To some extent what you say is true. But as 3d character animator... I can with out a doubt say Humans are harder to animate:)
And the reason is... Your point:) ANYTHING off, looks off. that includes skin sliding, muscle movement, skin tranlucency, skin texture, material, reflections, hair on the head and the body... Walk animations, any movement around the eyes where eye movement affects the skin and muscles around it so gently.
There is just so much to do when animating a human. If we're talking about the absolutely perfect ideal animated human... then we're talking about levels of detail like no other... Because of the very reason you point out.
So animating them is much harder... because people will notice the difference.
Animation is hard no matter what. A slight change of anything can evoke a mood or attitude that you dont want.
Animating humans IS HARD. In animation you judge the level of difficulty by what you can get away with... This is true. But animating a 3d snoopy, vs animating a 3d realistic human is so much harder because of the level of refinement, detail and what you can and cant get away with.
Snoopy can spin his ears like a helicopter and no one will question it.
When animating a human... If the ears dont move just right when they're required too... Does the character evoke a supid emotion? A state of dumbness? Shock? horror, cartoony? A human can go so wrong so easily when animating one.
Chuck Jones is considered one of the worlds BEST animation directors/animators...
He never animated a realistic 3d human... Could he have? Not without an army.
Its not a question of skill... its a question of detail and the work load.
Here's the thing... I dont give a shit about the economic balance between the developed and underdeveloped countries.
I care about my job, my family, my food.
Now i wish everyone the best... And that we treat people fairly...
But until Money is banished from the planet, i simply care about myself more than you in a competitive market.
The only thing balancing out the economies accomplishes is... OUR WEALTH.. BECOMING THEIR PROFIT.
Then its balanced.
I say rid the planet of money all together... but til then we're fucked and need to watch out for number 1, before we care about number 2.
I'm not for EXPLOITING workers in any country. I'm simply talking about our country feeling that its good to employ the poor in other countries rather than here... because its profitable.
If thats the case... MOVE IT ALL out of the country.. Every thing.. Because its ALL FUCKING CHEAPER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
This is the usual marxian regurgitation and one that doesn't take into account that the "workers" negotiate the exchange in value for delivering whatever skill or experience that has a value to "the rich".
The workers negotiate? Do you work in the animation industry or know ANYTHING about it? (I happen to)
You dont "negotiate" You get what you're given because there's another animator applying for the same dam job, and hes just as expendable.
Do you know that AFTER major productions, studios fire nearly all of their animation staff? Even the studios that go right into another production?
While realizing the basic truth in that, what you obviously crave is the circumstance in which some elitist, unnamed, monolithic entity does something that you can't do on your own; Stupidly trying to screw "the rich" to your betterment.
To sum up - "The rich" don't stay that way by being stupid and you're obviously not wealthy.
You're right, i'm not wealthy. Want a cookie for your arogance?
You dont negotiate in the film/entertainment biz unless your an actor where the only bargaining chip is your popularity.
Everyone else is expendable.
And thats just the way it is.
Have a nice day troll.
No wait a sec. Programming isnt a reflection of a culture. Anime is. Japan's culture is unique to Anime. Another culture could never creat Anime like the Japanese unless they began to mimic it, but i find that hard to see.
Look at hollywood's lame ass attempt to steal HK action film style of shooting and stunts... Its just so lame.
Programming is a skills thing that isnt exactly tied to a culture.
All of the money goes to the suits and none of the hardworking artists.
Thats the problem. Its that simple. Pay the artists what they are worth, and stop ripping them off.
This problem has been happening forever here in America. It happens in teh game industry too. The voice talent get all of the money, the profits go to all of the suits, and the real talent behind the picture get pennies. The director is generally well paid but they dont make Mike Myres money folks.
So much for that trickle down economic bullshit if you ask me. When the rich make more profits... They simply make more profits:) The workers dont see it.
I think the averager buyer knows a bit more than you give credit for. I dont mean on the geek subjects. I mean on the issues about free hardware, or free anything. They know that companies cant make money if they dont have some gotcha to go with the free whatever. I htink they know that they are paying for it.
Oh consumers are wary of things like catches... You are entirely correct. But the catch in this case, is technical in terms, and perhaps not quite obvious.
They may say "Wait a minute... this PC is free? And all i have to do is pay for the software?"
They'll probably think "ah the catch is that i just have to pay for the software"
Because SUN isnt going to mention ANYTHING about DRM. It will be just a feature of their os and software. It wouldnt be something that is marketed because really it is of no value to the consumer.
SUN could say to the average consumer, that "The software is locked to this computer"
That might be all that they'll say regaurding the DRM aspects of the deal.
And a consumer would say "AH... well i guess thats not bad because i get the PC for free and when i upgrade the software, i'll get another free PC"
I dont think SUN is going to say "well when you buy this pc, you're going to be using our DRM which logs your name address, the software you own/have installed and all of this will be transfered over the net for our database to ensure that you're not stealing our software... etc etc.
Let them spend their money endlessly to try and create the perfect dictatorship system... I mean copy protection.
Consider this, their punishment for their assault on their consumers. They'll spend so much money trying and trying only to find out what every intelligent person has known since the dawn of man...
There's no such thing as an absolute system of control.
If it copies once, thats enough to copy it to a cdr, and then copy it to infinity. If it plays, you can encode it into a mp3 and copy it accross teh globe over night.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. I'm sorry... It would do them far better to just work on better buisness models... But GREED will be their undoing.
Well, you make a lot of sense. Its so true that technology changes at a rate that is hard to keep up with. Even i will admit that i havent kept up to date with the latest Motherboard, or CPU offerings from AMD and Intel. I own a dual AMD 2000+ with 1gig of ram. I built it myself as i've done all my computers since my 286. But i dont know the subtle differences between my AMD 2000+ and say the newest fastest AMD processor and MB. Yes i know the FSB's are faster, RAM is faster... Serial ATA etc... But You're point is entirely valid because i dont quite keep up to date on the latest greatest hardware unless i'm infact BUYING IT.
In other words... I'm smart enough and experienced enough with computers since i was very young, that i can learn quickly and understand the nuances of new hardware when making a purchase. I have an instinctual understanding of how the flow, or evolution of computers progress. Enough that i can understand what the new stuff does, is, and provides over previous revisions.
So in a sense... How many of us keep up to date on the latest model of cars.... We only really care if we're die hard car nuts, or we're infact about to purchase one. And even car nuts as i know from my own family members, myself and friends... Dont know the ins and outs of every new car each year. We just know their names, their body styles and some information reguarding features/specs.
I guess what i'm getting at is... If we were to educate our youngsters, it would work (assuming they listen and are interested... afterall that is the REAL factor to education) But we could educate our children to understand the evolution of computers in such that they have an understanding of how things work.
To make the point clearer... Car guys will often complain about... "well my 65 mustang was so easy to work on... I could easily get the motor to push another 100hp easily... BUT TODAYS CARS... They're all computer controlled and i wouldnt have a clue where to begin"
Now thats not exactly true. Because that person already has a leg up on someone that is completely cluelesse about cars. This person would know how a car works... Perhaps they wouldnt undrestand the new computer aspects of the car... but they would certainly be capable at fixing many things on the car, or atleast understand how cars work. For all of the computers in cars, they still work off the same ideas of the past with a little more refinement.
Each revision of hardware technology, software ideas... Its based on that which came before it. And with a good foundation, one would have a much easier time adapting to the new revisions.
I mean how often do you look at a program and say "yeah i can see how they did this... i could figure it out" Well to you.. it makes sense on some level. Even if you're not a coder, but just a power user who has used pc's since dos 5. Now compare that to the average person in America who basically looks at their PC as if its magic.
Hear is my point in a nutshell...
A few years ago, I opened up my friend to the world of computers. Hes a musician and wanted to finally buy a PC and build a home recording studio. My friend is my age (28) now, so this was i think 3 years ago or so. (He's a mechanic by the way.. so hes a technical person in many respects but knew NOTHING of computers. (he's played videogames his entire life on consoles and in arcades though. So he wasnt affraid of them.
He out of neccesity and personal drive has learned photoshop, audio recording software, flash, how to design webpages and so forth. He's become pretty knowledgable for someone that started at age 25 or so. I started at perhaps age 12? i cant even remember.
But anyways.. my friend still doesnt really understand FTP, (though he is using it now.. took him a while) He doesnt understand IRC at all... HE HAD TO LEARN what an IRQ was when some of his hardware didnt work...
So by neccesity and personal drive.... he's learned quite a bit more than your averag
This is so insightful it diserves to be on billboards across the country (and i'm talking about the ones on the highways) and not bbs's:)
Frankly the DRM fight is already lost, and by lost i mean we've lost. The public is just too dumb when it comes to the subtle aspects of computers. That includes proper pc security, installing software, even knowing what a directory is. Hell half of the folks out there think they're called "folders";)
And those folks dont know what to put in those folders.
They have such a poor grasp of technology. The masses that is. They're not the geeks that we are. They didnt grow up with vic20s, apple 2es, c64s, atari computers, 12mhz 286s, or 486's running teleguard bbs's housing pirated warez. They never had to learn what an IRQ is, or what autoexec.bat does...
They never had to learn HAYES modem commands to reset their models, or init them.
These are the same folks that use PC's like toasters, and how many Americans do you know that can explain how their toaster works?
Point made i think.
We've lost the fight because the industry will do as it pleases, and the public will accept whatever marketing they throw at them. And the marketing will not mention a dam thing. If SUN has its way... it would go somethign like this....
"Pick up your FREE COMPUTER at BESTBUY when you buy a copy of our OS"
It wont mention a dam thing about the DRM restrictions. People will flock to the new marketing idea. "WOW A FREE FUCKING PC?!... I'm so there dude"
Its a lost cause... DRM is going to succeed because we dont have an educated civilization that understands the finer points of technology, or even the basics of the constitution.
If in the near future, you can buy longhorn and get a free top of the line pc... forget it. War over. The masses will flock to it faster than flies to shit.
Its still worth fighting for though. I'm glad folks are still up for the task... because its a mountain bigger than any other.
We're already in the hole because of this very fact. Look at the EULA situation You agree that you're liscensing, and not OWNING your copy of windows. Frankly this is just bullshit, and the public simply doesnt understand, or care about it at all. They dont even read the EULA, and yet they're forced to agree to it.
Consumers arent that smart, and that is why capitalism has become pretty perverse from the top down.
Its the publics responsibility to insure that they are not taken advantage of. The problem is the public simply does not have the education to recognize every specific detail reguarding every unique buying situation, no matter what the product or item.
How many here are car experts? Computer experts, Biologists, etc.. How many know the finer points of HDTV, or a washing machine?... How about law, or how your plumbing works?... How many of us... KNOW IT ALL?
None of us know enough to protect ourselves as consumers in every situation especially those outside the fields of geek like interest (and that could be cars, computers whatever you're geeky about)
The public barely understands computers. They teach flash in highschool these days... and 1 out of 30+ kids in the class can actually do anything with flash.
Its amazing that they teach flash, when they should be teaching programming, or computer manufacturing... how to configure your pc for security, what irq's are... etc I mean theres so much more that needs to be taught before people jump into Flash, or AOL:)
Its just too dam risky for folks to be that ignorant.
And its that fact that DRM will be implemented whenever the software/hardware makers want. Because we're not big enough, loud enough to make a difference, and some of you even work for the suits that push DRM in the first place.
"When 95% of Mariposa listens to country music, what's the problem with having a country music station?"
Nothing... But the other 5% would like some rock to listen to.
The fact that someone who understood this, took it upon themselves to start a pirate radio station to offer freely to those 5% is proof that if you biuld it, they will come.
frankly this guy is as American as it gets. He was doing something for the folks who had no voice and got shot down by the fcc over a rediculous technicality of law.
He wasnt hurting anyone, just helping a few hundred folks out in a free manner.
And if anyone says "well what about copyrights etc" Bah. In a town where there was only a country music station.... I would think the record industry would have no problem with kids getting to hear some ROCK albums under "illegal" circumstances, where other wise they would have not have heard them at all.
Thats just stupid to say. Thats like saying "well black people can't vote.. and well thats the reason they werent allowed to enter the polls"
We change things in this country by recognizing the wrong doings of our past. The fact that we can vocally express dissaproval of a law, a situation, a flavor of ice tea... is the beauty of free speech.
Just because its law, doesnt mean its right.
Frankly the FCC, as someone stated... Has simply taken away free speech broadcasting from average citizens and have give them to corperations and the upper class.
How many steel welders, or under 30k a year folks get to really express their opinions on the air?
How many DJ's get to actually play music they enjoy? How many of them get to expose new music that isnt produced, spoon fead and shoved down their throats by the record industry?
HOw many of them do anything these days? Most just pop in a cd and press play. The mix of the week. Yay.
The FCC for all the bullshit it spouts about the air waves being property of the citizens... Is simply nothing more than a bargaining chip they can use AGAINST the 5 corperations who own the entire broadcasting industry. The problem is, the FCC doesnt give a crap about the people, it just wants to have something to keep them in the game when dealing with corperations. Its a money thing.. not a people thing.
You can start with me. What exactly are they giving up by only being able to copy once? Seriously how many times do you want to copy the same program from tv ? You didn't create the content, you dont own it so what divine rights do you have to it?
That has little to do with it. Think of Tivo, Think of wanting to record a show when you're at work, or away from home.
You simply cant. Well no shit people are pissed off.
There is a famous quote from Star Wars...
"The tighter your grip, the more people slip through your fingers"
In some respects i agree with MS... But really this is silly.
If you look at it from the same point of view as outsourcing American jobs to low wage foreign workforces... Its the same argument. Funny that a Corperation is now using it to battle the free will of the people. How convient.
But the truth is... Open Source software still requires a work force to maintain it, author it, and contribute to it.
Microsoft is really concerned with sales of their software... not the jobs of people:)
If we put our super secret microsoft pr decoder glasses on, the statement actually reads:
"if you dont buy our software, it's going to hurt our company"
Well DUH Microsoft. It seems as if someone is affraid of a fair competitive market.
Microsoft could switch to the redhat buisness model and still hold the same market dominance with an open source Longhorn...
But they're all too greedy for that.
Its so funny to see Microsoft complaining about how free software is impossible to compete with... IE anyone?
Btw its also interesting that the creators of 60 minutes said something to the effect "If we were starting now, from the start, in todays television network climate, 60 minutes would never exist"
In all fairness... You have no idea what the truth is in this situation.
If an ex worker that i fired, kept following me around and harrasing me.. i might be affraid of him to.
This person seems to have made it a hobby to go after Moore on more than one occasion.
Watch Bowling for Columbine and notice how most of the interviews are done by permission with the interviewer.
Yes Moore has marched into K-Marts offices, and others in the past on TV Nation and The Awful Truth (both great shows) But he's making a point about how you CAN NOT contact these corperations on any meaningful level by phonecall alone.
As a consumer you only have access to their call centers in india that answer you with stock answers such as "Thank you for your comments, i will pass them along"
Its a seperation. The corperations are an entity that is seperate from the rest of us, and the only way to get ahold of them is to walk into their headquarters and make some noise.
BUT HE ASKS... the people at K-mart if they will come and speak with him.... and when he should come back.
He does not kick down their door and storm the offices. He enters the lobby which ANY citizen can do.
He has in the past, had public protests outside of congressmen's houses on public streets etc... But never tresspassing.
I see a difference between doing those things, and an ex worker taking out some kind of grudge with him over being fired.... in public.
Its a little too convient and a good way to make money. "EX Michael Moore employee blows whistle on him!" Its too perfect and convient from a self promotion point of view. WHO KNOWS what this guy's deal is.
And i'm sure Micheal Moore is wondering the same thing... And that is probably why Moore reported him.
Afterall It's not as if, Moore hasnt been arrested before for doing the similar things. So dont act as if Moore gets away with anything while the little guy gets sent to jail.
Moore has had many situations with the police that have resulted in him being escorted away, or being arrested.
I agree with this... BUT... Dont forget programs like 60 minutes and PBS's Frontline, Bill Moyer's NOW, and Nightline.
They are incredible shows with a history of asking the hard questions.
I'll even toss in Lou Dobbs, who seems to be the only news program on CNN that doesnt act like a CNN news program. Hell i'm suprised they've let him do legit news with hard questioning and positioing for that long on CNN. No wonder he's squeezed in between Anderson Cooper 360, Paula Zahn, and Wolf Blizter's bull shit shows.
CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC are a joke.
Stick to PBS shows like Frontline, Mclear News Hour, NOW with Bill Moyers, NPR radio and networks such as... BBC, 60 minutes, Frontline, Nightline and Cspan... and you'll get some real reporting.
STOP WATCHING THE CABLE NEWS NETWORKS. They have a 24 hour day and their indepth reports last 5 minutes long, and they repeat endlessly throughout the day. They simply dont get it, rather you simply dont get it.
IN DEPTH FUCKING REPORTING.. TAKES WEEKS.. MONTHS...:) Watch 60minutes, Frontline etc... Where they actually DO THE REPORTING AND INVESTIGATION.
FOXnews MSNBC, CNN do not investigate, they report Asociated Press stories (which is basically them reading someone elses hardwork). All 3 of them rely on freelance reporters with mobile trucks because they simply DO NOT CARE AT ALL about real reporting... if they did.. they would have some on their payroll.
Double fuck wolf blitzer and his droning delivery, 4 minute indepth reports, and continuous bullshit.
Its good to be a pissed off American in these times. PBS... Yes.. the network the government keeps cutting funding for each year, happens to be the most intellectual and entertaing network while providing indepth news reports.
You can have your chris mathews, Bill Orielys, Shawn Hanities, Alan Combs.... They're fucking muppets.
The fact that people watch these over cooked bullhorns of bullshit, is a sign of how fucked our "free press is"
But hey.. DONT WORRY FOLKS!.. The FCC is allowing media companies to consolidate even further....
So we'll have much better reporting when the 6 Media giants consolidate and form 3.
FREE PRESS!!!! (while we have it... ) Is on PBS, 60minutes, NPR, Nightline (which almost got canceled) and Cspan.
The rest is MTV bullshit. And if you dont realize it.... WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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To some extent what you say is true. But as 3d character animator... I can with out a doubt say Humans are harder to animate :)
:) ANYTHING off, looks off. that includes skin sliding, muscle movement, skin tranlucency, skin texture, material, reflections, hair on the head and the body... Walk animations, any movement around the eyes where eye movement affects the skin and muscles around it so gently.
And the reason is... Your point
There is just so much to do when animating a human. If we're talking about the absolutely perfect ideal animated human... then we're talking about levels of detail like no other... Because of the very reason you point out.
So animating them is much harder... because people will notice the difference.
Animation is hard no matter what. A slight change of anything can evoke a mood or attitude that you dont want.
Animating humans IS HARD. In animation you judge the level of difficulty by what you can get away with... This is true. But animating a 3d snoopy, vs animating a 3d realistic human is so much harder because of the level of refinement, detail and what you can and cant get away with.
Snoopy can spin his ears like a helicopter and no one will question it.
When animating a human... If the ears dont move just right when they're required too... Does the character evoke a supid emotion? A state of dumbness? Shock? horror, cartoony? A human can go so wrong so easily when animating one.
Chuck Jones is considered one of the worlds BEST animation directors/animators...
He never animated a realistic 3d human... Could he have? Not without an army.
Its not a question of skill... its a question of detail and the work load.
Is it really a chinese super computer? Its made from AMD chips.
Thats like saying "We built the fastest American sports car by putting 600 ferrari engines in a buick"
Here's the thing... I dont give a shit about the economic balance between the developed and underdeveloped countries.
I care about my job, my family, my food.
Now i wish everyone the best... And that we treat people fairly...
But until Money is banished from the planet, i simply care about myself more than you in a competitive market.
The only thing balancing out the economies accomplishes is... OUR WEALTH.. BECOMING THEIR PROFIT.
Then its balanced.
I say rid the planet of money all together... but til then we're fucked and need to watch out for number 1, before we care about number 2.
I'm not for EXPLOITING workers in any country. I'm simply talking about our country feeling that its good to employ the poor in other countries rather than here... because its profitable.
If thats the case... MOVE IT ALL out of the country.. Every thing.. Because its ALL FUCKING CHEAPER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
No wait a sec. Programming isnt a reflection of a culture. Anime is. Japan's culture is unique to Anime. Another culture could never creat Anime like the Japanese unless they began to mimic it, but i find that hard to see.
Look at hollywood's lame ass attempt to steal HK action film style of shooting and stunts... Its just so lame.
Programming is a skills thing that isnt exactly tied to a culture.
All of the money goes to the suits and none of the hardworking artists.
:) The workers dont see it.
Thats the problem. Its that simple. Pay the artists what they are worth, and stop ripping them off.
This problem has been happening forever here in America. It happens in teh game industry too. The voice talent get all of the money, the profits go to all of the suits, and the real talent behind the picture get pennies. The director is generally well paid but they dont make Mike Myres money folks.
So much for that trickle down economic bullshit if you ask me. When the rich make more profits... They simply make more profits
Microsoft media player sucks and always will suck because they just dont get it.
Make the thing like a fucking vcr. I mean the ideas arent old you know... Play/fast forward,slowmo, reverse, etc etc...
Fuck Microsoft, use media player classic.
Anime die? HAHAHAH never.
:)
As long as wonderful talents like Hayao Miyazaki exist, great anime will exist.
No one does Anime like Japan (DUH)
I simply do not see it being outsourced to indians.
Look raise the prices of the stuff. Export it to other countries... bring more money in... and dont censor it
Let them spend their money endlessly to try and create the perfect dictatorship system... I mean copy protection.
Consider this, their punishment for their assault on their consumers. They'll spend so much money trying and trying only to find out what every intelligent person has known since the dawn of man...
There's no such thing as an absolute system of control.
If it copies once, thats enough to copy it to a cdr, and then copy it to infinity. If it plays, you can encode it into a mp3 and copy it accross teh globe over night.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. I'm sorry... It would do them far better to just work on better buisness models... But GREED will be their undoing.
So be it. I simply do not care.
Well, you make a lot of sense. Its so true that technology changes at a rate that is hard to keep up with. Even i will admit that i havent kept up to date with the latest Motherboard, or CPU offerings from AMD and Intel. I own a dual AMD 2000+ with 1gig of ram. I built it myself as i've done all my computers since my 286. But i dont know the subtle differences between my AMD 2000+ and say the newest fastest AMD processor and MB. Yes i know the FSB's are faster, RAM is faster... Serial ATA etc... But You're point is entirely valid because i dont quite keep up to date on the latest greatest hardware unless i'm infact BUYING IT.
... "well my 65 mustang was so easy to work on... I could easily get the motor to push another 100hp easily... BUT TODAYS CARS... They're all computer controlled and i wouldnt have a clue where to begin"
In other words... I'm smart enough and experienced enough with computers since i was very young, that i can learn quickly and understand the nuances of new hardware when making a purchase. I have an instinctual understanding of how the flow, or evolution of computers progress. Enough that i can understand what the new stuff does, is, and provides over previous revisions.
So in a sense... How many of us keep up to date on the latest model of cars.... We only really care if we're die hard car nuts, or we're infact about to purchase one. And even car nuts as i know from my own family members, myself and friends... Dont know the ins and outs of every new car each year. We just know their names, their body styles and some information reguarding features/specs.
I guess what i'm getting at is... If we were to educate our youngsters, it would work (assuming they listen and are interested... afterall that is the REAL factor to education) But we could educate our children to understand the evolution of computers in such that they have an understanding of how things work.
To make the point clearer... Car guys will often complain about
Now thats not exactly true. Because that person already has a leg up on someone that is completely cluelesse about cars. This person would know how a car works... Perhaps they wouldnt undrestand the new computer aspects of the car... but they would certainly be capable at fixing many things on the car, or atleast understand how cars work. For all of the computers in cars, they still work off the same ideas of the past with a little more refinement.
Each revision of hardware technology, software ideas... Its based on that which came before it. And with a good foundation, one would have a much easier time adapting to the new revisions.
I mean how often do you look at a program and say "yeah i can see how they did this... i could figure it out" Well to you.. it makes sense on some level. Even if you're not a coder, but just a power user who has used pc's since dos 5. Now compare that to the average person in America who basically looks at their PC as if its magic.
Hear is my point in a nutshell...
A few years ago, I opened up my friend to the world of computers. Hes a musician and wanted to finally buy a PC and build a home recording studio. My friend is my age (28) now, so this was i think 3 years ago or so. (He's a mechanic by the way.. so hes a technical person in many respects but knew NOTHING of computers. (he's played videogames his entire life on consoles and in arcades though. So he wasnt affraid of them.
He out of neccesity and personal drive has learned photoshop, audio recording software, flash, how to design webpages and so forth. He's become pretty knowledgable for someone that started at age 25 or so. I started at perhaps age 12? i cant even remember.
But anyways.. my friend still doesnt really understand FTP, (though he is using it now.. took him a while) He doesnt understand IRC at all... HE HAD TO LEARN what an IRQ was when some of his hardware didnt work...
So by neccesity and personal drive.... he's learned quite a bit more than your averag
This is so insightful it diserves to be on billboards across the country (and i'm talking about the ones on the highways) and not bbs's :)
;)
:)
Frankly the DRM fight is already lost, and by lost i mean we've lost. The public is just too dumb when it comes to the subtle aspects of computers. That includes proper pc security, installing software, even knowing what a directory is. Hell half of the folks out there think they're called "folders"
And those folks dont know what to put in those folders.
They have such a poor grasp of technology. The masses that is. They're not the geeks that we are. They didnt grow up with vic20s, apple 2es, c64s, atari computers, 12mhz 286s, or 486's running teleguard bbs's housing pirated warez. They never had to learn what an IRQ is, or what autoexec.bat does...
They never had to learn HAYES modem commands to reset their models, or init them.
These are the same folks that use PC's like toasters, and how many Americans do you know that can explain how their toaster works?
Point made i think.
We've lost the fight because the industry will do as it pleases, and the public will accept whatever marketing they throw at them. And the marketing will not mention a dam thing. If SUN has its way... it would go somethign like this....
"Pick up your FREE COMPUTER at BESTBUY when you buy a copy of our OS"
It wont mention a dam thing about the DRM restrictions. People will flock to the new marketing idea. "WOW A FREE FUCKING PC?!... I'm so there dude"
Its a lost cause... DRM is going to succeed because we dont have an educated civilization that understands the finer points of technology, or even the basics of the constitution.
If in the near future, you can buy longhorn and get a free top of the line pc... forget it. War over. The masses will flock to it faster than flies to shit.
Its still worth fighting for though. I'm glad folks are still up for the task... because its a mountain bigger than any other.
We're already in the hole because of this very fact. Look at the EULA situation You agree that you're liscensing, and not OWNING your copy of windows. Frankly this is just bullshit, and the public simply doesnt understand, or care about it at all. They dont even read the EULA, and yet they're forced to agree to it.
Consumers arent that smart, and that is why capitalism has become pretty perverse from the top down.
Its the publics responsibility to insure that they are not taken advantage of. The problem is the public simply does not have the education to recognize every specific detail reguarding every unique buying situation, no matter what the product or item.
How many here are car experts? Computer experts, Biologists, etc.. How many know the finer points of HDTV, or a washing machine?... How about law, or how your plumbing works?... How many of us... KNOW IT ALL?
None of us know enough to protect ourselves as consumers in every situation especially those outside the fields of geek like interest (and that could be cars, computers whatever you're geeky about)
The public barely understands computers. They teach flash in highschool these days... and 1 out of 30+ kids in the class can actually do anything with flash.
Its amazing that they teach flash, when they should be teaching programming, or computer manufacturing... how to configure your pc for security, what irq's are... etc I mean theres so much more that needs to be taught before people jump into Flash, or AOL
Its just too dam risky for folks to be that ignorant.
And its that fact that DRM will be implemented whenever the software/hardware makers want. Because we're not big enough, loud enough to make a difference, and some of you even work for the suits that push DRM in the first place.
"When 95% of Mariposa listens to country music, what's the problem with having a country music station?"
Nothing... But the other 5% would like some rock to listen to.
The fact that someone who understood this, took it upon themselves to start a pirate radio station to offer freely to those 5% is proof that if you biuld it, they will come.
frankly this guy is as American as it gets. He was doing something for the folks who had no voice and got shot down by the fcc over a rediculous technicality of law.
He wasnt hurting anyone, just helping a few hundred folks out in a free manner.
And if anyone says "well what about copyrights etc" Bah. In a town where there was only a country music station.... I would think the record industry would have no problem with kids getting to hear some ROCK albums under "illegal" circumstances, where other wise they would have not have heard them at all.
It translates to record sales.
Thats just stupid to say. Thats like saying "well black people can't vote.. and well thats the reason they werent allowed to enter the polls"
We change things in this country by recognizing the wrong doings of our past. The fact that we can vocally express dissaproval of a law, a situation, a flavor of ice tea... is the beauty of free speech.
Just because its law, doesnt mean its right.
Frankly the FCC, as someone stated... Has simply taken away free speech broadcasting from average citizens and have give them to corperations and the upper class.
How many steel welders, or under 30k a year folks get to really express their opinions on the air?
How many DJ's get to actually play music they enjoy? How many of them get to expose new music that isnt produced, spoon fead and shoved down their throats by the record industry?
HOw many of them do anything these days? Most just pop in a cd and press play. The mix of the week. Yay.
The FCC for all the bullshit it spouts about the air waves being property of the citizens... Is simply nothing more than a bargaining chip they can use AGAINST the 5 corperations who own the entire broadcasting industry. The problem is, the FCC doesnt give a crap about the people, it just wants to have something to keep them in the game when dealing with corperations. Its a money thing.. not a people thing.
As is always the case with the FCC.
Or atleast thats what the FCC keeps telling us... Fuck the FCC. They have to go.
In some respects i agree with MS... But really this is silly.
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If you look at it from the same point of view as outsourcing American jobs to low wage foreign workforces... Its the same argument. Funny that a Corperation is now using it to battle the free will of the people. How convient.
But the truth is... Open Source software still requires a work force to maintain it, author it, and contribute to it.
Microsoft is really concerned with sales of their software... not the jobs of people
If we put our super secret microsoft pr decoder glasses on, the statement actually reads:
"if you dont buy our software, it's going to hurt our company"
Well DUH Microsoft. It seems as if someone is affraid of a fair competitive market.
Microsoft could switch to the redhat buisness model and still hold the same market dominance with an open source Longhorn...
But they're all too greedy for that.
Its so funny to see Microsoft complaining about how free software is impossible to compete with... IE anyone?
Nope.. Mozilla firebird for me!
Oh really?
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Well if thats the case.. why educate children? Let them grow up to be dumb monkeys.
I'm an elitist?
Or am I someone who thinks Education is a good thing?
Frankly, i think allowing the public to dwindle into the relm of the dumb (fox news) for the sake of profit and exploitation is ELITIST.
CARING for people and hoping to broaden their horizons... DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE AN ELITIST.. It makes them an inclusionist if thats a dam word
BINGO.
I'm an elitist fuck because i refuse to watch Hanity and Combs?
wow.
Forgive me for demanding better news reporting standards.... I'm so ELITE.
Fucking tool.
Btw its also interesting that the creators of 60 minutes said something to the effect "If we were starting now, from the start, in todays television network climate, 60 minutes would never exist"
As if Moore's criticism isnt HONEST?
Bah.
Moore has a point of view, as do others. He shares it, backs it up with why he thinks the way he does.
That is no different than other people sharing opposing views.
Moore is right on.
In all fairness... You have no idea what the truth is in this situation.
If an ex worker that i fired, kept following me around and harrasing me.. i might be affraid of him to.
This person seems to have made it a hobby to go after Moore on more than one occasion.
Watch Bowling for Columbine and notice how most of the interviews are done by permission with the interviewer.
Yes Moore has marched into K-Marts offices, and others in the past on TV Nation and The Awful Truth (both great shows) But he's making a point about how you CAN NOT contact these corperations on any meaningful level by phonecall alone.
As a consumer you only have access to their call centers in india that answer you with stock answers such as "Thank you for your comments, i will pass them along"
Its a seperation. The corperations are an entity that is seperate from the rest of us, and the only way to get ahold of them is to walk into their headquarters and make some noise.
BUT HE ASKS... the people at K-mart if they will come and speak with him.... and when he should come back.
He does not kick down their door and storm the offices. He enters the lobby which ANY citizen can do.
He has in the past, had public protests outside of congressmen's houses on public streets etc... But never tresspassing.
I see a difference between doing those things, and an ex worker taking out some kind of grudge with him over being fired.... in public.
Its a little too convient and a good way to make money. "EX Michael Moore employee blows whistle on him!" Its too perfect and convient from a self promotion point of view. WHO KNOWS what this guy's deal is.
And i'm sure Micheal Moore is wondering the same thing... And that is probably why Moore reported him.
Afterall It's not as if, Moore hasnt been arrested before for doing the similar things. So dont act as if Moore gets away with anything while the little guy gets sent to jail.
Moore has had many situations with the police that have resulted in him being escorted away, or being arrested.
I dont know. The government is so out of control.
I agree with this... BUT... Dont forget programs like 60 minutes and PBS's Frontline, Bill Moyer's NOW, and Nightline.
:) Watch 60minutes, Frontline etc... Where they actually DO THE REPORTING AND INVESTIGATION.
They are incredible shows with a history of asking the hard questions.
I'll even toss in Lou Dobbs, who seems to be the only news program on CNN that doesnt act like a CNN news program. Hell i'm suprised they've let him do legit news with hard questioning and positioing for that long on CNN. No wonder he's squeezed in between Anderson Cooper 360, Paula Zahn, and Wolf Blizter's bull shit shows.
CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC are a joke.
Stick to PBS shows like Frontline, Mclear News Hour, NOW with Bill Moyers, NPR radio and networks such as... BBC, 60 minutes, Frontline, Nightline and Cspan... and you'll get some real reporting.
STOP WATCHING THE CABLE NEWS NETWORKS. They have a 24 hour day and their indepth reports last 5 minutes long, and they repeat endlessly throughout the day. They simply dont get it, rather you simply dont get it.
IN DEPTH FUCKING REPORTING.. TAKES WEEKS.. MONTHS...
FOXnews MSNBC, CNN do not investigate, they report Asociated Press stories (which is basically them reading someone elses hardwork). All 3 of them rely on freelance reporters with mobile trucks because they simply DO NOT CARE AT ALL about real reporting... if they did.. they would have some on their payroll.
Double fuck wolf blitzer and his droning delivery, 4 minute indepth reports, and continuous bullshit.
Its good to be a pissed off American in these times. PBS... Yes.. the network the government keeps cutting funding for each year, happens to be the most intellectual and entertaing network while providing indepth news reports.
You can have your chris mathews, Bill Orielys, Shawn Hanities, Alan Combs.... They're fucking muppets.
The fact that people watch these over cooked bullhorns of bullshit, is a sign of how fucked our "free press is"
But hey.. DONT WORRY FOLKS!.. The FCC is allowing media companies to consolidate even further....
So we'll have much better reporting when the 6 Media giants consolidate and form 3.
FREE PRESS!!!! (while we have it... ) Is on PBS, 60minutes, NPR, Nightline (which almost got canceled) and Cspan.
The rest is MTV bullshit. And if you dont realize it.... WAKE THE FUCK UP!