Parent is right. It's total FUD.
If you're trying to make a buying decision between Peoplesoft and Oracle this makes Peoplesoft look much more uncertain. There may be a golden clause that enforces support for some period of time. But that doesn't mean that the PeopleSoft software will flourish in the future if Oracle buys it.
It's like telling a little kid that if his parents are killed in a car crash, he won't starve, because there's always the orphanage. All sales decisions are made emotionally anyway, people just do due dilligence to cover their butts. Stuff like this matters.
At the start of 2003 my company went through a grueling selection process, ultimately deciding between PeopleSoft and Oracle. If this were going on then it would have had an impact on the decision.
I'm glad to see this! The Justice Department decision may have come after a big campaign from PeopleSoft, but that doesn't mean that blocking it is a bad thing for consumers.
Working on Oracle Applications is like working in a gold mine: you've got to sift through 20 tons of mud to get 6 ounces of gold. Oracle needs healthy competition, and it could become a monopoly. I'd hate to see it become the the Microsoft of the ERP market.
I prefer to not use a box. I get great heat dissipation that way. I've got my diskless nodes on a rack I bought for $3.99 at the container store that's used for drying dishes.
The nation doesn't feel very homogeneous if you're born in, say, New York City, and happen to be in South Georgia when they start playing Dixie songs. Recently I was in Atlanta during fourth of July, and the rednecks were really whipped into a cheering frenzy when the show started playing Dixie and showing pictures of Robert E Lee.
Another generation of television and videogames is needed help homogenize the nation further.
Among the groups who could use a supercomputer they listed churches. I wonder what a church would want to do with a supercomputer for a day or a weekend?
Why didn't they think of this in the first place
Another take on answering that question... originally processors were conceived to have data and programs separate. It wasn't until Von Neumann that someone proposed putting the data and programs in the same place.
You mentioned lazy programmers, and having Java crush your performance.
In my experience with Java, perceiving that the language is crushing performance is often a symptom of the programmers becoming lethargic and lazy. Perhaps you're having the same experience and don't realize it?
You might feel it's not serious software, but SAP runs on MySQL, for example.
I'm not so sure about your stored procedure statement, either. If you're trying to develop batabase agnostic software, a reasonable approach is to avoid stored procedures. At least, until there's a widely implemented cross-database stored procedure language, that's a reasonable approach.
At the same time, though, it's often easier to just say "Sure, let's use MS SQL," go with the flow, and collect your check. It beats working on open software with pride while collecting unemployment. Part of some people's resistance to switching databases may have to do with their perceived investment in having people trained in a particular product (like MS Sql Server) and having relationships and support infrastructure in place.
Can you download VMWare on Kazaa like you can 3DS and Adobe?
I'm not advocating piracy, but I would like to point out that a wad of cash isn't always involved when someone's running expensive software. And some software is more easily pirated than others.
It's not that so much as the time and resources that will be needed to re-developing things running in a Windows-only environment today.
It takes some time to create and roll out new solutions.
An example of a "deeper part" of the organization might be a call center supervisor who uses a vendor's Windows app to monitor and control call routing. Or perhaps internally developed applications in Windows to do things like print quotes for customers. There's all kinds of things they might be using Windows only software for right now other than word processing.
IBM could port Notes to Linux. They had native versions for OS/2 before. The server side is a console app, and the client side can be done on web browsers.
I wonder if Project works under WINE? There's also the possibility of Citrix servers.
You're right though, it'll be very difficult for them to be completely off of Windows by 2005.
They did bend over backwards to get themselves on OS/2 though. But OS/2 had nice Windows emulation, which was key to their ability to do that. I've never played with WINE, perhaps it's as good as OS/2 warp was at the time.
This is exactly right. They're still embarassed and humilated by their OS/2 thing.
When I worked at IBM in the mid 90's, everybody had OS/2 on their desktops, and used Word Perfect and Lotus Notes. It took a lot of gaul for them to use that stuff internally (I still think Notes was awesome, but Word Perfect was a pain in a Word world).
So they've got the intestinal fortitude to pull this off, but they memory of their OS/2 humiliation is too fresh for them to fail to realize that it might not work out.
Fascinating. But help me understand how I shouldn't think this is all a lot of doubletalk when there's color calibration dots that are showing up in the wrong color?
It seems to me that there's some physical little dots of known color there for the purpose of calibrating color, but there's in the wrong color.
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Parent is right. It's total FUD. If you're trying to make a buying decision between Peoplesoft and Oracle this makes Peoplesoft look much more uncertain. There may be a golden clause that enforces support for some period of time. But that doesn't mean that the PeopleSoft software will flourish in the future if Oracle buys it. It's like telling a little kid that if his parents are killed in a car crash, he won't starve, because there's always the orphanage. All sales decisions are made emotionally anyway, people just do due dilligence to cover their butts. Stuff like this matters. At the start of 2003 my company went through a grueling selection process, ultimately deciding between PeopleSoft and Oracle. If this were going on then it would have had an impact on the decision.
This isn't about the database market, it's about the ERP market. In that market, some things Oracle has done are cause for concern.
I'm glad to see this! The Justice Department decision may have come after a big campaign from PeopleSoft, but that doesn't mean that blocking it is a bad thing for consumers. Working on Oracle Applications is like working in a gold mine: you've got to sift through 20 tons of mud to get 6 ounces of gold. Oracle needs healthy competition, and it could become a monopoly. I'd hate to see it become the the Microsoft of the ERP market.
I prefer to not use a box. I get great heat dissipation that way. I've got my diskless nodes on a rack I bought for $3.99 at the container store that's used for drying dishes.
For SETI, I'd need about 33 of my Pentium 133's to equal the performance of one of my AMD 2500's.
We replace "Chance" and "Community Chest" with... "Oh no! I've got to draw another VIRUS CARD"
Just for my own education: Then why didn't Microsoft break Linux in the same way, since Linux is a much bigger threat to them than Java?
The nation doesn't feel very homogeneous if you're born in, say, New York City, and happen to be in South Georgia when they start playing Dixie songs. Recently I was in Atlanta during fourth of July, and the rednecks were really whipped into a cheering frenzy when the show started playing Dixie and showing pictures of Robert E Lee. Another generation of television and videogames is needed help homogenize the nation further.
Haha yeah. Hey, didn't the country formerly known as Iraq pirate a lot of MS software?
In the cards I'm familiar with you are charged a one-time percentage rate for the cash taken out, plus a higher interest rate for the cash as well.
I doubt the robot cares much about how you look.
Shadowbane and Dark Age of Camelot do this, although it gets pretty bad over, say, 200 people.
Among the groups who could use a supercomputer they listed churches. I wonder what a church would want to do with a supercomputer for a day or a weekend?
Why didn't they think of this in the first place Another take on answering that question... originally processors were conceived to have data and programs separate. It wasn't until Von Neumann that someone proposed putting the data and programs in the same place.
We just don't see a lot of bluetooth wireless products at Best Buy.
You mentioned lazy programmers, and having Java crush your performance. In my experience with Java, perceiving that the language is crushing performance is often a symptom of the programmers becoming lethargic and lazy. Perhaps you're having the same experience and don't realize it?
Any serious SQL based piece of software...
You might feel it's not serious software, but SAP runs on MySQL, for example.
I'm not so sure about your stored procedure statement, either. If you're trying to develop batabase agnostic software, a reasonable approach is to avoid stored procedures. At least, until there's a widely implemented cross-database stored procedure language, that's a reasonable approach.
At the same time, though, it's often easier to just say "Sure, let's use MS SQL," go with the flow, and collect your check. It beats working on open software with pride while collecting unemployment. Part of some people's resistance to switching databases may have to do with their perceived investment in having people trained in a particular product (like MS Sql Server) and having relationships and support infrastructure in place.
Can you download VMWare on Kazaa like you can 3DS and Adobe? I'm not advocating piracy, but I would like to point out that a wad of cash isn't always involved when someone's running expensive software. And some software is more easily pirated than others.
It's not that so much as the time and resources that will be needed to re-developing things running in a Windows-only environment today. It takes some time to create and roll out new solutions.
An example of a "deeper part" of the organization might be a call center supervisor who uses a vendor's Windows app to monitor and control call routing. Or perhaps internally developed applications in Windows to do things like print quotes for customers. There's all kinds of things they might be using Windows only software for right now other than word processing.
IBM could port Notes to Linux. They had native versions for OS/2 before. The server side is a console app, and the client side can be done on web browsers. I wonder if Project works under WINE? There's also the possibility of Citrix servers. You're right though, it'll be very difficult for them to be completely off of Windows by 2005. They did bend over backwards to get themselves on OS/2 though. But OS/2 had nice Windows emulation, which was key to their ability to do that. I've never played with WINE, perhaps it's as good as OS/2 warp was at the time.
This is exactly right. They're still embarassed and humilated by their OS/2 thing. When I worked at IBM in the mid 90's, everybody had OS/2 on their desktops, and used Word Perfect and Lotus Notes. It took a lot of gaul for them to use that stuff internally (I still think Notes was awesome, but Word Perfect was a pain in a Word world). So they've got the intestinal fortitude to pull this off, but they memory of their OS/2 humiliation is too fresh for them to fail to realize that it might not work out.
Except for getting the colors right on the pictures.
Fascinating. But help me understand how I shouldn't think this is all a lot of doubletalk when there's color calibration dots that are showing up in the wrong color? It seems to me that there's some physical little dots of known color there for the purpose of calibrating color, but there's in the wrong color.
This is science, though, right? I remember back in the day we used to focus on facts.