Great Ceaser's ghost! This is a totally bizarre comment. Yikes. Go to www.twu-canada.ca.
Wow, I am sure the TWU would get a chuckle out of this.
TWU-Canada may be many things but it is NOT a puppet union.
Yup. Absolutely true. Kneejerk reactionary with typical result. It is interesting that TELUS did not react to the CEO being portrayed as Hitler or to veiled threats to executives, but acted swiftly when people who do the day to day work started being targeted. Still not the correct tactics from either an ethical or a labour/public relations point of view.
Like I said -- I don't agree with the TELUS action. Personally, I think they would have been better off to spider the site, archive the content and then take the site owners to court to get their logs if/when vandalism or violence related to the strike occurs.
There has been a huge amount of demonization in the discussion forums (intolerance of dissention coupled with dehumanizing comments) which is classically a precursor to allowing violence against others. ie: they aren't really human therefore the usual social constraints don't apply.
BTW TELUS has an abuse process which could end up in blocking access to sites. Usually it is only invoked for DoS, phishing, and other clear threats. They have blocked or turned down sites hosted on their own services which have had complaints against them (ie for clear legal violations) or which have been generating traffic beyond what is paid for. I doubt that they would block access to a site in a similar but unrelated situation without a court-order.
BTW: comments here about VFC discussions being mild and innocent are disingenuous or made by those have not followed the discussions. The site used to encourage reasoned discussion but all of that is out the window.
OK --- TELUS has blackholed VFC and I don't agree with it but let us be accurate.
The union web site www.twu-canada.ca is NOT blocked.
The totally unsanctioned site www.voices-for-change.com is blackholed. You can get to it quite easily using a proxy such as guardster. On VFC there are numerous comments promoting physical violence and doing the "nod-nod wink-wink" with respect to vandalism. They are also acting as a kangaroo-court for union members who do not follow the line prescribed by union militants. This is not a black and white issue of intolerance and censorship.
TELUS still should not block it but I would not condemn them for their actions. The union has done nothing to curb extreme comments and has to some degree encouraged them. When it comes to information Caveat Emptor.
FWIW: I was told by someone who should know that the tape manufacturers have set a common goal to keep the cost of data on tape at 1/10 of data on disk.
Wellll.... the music industry took the ISPs to court, that's why it had to be decided on. There is a difference of opinion; ya can't settle things; you go to court. Things finally ended up at the SC. The SC could have just said they wouldn't hear the case but this is better. There is a definitive ruling.
My work life is predicated on all the motherhood issues of performance, sizing, architecture, availability, scalability, maintainability, operability etc. These certainly are not just meaningless buzz words, although they might seem that way to a poser.
I haven't read the other responses yet but I imagine that a number of people won't understand or agree with what you are saying. By painful experience, I am very sympathetic to your position.
ADHD categorization is often misapplied and confused with other syndromes such as Asperger's or NLD, often because it is a diagnosis of convenience requiring the application of drugs and little other support. Sensory integration therapy and diet, which can be much more effective than Ritalin, are ignored. My growing belief, through experience, is that no one is ADHD... they are just misdiagnosed. In any event, I think that a lot of things are common between ADHD, Asperger's, NLD and other "disorders".
That said, Dr. Attwood (Tony Attwood) makes the point that Asperger's kids do not have any "problem" when by themselves. The problems occur mainly when they interact with "neural typicals". Well, it takes two to tango! I guess that means neural typicals really have a problem communicating with folk in the autistic spectrum (and perhaps should be drugged so they cause less problems!).
I have heard that Temple Grandin (famous Aspie) has commented that if we were ALL neural typicals, we would still be back in caves, in the dark and cold, having nice quiet social conversations with each other. Technological advances are often made by odd, quirky, brilliant but "misfit" folk who in retrospect probably fall into one of these "disorder" categories.
The advantage to humanity of having a population percentage fall into the ADHD/Aspie arena seems clear; they enhance our overall survivability.
Just to set the record straight: in Canada, DSL prices are not regulated by the government. The low pricing is due to fierce head-to-head competition between providers, mainly ILEC vs Cable Co.
I believe TELUS (Alberta) was first on the block in North America to deploy DSL... and they have been playing catchup with Shaw ever since.
Cheers
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Great Ceaser's ghost! This is a totally bizarre comment. Yikes. Go to www.twu-canada.ca. Wow, I am sure the TWU would get a chuckle out of this. TWU-Canada may be many things but it is NOT a puppet union.
Yup. Absolutely true. Kneejerk reactionary with typical result. It is interesting that TELUS did not react to the CEO being portrayed as Hitler or to veiled threats to executives, but acted swiftly when people who do the day to day work started being targeted. Still not the correct tactics from either an ethical or a labour/public relations point of view.
Like I said -- I don't agree with the TELUS action. Personally, I think they would have been better off to spider the site, archive the content and then take the site owners to court to get their logs if/when vandalism or violence related to the strike occurs.
There has been a huge amount of demonization in the discussion forums (intolerance of dissention coupled with dehumanizing comments) which is classically a precursor to allowing violence against others. ie: they aren't really human therefore the usual social constraints don't apply.
BTW TELUS has an abuse process which could end up in blocking access to sites. Usually it is only invoked for DoS, phishing, and other clear threats. They have blocked or turned down sites hosted on their own services which have had complaints against them (ie for clear legal violations) or which have been generating traffic beyond what is paid for. I doubt that they would block access to a site in a similar but unrelated situation without a court-order.
BTW: comments here about VFC discussions being mild and innocent are disingenuous or made by those have not followed the discussions. The site used to encourage reasoned discussion but all of that is out the window.
OK --- TELUS has blackholed VFC and I don't agree with it but let us be accurate.
The union web site www.twu-canada.ca is NOT blocked.
The totally unsanctioned site www.voices-for-change.com is blackholed. You can get to it quite easily using a proxy such as guardster. On VFC there are numerous comments promoting physical violence and doing the "nod-nod wink-wink" with respect to vandalism. They are also acting as a kangaroo-court for union members who do not follow the line prescribed by union militants. This is not a black and white issue of intolerance and censorship.
TELUS still should not block it but I would not condemn them for their actions. The union has done nothing to curb extreme comments and has to some degree encouraged them. When it comes to information Caveat Emptor.
At least according to the creationist museum.
FWIW: I was told by someone who should know that the tape manufacturers have set a common goal to keep the cost of data on tape at 1/10 of data on disk.
Anyone else heard this?
Wellll.... the music industry took the ISPs to court, that's why it had to be decided on. There is a difference of opinion; ya can't settle things; you go to court. Things finally ended up at the SC. The SC could have just said they wouldn't hear the case but this is better. There is a definitive ruling.
Yeah, no poop.
My work life is predicated on all the motherhood issues of performance, sizing, architecture, availability, scalability, maintainability, operability etc. These certainly are not just meaningless buzz words, although they might seem that way to a poser.
This guy is really judgemental. Sheesh.
I haven't read the other responses yet but I imagine that a number of people won't understand or agree with what you are saying. By painful experience, I am very sympathetic to your position.
ADHD categorization is often misapplied and confused with other syndromes such as Asperger's or NLD, often because it is a diagnosis of convenience requiring the application of drugs and little other support. Sensory integration therapy and diet, which can be much more effective than Ritalin, are ignored. My growing belief, through experience, is that no one is ADHD... they are just misdiagnosed. In any event, I think that a lot of things are common between ADHD, Asperger's, NLD and other "disorders".
That said, Dr. Attwood (Tony Attwood) makes the point that Asperger's kids do not have any "problem" when by themselves. The problems occur mainly when they interact with "neural typicals". Well, it takes two to tango! I guess that means neural typicals really have a problem communicating with folk in the autistic spectrum (and perhaps should be drugged so they cause less problems!).
I have heard that Temple Grandin (famous Aspie) has commented that if we were ALL neural typicals, we would still be back in caves, in the dark and cold, having nice quiet social conversations with each other. Technological advances are often made by odd, quirky, brilliant but "misfit" folk who in retrospect probably fall into one of these "disorder" categories.
The advantage to humanity of having a population percentage fall into the ADHD/Aspie arena seems clear; they enhance our overall survivability.
Just to set the record straight: in Canada, DSL prices are not regulated by the government. The low pricing is due to fierce head-to-head competition between providers, mainly ILEC vs Cable Co. I believe TELUS (Alberta) was first on the block in North America to deploy DSL... and they have been playing catchup with Shaw ever since. Cheers