The trick lies in the fact that since it can't tell the difference between a ripped DiVX and your home movies it will just not play either of them.
I did not RTFA, per/. protocol, but I speculate that this (if it is really DRM as we have come to understand it) will be how they do it. Unless it is trusted media, and can be verified to be legally playable (licensed) by you it will not play.
That is the crux of the matter with DRM, especially to me. DRM is fine, but the fact that my own music I produce won't play on such players without the DRM key/watermark (which I assume I'd have to pay for, per client license or a whole lump sum i could never afford...perhaps both) then I am once again ousted from the music industry market. But not because of lack of equipment, lack of songs, or lack of proper know-how to get these things available online...but because I lack the $$$ required to secure my music as 'trusted'...*bam*, RIAA distro monopoly back in business.
Wow...you just gave me flashbacks of procomm, 1200baud and WWIV.
I was a Telegard guy, and then Renegade once v3.0 took forever...
Once I compiled my own version from the Telegard v2.5i (pascal) source, with my own menu files and menu structures...but it was too buggy for real use;)
Then gettin' that bitch to run under OS/2, and discovering the joys of ray gwynn's IO driver (sio?)...viola, BBS and Doom running at fullspeed...
Maybe I just tend to be nostalgic, but, them were the good old days.
When will people learn not to shove thier morals down others throats?
It calms me, somewhat, that people do stuff like This... when I stumbled across that I couldnt stop crackin up for hours every time the idea passed thru my head....You should see thier other auctions.
This may specifically offend a certain select few people specifically....but that is only the same as I feel they are doin to me.
from the web page had me in hysterics for a good 20 minutes straight:
Setup & usage
Before you run Bfm you should setup bfm.conf and change the settings the way you want. It is recommended to enable safe mode unless you really want to remove files and before you know how Bfm works. The shotgun for instance spreads its shots in a cone which you should be aware of.
Wile I dont believe tat subliminal messaes are effective in audio, I ave experimented wit brainwave syncronization. Very very interestin stuff, and partially explains wy some people like te music tat tey do....or at least provides (possible) correlation between personality and preferred mindset.
o ya, btw, my keyboard is obviously broken.
I really wish there was more conversation in this thread. It's been on the frontpage all day and I still only have 17 commens over my threshold.
I blame the colour scheme.
As do I.
I checked out a couple of the leads I was given, and I am honestly shocked at the features and finish of the programs (sorry to sound cynical, but append "for open source" to that sentence....not that OSS is inherently worse, but, it's a volunteer system and as such I find such efforts astounding)... but it all still lacks the 'all in one' nature of what I am looking for, and I am no slouch when it comes to jumping through hoops to integrating different (totally unintegrated) packages, formats and interfaces into my productions.
But once again, thanks for all the feedback, I'll be tracking these programs progress from here on out.
Enough about the fucking handle. Yeah, it seems like a silly idea, but so did the handle on my GambeCube...which i now find insanely useful for transport between the upstairs and downstairs (big) TV. While I can't immediately come up with an analogue to what problem this handle solves, it surely costs an insignifigant amount which is easily trumped the first time you use the goddamn handle.
So please only find the "printer for women" insulting if you find the notion of women's shampoo, socks, towels, cars, hair dye, and paper towels insulting.
In fact, I do find these ideas insulting. Just as I find the idea of rebadging a car (or any other product) insulting.
While I understand the marketing aspect of it entirely (and for cars there is the average-corperate-fuel-economy motivation) that doesn't make it any less insulting to me that the same exact product is offered in a different color, different branding, or different packaging merely to appeal to a different market segment.
Perception is not tantamount to reality.
Specs should speak all truths in all scenarios...but i dare you to remove the intuitive aspect of perception from the logical aspect.....Thus explaining the drive of these companies to offer the same product as a niche marketed product.
While I kinda agree with what you are saying, I don't so much agree with how you are saying it.
As has been pointed out many times in this thread already, women seem to be brought up to be "less mechanically/technically savvy"...how many times have you been on a date with a woman who you swear couldn't possibly make it through life acting as dumb as she is to you?
My mother taught me how to drive a manual transmission. I have yet to see a man or woman as capable at driving a 5-speed as my mother.....is she a special case example? Doubtfull.
Blame society, blame social norms, blame your parents....but for fucks sake, don't blame the innate technical aptitude of women. That's just illogical.
I started a small LLC with a good friend of mine about 2 years ago.
At first things went slowly. We finally made the transition from working full time at another job and part time at our own to part-time at one and part-time at another.
Then we made the jump and quit the 'backup plan'...
Things went well for the first few months, ~$75,000 in sales, lots of random wire jobs, a couple deployments...we were wracking up quite the numbers in the business account.
Then we hit a very long slump of 'no work'... most of our steady revenue came from not-for-profits, and it was the time of year when they had to preserve what remained of their budgets... we got slightly stressed. The business account slowly dwindled, and we paid our selves less and less each week. I expected times like that, I was fine... but my partner/best friend of years and years didn't take it quite so well.
He then picked up a full time job, assuming we'd never work again.
A day after he starts at his new job I get a call with a job offer for us. a 1 month contract for XP upgrades/deployments.
Murphy's Law in action...
That slight spike in our business made him quit his new job, we complete the contract and were okay for a couple months. Then we hit another lull, which I planned for. He claims to have had another job...
It ends up he was taking calls from customers, doing all the work himself and keeping all of the proceeds accordingly. When confonted on the issue he claimed that he had to because splitting the profits wasn't paying him enough to keep his head above water financially.
This was enough to ask him to have our articles of incorperation and tax license rewritten, excluding me.
And this was a very close friend of a very long time. I now refuse to ever deal with him in any circumstance now.
My main point being that certain people under financial or mental duress panic. I would have preferred to have never found this out and kept a friend. Like a previous poster has already said "You can't really eliminate a reletive from your life so easily."
Tread carefully. I have seen it work out before, I have also worked with a handful of relatives before. The accusations of nepotism were rampant. And if you think inter-office politics are scummy now, just try it when it involves girlfriends, friends, and/or relatives.
Jusy my $0.02 Take with an appropriate amount of salt.
While I know that this is more of a compositing program--at least from what I read so far...as I have shamefully not RTFA--I'm going to take this opportunity to bitch about the one thing that has been keeping me from making the switch to Linux for all these years:
Audio Apps
I'm no industry elitist that demands ProTools. in fact, I hate protools. The interface leaves much to be desires...granted, i'll buffer that (admittedly harsh) opinion: I'm a huge fan of CoolEditPro.....("eww, PC audio"...I can hear it already),
The underlying audio subsystems are a far cry from what windows offers. And what I experienced with in my limiting dealings with aRTS leaves much to be desired. (Think: latency) And I'm sure that has a lot to do with it....(why hasn't ASIO or an equiv been implemented yet?)
Aside from that all I ask for is a simple audio production suite where i can record something, and then playback and record something else. Simple full-duplex operation. I've been doing it in Windows for over 7 years now.....hell, I did it in DOS with my GUS 11 years ago.
Toss in a little simple single-track editing, some simple effects (Chorus/Flange, Dynamics processing, simple verb and delay, etc) and maintain development of the project and you've won yourself a full-fledged permenent windows convert.....and i'm willing to bet I'm not the only one.
Am I just out of touch? Is there already software out there that does this?
I have a feeling that developers of many DRM schemes dread, and would rather avoid, such independent review of their systems.
I whole heartedly agree with you. The ironic part seems to be that this could only strengthen security...and if nothing else, development and testing time.(ie: OSS, et al)
While most of us here fully understand that DRM's primary purpose is to create a lock on content (distribution and--the part that affects me personally--creation. Think: 'DRM watermark' and having to pay for DRM-watermark certification...per client/license even, maybe)
The simple fact that consumer grade equipment, a little software and a little know how can create some extremely professional results (in audio, video, 3D/animation) seems to play a big part in it.
The bigger part must be the ease of distribution you are granted when 'going digital.'
Think about it - For little more than the price I already paid for my recording equipment, my internet connection and hosting service (and of course the time involved) I can have a professional quality album on hundreds of sites to thousands of users around the world in minutes.
I can do all of this without the aid of the RIAA, major labels, payola for radio support, or even 'knowing somebody'.....
The 'equal playing field' this provides means my music downloaded from any random site is being judged on one factor, and one factor alone: Quality.
Slashdot Mirror
The trick lies in the fact that since it can't tell the difference between a ripped DiVX and your home movies it will just not play either of them.
/. protocol, but I speculate that this (if it is really DRM as we have come to understand it) will be how they do it. Unless it is trusted media, and can be verified to be legally playable (licensed) by you it will not play.
I did not RTFA, per
That is the crux of the matter with DRM, especially to me. DRM is fine, but the fact that my own music I produce won't play on such players without the DRM key/watermark (which I assume I'd have to pay for, per client license or a whole lump sum i could never afford...perhaps both) then I am once again ousted from the music industry market. But not because of lack of equipment, lack of songs, or lack of proper know-how to get these things available online...but because I lack the $$$ required to secure my music as 'trusted'...*bam*, RIAA distro monopoly back in business.
I'm on your side, and I agree...but, this sounds an awful lot like circumvention of an encryption device.
Wow...you just gave me flashbacks of procomm, 1200baud and WWIV.
;)
I was a Telegard guy, and then Renegade once v3.0 took forever...
Once I compiled my own version from the Telegard v2.5i (pascal) source, with my own menu files and menu structures...but it was too buggy for real use
Then gettin' that bitch to run under OS/2, and discovering the joys of ray gwynn's IO driver (sio?)...viola, BBS and Doom running at fullspeed...
Maybe I just tend to be nostalgic, but, them were the good old days.
When will people learn not to shove thier morals down others throats? It calms me, somewhat, that people do stuff like This ... when I stumbled across that I couldnt stop crackin up for hours every time the idea passed thru my head....You should see thier other auctions.
This may specifically offend a certain select few people specifically....but that is only the same as I feel they are doin to me.
Aw, Suck it up man...domain names are for girls. Ive been using nothing but IP addresses for years now.
Though, I do wish I could quit dreamin numerically.
from the web page had me in hysterics for a good 20 minutes straight:
Setup & usage Before you run Bfm you should setup bfm.conf and change the settings the way you want. It is recommended to enable safe mode unless you really want to remove files and before you know how Bfm works. The shotgun for instance spreads its shots in a cone which you should be aware of.
unedited...
Wile I dont believe tat subliminal messaes are effective in audio, I ave experimented wit brainwave syncronization. Very very interestin stuff, and partially explains wy some people like te music tat tey do....or at least provides (possible) correlation between personality and preferred mindset. o ya, btw, my keyboard is obviously broken.
btw, [my] first-drunken-post.
w00t!
I can feel it. An assortment victories like this, summed up over time will cause even contented 'joe six packs' to take notice.
Granted, the ARIA is fudging the figures to jibe with their party line...but I expected that anyone.
...their distribution-enforced monopoly is slowly slipping away.
I really wish there was more conversation in this thread. It's been on the frontpage all day and I still only have 17 commens over my threshold. I blame the colour scheme.
As do I. I checked out a couple of the leads I was given, and I am honestly shocked at the features and finish of the programs (sorry to sound cynical, but append "for open source" to that sentence....not that OSS is inherently worse, but, it's a volunteer system and as such I find such efforts astounding)... but it all still lacks the 'all in one' nature of what I am looking for, and I am no slouch when it comes to jumping through hoops to integrating different (totally unintegrated) packages, formats and interfaces into my productions.
But once again, thanks for all the feedback, I'll be tracking these programs progress from here on out.
Enough about the fucking handle. Yeah, it seems like a silly idea, but so did the handle on my GambeCube...which i now find insanely useful for transport between the upstairs and downstairs (big) TV. While I can't immediately come up with an analogue to what problem this handle solves, it surely costs an insignifigant amount which is easily trumped the first time you use the goddamn handle.
So please only find the "printer for women" insulting if you find the notion of women's shampoo, socks, towels, cars, hair dye, and paper towels insulting.
In fact, I do find these ideas insulting. Just as I find the idea of rebadging a car (or any other product) insulting.
While I understand the marketing aspect of it entirely (and for cars there is the average-corperate-fuel-economy motivation) that doesn't make it any less insulting to me that the same exact product is offered in a different color, different branding, or different packaging merely to appeal to a different market segment.
Perception is not tantamount to reality.
Specs should speak all truths in all scenarios...but i dare you to remove the intuitive aspect of perception from the logical aspect.....Thus explaining the drive of these companies to offer the same product as a niche marketed product.
While I kinda agree with what you are saying, I don't so much agree with how you are saying it.
As has been pointed out many times in this thread already, women seem to be brought up to be "less mechanically/technically savvy"...how many times have you been on a date with a woman who you swear couldn't possibly make it through life acting as dumb as she is to you?
My mother taught me how to drive a manual transmission. I have yet to see a man or woman as capable at driving a 5-speed as my mother.....is she a special case example? Doubtfull.
Blame society, blame social norms, blame your parents....but for fucks sake, don't blame the innate technical aptitude of women. That's just illogical.
OOOoooohhh, I get it....nevermind.
We wouldn't want the chick to read that comment and get the wrong idea about all of us geeks.
come on guys? mod parent up. I've already seen far more inane (and preposterously sexist) comments +5 Funny.
I started a small LLC with a good friend of mine about 2 years ago.
... most of our steady revenue came from not-for-profits, and it was the time of year when they had to preserve what remained of their budgets... we got slightly stressed. The business account slowly dwindled, and we paid our selves less and less each week. I expected times like that, I was fine... but my partner/best friend of years and years didn't take it quite so well.
At first things went slowly. We finally made the transition from working full time at another job and part time at our own to part-time at one and part-time at another.
Then we made the jump and quit the 'backup plan'...
Things went well for the first few months, ~$75,000 in sales, lots of random wire jobs, a couple deployments...we were wracking up quite the numbers in the business account.
Then we hit a very long slump of 'no work'
He then picked up a full time job, assuming we'd never work again.
A day after he starts at his new job I get a call with a job offer for us. a 1 month contract for XP upgrades/deployments.
Murphy's Law in action...
That slight spike in our business made him quit his new job, we complete the contract and were okay for a couple months. Then we hit another lull, which I planned for. He claims to have had another job...
It ends up he was taking calls from customers, doing all the work himself and keeping all of the proceeds accordingly. When confonted on the issue he claimed that he had to because splitting the profits wasn't paying him enough to keep his head above water financially.
This was enough to ask him to have our articles of incorperation and tax license rewritten, excluding me.
And this was a very close friend of a very long time. I now refuse to ever deal with him in any circumstance now.
My main point being that certain people under financial or mental duress panic. I would have preferred to have never found this out and kept a friend. Like a previous poster has already said "You can't really eliminate a reletive from your life so easily."
Tread carefully. I have seen it work out before, I have also worked with a handful of relatives before. The accusations of nepotism were rampant. And if you think inter-office politics are scummy now, just try it when it involves girlfriends, friends, and/or relatives.
Jusy my $0.02 Take with an appropriate amount of salt.
Oh shit, my ex-girlfriend is going to become a computer?
.... this only goes to prove it.
She did always tell me she was the real ultimate power
While I know that this is more of a compositing program--at least from what I read so far...as I have shamefully not RTFA--I'm going to take this opportunity to bitch about the one thing that has been keeping me from making the switch to Linux for all these years:
Audio Apps
I'm no industry elitist that demands ProTools. in fact, I hate protools. The interface leaves much to be desires...granted, i'll buffer that (admittedly harsh) opinion: I'm a huge fan of CoolEditPro.....("eww, PC audio"...I can hear it already),
The underlying audio subsystems are a far cry from what windows offers. And what I experienced with in my limiting dealings with aRTS leaves much to be desired. (Think: latency) And I'm sure that has a lot to do with it....(why hasn't ASIO or an equiv been implemented yet?)
Aside from that all I ask for is a simple audio production suite where i can record something, and then playback and record something else. Simple full-duplex operation. I've been doing it in Windows for over 7 years now.....hell, I did it in DOS with my GUS 11 years ago.
Toss in a little simple single-track editing, some simple effects (Chorus/Flange, Dynamics processing, simple verb and delay, etc) and maintain development of the project and you've won yourself a full-fledged permenent windows convert.....and i'm willing to bet I'm not the only one.
Am I just out of touch? Is there already software out there that does this?
~Dan
Wow, your priorities are way out of whack...
I'm really asking to be modded down with this, but but, what the hell are you talking about?
PSTN is not available to the non-tech-savy people!!???
Umm, that's just about the only phone service I know of available to the "non-electronically-savy" people which you speak of.
In light of this all of your other "points" are absolutely moot. Sorry to come off like an ass, but, do you have any idea what the PSTN is?
~Dan
Guess there's nothing to say.
Apple's format is picked because of the quality, not because Apple is leveraging a monopoly.
'Cuz there are some times when 'just good enough' is way more than you need.
PCMCIA must really freak you out then.
I have a feeling that developers of many DRM schemes dread, and would rather avoid, such independent review of their systems.
I whole heartedly agree with you. The ironic part seems to be that this could only strengthen security...and if nothing else, development and testing time.(ie: OSS, et al)
While most of us here fully understand that DRM's primary purpose is to create a lock on content (distribution and--the part that affects me personally--creation. Think: 'DRM watermark' and having to pay for DRM-watermark certification...per client/license even, maybe)
The simple fact that consumer grade equipment, a little software and a little know how can create some extremely professional results (in audio, video, 3D/animation) seems to play a big part in it.
The bigger part must be the ease of distribution you are granted when 'going digital.'
Think about it - For little more than the price I already paid for my recording equipment, my internet connection and hosting service (and of course the time involved) I can have a professional quality album on hundreds of sites to thousands of users around the world in minutes.
I can do all of this without the aid of the RIAA, major labels, payola for radio support, or even 'knowing somebody'.....
The 'equal playing field' this provides means my music downloaded from any random site is being judged on one factor, and one factor alone: Quality.
They hate that.