Java is closer to WORA than any other platform is or has been. Including.Not . If you are careful, a good developer can write portable enterprise-level code, and if non-portable code isolated properly with good documentation, and IF there is clear separation of tiers / responsibilities, portability can be and is possible. With a small effort.
J2EE is specced clearly to allow your apps to be portable, but in reality some proprietary glue is necessary. If, however, a designer is not careful, then he/she may just get locked in to a vendor. But is that Java's fault??? I don't think so pal.
If, however, the ultimate goal for any project is total WORA, then you're crippling yourself with unreasonable and unnnecessary demands. But to criticise (and you sound like you've never been anywhere near a production quality J2EE project) comments like yours are simple ignorance.
Bucko.
I don't see how you interpret this as a squabble. (apart from fuelling the/. fire). It seems to me Sun is extending the olive branch here. They have no obligation to to do so, but having Sun involved in some way can only help to unite.
...They found the OS very solid as a server but pretty lacking as a desktop. The author finds Linux very fast overall, easy to configure and that it feels integrated and mature. On the other hand, it has limited modern hardware support, small annoyances at places...
You can't "enforce" clean code as much as you can't enforce clean design, or enforce a bad programmer to be a good one. Just as much as you can't enforce the way people speak English.
But convention and guidelines are important, and if you are to become a reasonably abled Java programmer, avoiding these conventions will simply make it harder on you, not easier. Which is what the original yet naive (flamebait) post was all about. I say flambait because discussing it is futile. It isnt going to change, no matter what any script kiddie who can't get his HellWorld applet to compile says.
Will it also help you to forget the time that was wasted on/.? I have a new JSP custom tag just for this kind of thing, usage:
<jsp:wipe-memory year="2003" event="iraq war" >WMD</jsp:wipe-memory>
I predict these operations will be XML delivered to our brains, once we all have xerces implanted.
"If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison... And thousands of American troops, aid workers, and innocent civilians would still be alive"
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Java is closer to WORA than any other platform is or has been. Including .Not . If you are careful, a good developer can write portable enterprise-level code, and if non-portable code isolated properly with good documentation, and IF there is clear separation of tiers / responsibilities, portability can be and is possible. With a small effort.
J2EE is specced clearly to allow your apps to be portable, but in reality some proprietary glue is necessary. If, however, a designer is not careful, then he/she may just get locked in to a vendor. But is that Java's fault??? I don't think so pal.
If, however, the ultimate goal for any project is total WORA, then you're crippling yourself with unreasonable and unnnecessary demands. But to criticise (and you sound like you've never been anywhere near a production quality J2EE project) comments like yours are simple ignorance.
Bucko.
I don't see how you interpret this as a squabble. (apart from fuelling the /. fire). It seems to me Sun is extending the olive branch here. They have no obligation to to do so, but having Sun involved in some way can only help to unite.
Java workers of the world unite!
Now we can all get some sleep.
Independant studies show: Microsoft is dying.
I did it.
...They found the OS very solid as a server but pretty lacking as a desktop. The author finds Linux very fast overall, easy to configure and that it feels integrated and mature. On the other hand, it has limited modern hardware support, small annoyances at places...
So what, I give in proportion of my income and assets just as he does, yet I can afford it less. Boo hoo for Billy boy.
I think youre all a bunch of farking gormless geeks. TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK IN THE MIRROR
org.foo.Bar.bleh must be in org/foo/Bar
this is perfectly possible. The class Bar has a member bleh, it resides in package org/foo
org.foo.bar.Bleh must be in org/foo/bar
this also is fine. The class Bleh resides in package org/foo/bar
You can't "enforce" clean code as much as you can't enforce clean design, or enforce a bad programmer to be a good one. Just as much as you can't enforce the way people speak English.
But convention and guidelines are important, and if you are to become a reasonably abled Java programmer, avoiding these conventions will simply make it harder on you, not easier. Which is what the original yet naive (flamebait) post was all about. I say flambait because discussing it is futile. It isnt going to change, no matter what any script kiddie who can't get his HellWorld applet to compile says.
If this is your only gripe then stick to stupid web tricks with Javascript.
great, thanks for letting us know how little you know.
The phoenetic similarity may not be evident to someone that doesn't speak english natively...
Which means all Americans?
He is marketing himself as a Web Developer, you twat. Get your facts right before opening your mouth.
YOu wouldn't want to let a fart rip in that house either, it just would never dissipate.
But a software license is NOT like the government. So, you're basing your choice of OS on an fictitious anaology? Good for you.
No. It just plain sux.
Monkeyboy balmer looks just like Major Charles Winchestor the Third. "Gentleme-e-e-e-n". "Develope-e-e-rs".
Will it also help you to forget the time that was wasted on /.?
I have a new JSP custom tag just for this kind of thing, usage:
<jsp:wipe-memory year="2003" event="iraq war" >WMD</jsp:wipe-memory>
I predict these operations will be XML delivered to our brains, once we all have xerces implanted.
I thought they called that project-thumb-screws?
"If Howard Dean had his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison... And thousands of American troops, aid workers, and innocent civilians would still be alive"
DOH!
Does this mean the FIRE-WALL will be called the GREAT-FIRE-WALL?