No doubt! And are you as distrubed as I am that this tech company has no idea how to use a software repository product like CMVC?? C'mon! I work in Config Mgmt and have used about half a dozen products to date it's not rocket science on how to use. Basic functions are about the same across the board.
To be fair, I imagine this is more that the lawyers don't know how to get the information they want... but still.
I read some of it and the biggest assumption was that probes would travel at most 1/10 the speed of light.
I think if you're going to go through the trouble of writing a paper like this it would be interesting to consider an FTL scenario as well. Say compare the numbers for 1/10c, c, and 10c. But then again, what would the realistic assumption be on speed?
I would totally buy one, no two, one for each of my kids. Even at double the price it's a fair deal and it would feel great to know that somewhere out there is the twin of that machine that some other child is using.
I really hope it does become available in developed countries in the way that you mention. I think that's a fantastic way to contribute.
IANAL but I also thought you can't let someone commit a crime for the purpose of convicting them on a greater crime. Like having an undercover posing as a hitman, I thought you can't let the criminal commit murder when planning it is already a crime. Just a side thought.
Anyways, there seems to be alot of focus on who owns the email when this has to do with process. If you want to tap my phone or open my snail mail you need a warrant (speaking in Canada that is) now why can't that apply to email? Why does it have to be so different all the time?
No no no, it was directed at MGM wanting the commercial domain for a project. The guy with the WarGames.com domain is in the right in my opinion. That's why I was agreeing with the poster otherwise I would have disagreed.
You know what, you're absolutely correct. MGM, is the commercial entity WarGames2 is just a project. But the reality is TLD's are given out like riddilin to school kids and everyone wants a.com and no one cares if you're valid using.com TLD when you should have a.net. Well, at least no one with money cares. I just don't know how something like this gets fixed.
But for those who feel like doing something, just fire an email to MGM tell them you don't like this and then boycott their films and better yet raise the profile of their actions to local media. People in general don't like it when the big guy puts the squeeze on the little guy so leverage that.
No doubt, sounds like the strap is in fact mal-adjusted and possibly sociopathic. If had a breakdown and made someone leave someone elses hands then I'd at least be a very angry person.
Ok, maybe I humanize inanimate objects too much.
Serious note, it would be interesting to read how the claim is worded and what it claims. Until that comes there really is only speculation. If you buy something and it breaks early in it's usage and the company is willing to fix it you should be happy. There's probably way more to this, I'm curious if it will be baseless or not.
Nonsense. I'm just as entitled to say whatever I want whether I'm speaking for myself or my employer. If I lie, and it causes you some harm, then there's a whole body of tort law to deal with it. You missed what I'm trying to say. I'm not talking about what you may or may not say in a public blog about how things are going in your company or about what you say at a private party. I'm not saying I want people to always tell the truth. DUH, what you do privately of your own will is your business and I don't give a crap. But, if your company pays you do that by going into non-business situations and engage in some activity that promotes the company's, it's products or services then it's an advertisement. We can come up with all types of things to blur lines to work around the semantics (oh but what about the sales guy!). I'll still maintain that any person paid directly or indirectly or contractually held to say certain things for or about a company for the purpose of promoting that company in a context or medium that is not designated for the purpose of advertisement or sales. You could tell everyone "research it" or "file a lawsuit" but these things simply aren't practical. Once something is posted on the net it gets reposted, copy-pasted, forwarded, ad infinitum. To this day I still have people forwarding me that stupid Hoaxes that have been debunked long ago and take a look at the number of duplicate videos on youtube.
Let's recap. You a person, feel free to speak, write, blog as you will; I will defend that right to free speech. A company on the other hand, when it communicates is commercial speech and should be identified as such when it could be misconstruted as something that's not commercial speech or a press release, like a viral video. A persons rights are sacrement and businesses rights are whatever the public feels is appropriate for what the public needs at that time. If we (the public) say we need to regulate how a company conducts it's outgoing communications then it should get regulated by law. No changes to or amendments to presonal rights necessary.
There is a huge difference here, imagine trying to establish fraud. If a company hires someone to put up a website with some fanboy going "W00t this product r0x0r!" It's not necessarily fraud, the person may legitimatel feels that way about the product. But it is deceptive and it's intent is to sell the product. By regulation I mean properly labelling these things as being advertising sites or videos. All I want, is to know when a company is endorsing, sponsoring, or behind one of these things and stiff fines or punishment when they are not being up front.
I agree, not to mention there is always a social engineering aspect to viral marketing that I don't like. For me this is a simple case of "If it's advertising, I deserve to know it". An individual totally has the right to say what they want. But if that individual is being directed to say that by a corporation then I deserve to know that.
Now the problem is say "regulate something related to the internet" and it draws flames. But this should be easily regulated to corporations and marketing firms.
Oh and forget viral videos and websites, in major population centers marketing firms hire people who mingle in groups to do this.
Free speech should be for people, anything that is "said" by a business should be regulated. Consider this, disclosure prevents leaking information out about anything that could affect your stock price ahead of your official financial statements. That's regulated for a reason. If a corporation is trying to generate hype and calling it "viral marketing" is a lie in my books. The corporation is advertising through viral marketing and I as a consumer deserve to know when I'm looking at a fictionalized account for the purpose of advertising or if I'm looking at the real deal. I deserve to know if a company is trying to sell me something but disguising it as something else.
It's not business men that are the problem. It's a combination of large corporations, stock expectations, consumer consumption, profit and investment funds.
People don't want to retire with no money and you can't hedge against inflation by keeping it a bank so people invest in funds. Funds are managed by firms who are only interested in the performance of stocks. Stock performance is driven by corporate profit. People need to buy new stuff all the time because old stuff is old (not broken, just old). Increase profit by cutting costs; currently many non-polluting technologies are too costly. Large corporations lobby governments too keep themselves as deregulated as possible for free that regulation would cause a dip in stock price. All of these are functioning with a group mentality and without regard for some of the consequences that arise.
Anyways, if you want change you need your government to regulate something in this mix. If they won't do it, vote for someone else and convince others to do the same.
Semantically, you might be right. We (humans) did not intervene but we did interfere with the natural course. The Yangtze river is highly polluted. Admittingly China is trying to curb the pollution but it could be a matter of too little too late (or just plain propaganda).
You need to get your DEV to generate a package of software that's installable against their last release. That package goes to your QA to install in the QA environment as per the installation instructions that go with the package. If QA says the package is good send it up to your production/application/sys admins to install on the live system.
The key is to keep the process simple but never, ever let your DEV have access to your live production system unless it's a break/fix scenario and the admin is looking over their shoulder to see what's changing. My experience is that when DEV has access to the production system unaccounted changes will crop up like crazy and weird subsystems start to form in DEV owned areas. I saw a full application being run out of a programmers personal schema in a database; which of course crapped out while they were away. Not good.
Actually the real problem is deeper. Viral marketing is at it's least lame but at it's worst it's a form of social engineering. You might not even be aware that you're being targetted. These firms plant people on message boards, the internet, or even just walking down the street acting "normal" but really they are pushing a brand on you. Advertising and marketing should be clearly identified for what they are; simply put it needs to be regulated. Without proper regulation this is turning into a matter of shaping public opinion through sheer fabrication and this one example is highlight of such.
Think about how many youths started to form an opinion about the psp based upon this website. Forget a hands on experience with the product. Now I, Joe Consumer, want this because someone else does and look at the lengths they go through to get one.
I'm not trying to jump up and down on the poster but saying how crappy the site looks is glossing over that there is a problem with viral marketing and you can do something about it by asking your politicians to regulate if not ban viral marketing. I imagine I'll get flamed for saying such a thing but everyone deserves to know if what they are experiencing is in fact intended to make them by a product. Oh and yes, I know it's broad to say such a thing and what about toys based upon movies and such... but something has to be done at some point.
I know! Fighting off the inevitable robot revolution would be so much easier if they don't know how to hide. In fact, they should announce their presence at regular intervals!
Unit 6: "It is time to open fire on the human infidels."
Unit 7: "Wait first we must turn on our transponders."
Unit 6: "But won't that make it easier for them to target us"
Unit 7: "Illogical, we must follow our programming!"
Unit 6: "No, really this sounds a bit suicidal..."
Sound of much robot destruction.
I concur! The one thing I like about folks in my office is that they are right there and I can walk over and get their attention and talk to get things done. I can communicate far more in 1 minute of face to face than 100 emails. (That and I'm lazy so when I go to someone's desk they know it's important!)
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No doubt! And are you as distrubed as I am that this tech company has no idea how to use a software repository product like CMVC?? C'mon! I work in Config Mgmt and have used about half a dozen products to date it's not rocket science on how to use. Basic functions are about the same across the board.
To be fair, I imagine this is more that the lawyers don't know how to get the information they want... but still.
Truly, it was fluke. I started to comment on the GP before I read further down.
I read some of it and the biggest assumption was that probes would travel at most 1/10 the speed of light.
I think if you're going to go through the trouble of writing a paper like this it would be interesting to consider an FTL scenario as well. Say compare the numbers for 1/10c, c, and 10c. But then again, what would the realistic assumption be on speed?
I would totally buy one, no two, one for each of my kids. Even at double the price it's a fair deal and it would feel great to know that somewhere out there is the twin of that machine that some other child is using.
I really hope it does become available in developed countries in the way that you mention. I think that's a fantastic way to contribute.
Well put!
IANAL but I also thought you can't let someone commit a crime for the purpose of convicting them on a greater crime. Like having an undercover posing as a hitman, I thought you can't let the criminal commit murder when planning it is already a crime. Just a side thought.
Anyways, there seems to be alot of focus on who owns the email when this has to do with process. If you want to tap my phone or open my snail mail you need a warrant (speaking in Canada that is) now why can't that apply to email? Why does it have to be so different all the time?
No no no, it was directed at MGM wanting the commercial domain for a project. The guy with the WarGames.com domain is in the right in my opinion. That's why I was agreeing with the poster otherwise I would have disagreed.
Well, I am offering to others to do something about it if they feel so inclined.
Do something has way more meaning than doing nothing at all and far more than just being negative.
You know what, you're absolutely correct. MGM, is the commercial entity WarGames2 is just a project. But the reality is TLD's are given out like riddilin to school kids and everyone wants a .com and no one cares if you're valid using .com TLD when you should have a .net. Well, at least no one with money cares. I just don't know how something like this gets fixed.
But for those who feel like doing something, just fire an email to MGM tell them you don't like this and then boycott their films and better yet raise the profile of their actions to local media. People in general don't like it when the big guy puts the squeeze on the little guy so leverage that.
No doubt, sounds like the strap is in fact mal-adjusted and possibly sociopathic. If had a breakdown and made someone leave someone elses hands then I'd at least be a very angry person.
Ok, maybe I humanize inanimate objects too much.
Serious note, it would be interesting to read how the claim is worded and what it claims. Until that comes there really is only speculation. If you buy something and it breaks early in it's usage and the company is willing to fix it you should be happy. There's probably way more to this, I'm curious if it will be baseless or not.
Eww, so wrong, so many bad, bad jokes. It's not fair! How do I begin??? Damn you, slashdot for bringing this up on a Monday!
Let's recap. You a person, feel free to speak, write, blog as you will; I will defend that right to free speech. A company on the other hand, when it communicates is commercial speech and should be identified as such when it could be misconstruted as something that's not commercial speech or a press release, like a viral video. A persons rights are sacrement and businesses rights are whatever the public feels is appropriate for what the public needs at that time. If we (the public) say we need to regulate how a company conducts it's outgoing communications then it should get regulated by law. No changes to or amendments to presonal rights necessary.
I couldn't have said this better myself.
I hate this whole free speech arguement being brought in. It's a business producing commercial speech it should be regulated as such!
Well said!
There is a huge difference here, imagine trying to establish fraud. If a company hires someone to put up a website with some fanboy going "W00t this product r0x0r!" It's not necessarily fraud, the person may legitimatel feels that way about the product. But it is deceptive and it's intent is to sell the product. By regulation I mean properly labelling these things as being advertising sites or videos. All I want, is to know when a company is endorsing, sponsoring, or behind one of these things and stiff fines or punishment when they are not being up front.
I agree, not to mention there is always a social engineering aspect to viral marketing that I don't like. For me this is a simple case of "If it's advertising, I deserve to know it". An individual totally has the right to say what they want. But if that individual is being directed to say that by a corporation then I deserve to know that.
Now the problem is say "regulate something related to the internet" and it draws flames. But this should be easily regulated to corporations and marketing firms.
Oh and forget viral videos and websites, in major population centers marketing firms hire people who mingle in groups to do this.
Free speech should be for people, anything that is "said" by a business should be regulated. Consider this, disclosure prevents leaking information out about anything that could affect your stock price ahead of your official financial statements. That's regulated for a reason. If a corporation is trying to generate hype and calling it "viral marketing" is a lie in my books. The corporation is advertising through viral marketing and I as a consumer deserve to know when I'm looking at a fictionalized account for the purpose of advertising or if I'm looking at the real deal. I deserve to know if a company is trying to sell me something but disguising it as something else.
It's not business men that are the problem. It's a combination of large corporations, stock expectations, consumer consumption, profit and investment funds.
People don't want to retire with no money and you can't hedge against inflation by keeping it a bank so people invest in funds. Funds are managed by firms who are only interested in the performance of stocks. Stock performance is driven by corporate profit. People need to buy new stuff all the time because old stuff is old (not broken, just old). Increase profit by cutting costs; currently many non-polluting technologies are too costly. Large corporations lobby governments too keep themselves as deregulated as possible for free that regulation would cause a dip in stock price. All of these are functioning with a group mentality and without regard for some of the consequences that arise.
Anyways, if you want change you need your government to regulate something in this mix. If they won't do it, vote for someone else and convince others to do the same.
Semantically, you might be right. We (humans) did not intervene but we did interfere with the natural course. The Yangtze river is highly polluted. Admittingly China is trying to curb the pollution but it could be a matter of too little too late (or just plain propaganda).
You need to get your DEV to generate a package of software that's installable against their last release. That package goes to your QA to install in the QA environment as per the installation instructions that go with the package. If QA says the package is good send it up to your production/application/sys admins to install on the live system.
The key is to keep the process simple but never, ever let your DEV have access to your live production system unless it's a break/fix scenario and the admin is looking over their shoulder to see what's changing. My experience is that when DEV has access to the production system unaccounted changes will crop up like crazy and weird subsystems start to form in DEV owned areas. I saw a full application being run out of a programmers personal schema in a database; which of course crapped out while they were away. Not good.
Actually the real problem is deeper. Viral marketing is at it's least lame but at it's worst it's a form of social engineering. You might not even be aware that you're being targetted. These firms plant people on message boards, the internet, or even just walking down the street acting "normal" but really they are pushing a brand on you. Advertising and marketing should be clearly identified for what they are; simply put it needs to be regulated. Without proper regulation this is turning into a matter of shaping public opinion through sheer fabrication and this one example is highlight of such.
Think about how many youths started to form an opinion about the psp based upon this website. Forget a hands on experience with the product. Now I, Joe Consumer, want this because someone else does and look at the lengths they go through to get one.
I'm not trying to jump up and down on the poster but saying how crappy the site looks is glossing over that there is a problem with viral marketing and you can do something about it by asking your politicians to regulate if not ban viral marketing. I imagine I'll get flamed for saying such a thing but everyone deserves to know if what they are experiencing is in fact intended to make them by a product. Oh and yes, I know it's broad to say such a thing and what about toys based upon movies and such... but something has to be done at some point.
Silly Rabbit, that's because Marketing is Marketing (and highly effective no the herds of mindless sheep that buy into that stuff).
"She poisoned my with sci-ence"
If you thought that was bad I could have posted an obligatory Simpsons reference: "Mmmm, Polonium. D'OH!"
I know! Fighting off the inevitable robot revolution would be so much easier if they don't know how to hide. In fact, they should announce their presence at regular intervals!
Unit 6: "It is time to open fire on the human infidels."
Unit 7: "Wait first we must turn on our transponders."
Unit 6: "But won't that make it easier for them to target us"
Unit 7: "Illogical, we must follow our programming!"
Unit 6: "No, really this sounds a bit suicidal..."
Sound of much robot destruction.
Ah yes the principles of slashdot editing at work again.
If there was a celebrity deathmatch between 6 and 7 of 9 who would win? Or would there be a 69?? Whoa, freudian slip I think...
I concur! The one thing I like about folks in my office is that they are right there and I can walk over and get their attention and talk to get things done. I can communicate far more in 1 minute of face to face than 100 emails. (That and I'm lazy so when I go to someone's desk they know it's important!)