well, thanks. Been there, done that, still no sound. As for "follow the instructions" that's simply not possible as those that are there has missing steps, but i've tried just about anything i could think of.
For the curious, it's an "intel AC97 i810" - so it's widely supported, including on "more than half of the distro's i listed above". Also, i can get the system speaker to go "beep" on me, so there's obviously something working, but i just can't get the freaking external speakers to say anything at all. I did say that i've spent a few months on this didn't i?
sheesh... some of the others responding here seems to think that you'd be a total jerk if you'd ever experience a problem with linux you can't solve.
Hey, are you BS'ing me here? That was about the last thing i'd think of myself. Like, say "Q: i've got problems with my car stereo - A: Get a new engine"
If that's the answer to my problem, i'll just go and do it, but believe me, i've been reading through all kinds of forums for months and trying all kinds of sh*t to solve that problem. That problem, btw, is also the reason why i've tried a whole lot of distro's that i otherwise perhaps wouldn't have tried, so the problem did give me plenty of good experiences although i haven't solved it yet.
All in all, for the distros that i've tried (including the bsd's), i'd say: They're very similar. Same, same, only different.
sofar i've tried ubuntu, gnoppix, knoppix, suse, morphix, knoppix, slax, elearnix, dynebolic, mepis, dsl, puppy, pc linuxos, gentoo (oh, and one or two of those bsd's as well).
The moment i find one that recognizes my onboard sound i'll take it, no matter which name it's got. Untill then i'm stuck on windoze for everything that involves sound (and i do like music).
..connected schools, ie. not campuses. Did any of these even think about "distance learning" - i found a few lines of claims at the #1 mentioned, but no real information. The internet is invented by now, they even use it, so why don't they GET IT?
The character is simply not Anatomacally Correct Proportioned - a drawing class would be able to fix this problem, but unfortunately it seems that the guy making this stuff has way better technical skills than the required portrait skills.
Study more women, bring a pencil and paper, then come back. Do study real women though:)
>> it's not fast. But I blame that on the fact it >> runs everything of the CD and into memory
Then again, if you have a lot of memory, it's quite fast - otherwise the HDinstall feature is quite simple (although not mentioned in the review). If you HDinstall you'll have something like a debian distro, which will be as fast as you and your equipment allows it to be.
1) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers 2) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers 3) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers
That is a truth that is only in the early stages of emerging. Still, some people (including you) have already realized it. It made me quite happy to see that statement, as far too many spend par too much time on crossbrowser-pixelperfection and other such nonsense.
This is the next ones the design community have to face:
4) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in the same browser for different people
5) Web pages are not (supposed to be) viewed exclusively in browsers
When do they get it - content is what matters. Separate data from presentation please, and let me format my data to my own preferences myself.
This is done by some of these login based sites, although it will still p*** the user off, as, when the article is seen in the search results, they will meet the usual login stuff in stead of the content they wanted.
It's merely a case of "Betamax vs. VHS" or "history is written by the victorious part". As long as the artifacts/data are retrievable you will be able to reconstruct, but electricity is still the limit.
No it wasn't the full point, but it was an important part of it. Your comment: " your notion that it takes a lot of time to choose among different distros is just illogical"... made me elaborate that specific part.
- you claimed that there was an advantage to using Windows independent of any cost of switching.
No, in my original post, i claimed (and still claim) that the windows users are the spoiled ones, not the linux users. I also claimed (and still claim) that it takes more than rational reasons alone to make them switch. It is not to be taken as a "windows is best" post, as that was never the intention - i'm sorry if it came out that way.
I will claim, however, that windows has perceived inherent advantages to the average PC user. These advantages, in turn, are not necessarily true or specific to windows.
- Contrary to what you keep saying, many users have no rational reason to prefer Windows over Linux
I don't think that's contrary to what i'm saying. It's all about costs (in terms of time) and perceived risk. The examples given were perhaps a bit provocative, but they were not directly wrong, imho, and they gave a good discussion. Even though each example has been commented upon in this thread, the basic issues of cost/time and perceived risk (however irrational) are still the core of the matter.
So, more software (or even better software) won't do the trick, imho - bringing down these two (perceived or real) barriers are the real keys to get more people to use Linux.
As another poster suggested, RedHat (like it or not) has done a lot in this respect, and personally i think the concept of "live-CD's" also help a great deal. Your own example of OpenOffice interoperability is also pointing in the right direction. I haven't seen preconfigured Linux PC's anywhere close to where i live, but that's just a matter of time i reckon.
My personal "investment" in windows involves quite a few modifications to the way it operates out of the box. Then again, i'm not suggesting that i'm an average windows user. I maintain my point, however, that the average PC user is more "spoiled" by windows, as (s)he will not have the need to do as many modifications as me.
- For example, your notion that it takes a lot of time to choose among different distros is just illogical: it takes no more time to choose SuSE than it takes to choose Windows
It's all economics, as you must distinguish between choices that are made initially (clean PC) and choices that involve switching (pre-installed windows).
Take a look at the front page of Distrowatch. Along the right hand side, 100 distributions are listed. Then, consider windows - you have the latest flavour (possibly in a "home" and "pro" edition) and that's about it as earlier flavours are no longer supported. A choice between two flavours is (all else equal) less time consuming than a choice among hundreds. For your statement to be true, the average user should perceive windows as "yet another OS/distro", which is only the case on a "clean PC" with no existing windows OS installed.
And, moreso: This will only be true in an "all else equal situation" where the user has no experience whatsoever about any of the alternatives, as otherwise (s)he is already biased and will incur switching costs in addition to the pure choice costs.
So, by having windows experience, or a pre-installed version, the costs (in terms of time) involved in switching becomes larger than the costs involved in choosing.
- you happen to know it and it's not worth your time to switch because it works well enough for you
Oh, i know far more about windows than i should really need to, and a lot more than i would like to know, but that's another story. And although it works "well enough" for me it doesn't work "really great" for me, which is what i sometimes require, as i'm not an average user. For that reason i use Debian as well on my personal work machine, but when i'm out among customers i use their default, which is windows.
The "average joe" however, does not share my needs.
- if there was some intrinsic advantage to using Windows
The "intrinsic" advantage comes from switching costs, as well as security. Not "network security" but perceived personal security. Joe's friends use windows, and he needs somebody to turn to if things f**k up, and possibly he uses it at work too. Also, while "they" do sell preconfigured Linux machines, the mainstream outlets don't.
So, the predominant advantage to windows is the reduction of risk. Of course not the real risks, like virii etc, but the perceived personal risks, as in "i really hate to seem stupid and i also hate getting in trouble and not being able to ask my friends, or, as a last resort, the nice and friendly people at customer service".
This is of course not related to the actual inner workings of the OS, but only to the dominant market position. So, in the literal sense of "intrinsic" you are absolutely right.
To minimize these risks you have to spend time, and that time is what you invest in your OS of choice in addition to the currency. To some people, an OS isn't really the most important thing, which is why they would prefer to spend as little time speculating about it as possible - they'd rather worry about what graphics card or sound card they should buy in order to play those games, watch that pr0n, or listen to that music. Oh yeah, and then it would be nice if you could get the box in blue to match their decor.
I hope this cleared up possible misunderstandings.
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well, thanks. Been there, done that, still no sound. As for "follow the instructions" that's simply not possible as those that are there has missing steps, but i've tried just about anything i could think of.
For the curious, it's an "intel AC97 i810" - so it's widely supported, including on "more than half of the distro's i listed above". Also, i can get the system speaker to go "beep" on me, so there's obviously something working, but i just can't get the freaking external speakers to say anything at all. I did say that i've spent a few months on this didn't i?
sheesh... some of the others responding here seems to think that you'd be a total jerk if you'd ever experience a problem with linux you can't solve.
Well, back on topic...
Hey, are you BS'ing me here? That was about the last thing i'd think of myself. Like, say "Q: i've got problems with my car stereo - A: Get a new engine"
If that's the answer to my problem, i'll just go and do it, but believe me, i've been reading through all kinds of forums for months and trying all kinds of sh*t to solve that problem. That problem, btw, is also the reason why i've tried a whole lot of distro's that i otherwise perhaps wouldn't have tried, so the problem did give me plenty of good experiences although i haven't solved it yet.
All in all, for the distros that i've tried (including the bsd's), i'd say: They're very similar. Same, same, only different.
sofar i've tried ubuntu, gnoppix, knoppix, suse, morphix, knoppix, slax, elearnix, dynebolic, mepis, dsl, puppy, pc linuxos, gentoo (oh, and one or two of those bsd's as well).
The moment i find one that recognizes my onboard sound i'll take it, no matter which name it's got. Untill then i'm stuck on windoze for everything that involves sound (and i do like music).
...why the #&%! should we even bother to look at that site anyway? Dontcha think we've had enough of that guy already?
...sorry about that, i guess they don't want that kind of spelling on their nonexistant virtual campuses anyway...
..connected schools, ie. not campuses. Did any of these even think about "distance learning" - i found a few lines of claims at the #1 mentioned, but no real information. The internet is invented by now, they even use it, so why don't they GET IT?
/me runs off to remove games from /. display prefs
ah.. got it ...click the button > click allow > install
..hmm.. alpha.. tester more :)
You've now got one beta
"To protect your computer, firefox prevented this site from installing software on your computer"
duh... how is it you turn this off, again?
>> Anatomacally Correct Proportioned
Anatomically, even. Still, study lots of real women, i can only emphasize this advice.
The character is simply not Anatomacally Correct Proportioned - a drawing class would be able to fix this problem, but unfortunately it seems that the guy making this stuff has way better technical skills than the required portrait skills.
:)
Study more women, bring a pencil and paper, then come back. Do study real women though
Where can i BUY that stuff? Right Now!
*me wantssssss it*
>> it's not fast. But I blame that on the fact it
>> runs everything of the CD and into memory
Then again, if you have a lot of memory, it's quite fast - otherwise the HDinstall feature is quite simple (although not mentioned in the review). If you HDinstall you'll have something like a debian distro, which will be as fast as you and your equipment allows it to be.
1) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers
2) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers
3) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in all browsers
That is a truth that is only in the early stages of emerging. Still, some people (including you) have already realized it. It made me quite happy to see that statement, as far too many spend par too much time on crossbrowser-pixelperfection and other such nonsense.
This is the next ones the design community have to face:
4) Web pages are not supposed to look the same in the same browser for different people
5) Web pages are not (supposed to be) viewed exclusively in browsers
When do they get it - content is what matters. Separate data from presentation please, and let me format my data to my own preferences myself.
IMHO, The Times still is ;-)
uhm.. they might already be doing that, or at least this search makes one wonder...
(yes, i know that UA strings can be faked)
Also, they could just have bought one
It's merely a case of "Betamax vs. VHS" or "history is written by the victorious part". As long as the artifacts/data are retrievable you will be able to reconstruct, but electricity is still the limit.
The point that the author makes here is really that without electricity we will lose great parts of recent history.
Please don't even think the Wash Times are anything like a neutral news media
Basically they establish some advanced internet based thingy that will allow you and everyone else (but not their dogs) to state:
1) How many stocks you wish to buy
2) At which price you wish to buy that amount
So, the average Joe might get in on it, at least that was the general idea behind all this fancy internet-auction stuff.
This is a misconception, at least on the projects i've been involved with. Designers design, they don't code.
Coders code, and if anyone still code for IE only it's the coders that do it, not the designers.
Photoshop just isn't a very good tool for creating HTML. Moreso, i believe jpg, gif and png are cross browser compatible.
Amorphophallus Titanum 2004 Daily Progress
No it wasn't the full point, but it was an important part of it. Your comment: " your notion that it takes a lot of time to choose among different distros is just illogical" ... made me elaborate that specific part.
- you claimed that there was an advantage to using Windows independent of any cost of switching.
No, in my original post, i claimed (and still claim) that the windows users are the spoiled ones, not the linux users. I also claimed (and still claim) that it takes more than rational reasons alone to make them switch. It is not to be taken as a "windows is best" post, as that was never the intention - i'm sorry if it came out that way.
I will claim, however, that windows has perceived inherent advantages to the average PC user. These advantages, in turn, are not necessarily true or specific to windows.
- Contrary to what you keep saying, many users have no rational reason to prefer Windows over Linux
I don't think that's contrary to what i'm saying. It's all about costs (in terms of time) and perceived risk. The examples given were perhaps a bit provocative, but they were not directly wrong, imho, and they gave a good discussion. Even though each example has been commented upon in this thread, the basic issues of cost/time and perceived risk (however irrational) are still the core of the matter.
So, more software (or even better software) won't do the trick, imho - bringing down these two (perceived or real) barriers are the real keys to get more people to use Linux.
As another poster suggested, RedHat (like it or not) has done a lot in this respect, and personally i think the concept of "live-CD's" also help a great deal. Your own example of OpenOffice interoperability is also pointing in the right direction. I haven't seen preconfigured Linux PC's anywhere close to where i live, but that's just a matter of time i reckon.
My personal "investment" in windows involves quite a few modifications to the way it operates out of the box. Then again, i'm not suggesting that i'm an average windows user. I maintain my point, however, that the average PC user is more "spoiled" by windows, as (s)he will not have the need to do as many modifications as me.
- For example, your notion that it takes a lot of time to choose among different distros is just illogical: it takes no more time to choose SuSE than it takes to choose Windows
It's all economics, as you must distinguish between choices that are made initially (clean PC) and choices that involve switching (pre-installed windows).
Take a look at the front page of Distrowatch. Along the right hand side, 100 distributions are listed. Then, consider windows - you have the latest flavour (possibly in a "home" and "pro" edition) and that's about it as earlier flavours are no longer supported. A choice between two flavours is (all else equal) less time consuming than a choice among hundreds. For your statement to be true, the average user should perceive windows as "yet another OS/distro", which is only the case on a "clean PC" with no existing windows OS installed.
And, moreso: This will only be true in an "all else equal situation" where the user has no experience whatsoever about any of the alternatives, as otherwise (s)he is already biased and will incur switching costs in addition to the pure choice costs.
So, by having windows experience, or a pre-installed version, the costs (in terms of time) involved in switching becomes larger than the costs involved in choosing.
- you happen to know it and it's not worth your time to switch because it works well enough for you
Oh, i know far more about windows than i should really need to, and a lot more than i would like to know, but that's another story. And although it works "well enough" for me it doesn't work "really great" for me, which is what i sometimes require, as i'm not an average user. For that reason i use Debian as well on my personal work machine, but when i'm out among customers i use their default, which is windows.
The "average joe" however, does not share my needs.
- if there was some intrinsic advantage to using Windows
The "intrinsic" advantage comes from switching costs, as well as security. Not "network security" but perceived personal security. Joe's friends use windows, and he needs somebody to turn to if things f**k up, and possibly he uses it at work too. Also, while "they" do sell preconfigured Linux machines, the mainstream outlets don't.
So, the predominant advantage to windows is the reduction of risk. Of course not the real risks, like virii etc, but the perceived personal risks, as in "i really hate to seem stupid and i also hate getting in trouble and not being able to ask my friends, or, as a last resort, the nice and friendly people at customer service".
This is of course not related to the actual inner workings of the OS, but only to the dominant market position. So, in the literal sense of "intrinsic" you are absolutely right.
To minimize these risks you have to spend time, and that time is what you invest in your OS of choice in addition to the currency. To some people, an OS isn't really the most important thing, which is why they would prefer to spend as little time speculating about it as possible - they'd rather worry about what graphics card or sound card they should buy in order to play those games, watch that pr0n, or listen to that music. Oh yeah, and then it would be nice if you could get the box in blue to match their decor.
I hope this cleared up possible misunderstandings.