LAMP, the new PERL?
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LAMP may "take over", which would be a shame because it looks like what PERL would be if it was a web language.
Like candy, it is fast and easy. Like candy, if you use it for your meals it will make you fat and rot your teeth.
LAMP looks a quick and dirty approach for sites, that is easy enough to use to be seductive which will lead to a huge base of hard to maintain code the way PERL did.
Is that a real problem? Dumb people want dumb interfaces. Smart people want smart interfaces. Give a dumb interface to a smart guy, and you obtain the Torvalds situation. Give a smart interface to a dumb guy and all you'll obtain is whining about its complexity.
I agree with the spirit of your paragraph, but I strongly object to the letter of it and I think it belies a major attitude problem which is holding OSS back.
It is not about "smart vs dumb", it is about convenience and wanting/not wanting to deal with a task someone doesn't find interesting.
Linus was making the point that he wanted his task to be convenient, not that he was intellectually incapable of doing it.
In that regard he is like almost every other user out there. The question becomes whose convenience interface people program for.
"'The worry is if you humanize them too much you cross certain boundaries,' said David Magnus, director of the Stanford Medical Center for Biomedical Ethics. 'But I don't think this research comes even close to that.'"
Is this really a worry when we are using Chimpanzees like disposable toilet tissue for research -- who much closer relatives?
For that matter, does it matter considering what we do to other people who are 100% genetically identical to humans?
I agree with the philosophy that is wrong to clutter an interface with every possible option.
It intimidates ordinary people and drives them away. It also irritates power users who do not use those options all of the time, but who have to step around them when they put in an "all of the time location".
For example, I love the KDE, but I never saw why it was necessary to have the option to add a device on my context menu for my mouse. That is something I do once in a blue moon. The context menu is for things people do all of the time.
Is there a happy medium? Can power user options be exposed and easy, while at the same time keeping them out of everyone's face on a day to day level?
I hate to say it, but I'm with the Gnomes on this one.
If it is the Gnome team's goal to have people who are not computer enthusiasts, just computer users, use Gnome then making things simple is the rational way to go.
A power user like Linus Torvalds can take care of himself.
Ordinary users who aren't interested in computers, who just want to use them, will be turned off by making things unnecessarily complex.
When is a desktop unnecessarily complex? When another existing desktop can get the same job done without forcing the user to learn or do more.
When I read Linus' emails I was struck by the irony and egalitarianisms.
Here is an OSS software authority who makes decisions about what users get, whether they like it or not, being on the receiving end of that same kind of thing.
I think that is beautiful, with no offense to Linus, or making a judgment about Gnome's goals.
I'm sure if Bill Gates wanted something in Windows, he would get it.
I think Linus is the better for knowing (rightfully or wrongfully) how that feels.
Yesterday there was an article about 10 things Google trys to do to attract good programmers.
In my experience the lack, or opposite of those 10 things can often demotivate otherwise conscientious, talented programmers from doing the best job possible.
Big companies often do that, while doing other things that interfere with software quality.
A number of people in this thread have talked about unloading their frustrations on their employers upon resignation.
I feel it is best to say nothing.
HR really wants to know why you are leaving. That kind of information justifies the existence of their jobs and I take great pleasure at denying it to them.
Nobody leaves a job "just because" and everyone knows that.
Simply saying you "just need a change" will be taken by some as the put down you may want to give, yet it doesn't burn bridges behind you ( future requests for records, letters of recommendation, etc ).
If there are significant problems with a job, the company knows it, and your coworkers know it. You have already decided to leave so unloading your frustrations on the company has nothing in it for you, except making you feel momentarily better.
What did you expect?
You're a liability. You got paid. Be happy
A bit cryptic, but that is the situation in essence.
This isn't a brand new phenomenon. That is the state of trust and gratitude in coporate America in the IT industry.
At least they let this guy back in the building. Many IT places don't even tell people when they are laid off. Those people find out when they show up for work and find themselves locked out.
This is a good idea. I often finding myself futzing with windows so I can display two emails at the same time.
Now, if you could use thunderbird to filter out a person in usenet and replies to his post without taking out the entire thread, that would be cool too.
I learned to like boxleitner when the show first ran, but this time around he seemed lack luster in the role built by/for Michael O'Hare. It seemed like many times he could not help smiling into the camera when the scene called for other emotions.
O'Hare's Sinclair had a richness and depth about him that would have made the show much more huge.
I always thought the bit about Delenn becoming half human was dumb and the show would have better if she stayed Minbari.
I still think it was one of the best shows ever, those are the only 2 things I would change if I could.
It has been a number of years since I saw the show.
A coworker gave me the entrie seris on VHS. I don't own a tv. Another friend gave me an old vcr off of a junk pile. I hooked it up to my TV card, dowloaded kdetv and I am now watching the series again.
I always liked the first commander better, but this time around I am convinced that the series would have been even better if that actor stayed. He was a much better actor than the actor who played John Sheridan. The plots just seemed to fit the first commander better and seemed like a hacked fit for the second.
I'm guess JMS was forced to make that decision.
I would love for Jeremiah to come out on DVD. I moved to a place without a television before I could see how that show turned out. The last episode I saw was when the older people invaded the military mountain with the post apocolypse adults.
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Resignation is not enough, I want prosecution
LAMP may "take over", which would be a shame because it looks like what PERL would be if it was a web language.
Like candy, it is fast and easy. Like candy, if you use it for your meals it will make you fat and rot your teeth.
LAMP looks a quick and dirty approach for sites, that is easy enough to use to be seductive which will lead to a huge base of hard to maintain code the way PERL did.
I'm sure draconian cd prices and lousy pop music have nothing to do with a decrease in sales.
Isn't it ironic that a web site about sys admin problems has given a system admin another problem by slashdotting it?
It is not about "smart vs dumb", it is about convenience and wanting/not wanting to deal with a task someone doesn't find interesting.
Linus was making the point that he wanted his task to be convenient, not that he was intellectually incapable of doing it. In that regard he is like almost every other user out there. The question becomes whose convenience interface people program for.
For that matter, does it matter considering what we do to other people who are 100% genetically identical to humans?
I agree with the philosophy that is wrong to clutter an interface with every possible option.
It intimidates ordinary people and drives them away. It also irritates power users who do not use those options all of the time, but who have to step around them when they put in an "all of the time location".
For example, I love the KDE, but I never saw why it was necessary to have the option to add a device on my context menu for my mouse. That is something I do once in a blue moon. The context menu is for things people do all of the time.
Is there a happy medium? Can power user options be exposed and easy, while at the same time keeping them out of everyone's face on a day to day level?
I hate to say it, but I'm with the Gnomes on this one.
If it is the Gnome team's goal to have people who are not computer enthusiasts, just computer users, use Gnome then making things simple is the rational way to go.
A power user like Linus Torvalds can take care of himself.
Ordinary users who aren't interested in computers, who just want to use them, will be turned off by making things unnecessarily complex.
When is a desktop unnecessarily complex? When another existing desktop can get the same job done without forcing the user to learn or do more.
When I read Linus' emails I was struck by the irony and egalitarianisms.
Here is an OSS software authority who makes decisions about what users get, whether they like it or not, being on the receiving end of that same kind of thing.
I think that is beautiful, with no offense to Linus, or making a judgment about Gnome's goals.
I'm sure if Bill Gates wanted something in Windows, he would get it.
I think Linus is the better for knowing (rightfully or wrongfully) how that feels.
Any of us can write an email to an obscure list and not have it plastered all over slashdot. Linus can't because he did all of us a massive favor.
Sorry Linus.
Americans who watch news reports about Afghanistan and who lament how backward the taliban is should keep stories like this in mind.
Most SUV drivers have not need to and never go off road.
Both HDTVs and SUVs apart from being status symbols ( a rather stupid thing ) are a complete waste of resources.
When there is something other that pure crap on television that would truly be enhanced by hdtv then I would consider it being a worthwhile purchase.
Content first, then worry about content delivery.
Yesterday there was an article about 10 things Google trys to do to attract good programmers.
In my experience the lack, or opposite of those 10 things can often demotivate otherwise conscientious, talented programmers from doing the best job possible.
Big companies often do that, while doing other things that interfere with software quality.
As with web pages, it is easier to click a tab to go back and forth between multiple emails rather then moving windows around
A number of people in this thread have talked about unloading their frustrations on their employers upon resignation.
I feel it is best to say nothing.
HR really wants to know why you are leaving. That kind of information justifies the existence of their jobs and I take great pleasure at denying it to them.
Nobody leaves a job "just because" and everyone knows that.
Simply saying you "just need a change" will be taken by some as the put down you may want to give, yet it doesn't burn bridges behind you ( future requests for records, letters of recommendation, etc ).
If there are significant problems with a job, the company knows it, and your coworkers know it. You have already decided to leave so unloading your frustrations on the company has nothing in it for you, except making you feel momentarily better.
This isn't a brand new phenomenon. That is the state of trust and gratitude in coporate America in the IT industry.
At least they let this guy back in the building. Many IT places don't even tell people when they are laid off. Those people find out when they show up for work and find themselves locked out.
This is a good idea. I often finding myself futzing with windows so I can display two emails at the same time.
Now, if you could use thunderbird to filter out a person in usenet and replies to his post without taking out the entire thread, that would be cool too.
LOL!
Ahem, "I for one welcome are new home pc security overlords"
"In soviet Russia, security software installs YOU"
In other news, the sky is blue and it has been discovered that a long line of Popes have been Catholic
Haiku on slashdot?
Rat brains, fly planes.
Geek with insomnia, hits next
That article made me think. I've worked at companies that had many of those conditions.
Eventhough I worked my buttocks off at those jobs those jobs were some of the happiest I have had and have made the best friendships at.
Even if that alliance holds, I think google will win. Microsoft had its time and that times is gone.
Um..., why not just use toll booths?
This erosion of privacy is getting ridiculous.
I learned to like boxleitner when the show first ran, but this time around he seemed lack luster in the role built by/for Michael O'Hare. It seemed like many times he could not help smiling into the camera when the scene called for other emotions.
O'Hare's Sinclair had a richness and depth about him that would have made the show much more huge.
I always thought the bit about Delenn becoming half human was dumb and the show would have better if she stayed Minbari.
I still think it was one of the best shows ever, those are the only 2 things I would change if I could.
It has been a number of years since I saw the show.
A coworker gave me the entrie seris on VHS. I don't own a tv. Another friend gave me an old vcr off of a junk pile. I hooked it up to my TV card, dowloaded kdetv and I am now watching the series again.
I always liked the first commander better, but this time around I am convinced that the series would have been even better if that actor stayed. He was a much better actor than the actor who played John Sheridan. The plots just seemed to fit the first commander better and seemed like a hacked fit for the second.
I'm guess JMS was forced to make that decision.
I would love for Jeremiah to come out on DVD. I moved to a place without a television before I could see how that show turned out. The last episode I saw was when the older people invaded the military mountain with the post apocolypse adults.