Left 4 Dead 2 is bad for people, Road Warrior is good for people.
Australia, you have a wallaby in your dickhole. Crikey!
Censor that and put another shrimp on the bar-bee.
In all seriousness... Left 4 Dead 2 (a shitty expansion pack) and Road Warrior 2 are perfectly fine for entertainment. Stop the censorship. Chill out... and have a veggemite!
This is why the music industry is dieing. Instead of doing fair, rational and sane business... they eat themselves alive as they search for every penny.
You know, really good stores... treat their customers well. They toss in free things, they treat the customer like a fair person.
Apple is the saving grace of the entire music industry. Its not just itunes, its iPods, iphones, and macs themselves!
The RIAA is going to after the one entity that is trying to bring progress to a dead industry built on greed, corruption and casting couch rape sessions?
Attn: RIAA. Free previews, are free advertisements and the RIAA are a bunch of stupid assholes.
Itunes does not need the RIAA. In fact, itunes can completely replace the RIAA all together. Why have record labels at all? Itunes could be your record label. Sell directly to consumers just like iphone Apps.
Who really needs you any more RIAA? No one. SO BE NICE, and enjoy what you have now, rather than squeeze yourself out of existence by your own greed.
Frankly... go ahead and do it, fuck yourself to oblivion. We'll just buy stuff from the itunes/disney label which will feature all of the artists you lost.
I'm a progressive. I'm for universal single payer health care...
HOWEVER.. tracking cars? taxing milage?
Go fuck yourself Government. This is why we cant get Universal Single Payer Health Care. Its because of stupid shit like this, that people equate any government program with evil.
SOME government programs are ridiculously stupid and evil. There is no need to tax people on milage, or track them with GPS.
They just want to know where you are at all times, and profit from it.
Do something once for the people. Give us back our tax dollars, in the form of Universal Single Payer Health Care.... and not in payouts to GM, AIG etc.
I'm glad you posted rather than mod me up. You added something to this that i failed to do so...
I wasnt even thinking about OSX Snow Leopard coming out. Thats very interesting. FSF is out to criticize Windows 7 which will be released very shortly, but not the new version of OSX which comes out around the same time?
I guess Apple does no evil?
Its clearly hatred. Its unfair and bitter. Its become cliche to attack Microsoft.
Microsoft deserves a lot of criticism but they dont deserve to be hated so blindly. Apple gets away with murder... and mainly because Apple users like that "lock in". They enjoy that all inclusive experience because its different than what microsoft offers. Ironically Microsoft cant offer it, because they will be slaughtered by governments and bitter critics all around the world.
So Apple gets a free pass.
Its not right. Frankly I think we stand for freedom a bit more universally, or at least be fair to microsoft and allow them to compete with Apple, using Apple's style of "all inclusive experience".
I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan either. Sometimes i think they're out of touch and provide poorly designed software because they lack vision... and other times i think "If only Microsoft were allowed to write software that has full features, rather than "just enough" features to keep them from getting sued by the anti competition/microsoft haters"
Microsoft is not perfect.
Windows 7 is very nice btw.
Mac OS is also very nice.
I enjoy both platforms, but i see the hypocrisy for its as clear as day.
I'm not against Free Software, and I actually like Linux a hell of a lot. I love that people are so dedicated to the cause, and their work... so much that money doesnt even matter... and that the ideals do matter more than anything. I LOVE that. Its passion, its generous, and its a wonderful thing we should promote...
"Right now, I'm wondering if you have some problems with the understanding of what is real or not. How can you say that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly? Go to any shopping center, it doesn't matter where, and you can go into all the businesses and ask them if they have any computers without windows on them."
Go to an Apple store, do you see any Apple computers with windows on them?
Go to best buy, do you see any windows PCs with MAC OS on them? No, because Apple refuses to allow that to happen.
Apple in many ways keeps itself out of the PC world by strictly controlling its products!
Apple does not allow MAC OS to be installed on non-Apple PC hardware. Apple does not allow Mac Clones. The only thing stopping windows PC users from installing Mac Os on their Pc hardware... is Apple and not Microsoft.
I have no problem understanding what is real or not. I'm just capable of seeing the bigger picture, which others are not. I dont break down the PC market vs the Mac market. They are the same personal computer market. You have a choice, buy a Windows pc, or an Apple pc. They run on the same hardware. Oddly enough Apple's software only runs on hardware they strictly control. Imagine if Microsoft did that? Your head would explode in anger. And yet why is Apple allowed to dictate the hardware it runs on?
You see... Windows became popular because it ran on PC compatibles. That is why Apple lost historically. Apple makes a very nice product, but they're very strict about where you buy it, and what it runs on. They make sure you pay through the ass for something that PC compatibles do just as well, but cheaper.
Apple's small market share, is their own doing. Not Microsoft's.
There are two ways of looking at the PC market. 1, is it just a windows market, or is it a windows, mac os, linux market?
I say its a 3 way market. Yes Windows has the majority share, but so what? Crayola crayons has a majority share too. There will always a greater percentage of something, but that does not mean there is a monopoly.
Microsoft's greatest mistakes were with the API tricks they pulled and rightfully so they were penalized. However this has gone too far. People just hate microsoft and they cant admit it. At this point, most people dont even know why they hate micrsoft. I hate them too for many reasons, mainly though for writing incomplete software, and i suspect thats due to fear of being called "anti competitive"
Cutting the balls off, so that Apple can get away with murder and raise its market share... is not fair.
"You won't find any public school in the US with student computers running anything but Windows"
When i grew up, my highschool had commadore 64's and Apple computers. They did eventaully get PCs though. Its my understanding that Apple was the only thing available in most schools back then. Back then it was less clear as to whom would be used by everyone. Today thats clearer, and both systems are quite similar if not the same now. I learned Word, on a Mac in high school.
"And how the hell do you think that Apple is more locked than Microsoft? Last time I checked, there's a FOSS Mac OS X core available, but no FOSS Windows core"
That has nothing to do with it. The core? The kernal? it has nothing to do with this. Thats like saying if Ford invented a brand new engine type, they must tell their competitors how it works, and produce it for free. Its silly. A company can make a product as it sees fit.
We're talking about bundled features with the OS and strict control over hardware, software and service.
Apple is allowed to do what Microsoft wishes they could.
"Anyway some of us on Slashdot actually enjoy the vendor lock-in provided by Apple strange as it may seem to you - less configuration, better support etc - so please don't try to spoil a perfectly valid business model for us. Remember if you don't like it there is a competitor that you can choose that is NINE TIMES bigger. "
EXACTLY.. See, there is my point.
BTW. I dont agree at all with the nine times bigger. That doesnt matter. What matters is market competition. MAC vs PC = same hardware, different software. They are two great options.
But anyways you proved my point. APPLE is good at locking people in, and most if not all users who buy Apple, are attracted to that "lock-in" that apple provides, because like you said its less configuration, better support etc.
Apple's all inclusive mentality is attractive! OK... so Why cant Microsoft offer an all inclusive experience?
It's not fair that one is allowed to do one thing, and the other is not. There is no reason to allow Apple an unfair advantage, while people sit around and claim Microsoft has an unfair advantage.
PERSONALLY... like you said... Apple users are attracted to that all inclusive mentality, and guess what... so are PC users but we live in a very fractured software world, where as Apple users live in a very complete software world were it interacts nicely and seamlessly provides a unifying experience. That unifying experience is a value to mac users!
To PC users though, its wrong. Its wrong for us Windows PC users, but not wrong for Mac users? AND its also the very reason many are leaving windows to go to apple.
Microsoft needs to be allowed to do whatever it must, but not at the expense of blocking other companies from writing competing software. That means, Microsoft can ship windows with an email program, but cant design windows in a way that blocks a user from installing a different email program.
JUST because something comes installed with an OS, does not make it prefered or anti competitive. Hell most Dell PC's come pre-installed with garbage i'll never use, and yet they're allowed to do it and microsoft cant.
Microsoft is damned if it does, damned if it does not. I'm tired of MS writing "example software" that ships with its os. By that i mean, software that has its balls cut off because they're terrorfied of being penalized again.
As long as you can still install firefox, eudora, thunderbird, aim... whatever.... MS should be allowed to bundle their software with the OS, and it should be comprehensive software.
LOOK at windows backup. they purposely limit its functionality, so that it ALMOST works as a solution... but it does not provide a solution at all because it's limited to a single back up job with very little options. Compare that with Apple's Time Machine... APPLE GETS AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE IT PROVIDES REAL FUNCTIONALITY THAT THE USERS LIKE!
Every peice of software included with windows, is example software. NONE of it has any serious functionality because they purposefully write it in a way that it does nothing useful. This is so the competition feels better about themselves.
Is Norton ghost crying foul at Apple's Time Machine? DOES ANYONE REALLY CARE? I'd rather have a nice solid backup solution built into my OS!!!
Instead we have windows 7 backup, which now allows you to select which files you want to back up, but it only allows you a single back up job. Lets say you only want files A B C to go to back up drive 1, and you want files D E F to go to back up drive 2. You cant do that with windows 7 backup because they're affraid of being called anti competitive.
And it leaves me wishing I owned a MAC with Apple's Time Machine.
It doesnt matter than 9 out of 10 computers are microsoft windows machines. Thats user preference. Users do have a choice you know!
No one is forcing me to buy a dell windows pc. I could go to the Apple store and by a MAC, which is the same exact hardware. Not only is it the same exact hardware, you cant service your hardware without bringing it to Apple and they dont allow anyone to sell "mac clones".
It does not matter at all how many people buy a product, if there is a choice in the market place. There will always be a prefered choice by the majority but that does not mean you have a monopoly. ESPECIALLY when the competition is allowed to do what you're not allowed to do. Thats unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine if microsoft made it so that windows only ran on microsoft hardware. Wouldnt that be illegal? Wouldnt dell be pissed off? Wouldnt ALL of the OEM's around the world go ape shit?. Well then why is Apple allowed to LOCK in, its os... to only hardware it sells?
Why is Apple allowed to bundle itunes, safari, mobile me, mail, ichat and many others, and Microsoft is told "you cant".
Why cant my iphone run firefox or opera's web-browser? Why cant I play FLAC in itunes????????
I dont care how many people buy a product. It really does not matter as long as there is competition. If anything it proves that EVEN if you try to lock in people like Apple does... you can still lose to competition.
Apple's entire company is based on them providing you a complete experience/service. They dont want you going outside the Apple walls, and they make it very hard to. Apple is so good at locking its users in to the Apple world, and it is the reason many people buy a MAC in the first place!
Why do people insist on demanding Microsoft live up to standards that Apple, and Linux arent asked to live up to?
Windows 7 doesnt even come with an email program now! Linux, and MAC OS come with an email program.
Mac OS comes with quicktime, and Microsoft gets called "anti competitive" because Media Player ships with windows!?
If windows didnt come with a web browser, how would download a competing web browser?... or any other software option?
APPLE is JUST AS GUILTY if not worse, then any thing Microsoft has done in recent times. But Apple gets a free pass... WHY?
Just admit you hate Microsoft out of spite. It has very little to do with reality, and everything to do with personal bias.
Again... APPLE does far more to keep their users locked into "Apple's way". Apple is extremely closed in its workflow, applications and bundled software. It is Apple or nothing. And you know what... Thats what people like about the Mac!
No wonder Windows is falling so hard lately. They cant even do anything comprehensive without being called a "monopoly".
Microsoft is not a monopoly. Lets get over it. Apple's software runs on the same hardware. If anything Apple is far more closed, and controlling than windows has ever been.
Its really time to stop.
I'm all for making sure competition is fair, but not at the cost of a comprehensive environment / workflow. As long as you can use alternative software... I dont care how or what MS bundles with their OS, or what it builds into its OS. Just as long as its good.
Windows still runs exe's last i checked right?
Good. Then there will be alternatives to MS installed applications.
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Now that America is officially a dead nation...
The rich that destroyed the US Economy and middle class will use the money to make rockets in china.
I will never understand censorship.
Left 4 Dead 2 is bad for people, Road Warrior is good for people.
Australia, you have a wallaby in your dickhole. Crikey!
Censor that and put another shrimp on the bar-bee.
In all seriousness... Left 4 Dead 2 (a shitty expansion pack) and Road Warrior 2 are perfectly fine for entertainment. Stop the censorship. Chill out... and have a veggemite!
This is why the music industry is dieing. Instead of doing fair, rational and sane business... they eat themselves alive as they search for every penny.
You know, really good stores... treat their customers well. They toss in free things, they treat the customer like a fair person.
Apple is the saving grace of the entire music industry. Its not just itunes, its iPods, iphones, and macs themselves!
The RIAA is going to after the one entity that is trying to bring progress to a dead industry built on greed, corruption and casting couch rape sessions?
Attn: RIAA. Free previews, are free advertisements and the RIAA are a bunch of stupid assholes.
Itunes does not need the RIAA. In fact, itunes can completely replace the RIAA all together. Why have record labels at all? Itunes could be your record label. Sell directly to consumers just like iphone Apps.
Who really needs you any more RIAA? No one. SO BE NICE, and enjoy what you have now, rather than squeeze yourself out of existence by your own greed.
Frankly... go ahead and do it, fuck yourself to oblivion. We'll just buy stuff from the itunes/disney label which will feature all of the artists you lost.
I'm a progressive. I'm for universal single payer health care...
HOWEVER.. tracking cars? taxing milage?
Go fuck yourself Government. This is why we cant get Universal Single Payer Health Care. Its because of stupid shit like this, that people equate any government program with evil.
SOME government programs are ridiculously stupid and evil. There is no need to tax people on milage, or track them with GPS.
They just want to know where you are at all times, and profit from it.
Do something once for the people. Give us back our tax dollars, in the form of Universal Single Payer Health Care.... and not in payouts to GM, AIG etc.
Upgrading an OS seems extremely problematic. Fresh install the thing.
either you missed the point, or you're trying to reinforce it :)
Just dont forget you are an American company...
Manufacture everything in the US :)
It sounds impressive but it also sounds like a stunt more than reality.
very interesting... Great question by the poster, and a great answer by you... YOU GET A COOKIE!
I'm gonna go read about this now...
Win!
So the Truth gets modded as Troll?
Thanks. Its still true, like it or not.
Just admit you hate Microsoft.
Linux zealots have had their own set of talking points for many years now.
Fair is Fair.
I suck... oh fuck me... we'll have stupid children together.
Atomic program my ass... this mother fucker was used for hardcore mother fucking porn....
Boot this bitch up and lets jack like its 1949.
You know, the Nazi's made Jews wear pieces of flare.
I'm glad you posted rather than mod me up. You added something to this that i failed to do so...
I wasnt even thinking about OSX Snow Leopard coming out. Thats very interesting. FSF is out to criticize Windows 7 which will be released very shortly, but not the new version of OSX which comes out around the same time?
I guess Apple does no evil?
Its clearly hatred. Its unfair and bitter. Its become cliche to attack Microsoft.
Microsoft deserves a lot of criticism but they dont deserve to be hated so blindly. Apple gets away with murder... and mainly because Apple users like that "lock in". They enjoy that all inclusive experience because its different than what microsoft offers. Ironically Microsoft cant offer it, because they will be slaughtered by governments and bitter critics all around the world.
So Apple gets a free pass.
Its not right. Frankly I think we stand for freedom a bit more universally, or at least be fair to microsoft and allow them to compete with Apple, using Apple's style of "all inclusive experience".
I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan either. Sometimes i think they're out of touch and provide poorly designed software because they lack vision... and other times i think "If only Microsoft were allowed to write software that has full features, rather than "just enough" features to keep them from getting sued by the anti competition/microsoft haters"
Microsoft is not perfect.
Windows 7 is very nice btw.
Mac OS is also very nice.
I enjoy both platforms, but i see the hypocrisy for its as clear as day.
I'm not against Free Software, and I actually like Linux a hell of a lot. I love that people are so dedicated to the cause, and their work... so much that money doesnt even matter... and that the ideals do matter more than anything. I LOVE that. Its passion, its generous, and its a wonderful thing we should promote...
but not at the cost of being mean and spiteful.
"Right now, I'm wondering if you have some problems with the understanding of what is real or not. How can you say that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly? Go to any shopping center, it doesn't matter where, and you can go into all the businesses and ask them if they have any computers without windows on them."
Go to an Apple store, do you see any Apple computers with windows on them?
Go to best buy, do you see any windows PCs with MAC OS on them? No, because Apple refuses to allow that to happen.
Apple in many ways keeps itself out of the PC world by strictly controlling its products!
Apple does not allow MAC OS to be installed on non-Apple PC hardware. Apple does not allow Mac Clones. The only thing stopping windows PC users from installing Mac Os on their Pc hardware... is Apple and not Microsoft.
I have no problem understanding what is real or not. I'm just capable of seeing the bigger picture, which others are not. I dont break down the PC market vs the Mac market. They are the same personal computer market. You have a choice, buy a Windows pc, or an Apple pc. They run on the same hardware. Oddly enough Apple's software only runs on hardware they strictly control. Imagine if Microsoft did that? Your head would explode in anger. And yet why is Apple allowed to dictate the hardware it runs on?
You see... Windows became popular because it ran on PC compatibles. That is why Apple lost historically. Apple makes a very nice product, but they're very strict about where you buy it, and what it runs on. They make sure you pay through the ass for something that PC compatibles do just as well, but cheaper.
Apple's small market share, is their own doing. Not Microsoft's.
There are two ways of looking at the PC market. 1, is it just a windows market, or is it a windows, mac os, linux market?
I say its a 3 way market. Yes Windows has the majority share, but so what? Crayola crayons has a majority share too. There will always a greater percentage of something, but that does not mean there is a monopoly.
Microsoft's greatest mistakes were with the API tricks they pulled and rightfully so they were penalized. However this has gone too far. People just hate microsoft and they cant admit it. At this point, most people dont even know why they hate micrsoft. I hate them too for many reasons, mainly though for writing incomplete software, and i suspect thats due to fear of being called "anti competitive"
Cutting the balls off, so that Apple can get away with murder and raise its market share... is not fair.
When i grew up, my highschool had commadore 64's and Apple computers. They did eventaully get PCs though. Its my understanding that Apple was the only thing available in most schools back then. Back then it was less clear as to whom would be used by everyone. Today thats clearer, and both systems are quite similar if not the same now. I learned Word, on a Mac in high school.
That has nothing to do with it. The core? The kernal? it has nothing to do with this. Thats like saying if Ford invented a brand new engine type, they must tell their competitors how it works, and produce it for free. Its silly. A company can make a product as it sees fit.
We're talking about bundled features with the OS and strict control over hardware, software and service.
Apple is allowed to do what Microsoft wishes they could.
"Anyway some of us on Slashdot actually enjoy the vendor lock-in provided by Apple strange as it may seem to you - less configuration, better support etc - so please don't try to spoil a perfectly valid business model for us. Remember if you don't like it there is a competitor that you can choose that is NINE TIMES bigger. "
EXACTLY.. See, there is my point.
BTW. I dont agree at all with the nine times bigger. That doesnt matter. What matters is market competition. MAC vs PC = same hardware, different software. They are two great options.
But anyways you proved my point. APPLE is good at locking people in, and most if not all users who buy Apple, are attracted to that "lock-in" that apple provides, because like you said its less configuration, better support etc.
Apple's all inclusive mentality is attractive! OK... so Why cant Microsoft offer an all inclusive experience?
It's not fair that one is allowed to do one thing, and the other is not. There is no reason to allow Apple an unfair advantage, while people sit around and claim Microsoft has an unfair advantage.
PERSONALLY... like you said... Apple users are attracted to that all inclusive mentality, and guess what... so are PC users but we live in a very fractured software world, where as Apple users live in a very complete software world were it interacts nicely and seamlessly provides a unifying experience. That unifying experience is a value to mac users!
To PC users though, its wrong. Its wrong for us Windows PC users, but not wrong for Mac users? AND its also the very reason many are leaving windows to go to apple.
Microsoft needs to be allowed to do whatever it must, but not at the expense of blocking other companies from writing competing software. That means, Microsoft can ship windows with an email program, but cant design windows in a way that blocks a user from installing a different email program.
JUST because something comes installed with an OS, does not make it prefered or anti competitive. Hell most Dell PC's come pre-installed with garbage i'll never use, and yet they're allowed to do it and microsoft cant.
Microsoft is damned if it does, damned if it does not. I'm tired of MS writing "example software" that ships with its os. By that i mean, software that has its balls cut off because they're terrorfied of being penalized again.
As long as you can still install firefox, eudora, thunderbird, aim... whatever.... MS should be allowed to bundle their software with the OS, and it should be comprehensive software.
LOOK at windows backup. they purposely limit its functionality, so that it ALMOST works as a solution... but it does not provide a solution at all because it's limited to a single back up job with very little options. Compare that with Apple's Time Machine... APPLE GETS AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE IT PROVIDES REAL FUNCTIONALITY THAT THE USERS LIKE!
Every peice of software included with windows, is example software. NONE of it has any serious functionality because they purposefully write it in a way that it does nothing useful. This is so the competition feels better about themselves.
Is Norton ghost crying foul at Apple's Time Machine? DOES ANYONE REALLY CARE? I'd rather have a nice solid backup solution built into my OS!!!
Instead we have windows 7 backup, which now allows you to select which files you want to back up, but it only allows you a single back up job. Lets say you only want files A B C to go to back up drive 1, and you want files D E F to go to back up drive 2. You cant do that with windows 7 backup because they're affraid of being called anti competitive.
And it leaves me wishing I owned a MAC with Apple's Time Machine.
SEE the problem?
It doesnt matter than 9 out of 10 computers are microsoft windows machines. Thats user preference. Users do have a choice you know!
No one is forcing me to buy a dell windows pc. I could go to the Apple store and by a MAC, which is the same exact hardware. Not only is it the same exact hardware, you cant service your hardware without bringing it to Apple and they dont allow anyone to sell "mac clones".
It does not matter at all how many people buy a product, if there is a choice in the market place. There will always be a prefered choice by the majority but that does not mean you have a monopoly. ESPECIALLY when the competition is allowed to do what you're not allowed to do. Thats unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine if microsoft made it so that windows only ran on microsoft hardware. Wouldnt that be illegal? Wouldnt dell be pissed off? Wouldnt ALL of the OEM's around the world go ape shit?. Well then why is Apple allowed to LOCK in, its os... to only hardware it sells?
Why is Apple allowed to bundle itunes, safari, mobile me, mail, ichat and many others, and Microsoft is told "you cant".
Why cant my iphone run firefox or opera's web-browser? Why cant I play FLAC in itunes????????
I dont care how many people buy a product. It really does not matter as long as there is competition. If anything it proves that EVEN if you try to lock in people like Apple does... you can still lose to competition.
Apple's entire company is based on them providing you a complete experience/service. They dont want you going outside the Apple walls, and they make it very hard to. Apple is so good at locking its users in to the Apple world, and it is the reason many people buy a MAC in the first place!
Windows 7 is honestly really good.
Why do people insist on demanding Microsoft live up to standards that Apple, and Linux arent asked to live up to?
Windows 7 doesnt even come with an email program now! Linux, and MAC OS come with an email program.
Mac OS comes with quicktime, and Microsoft gets called "anti competitive" because Media Player ships with windows!?
If windows didnt come with a web browser, how would download a competing web browser? ... or any other software option?
APPLE is JUST AS GUILTY if not worse, then any thing Microsoft has done in recent times. But Apple gets a free pass... WHY?
Just admit you hate Microsoft out of spite. It has very little to do with reality, and everything to do with personal bias.
Again... APPLE does far more to keep their users locked into "Apple's way". Apple is extremely closed in its workflow, applications and bundled software. It is Apple or nothing. And you know what... Thats what people like about the Mac!
No wonder Windows is falling so hard lately. They cant even do anything comprehensive without being called a "monopoly".
Microsoft is not a monopoly. Lets get over it. Apple's software runs on the same hardware. If anything Apple is far more closed, and controlling than windows has ever been.
Its really time to stop.
I'm all for making sure competition is fair, but not at the cost of a comprehensive environment / workflow. As long as you can use alternative software... I dont care how or what MS bundles with their OS, or what it builds into its OS. Just as long as its good.
Windows still runs exe's last i checked right?
Good. Then there will be alternatives to MS installed applications.
That's a fact... jack.
Funny, I just saw a new MAC commercial today where they said MACs dont get viruses.
White people are victims of racism too.
absolutely true. and my heart knows its so wrong for humanity.