platform.
The numbers may vary, but with agreed upon testing and performance stds there will be no ambguiity about what needs work.
It may even circumvent the need to do work if OSS developers develop on a system like a testing platform.
Steve
My point will be the same idea.
Most people only want to use computers, not become computer enthusiasts or computer hobbyists.
1985 is calling, they want their attitude back :)
Steve
A sign of the times.
I also like that he reviewed distros made to be friendly this year, unlike last year when he reviewed redhat.
Even 2-3 years ago when I first started using linux the advice that Redhat was the best distro for newbies was obsolete.
Additionally, I have long been into the free(of charge) and free(dom) distros so I found the review of Xandros and Lindows interesting.
Most of the people I talk to use similar distros so I never get to hear anything about Xandros or Lindows.
In a nutshell....Xandros is all that and a bag of chips and Lindows is a bit shoddy arond the edges.
Steve